Re: Stus-List Polyglow Removal

[Joseph Bognar via CnC-List]

Any household ammonia diluted will strip the Polyglow. I highly recommend Aqua 
Buff 1000 and 2000 to buff your hull . A good carnuba wax after is all that you 
need . The Aquabuff and a high speed buffer with a wool pad and lots of water 
will restore the most oxidized gelcoat that you have . Where is your boat ? I 
could show you how to apply it. I have converted most of the boats in my 
harbour to Aqua buff 

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:47 PM, johnr via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Would appreciate any tips, comments re removal of Polyglow from a boat with 
> many years of build up.  Want to replace with wax.  Suggestions there are 
> also welcome.
> 
> John McLaughlin
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Re: Stus-List C&C 33 mkii mast step

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Keep it dry or cut it out.

Joel

On Thursday, October 1, 2015, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Dave
>
> I'll ask my friend how it was done on his boatIt was back in 1991 and
> I simply don't remember.  He had another issue he didn't know about when he
> bought the boat.the boat had a hard grounding and the hull had a 'horse
> shoe shaped' crack in front of the keel.He hired a contractor to do
> that repair and maybe it was the contractor that removed the contaminated
> foam..he may have had to cut it outI am reasonably sure the void
> was filled with resin.
>
> I'll ask and get back to you.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2015-10-01 9:48 PM, Dave via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input gentlemen.  I would welcome any more insight and look
> forward to Doug's 35iii photos, off-list as well.
>
> I will add to the discussion the following excerpt from an email reply
> from nick at Bristol marine, in response to my request for an estimate on
> re-bedding the keel and filling the smile:
> >snip
>
>  However, based on our long experience repairing C&C's, in particular the
> 33 Mk II, 35 Mk III, & the 41, all of which have the ballast attached to
> the hull at the end of a very deep keel sump, there may be more serious
> structural issues involved, particularly if the boat has been aground at
> any point in its life. The key indicator of more serious issues are
> exterior stress cracks (sometimes obvious, sometimes subtle) at the
> radius where the fin meets the hull, particularly at the leading & trailing
> edges. Other signs of trouble are cracks or delamination where the interior
> structural grid meets the keel sump, delaminated tabbing at the bottom of
> the main bulkhead port & stb, or signs that the mast step is sagging.
>
>  If in doubt, have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look
> at the boat. i.e. Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 416-809-2186;
> or Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845
> >snip
>
>   I also spent some more time learning how to search past posts and picked
> up a little more info, though one question not answered was:  How do you
> get the foul smelling, deteriorating foam out of the crossmember?
>
> Looking forward to getting mine further apart and - if nothing else-
> reinforcing this potentially weak area.
>
>
> Dave.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List Polyglow Removal

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Second Aquabuff.  Good stuff.  I use it to polish out gelcoat repairs.  The
2000 is a polish.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Joseph Bognar via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Any household ammonia diluted will strip the Polyglow. I highly recommend
> Aqua Buff 1000 and 2000 to buff your hull . A good carnuba wax after is all
> that you need . The Aquabuff and a high speed buffer with a wool pad and
> lots of water will restore the most oxidized gelcoat that you have . Where
> is your boat ? I could show you how to apply it. I have converted most of
> the boats in my harbour to Aqua buff
>
> Sent from Joe Bognar
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:47 PM, johnr via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Would appreciate any tips, comments re removal of Polyglow from a boat
> with many years of build up.  Want to replace with wax.  Suggestions there
> are also welcome.
>
> John McLaughlin
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 33 mkii mast step revisited

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

Nick did the work on my 33 mkii.  The PO had a hard grounding and that's really 
where the mast step becomes a problem.  Sooner or later most of us seem to run 
aground, so i'd recommend the step re-inforcement.

Mike
Atacama 33 mkii 
Toronto
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Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.

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Stus-List IPad Question...

[David via CnC-List]

OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting 
software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS 
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

David, was this a wifi only iPad?  Otherwise, there is a GPS built in to
the cellular chip that will function even without a cell contract.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting
> software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.
>
> Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS
> dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product
> BS?
>
> (sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)
>
> Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?
>
> Thank in advance!
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
many others.   Jerry - J&J



 

 
 
 
 

 

 
 
 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 

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-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:37 am
Subject: Stus-List IPad Question...



OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting 
software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS 
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
  


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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics
for $10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You
> can plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal
> anywhere on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and
> other software.   You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and
> receive it on the Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other
> software.   This is the future of onboard navigation.   Here are some
> transmitters though there are many others.   Jerry - J&J
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

GPS built into phones and pads is limited and depends on cellular service being 
available.  Moreover, reception below decks is poor to non-existent.   Also, 
with wifi you can transmit AIS and any other NMEA info such as wind speed, 
depth, and even radar.It's a different ballgame entirely.   You can even 
receive on multiple Pads and from anywhere on the boat.   Your Ipad or Android 
becomes a complete navigation system using an app such as INavx and is 
available anywhere on the boat.  Of course, you must have nmea sensors to plug 
into the wifi router.   Jerry J&J
 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 11:17 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...



or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for 
$10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.


Dennis C.



On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
many others.   Jerry - J&J



 

 
 
 
 

 

 
 
 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 

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  List Price: $833.92   
 
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-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:37 am
Subject: Stus-List IPad Question...



OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting 
software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS 
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
  



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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My iPhone does not need cell service for the GPS to work.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome 
Tauber via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

GPS built into phones and pads is limited and depends on cellular service being 
available.  Moreover, reception below decks is poor to non-existent.   Also, 
with wifi you can transmit AIS and any other NMEA info such as wind speed, 
depth, and even radar.It's a different ballgame entirely.   You can even 
receive on multiple Pads and from anywhere on the boat.   Your Ipad or Android 
becomes a complete navigation system using an app such as INavx and is 
available anywhere on the boat.  Of course, you must have nmea sensors to plug 
into the wifi router.   Jerry J&J



-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 11:17 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for 
$10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.
Dennis C.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
many others.   Jerry - J&J











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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[George Cone via CnC-List]

Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in GPS and 
do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.

Thanks,

George

C&C 40

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for 
$10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.

Dennis C.

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
many others.   Jerry - J&J


 




 

 


 



 


 

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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Joe,

That's right, but iPads need to be cellular enabled to get GPS info because
they use the cellular antenna.  WiFi only does not do the job.

