Re: Stus-List Butyl tape question

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Barbara,

 

I used butyl on my hand rails and it worked out well.  No leaks after five 
years.  The butyl did ooze out a little, but I can trim it off with a putty 
knife.  I bought some newer, more dense butyl that shouldn’t have that problem 
when I do future projects.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Barbara 
Hickson Fellers via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 22:01
To: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Barbara Hickson Fellers 
Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape question

 

   Great to see new 33 owners. They are great sailing boats. And the Atomic 4 
is a great engine and fun to learn on. Speaking of adhesives vs. sealants, I've 
been wanting to try butyl tape. The recent floods have uncovered leaks inside 
from both handrails.  Can I use butyl tape to rebed?

 My big winter project is to fix the many small gel coat rubs, fill holes and 
put new non skid on. Finally will be getting self tailing primaries. Will also 
get the toerail stanchion bases so the old holes will have to be filled. I'm 
unsure if it's better for the boat for the deck to get a coat of gel coat 
sprayed on or each area done individually. I know what a yard would say. $ 😳. 
This is why I'd like to try butyl in case I have to rebed everything on deck. 
(And is removing everything necessary if the deck gets sprayed?? I've always 
heard if it's not leaking don't take it off. )

I leave my settee insert in the quarter earth as well frame side up against the 
inside hull. 


Thanks and welcome to our new C&C owners!  


Barbara L. Hickson

'76 C&C 33-1 "Flight Risk"

Charleston SC - a very wet place

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape question

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Barbara,

 

Check out: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/rebedding_hardware for an article 
on rebedding deck hardware with butyl tape.  I found this about five years ago 
and bought several rolls of tape (see ordering instructions on last page).  My 
boat had many “roof” leaks and this worked out great.  I’ve used it for genoa & 
baby stay tracks and a deck hatch.  No leaks!  It worked for rebedding the 
holding tank access port.  No smells!

 

Thanks,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

From: Barbara Hickson Fellers [mailto:blhick...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape question

 

   Great to see new 33 owners. They are great sailing boats. And the Atomic 4 
is a great engine and fun to learn on. Speaking of adhesives vs. sealants, I've 
been wanting to try butyl tape. The recent floods have uncovered leaks inside 
from both handrails.  Can I use butyl tape to rebed?

 My big winter project is to fix the many small gel coat rubs, fill holes and 
put new non skid on. Finally will be getting self tailing primaries. Will also 
get the toerail stanchion bases so the old holes will have to be filled. I'm 
unsure if it's better for the boat for the deck to get a coat of gel coat 
sprayed on or each area done individually. I know what a yard would say. $ 😳. 
This is why I'd like to try butyl in case I have to rebed everything on deck. 
(And is removing everything necessary if the deck gets sprayed?? I've always 
heard if it's not leaking don't take it off. )

I leave my settee insert in the quarter earth as well frame side up against the 
inside hull. 


Thanks and welcome to our new C&C owners!  


Barbara L. Hickson

'76 C&C 33-1 "Flight Risk"

Charleston SC - a very wet place

 



Barbara L. Hickson 

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Re: Stus-List New Sails TODAY!!!

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Tom

I am envious!  My tape drive 150 is likely 12 years old and predates me by two 
previous owners.  It still has a nice shape although is starting to get 
brittle.  I can only imagine how nice it was when new.

You will love what new sails do to your boat

Mike
Persistence
Halifax


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Buscaglia via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 2:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List New Sails TODAY!!!

I'm so excited.  Stuart Dahlgren, from UK Sails NW, is driving down to Vashon 
from Sidney to deliver and fit my new Tape Drive Mail and Genoa.  He shipped 
them from Sidney to Blaine, to avoid BC tax and duty, clever man!

We stopped into his loft last summer on our way to the C&C Rendezvous to get a 
genoa repaid and left with an order for both sails.  A nice discount and the 
incredibly advantageous exchange rate closed the deal for us.  The free 
delivery was a bonus!

I'm torn about the wind...do I want light air to ease the installation or a 
nice breeze to test em out?

Either way, Ill try to get some pics to share.