Joel

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My iPhone does not need cell service for the GPS to work.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerome
> Tauber via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 11:27 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Jerome Tauber
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
>
>
>
> GPS built into phones and pads is limited and depends on cellular service
> being available.  Moreover, reception below decks is poor to non-existent.
>   Also, with wifi you can transmit AIS and any other NMEA info such as wind
> speed, depth, and even radar.It's a different ballgame entirely.   You
> can even receive on multiple Pads and from anywhere on the boat.   Your
> Ipad or Android becomes a complete navigation system using an app such as
> INavx and is available anywhere on the boat.  Of course, you must have nmea
> sensors to plug into the wifi router.   Jerry J&J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> To: CnClist 
> Cc: Dennis C. 
> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 11:17 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
>
> or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics
> for $10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You
> can plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal
> anywhere on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and
> other software.   You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and
> receive it on the Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other
> software.   This is the future of onboard navigation.   Here are some
> transmitters though there are many others.   Jerry - J&J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Digital Yacht NavLink NMEA 200 Wireless Data Server]
> 
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>
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need cell 
service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation for 
position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if you are 
below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from the internet.

MotionX-GPS

Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?

The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which uses 
cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular coverage 
is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition will be much 
quicker if you have data coverage. 
Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a signal. 
This is simply because it takes longer to determine which satellites to use out 
of the 31 available around the world. With data services, it typically takes 
under a minute, but it can take up to 5 minutes. 



How the iPhone knows where you are  




By Glenn Fleishman, Macworld



iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS might almost seem baffling:

Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to 
several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using 
Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I am?

Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy 
process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In simplifying 
matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all works and what 
it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone towers fit into the 
equation.

12.5 minutes to locate

Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock; later 
locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a GPS receiver 
off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles, a cold start 
might be required again.

GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for where 
you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise time signals 
using a built-in atomic clock along with their current location. They also 
broadcast the location of all other satellites in the sky, called the almanac.

Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current location 
and some less precise location information for other GPS satellites. It takes 
25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain the full list of 
satellite locations. This information has to be decoded for a receiver to then 
properly interpret signals from the satellites that are within range.

If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each sent 
their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can calculate to 
within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of your current 
location along with the exact current time. With three satellites, you lose 
elevation, but a device can still track movement fairly accurately. Standalone 
GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, and track more 
than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.

But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that location 
faster!
 

Giving GPS an assist

So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the wait, 
called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of position 
data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately enough to 
figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which point even more 
up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be downloaded via a 
network connection in seconds or even calculated right on a device.

The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current time, 
fragmentary satellite data can be decoded to gain a faster lock or figure out 
the appropriate information to use. In CDMA networks, such as that used by 
Verizon, GPS-synchronized atomic time is required for the network’s basic 
operations, making it a simple matter to have such information available. (In 
fact, CDMA cell towers have GPS units built in to maintain better atomic time 
synchronization.

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[David via CnC-List]

Now that is a viable solution... Does one obtain a "vanilla" Android tablet 
from E-Bay or ?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:34:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: gc...@alpinesy.com

Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in GPS and 
do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.Thanks,GeorgeC&C 40 From: 
CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question... or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab 
with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for $10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.Dennis C. On 
Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:I have been looking into this and there is an 
excellent solution.   You can plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and 
receive the signal anywhere on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible 
with INavx and other software.   You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS 
receiver and receive it on the Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or 
other software.   This is the future of onboard navigation.   Here are some 
transmitters though there are many others.   Jerry - J&J  Digital Yacht 
NavLink NMEA 200 Wireless Data Server by Digital Yacht  List Price: $833.92 
Price: $495.77 You Save: $338.15 (41%) Ships from and sold by OJ Commerce.  
 Digital Yacht NMEA to Wireless Wi-Fi Adapter - 4800 Baud by Digital Yacht  
List Price: $458.92 Price: $280.37 You Save: $178.55 (39%) Ships from and sold 
by OJ Commerce.   1 - Digital Yacht iNAVConnect Wireless Wi-Fi Router by 
Digital Yacht  Price: $232.67 Ships from and sold by TheFactoryDepot. 
-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:37 am
Subject: Stus-List IPad Question...OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm 
thinking good for chartplotting software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need 
a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS 
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Jerome,

This limitation is for position *acquisition* only.  I have used iPhone and
iPad outside of cellular range with good speed accuracy and position after
the initial lock.  In comparison, my dedicated Garmin GPS took me going
half a mile down the river in Branford this year before it determined where
it was.

The iPad is a pretty good trade off for standalone chart plotting
capability - to augment a built-in chart plotter, or if you don't have
one.  I really like the wifi extensions to recent plotters, but that
assumes you have one.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need
> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation
> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if
> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from
> the internet.
> MotionX-GPS Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which
> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular
> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition
> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a
> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which
> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data
> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5
> minutes.
>
> How the iPhone knows where you are
> 
> By Glenn Fleishman ,
> Macworld
> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
> Wednesday
> response about location tracking on iOS
> 
> might almost seem baffling:
>
> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up
> to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by
> using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>
> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I
> am?
> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy
> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In
> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all
> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone
> towers fit into the equation.
> 12.5 minutes to locate
> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock;
> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a
> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles,
> a cold start might be required again.
> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for
> where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise
> time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current
> location. They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the
> sky, called the almanac.
> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current
> location and some less precise location information for other GPS
> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain
> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded
> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that
> are within range.
> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each
> sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can
> calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of
> your current location along with the exact current time. With three
> satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement
> fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on
> multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can improve
> accuracy, too.
> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that
> location faster!
> Giving GPS an assist
> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the
> wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of
> position data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately
> enough to figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which
> point even more up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be
> downloaded via a network connection in seconds or even calculated right on
> a device.
> The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current time,
> fragmentary

Stus-List C&C 33 mkii mast step

[robert via CnC-List]

Dave asked: " How do you get the foul smelling, deteriorating foam out 
of the cross member?


I asked my friend what he did with his 33 MKII which had the foul 
smell.he said he had a contractor drill holes into the cavity and 
inject a 3M product (don't know the 3M product name just yet but I will 
ask the contractor when I see him) .it seemed to work..FYI


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-01 9:48 PM, Dave via CnC-List wrote:
Thanks for the input gentlemen.  I would welcome any more insight and 
look forward to Doug's 35iii photos, off-list as well.


I will add to the discussion the following excerpt from an email 
reply from nick at Bristol marine, in response to my request for an 
estimate on re-bedding the keel and filling the smile:

>snip

 However, based on our long experience repairing C&C's, in particular 
the 33 Mk II, 35 Mk III, & the 41, all of which have the ballast 
attached to the hull at the end of a very deep keel sump, there may 
be more serious structural issues involved, particularly if the boat 
has been aground at any point in its life. The key indicator of more 
serious issues are exterior stress cracks (sometimes obvious, 
sometimes subtle) at the radius where the fin meets the hull, 
particularly at the leading & trailing edges. Other signs of trouble 
are cracks or delamination where the interior structural grid meets 
the keel sump, delaminated tabbing at the bottom of the main bulkhead 
port & stb, or signs that the mast step is sagging.


 If in doubt, have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues 
look at the boat. i.e. Bill Provis, 416-801-5527 ; 
Peter McGuire 416-809-2186 ; or Wallace Gouk 
416-526-3845 


>snip

  I also spent some more time learning how to search past posts and 
picked up a little more info, though one question not answered was: 
How do you get the foul smelling, deteriorating foam out of the 
crossmember?


Looking forward to getting mine further apart and - if nothing else- 
reinforcing this potentially weak area.



Dave.



Sent from my iPad


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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Michael Jones via CnC-List]

Are you looking at a GPS to plug in to your iPad or a Bluetooth GPS?
Bluetooth will give you the signal through most of the boat and it's not
tied to Apple technology. Eg Garmin Glo.

Cheers

Mike



On Oct 2, 2015, at 7:37 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting
software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product
BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)

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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I have a GPS that plugs in to USB. If you get an adapter you can have it. I
have an adapter that we can plug in and try to make sure it works when we
next get together for a beer.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting
> software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.
>
> Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS
> dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product
> BS?
>
> (sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)
>
> Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?
>
> Thank in advance!
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
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Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

If you do anything, and things go south you will have a problem assigning 
blame.  If you let them do everything relating to moving the boat; they are 
responsible.

I shipped a C&C from Boston to San Diego.  The damage (minor) was covered by 
the trucking company as they did all the work. (Apart from the fact that my 
time was valuable, moving the household too.)

Leslie.

On Thu, 10/1/15, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
 Cc: "Stevan Plavsa" 
 Date: Thursday, October 1, 2015, 6:51 AM
 
 Hi All,
 Suhana is moving!I'm loading her
 on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to
 Lake Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the
 Thousand Islands two years in a row and really want to get
 up to the North Channel. 
 I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have
 some tips to share? I'm bringing her to a marina with a
 travel lift. They are taking the mast down and hauling. The
 trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded
 cradle. From there they're driving up to Midland to Bay
 Moorings Marina where their travel lift will bring her down
 and onto the cradle. The trucking co told me to keep my
 cradle pads in the locker so that they can get at them when
 they are there, but aside from that, no other tips. I'm
 sure there are things I'm not considering! Anyone have
 any recommendations or things to consider when trucking a
 boat? Mast lays down alongside the boat on their trailer,
 not on deck. I'm thinking about removing my stanchions
 and lifelines just because. 
 Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland?
 That's where we'll be landing. Would be nice to know
 if any other listers are around. Would be great to have a
 brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the
 area.
 Cheers,Steve
 Suhana, C&C 32Toronto
 
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[David via CnC-List]

Anybody wanna trade a 64GB IPad for a Vanilla Android with GPS...

😉

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:03:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: davidrisc...@msn.com




Now that is a viable solution... Does one obtain a "vanilla" Android tablet 
from E-Bay or ?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:34:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: gc...@alpinesy.com

Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in GPS and 
do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.Thanks,GeorgeC&C 40 From: 
CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question... or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab 
with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for $10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.Dennis C. On 
Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:I have been looking into this and there is an 
excellent solution.   You can plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and 
receive the signal anywhere on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible 
with INavx and other software.   You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS 
receiver and receive it on the Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or 
other software.   This is the future of onboard navigation.   Here are some 
transmitters though there are many others.   Jerry - J&J  Digital Yacht 
NavLink NMEA 200 Wireless Data Server by Digital Yacht  List Price: $833.92 
Price: $495.77 You Save: $338.15 (41%) Ships from and sold by OJ Commerce.  
 Digital Yacht NMEA to Wireless Wi-Fi Adapter - 4800 Baud by Digital Yacht  
List Price: $458.92 Price: $280.37 You Save: $178.55 (39%) Ships from and sold 
by OJ Commerce.   1 - Digital Yacht iNAVConnect Wireless Wi-Fi Router by 
Digital Yacht  Price: $232.67 Ships from and sold by TheFactoryDepot. 
-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:37 am
Subject: Stus-List IPad Question...OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm 
thinking good for chartplotting software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need 
a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS 
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

try https://www.gazelle.com/

Joel

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:11 PM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Anybody wanna trade a 64GB IPad for a Vanilla Android with GPS...
>
> [image: Emoji]
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:03:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: davidrisc...@msn.com
>
>
> Now that is a viable solution... Does one obtain a "vanilla" Android
> tablet from E-Bay or ?
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:34:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: gc...@alpinesy.com
>
> Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in
> GPS and do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George
>
> C&C 40
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
> *To:* CnClist
> *Cc:* Dennis C.
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
>
>
>
> or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics
> for $10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You
> can plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal
> anywhere on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and
> other software.   You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and
> receive it on the Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other
> software.   This is the future of onboard navigation.   Here are some
> transmitters though there are many others.   Jerry - J&J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

Or just try Walmart/Radio Shack/Best Buy - anything from $50 to $250 
depending on how fancy you want and how big you want the screen.


I have an Acer Android tablet that I bought at Costco - maybe $100 cdn 
for 7" screen - has GPS (but no cell acess).  Works great.  Able to buy 
Navionics through the Google Play store for $15 and then I can load it 
up onto my other tablet as well for no extra fee


Mark

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  - George Santayana



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Stus-List IPad Question...

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I have used a Dual XGPS 150A bluetooth puck with my old Wifi only 
Ipad.  Works great.


http://gps.dualav.com/explore-by-lifestyle/racing/xgps150-for-car-racing-and-performance/



At 10:11 AM 10/2/2015, you wrote:


Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:03:21 -0400
From: Andrew Burton 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
Message-ID:

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I have a GPS that plugs in to USB. If you get an adapter you can have it. I
have an adapter that we can plug in and try to make sure it works when we
next get together for a beer.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting
> software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.
 ...snip...
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 10:03:40 -0700
From: Leslie Paal 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
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If you do anything, and things go south you will have a problem 
assigning blame.  If you let them do everything relating to moving 
the boat; they are responsible.