Tom B


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com

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Re: Stus-List Headliner

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Jeff, I'de love to see pictures of your 32 with changed panels. I've been
considering this job.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Jeff Allston via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> On my 32, I stripped the material from the four removable panels and
> applied teak veneer. It made a huge improvement in the interior looks.
>
> Jeff
> C&C 32 Full Deck
> Victoria, BC
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Headliner

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

I had to replace a couple of ruined panels, and used foam PVC.  It's 
very light weight.  Here's a link to the project:




Wal

--
s/v Stella Blue
www.wbryant.com


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Stus-List Not What I Ordered - was New Sails TODAY!!!

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Stuart Dahlgren from UK Sails NW showed up with my new sails 
yesterday.  But they were NOT what I ordered!


I ordered the UK Tape Drive with the Glass Fiber tapes.  Well it 
turns out that when they were engineering the sails it was determined 
that the load levels would be near the upper edge of the Glass 
Fibers.  So, Stuart took it upon himself to upgrade the sails to the 
Carbon Fiber tapes at no extra charge.  It was a pleasant surprise 
when I peeked in the bags.  Definitely not what I ordered, but I am 
not complaining.


Stuart Dahlgren took the time to hand deliver them and handled the 
installation, including making sure that the mainsail was all good 
for our Schaefer in-boom furling.  He trimmed the battens as well for 
a perfect fit.  Then he hung out at our club to BS with a few 
sailors.  Since it was too late for him to drive home to Sidney, we 
invited him to stay over for dinner and an evening of Scotch and 
sailing talk.  Then a quick breakfast this morning before taking off today.


I cannot recommend this guy enough.  www.UKSails.ca if anyone is interested.

And if you want to check out the sails, there are some good pics here 
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/37365243@N00/


I cannot wait to take them out for a spinwoohoo!

Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List Not What I Ordered - was New Sails TODAY!!!

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Wow!  They look amazing!  Don't spend all day staring at the sails!

Joel
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Re: Stus-List Not What I Ordered - was New Sails TODAY!!!

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Gorgeous! Love the black tapes on white cloth. Very classy. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Tom Buscaglia"  
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 1:51:13 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Not What I Ordered - was New Sails TODAY!!! 

Stuart Dahlgren from UK Sails NW showed up with my new sails yesterday. But 
they were NOT what I ordered! 

I ordered the UK Tape Drive with the Glass Fiber tapes. Well it turns out that 
when they were engineering the sails it was determined that the load levels 
would be near the upper edge of the Glass Fibers. So, Stuart took it upon 
himself to upgrade the sails to the Carbon Fiber tapes at no extra charge. It 
was a pleasant surprise when I peeked in the bags. Definitely not what I 
ordered, but I am not complaining. 

Stuart Dahlgren took the time to hand deliver them and handled the 
installation, including making sure that the mainsail was all good for our 
Schaefer in-boom furling. He trimmed the battens as well for a perfect fit. 
Then he hung out at our club to BS with a few sailors. Since it was too late 
for him to drive home to Sidney, we invited him to stay over for dinner and an 
evening of Scotch and sailing talk. Then a quick breakfast this morning before 
taking off today. 

I cannot recommend this guy enough. www.UKSails.ca if anyone is interested. 

And if you want to check out the sails, there are some good pics here - 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37365243@N00/ 

I cannot wait to take them out for a spinwoohoo! 

Tom B 


Tom Buscaglia 
SV Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40 
Vashon Island WA 
(206) 463-9200 
www.sv-alera.com 


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Stus-List Scope of work (formerly Replacing Windows)

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Martin and Russ,

I wanted to circle back to your comments, in particular the limitations that 
many listers may have when replacing or repairing the fixed ports. 

I agree with Martin that my tool recommendations may not be suitable for those 
who do not need nor want a complete deck redo. I sort of recognized that 
dynamic when I was putting the blog post together but I was moving fast.