I shipped a C&C from Boston to San Diego.  The damage (minor) was 
covered by the trucking company as they did all the work. (Apart 
from the fact that my time was valuable, moving the household too.)


Leslie.

On Thu, 10/1/15, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
 Cc: "Stevan Plavsa" 
 Date: Thursday, October 1, 2015, 6:51 AM

 Hi All,
 Suhana is moving!I'm loading her
 on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to
 Lake Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the
 Thousand Islands two years in a row and really want to get
 up to the North Channel.?
 I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have
 some tips to share? I'm bringing her to a marina with a
 travel lift. They are taking the mast down and hauling. The
 trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded
 cradle. From there they're driving up to Midland to Bay
 Moorings Marina where their travel lift will bring her down
 and onto the cradle. The trucking co told me to keep my
 cradle pads in the locker so that they can get at them when
 they are there, but aside from that, no other tips. I'm
 sure there are things I'm not considering! Anyone have
 any recommendations or things to consider when trucking a
 boat? Mast lays down alongside the boat on their trailer,
 not on deck. I'm thinking about removing my stanchions
 and lifelines just because.?
 Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland?
 That's where we'll be landing. Would be nice to know
 if any other listers are around. Would be great to have a
 brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the
 area.
 Cheers,Steve
 Suhana, C&C 32Toronto



Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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[George Cone via CnC-List]

Sure, what year type ipod 

George 

C&C 40

 

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CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 1:12 PM
To: CNC CNC
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

Anybody wanna trade a 64GB IPad for a Vanilla Android with GPS...

 Emoji  

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:03:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: davidrisc...@msn.com

Now that is a viable solution... Does one obtain a "vanilla" Android tablet 
from E-Bay or ?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:34:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: gc...@alpinesy.com

Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in GPS and 
do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.

Thanks,

George

C&C 40

 

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Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for 
$10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.

Dennis C.

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

I have the same one Mark, Acer One 7" for $99 at Costco.
I didn't even know it had a built-in GPS until I got it home and started
playing with it.
I bought it to replace my Kobo e-reader that I had just broken the screen
on.


Rick Taillieu
Nemesis
'75 C&C 25  #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.



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Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...




Or just try Walmart/Radio Shack/Best Buy - anything from $50 to $250
depending on how fancy you want and how big you want the screen.

I have an Acer Android tablet that I bought at Costco - maybe $100 cdn for
7" screen - has GPS (but no cell acess).  Works great.  Able to buy
Navionics through the Google Play store for $15 and then I can load it up
onto my other tablet as well for no extra fee

Mark

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[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS 
works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not 
need cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower 
triangulation for position and is not very accurate or fast without 
it.   Moreover, if you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS 
signal.  This is from the internet.



  MotionX-GPS


Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?

The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset 
which uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal 
acquisition. Cellular coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, 
however the signal acquisition will be much quicker if you have data 
coverage.
Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a 
signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which 
satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data 
services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5 
minutes.



  How the iPhone knows where you are

By Glenn Fleishman , 
Macworld
iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that 
Apple's Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS 
 
might almost seem baffling:


Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can
take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a
few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly
find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out 
where I am?
Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a 
lengthy process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. 
In simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how 
this all works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and 
cell phone towers fit into the equation.



  12.5 minutes to locate

Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a 
lock; later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you 
turned a GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few 
hundred miles, a cold start might be required again.
GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for 
where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast 
precise time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their 
current location. They also broadcast the location of all other 
satellites in the sky, called the almanac.
Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current 
location and some less precise location information for other GPS 
satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to 
obtain the full list of satellite locations. This information has to 
be decoded for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the 
satellites that are within range.
If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each 
sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can 
calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation 
of your current location along with the exact current time. With three 
satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement 
fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously 
on multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can 
improve accuracy, too.
But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that 
location faster!



  Giving GPS an assist

So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the 
wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads 
of position data from satellites, future locations can be estimated 
accurately enough to figure out rough satellite positions, and get a 
fix at which point even more up-to-date information is retrieved. 
These estimates can be downloaded via a network connection in seconds 
or even calculated right on a device.
The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current 
time, fragmentary satellite data can be decoded to gain a faster lock 
or figure out the appropriate information to use. In CDMA networks, 
such as that used by Verizon, GPS-synchronized atomic time is required 
for the network’s basic operations, making it a simple matter to have 
such information available. (In fact, CDMA cell towers have GPS units 
built in to maintain better atomic time synchronization.)These extras 
are what makes GPS into AGPS. Though a lot of people misunderstand 
AGPS and think it’s some faux GPS system, that’s not the case: AGPS 
requires a GPS receiver to work. Apple’s iPhone and 3G iPad models 
include AGPS,

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List]

We use iPad (albeit with external gps) on Jahmon (j29) below decks all 
the time.  I never understood why people would
buy an iPad without the gps option.  Seems like a lot of money to spend 
if you decide to change you mind later and having

the GPS is such an integral part of our lives these days.

AND...I'm not even an Apple fan.

$100 for an andriod pad eh...I must look into that.  I've been thinking 
of getting something for ebooks.


On 10/2/2015 5:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS 
works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11



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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I spent some time on the web researching aGPS vs GPS and saw the same
info.  aGPS found in many tablets and cellphones is, in fact,
satellite-based GPS.  aGPS simply uses cell towers to speed up the intitial
fix.