I’m fortunate that I have the means, time and location to achieve my goals. I 
think I’m making up for all those years when I raced my (other) boat while 
living in a small condo. I didn’t have the tools or space to store them so like 
many listers, I had to sort of make do either in a slip or in the short time 
period that the boat was hauled prior to race season in the Spring. I know how 
frustrating that can be. Being able to approach this rebuild from a 
professional perspective makes things easier.

Still, with some patience and the smaller tools I think the job can be done 
fairly neatly with good results by most.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:51 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin& Dave,
> 
> I've been involved with 4 in-the-water boat deck restorations here in an area 
> just north of the PNW, (around Lat 49' 10 - 30" N.) 
> 
> Since winter is a good time for in-the-water boat work in our area, all were 
> covered with a 2x4 & 1x4 framework peaked over the boom and covered in 
> plastic (poly or trap) down to the toe-rail.   All marinas have a "no 
> sanding" policy but not one of us suffered a complaint, maybe due to the 
> containment, lack of traffic at this time of year and good vacuum practices.  
> Or perhaps because we are all, just good fellows. I like to believe the 
> latter. :)
> 
> As you might imagine, these enclosures are very pleasant to work in during 
> our typical winter. 
> 
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1, B.C. South Coast
> 
> 
> At 06:25 PM 11/11/2015, you wrote:
> 
>> >…>>  quick post in my blog showing the tools…>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Dave,
>>  
>> I took a look at your new blog post detailing the tools you have used on the 
>> window frame clean up.  Nice write up, thanks.
>>  
>> I am jealous about your having access to compressed air and working where 
>> you can use it.  Where Calypso is moored there are restrictions on what work 
>> can be done in a slip.  I am already dancing down the line with electric 
>> sanding/grinding equipment and I am sure running a compressor and air tools 
>> would get me kicked out.
>>  
>> I believe many of the cnc-listers that are facing a DIY window or other deck 
>> repair/replacement project need to limit the mess, repainting, or do not 
>> have the experience and confidence to perform “body and fender” type 
>> work on the shiny parts of a boat.  I recall the day when Calypso’s 
>> co-owner and I finally faced up to the amount of repair Calypso’s deck 
>> needed and accepted a full repaint would be needed.  Once freed from the 
>> need to limit shiny paint damage we got out the big boy grinding and sanding 
>> equipment which greatly sped up the early phases of the repairs.
>>  
>> This month marked to point where way more hand sanding is needed with the 
>> resulting wear and tear on the arms and wrists (as you mention in your blog 
>> post).  I have been using hand sanding blocks and foam shapes (purchased 
>> from auto body repair equip sources) to improve the hand sanding ergonomics 
>> especially around the many corners and rounded shapes of a C&C.  The sticky 
>> back sand paper option increased efficiency over the old school paper 
>> clamps.  I have had good luck sourcing abrasives through several web sites 
>> including Industrial Abrasives.
>>  
>> Martin DeYoung
>> Calypso
>> 1971 C&C 43
>> Seattle
>> 

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Re: Stus-List Not What I Ordered - was New Sails TODAY!!!

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Tom,

Thanks for the pics of your new sails.  Now I miss the nekked pics in the new 
format Playboy mags a little less.

Congrats on the upgrade to carbon fiber tapes.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom 
Buscaglia via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:51 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List Not What I Ordered - was New Sails TODAY!!!

Stuart Dahlgren from UK Sails NW showed up with my new sails yesterday.  But 
they were NOT what I ordered!

I ordered the UK Tape Drive with the Glass Fiber tapes.  Well it turns out that 
when they were engineering the sails it was determined that the load levels 
would be near the upper edge of the Glass Fibers.  So, Stuart took it upon 
himself to upgrade the sails to the Carbon Fiber tapes at no extra charge.  It 
was a pleasant surprise when I peeked in the bags.  Definitely not what I 
ordered, but I am not complaining.

Stuart Dahlgren took the time to hand deliver them and handled the 
installation, including making sure that the mainsail was all good for our 
Schaefer in-boom furling.  He trimmed the battens as well for a perfect fit.  
Then he hung out at our club to BS with a few sailors.  Since it was too late 
for him to drive home to Sidney, we invited him to stay over for dinner and an 
evening of Scotch and sailing talk.  Then a quick breakfast this morning before 
taking off today.