Having said that, in an offshore distance race a couple years ago, several
boats used Kattack tracking from cell phones.  Some of them, including
Touche', saw gaps in their tracks when well away from cell towers.  Might
have been because the phones were below.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Jerome
> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS
> works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need
> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation
> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if
> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from
> the internet.
> MotionX-GPS Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which
> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular
> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition
> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a
> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which
> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data
> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5
> minutes.
>
> How the iPhone knows where you are
> By Glenn Fleishman ,
> Macworld
> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
> Wednesday
> response about location tracking on iOS
> 
> might almost seem baffling:
>
> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up
> to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by
> using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>
> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I
> am?
> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy
> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In
> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all
> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone
> towers fit into the equation.
> 12.5 minutes to locate
> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock;
> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a
> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles,
> a cold start might be required again.
> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for
> where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise
> time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current
> location. They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the
> sky, called the almanac.
> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current
> location and some less precise location information for other GPS
> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain
> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded
> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that
> are within range.
> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each
> sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can
> calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of
> your current location along with the exact current time. With three
> satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement
> fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on
> multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can improve
> accuracy, too.
> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that
> location faster!
> Giving GPS an assist
> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the
> wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of
> position data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately
> enough to figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which
> point even more up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be
> downloaded via a network connection in seconds or even calculated right on
> a device.
> The current time can also be used as a clue. W

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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work below 
deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the point.  Jerry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerome
> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS works 
> perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need 
>> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation 
>> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if you 
>> are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from the 
>> internet.
>> MotionX-GPS
>> 
>> Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
>> 
>> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which 
>> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular 
>> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition 
>> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
>> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a signal. 
>> This is simply because it takes longer to determine which satellites to use 
>> out of the 31 available around the world. With data services, it typically 
>> takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5 minutes. 
>> 
>> How the iPhone knows where you are
>> 
>> By Glenn Fleishman, Macworld
>> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
>> Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS might almost seem baffling:
>> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to 
>> several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using 
>> Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I 
>> am?
>> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy 
>> process that was de rigueur when GPS   receivers first appeared. 
>> In simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this 
>> all works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone 
>> towers fit into the equation.
>> 12.5 minutes to locate
>> 
>> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock; 
>> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a GPS 
>> receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles, a 
>> cold start might be required again.
>> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for where 
>> you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise time 
>> signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current location. 
>> They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the sky, called 
>> the almanac.
>> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current 
>> location and some less precise location   information for other 
>> GPS satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to 
>> obtain the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be 
>> decoded for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the 
>> satellites that are within range.
>> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each sent 
>> their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can calculate 
>> to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of your current 
>> location along with the exact current time. With three satellites, you lose 
>> elevation, but a device can still track movement fairly accurately. 
>> Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, 
>> and track more than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.
>> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that location 
>> faster!
>> Giving GPS an assist
>> 
>> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the wait, 
>> called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of position 
>> data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately enough to 
>> figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which point even more 
>> up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be downloaded via a 
>> network connection in seconds or even calculated right on a device.
>> The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current time, 
>> fragmentary satellite data can be decoded to gain a faster lock or figure 
>> out the appropriate information to use. In CDMA networks, such as that used 
>> by Verizon, GPS-synchronized atomic time is required for the network’s basic 
>> operations, making it a simple matter to have such information available. 
>> (In fact,

Re: Stus-List Darwins List

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Isn't that area within "The Bermuda Triangle"?

No surprise at all for a ship to go missing...

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 02:49 PM 02/10/2015, you wrote:

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Who in their right mind would take a Container 
Ship, of all things, into a known, sitting Cat 4Â  Hurricane?




Container ship hit by Hurricane Joaquin lost, Coast Guard searching



http://weatherplus.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/10/02/container-ship-hit-by-hurricane-joaquin-lost-coast-guard-searching/



Bill Coleman
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

I have a http://www.madmanmarine.com/ wifi unit that takes output from my
NMEA concentrator then make is available via serial/usb, tcp/ip or UDB.

I have a chartplotter and GPS in the system and can get the info on
iRegatta or PolarNav on Mac.

Also tested with some free/cheap windows programs.

I have an iPad 1.0 that still runs some chartplotting software and has
built in GPS. It is on my boat right now and I can find it via iCloud.
Useful as we are having some dicy weather in the North East this weekend.
At least I can tell if the boat is still on its mooring.





On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work
> below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the
> point.  Jerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerome
> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS
> works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need
> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation
> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if
> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from
> the internet.
> MotionX-GPS Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which
> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular
> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition
> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a
> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which
> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data
> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5
> minutes.
>
> How the iPhone knows where you are
> By Glenn Fleishman ,
> Macworld
> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
> Wednesday
> response about location tracking on iOS
> 
> might almost seem baffling:
>
> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up
> to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by
> using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>
> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I
> am?
> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy
> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In
> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all
> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone
> towers fit into the equation.
> 12.5 minutes to locate
> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock;
> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a
> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles,
> a cold start might be required again.
> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for
> where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise
> time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current
> location. They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the
> sky, called the almanac.
> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current
> location and some less precise location information for other GPS
> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain
> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded
> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that
> are within range.
> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each
> sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can
> calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of
> your current location along with the exact current time. With three
> satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement
> fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on
> multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can improve
> accuracy, too.
> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that
> location faster!
> Giving GPS an assist
> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the
> wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of
> position data from satell

Re: Stus-List Darwins List

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

Sounds just like the Bounty.

 

Rick Taillieu

Nemesis

'75 C&C 25  #371

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

 

 

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Who in their right mind would take a Container Ship, of all things, into a 
known, sitting Cat 4  Hurricane?

 


Container ship hit by Hurricane Joaquin lost, Coast Guard searching


http://weatherplus.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/10/02/container-ship-hit-by-hurricane-joaquin-lost-coast-guard-searching/

 

 

 

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[Steve Staten via CnC-List]

A captain wouldn’t do that but an owner sitting in an office might order a 
captain to do such a thing. Contracts with penalties for late delivery are 
serious things. After all, the Xmas shopping season is almost here.

I’m not a sailor. I simply bought my boat and sail it in a lake when the 
weather’s peachy. However, I have to ask: is it possible that the container 
ship either couldn’t turn around in time or that it was not safe in port? Any 
merchant mariners on the list?

Steve Staten
Langley, OK, USA
“C’est La Vie”
C&C 27

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Who in their right mind would take a Container Ship, of all things, into a 
known, sitting Cat 4  Hurricane?

Container ship hit by Hurricane Joaquin lost, Coast Guard searching
http://weatherplus.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/10/02/container-ship-hit-by-hurricane-joaquin-lost-coast-guard-searching/



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[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I don’t think so, as that hurricane has been in the same place for several 
days. Plus, every delivery company has exclusions for ‘Acts of God” e.g. Bad 
weather – 

Not even the most rabid lawyer would poke a shipper for not delivering into a 
hurricane. 

 

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A captain wouldn’t do that but an owner sitting in an office might order a 
captain to do such a thing. Contracts with penalties for late delivery are 
serious things. After all, the Xmas shopping season is almost here. 

 

I’m not a sailor. I simply bought my boat and sail it in a lake when the 
weather’s peachy. However, I have to ask: is it possible that the container 
ship either couldn’t turn around in time or that it was not safe in port? Any 
merchant mariners on the list? 