I cannot recommend this guy enough.  www.UKSails.ca if 
anyone is interested.

And if you want to check out the sails, there are some good pics here - 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37365243@N00/

I cannot wait to take them out for a spinwoohoo!

Tom B


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com

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Re: Stus-List Not What I Ordered - was New Sails TODAY!!!

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Wow Tom!  I'm so happy for you!  Congratulations!  That's a really great tale!

DannyOn Nov 12, 2015 6:40 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
 wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
>  
>
> Thanks for the pics of your new sails.  Now I miss the nekked pics in the new 
> format Playboy mags a little less.
>
>  
>
> Congrats on the upgrade to carbon fiber tapes.
>
>  
>
> Martin DeYoung
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
>  
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom 
> Buscaglia via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:51 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Tom Buscaglia
> Subject: Stus-List Not What I Ordered - was New Sails TODAY!!!
>
>  
>
> Stuart Dahlgren from UK Sails NW showed up with my new sails yesterday.  But 
> they were NOT what I ordered!
>
> I ordered the UK Tape Drive with the Glass Fiber tapes.  Well it turns out 
> that when they were engineering the sails it was determined that the load 
> levels would be near the upper edge of the Glass Fibers.  So, Stuart took it 
> upon himself to upgrade the sails to the Carbon Fiber tapes at no extra 
> charge.  It was a pleasant surprise when I peeked in the bags.  Definitely 
> not what I ordered, but I am not complaining.
>
> Stuart Dahlgren took the time to hand deliver them and handled the 
> installation, including making sure that the mainsail was all good for our 
> Schaefer in-boom furling.  He trimmed the battens as well for a perfect fit.  
> Then he hung out at our club to BS with a few sailors.  Since it was too late 
> for him to drive home to Sidney, we invited him to stay over for dinner and 
> an evening of Scotch and sailing talk.  Then a quick breakfast this morning 
> before taking off today.
>
> I cannot recommend this guy enough.  www.UKSails.ca if anyone is interested.
>
> And if you want to check out the sails, there are some good pics here - 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37365243@N00/
>
> I cannot wait to take them out for a spinwoohoo!
>
> Tom B
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List Scope of work (formerly Replacing Windows)

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Dave,

“Scope of Work” is an apt name for what I was attempting to describe.

Fortunately for Calypso I enjoy working on a boat *almost* as much as sailing.  
Also, the way Calypso was built is conducive to DIY projects.  There is no 
headliner, most of the interior is painted white, and the basic nature of a 
70’s race interior give great access to the likely trouble spots.  The interior 
is “stick built” meaning there is no pan liner.  All the bulkheads, sole 
supports, and furniture are painted wood allowing for easy modifications or 
repairs.

Looking back I now wish we had rented a shed and moved the boat inland to allow 
more industrial equipment use along the use of spray paint guns.  I’m not sure 
we would have dropped the keel but it would have been a close call.  Having the 
mast out would have greatly simplified the repairs to the mast collar area.

Calypso’s co-owner and I have been intentionally vague with our wives about a 
finish date (and project cost) but we are hoping for a late 2016 return to 
sailing. (That sound you hear is me knocking on wood.)

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Godwin
Subject: Stus-List Scope of work (formerly Replacing Windows)

Martin and Russ,

I wanted to circle back to your comments, in particular the limitations that 
many listers may have when replacing or repairing the fixed ports.

I agree with Martin that my tool recommendations may not be suitable for those 
who do not need nor want a complete deck redo. I sort of recognized that 
dynamic when I was putting the blog post together but I was moving fast.

I’m fortunate that I have the means, time and location to achieve my goals. I 
think I’m making up for all those years when I raced my (other) boat while 
living in a small condo. I didn’t have the tools or space to store them so like 
many listers, I had to sort of make do either in a slip or in the short time 
period that the boat was hauled prior to race season in the Spring. I know how 
frustrating that can be. Being able to approach this rebuild from a 
professional perspective makes things easier.

Still, with some patience and the smaller tools I think the job can be done 
fairly neatly with good results by most.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit
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