 

Steve Staten

Langley, OK, USA

“C’est La Vie”

C&C 27 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Darwins List

 

 

Who in their right mind would take a Container Ship, of all things, into a 
known, sitting Cat 4  Hurricane?

 


Container ship hit by Hurricane Joaquin lost, Coast Guard searching


http://weatherplus.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/10/02/container-ship-hit-by-hurricane-joaquin-lost-coast-guard-searching/

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

It doesn't have a cell receiver, and it works very well offshore. During 
a recent offshore race I was watching the course while I was supposed to 
be sleeping.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-10-02 7:04 PM, Jerome Tauber wrote:
It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work 
below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor 
the point.  Jerry


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in 
GPS works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not 
need cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower 
triangulation for position and is not very accurate or fast without 
it.   Moreover, if you are below deck you will not get an adequate 
GPS signal.  This is from the internet.



  MotionX-GPS


Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?

The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset 
which uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal 
acquisition. Cellular coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, 
however the signal acquisition will be much quicker if you have data 
coverage.
Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a 
signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which 
satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With 
data services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up 
to 5 minutes.



  How the iPhone knows where you are

By Glenn Fleishman 
, Macworld
iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that 
Apple's Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS 
 
might almost seem baffling:


Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can
take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just
a few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to
quickly find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out 
where I am?
Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a 
lengthy process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first 
appeared. In simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely 
accurate about how this all works and what it's doing. So let me 
explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone towers fit into the equation.



  12.5 minutes to locate

Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a 
lock; later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If 
you turned a GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than 
a few hundred miles, a cold start might be required again.
GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates 
for where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast 
precise time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their 
current location. They also broadcast the location of all other 
satellites in the sky, called the almanac.
Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its 
current location and some less precise location information for 
other GPS satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 
minutes) to obtain the full list of satellite locations. This 
information has to be decoded for a receiver to then properly 
interpret signals from the satellites that are within range.
If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which 
each sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS 
receiver—can calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, 
and elevation of your current location along with the exact current 
time. With three satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can 
still track movement fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can 
lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, and track more than 
four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.
But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that 
location faster!



  Giving GPS an assist

So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten 
the wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live 
downloads of position data from satellites, future locations can be 
estimated accurately enough to figure out rough satellite positions, 
and get a fix at which point even more up-to-date information is 
retrieved. These estimates can be downloaded via a network 
connection in seconds or even calculated right on a device.
The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current 
time, fragmentary satellite data can be decoded to gain a faster 
lock or figure out the appropriate information t

Re: Stus-List Darwins List

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

An owner (or Admiral) decides where the ship will 
go. A captain decides when the ship will go.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


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A captain wouldn’t do that but an owner 
sitting in an office might order a captain to do 
such a thing. Contracts with penalties for late 
delivery are serious things. After all, the Xmas 
shopping season is almost here.


I’m not a sailor. I simply bought my boat and 
sail it in a lake when the weather’s peachy. 
However, I have to ask: is it possible that the 
container ship either couldn’t turn around in 
time or that it was not safe in port? Any merchant mariners on the list?


Steve Staten
Langley, OK, USA
“C’est La Vie”
C&C 27

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Stus-List Darwins List


Who in their right mind would take a Container 
Ship, of all things, into a known, sitting Cat 4  Hurricane?




Container ship hit by Hurricane Joaquin lost, Coast Guard searching



http://weatherplus.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/10/02/container-ship-hit-by-hurricane-joaquin-lost-coast-guard-searching/



Bill Coleman
C&C 39 Erie, PA
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Re: Stus-List Darwins List

[robert via CnC-List]

Steve:

I don't have answers to any of your questions but I do have a short story:
It was late August 1971I was working on the CN Marine  SV Fredrick 
Carter, a rail car carrier..we were to leave North Sydney, NS for 
Port aux Basques, Nfld. approx. 100 nm across the Cabot Straitour 
cargo was 38 box cars of dynamite & caps for the mining industry in 
Newfoundland and Labrador .really bad weather forecastcaptain 
told 'dock office' a.k.a. CN Marine management in North Sydney,  he 
didn't want to sail.CN Marine said 'go'.unexpectedly for CN 
Marine management, there was a 'generator failure' aboard ship which 
provided the skipper the last say in the matter.we didn't leave port.


I don't know what happened with this ship but I experienced first hand 
how innovative captain's have immense control over their vessels.  And 
during my time on commercial vessels, I experienced this very situation 
more than once.  But I am sure there as many times 'management' forces 
the vessel to meet timelines.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2015-10-02 7:14 PM, Steve Staten via CnC-List wrote:


A captain wouldn’t do that but an owner sitting in an office might 
order a captain to do such a thing. Contracts with penalties for late 
delivery are serious things. After all, the Xmas shopping season is 
almost here.


I’m not a sailor. I simply bought my boat and sail it in a lake when 
the weather’s peachy. However, I have to ask: is it possible that the 
container ship either couldn’t turn around in time or that it was not 
safe in port? Any merchant mariners on the list?


Steve Staten

Langley, OK, USA

“C’est La Vie”

C&C 27

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*Cc:* Bill Coleman
*Subject:* Stus-List Darwins List

Who in their right mind would take a Container Ship, of all things, 
into a known, sitting Cat 4  Hurricane?



  Container ship hit by Hurricane Joaquin lost, Coast Guard searching

http://weatherplus.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/10/02/container-ship-hit-by-hurricane-joaquin-lost-coast-guard-searching/

Bill Coleman

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Re: Stus-List Darwins List

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

It takes 6 days for a container ship to transit from Jacksonville to San Juan, 
with a number of ships making regular runs.  
Crooked Island is about 3/4 of the way there, give or take, so they probably 
set sail Saturday or Sunday. 
The distress call came at 07:30 on Thursday morning, with the ship reporting 
that it was about 35 miles off Crooked Island. 

The storm was upgraded to Hurricane status at 08:00 Wednesday morning, and had 
not been predicted to impact the Bahamas at all until Tuesday afternoon when 
the projected track became more SW. It developed from a tropical storm to a 
class 4 hurricane in less than 2 days. 

Hindsight is 20 20, but based on the weather status Saturday, or even Sunday, 
their choice at the time does not sound all that unreasonable to me.  Sunday 
morning there was a tropical depression forming near Bermuda, but it was not 
expected to strengthen much in the next 48 hours. These guys were headed south 
east, and may have already left port by the time the tropical depression was 
reported, but in any case they must have figured on being to far south to 
matter if it did develop in to something big. They were wrong. 

By the time the weather forecast had the storm big and coming their way, they 
had nowhere else to go. The storm closed in behind them as they headed south, 
east of Bahamas Bank. 

The link is to a storm time table, published this morning in the Nassau 
Guardian. It makes interesting reading. Did not sound that dangerous to start 
with, and did not follow the usual path. 
The Islands of the Bahamas, and the Bahamas government, were largely caught off 
guard too. 

Storm timetable:
http://www.thenassauguardian.com/news/59635 


Steve Thomas


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  Who in their right mind would take a Container Ship, of all things, into a 
known, sitting Cat 4  Hurricane?

   

  Container ship hit by Hurricane Joaquin lost, Coast Guard searching
  
http://weatherplus.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/10/02/container-ship-hit-by-hurricane-joaquin-lost-coast-guard-searching/

   

   

   

  Bill Coleman

  C&C 39 Erie, PA



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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List]

And here I thought you were watching Bonanza down there.

On 10/2/2015 8:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:
It doesn't have a cell receiver, and it works very well offshore. 
During a recent offshore race I was watching the course while I was 
supposed to be sleeping.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-10-02 7:04 PM, Jerome Tauber wrote:
It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it 
work below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to 
belabor the point.  Jerry


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in 
GPS works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
Joe - that is a common misunderstanding. While the Iphone does not 
need cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower 
triangulation for position and is not very accurate or fast without 
it.   Moreover, if you are below deck you will not get an adequate 
GPS signal.  This is from the internet.



  MotionX-GPS


Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?

The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset 
which uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal 
acquisition. Cellular coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, 
however the signal acquisition will be much quicker if you have 
data coverage.
Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire 
a signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which 
satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With 
data services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take 
up to 5 minutes.



  How the iPhone knows where you are

By Glenn Fleishman 
, Macworld
iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that 
Apple's Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS 
 
might almost seem baffling:


Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data
can take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to
just a few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data
to quickly find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out 
where I am?
Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a 
lengthy process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first 
appeared. In simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely 
accurate about how this all works and what it's doing. So let me 
explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone towers fit into the equation.



  12.5 minutes to locate

Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a 
lock; later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If 
you turned a GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than 
a few hundred miles, a cold start might be required again.
GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates 
for where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast 
precise time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their 
current location. They also broadcast the location of all other 
satellites in the sky, called the almanac.
Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its 
current location and some less precise location information for 
other GPS satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 
minutes) to obtain the full list of satellite locations. This 
information has to be decoded for a receiver to then properly 
interpret signals from the satellites that are within range.
If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which 
each sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS 
receiver—can calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, 
and elevation of your current location along with the exact current 
time. With three satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can 
still track movement fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers 
can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, and track more 
than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.
But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that 
location faster!



  Giving GPS an assist

So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten 
the wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live 
downloads of position data from satellites, future locations can be 
estimated accurately enough to figure out rough satellite 
positions, and get a fix at which point even more up-to-date 
information is retrieved. These estimates can be downloaded via a 
network connection in seconds or even calculated right on a device.
The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current 
time, fragmentary satellite dat

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

We had full GPS coverage using Navionics on Android all the way down the
west coast of Vancouver Island, many days without a hint of cell coverage.
I believe the Apple products work similarly. One of my friends has
navigated a couple of Van Isle 360's using an iPad.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 2 October 2015 at 16:40, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It doesn't have a cell receiver, and it works very well offshore.  During
> a recent offshore race I was watching the course while I was supposed to be
> sleeping.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 7:04 PM, Jerome Tauber wrote:
>
> It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work
> below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the
> point.  Jerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerome
> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS
> works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need
> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation
> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if
> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from
> the internet.
> MotionX-GPS Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which
> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular
> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition
> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a
> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which
> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data
> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5
> minutes.
>
> How the iPhone knows where you are
> By Glenn Fleishman ,
> Macworld
> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
> Wednesday
> response about location tracking on iOS
> 
> might almost seem baffling:
>
> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up
> to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by
> using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>
> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I
> am?
> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy
> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In
> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all
> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone
> towers fit into the equation.
> 12.5 minutes to locate
> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock;
> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a
> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles,
> a cold start might be required again.
> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for
> where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise
> time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current
> location. They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the
> sky, called the almanac.
> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current
> location and some less precise location information for other GPS
> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain
> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded
> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that
> are within range.
> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each
> sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can
> calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of
> your current location along with the exact current time. With three
> satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement
> fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on
> multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can improve
> accuracy, too.
> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that
> location faster!
> Giving GPS an assist
> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the
> wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of
> position data f

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

No, no.  Monty Python's Flying Circus!  Geeze, I wasn't expecting the 
Spanish inquisition!


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-10-02 10:20 PM, Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List wrote:

And here I thought you were watching Bonanza down there.

On 10/2/2015 8:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:
It doesn't have a cell receiver, and it works very well offshore.  
During a recent offshore race I was watching the course while I was 
supposed to be sleeping.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-10-02 7:04 PM, Jerome Tauber wrote:
It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it 
work below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to 
belabor the point.  Jerry


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in 
GPS works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
Joe - that is a common misunderstanding. While the Iphone does not 
need cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower 
triangulation for position and is not very accurate or fast 
without it.   Moreover, if you are below deck you will not get an 
adequate GPS signal.  This is from the internet.



  MotionX-GPS


Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?

The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) 
chipset which uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal 
acquisition. Cellular coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, 
however the signal acquisition will be much quicker if you have 
data coverage.
Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire 
a signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine 
which satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. 
With data services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can 
take up to 5 minutes.



  How the iPhone knows where you are

By Glenn Fleishman 
, Macworld
iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that 
Apple's Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS 
 
might almost seem baffling:


Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data
can take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to
just a few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data
to quickly find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out 
where I am?
Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a 
lengthy process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first 
appeared. In simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely 
accurate about how this all works and what it's doing. So let me 
explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone towers fit into the equation.



  12.5 minutes to locate

Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain 
a lock; later locks in the same region could still take minutes. 
If you turned a GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more 
than a few hundred miles, a cold start might be required again.
GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates 
for where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites 
broadcast precise time signals using a built-in atomic clock along 
with their current location. They also broadcast the location of 
all other satellites in the sky, called the almanac.
Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its 
current location and some less precise location information for 
other GPS satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 
minutes) to obtain the full list of satellite locations. This 
information has to be decoded for a receiver to then properly 
interpret signals from the satellites that are within range.
If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which 
each sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS 
receiver—can calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, 
longitude, and elevation of your current location along with the 
exact current time. With three satellites, you lose elevation, but 
a device can still track movement fairly accurately. Standalone 
GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, 
and track more than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.
But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that 
location faster!



  Giving GPS an assist

So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten 
the wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live 
downloads of position data from satellites, future locations can 
be estimated accurately enough to figure out rough satellite 
positions, and get a fix at which point even more up-to-date 
information is retrieved. These estim

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

The cell tower signal is just an aid in getting the first fix.  After that the 
GPS part of the chip takes over.  I was likewise getting position / speed data 
on inavx on my iPhone while "off watch" on the Annapolis to Newport race this 
year.

Tim

> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work below 
> deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the point.  
> Jerry
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jerome
>> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS works 
>> perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C&C 35-III #11
>>> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>>> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need 
>>> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation 
>>> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if 
>>> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from 
>>> the internet.
>>> MotionX-GPS
>>> 
>>> Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
>>> 
>>> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which 
>>> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular 
>>> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition 
>>> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
>>> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a 
>>> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which 
>>> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data 
>>> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5 
>>> minutes. 
>>> 
>>> How the iPhone knows where you are 
>>> 
>>> By Glenn Fleishman, Macworld
>>> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
>>> Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS might almost seem 
>>> baffling:
>>> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to 
>>> several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using 
>>> Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>>> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I 
>>> am?
>>> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy 
>>> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In 
>>> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all 
>>> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone 
>>> towers fit into the equation.
>>> 12.5 minutes to locate
>>> 
>>> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock; 
>>> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a 
>>> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles, 
>>> a cold start might be required again.
>>> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for where 
>>> you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise time 
>>> signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current location. 
>>> They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the sky, called 
>>> the almanac.
>>> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current 
>>> location and some less precise location information for other GPS 
>>> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain 
>>> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded 
>>> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that 
>>> are within range.
>>> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each sent 
>>> their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can calculate 
>>> to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of your current 
>>> location along with the exact current time. With three satellites, you lose 
>>> elevation, but a device can still track movement fairly accurately. 
>>> Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, 
>>> and track more than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.
>>> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that location 
>>> faster!
>>> Giving GPS an assist
>>> 
>>> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the 
>>> wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of 
>>> position data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately 
>>> enough to figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which 
>>> point even more up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be 
>>> downloaded via a network connection in seconds or even calculated right on 
>>> a device.
>>> The

Re: Stus-List Darwin’s List

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

Local (Jacksonville, FL) media has reported that the ship's lifeboat(s) can
handle these conditions and it's just a matter of time before the
lifeboat(s) and/or the ship are located. Sorry, can't find a link to the
local reporting.
Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I don’t think so, as that hurricane has been in the same place for several
> days. Plus, every delivery company has exclusions for ‘Acts of God” e.g.
> Bad weather –
>
> Not even the most rabid lawyer would poke a shipper for not delivering
> into a hurricane.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39 Erie, PA[image: animated_favicon1]
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Staten via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 6:15 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Steve Staten
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Darwins List
>
>
>
> A captain wouldn’t do that but an owner sitting in an office might order a
> captain to do such a thing. Contracts with penalties for late delivery are
> serious things. After all, the Xmas shopping season is almost here.
>
>
>
> I’m not a sailor. I simply bought my boat and sail it in a lake when the
> weather’s peachy. However, I have to ask: is it possible that the container
> ship either couldn’t turn around in time or that it was not safe in port?
> Any merchant mariners on the list?
>
>
>
> Steve Staten
>
> Langley, OK, USA
>
> “C’est La Vie”
>
> C&C 27
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Coleman via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 4:49 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman
> *Subject:* Stus-List Darwins List
>
>
>
>
>
> Who in their right mind would take a Container Ship, of all things, into a
> known, sitting Cat 4  Hurricane?
>
>
> Container ship hit by Hurricane Joaquin lost, Coast Guard searching
>
>
> http://weatherplus.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/10/02/container-ship-hit-by-hurricane-joaquin-lost-coast-guard-searching/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39 Erie, PA[image: animated_favicon1]
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Dave via CnC-List]

I have two iPads, one with gps, the other I use with a garmin GLO external 
Bluetooth GPS antenna.  Both work fine, even below decks.   The GLO needs to be 
restarted on occasion, the other is reliable even when out of cell range.   We 
sail on Lake Ontario, so when you really need GPS, like entering a harbour, or 
near shore you are within cell range.
If I were to do  it again, I'd get an android or windows tablet -cheaper, and 
can connect to an nmea2000 network or anything else via usb.  Intent is to use 
tablet via wifi as integrated nmea2000 chartplotter.

Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Nobody "expects" the Spanish Inquisition!

For those out of this loop, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt0Y39eMvpI

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 2 October 2015 at 18:39, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> No, no.  Monty Python's Flying Circus!  Geeze, I wasn't expecting the
> Spanish inquisition!
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 10:20 PM, Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
>
> And here I thought you were watching Bonanza down there.
>
> On 10/2/2015 8:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:
>
> It doesn't have a cell receiver, and it works very well offshore.  During
> a recent offshore race I was watching the course while I was supposed to be
> sleeping.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 7:04 PM, Jerome Tauber wrote:
>
> It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work
> below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the
> point.  Jerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerome
> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS
> works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need
> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation
> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if
> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from
> the internet.
> MotionX-GPS Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which
> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular
> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition
> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a
> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which
> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data
> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5
> minutes.
>
> How the iPhone knows where you are
> By Glenn Fleishman ,
> Macworld
> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
> Wednesday
> response about location tracking on iOS
> 
> might almost seem baffling:
>
> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up
> to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by
> using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>
> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I
> am?
> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy
> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In
> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all
> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone
> towers fit into the equation.
> 12.5 minutes to locate
> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock;
> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a
> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles,
> a cold start might be required again.
> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for
> where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise
> time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current
> location. They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the
> sky, called the almanac.
> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current
> location and some less precise location information for other GPS
> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain
> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded
> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that
> are within range.
> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each
> sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can
> calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of
> your current location along with the exact current time. With three
> satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement
> fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on
> multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can improve
> accuracy, too.
> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that
> location faster!
>