Stus-List List down?

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Nothing since Friday...is the list down or is everyone out sailing?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200


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Re: Stus-List List down?

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I think everyone (but you and I…) are out on their boats…   :^(

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jul 19, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nothing since Friday...is the list down or is everyone out sailing?
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
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Re: Stus-List List down?

[Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List]

Very light traffic...

Must be boat weekend.  Pouring down rain here in Halifax...


On 19/07/2015 2:37 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:

Nothing since Friday...is the list down or is everyone out sailing?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200


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Muir Caileag
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Armdale Y.C.
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Re: Stus-List List down?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Heat index over 100.  Doing an evening sail.
Joel

On Sunday, July 19, 2015, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I think everyone (but you and I…) are out on their boats…   :^(
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Jul 19, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
> Nothing since Friday...is the list down or is everyone out sailing?
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
>
>

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Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate

[Dan Grant via CnC-List]

Hello all
Hey Martin just wanted to thank you for advice on this project 
I was able to save most of the old chainplate and had no problem glassing it in.
The museum curator was also great in getting me drawings. 
The boat went into the water June 16th and I just now got back from first solo 
sail !
I wonder what big project is next . 

Dan Grant 
1970 Corvette 
Puffin# 148
Ipswich,Ma

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:43 PM,  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 20:59:44 +, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Dan,
>> 
>> Is the mast up?  If so is there tension on the back stay?  If so ease it off 
>> slowly...
>> 
>> My advice is not to load up the back stay until the amount of damage to the 
>> chain plate is known. That is a frightening picture.
>> 
>> Do you have the original drawings from the Marine Museum?  If not they may 
>> have a drawing of what is under that fiberglass.  They are able to send 
>> digital copies quickly, paper takes longer.  IIRC they search by boat type 
>> and size.
>> 
>> How good is the access to that space?  If you are still in a DIY mood and 
>> fit back there I recommend you purchase a tyvek suit, full face dust mask, 
>> and a 4" to 5" grinder.  Save what you can to use as a pattern to have a new 
>> chain plate manufactured.  Use epoxy not polyester to bond in and 
>> re-laminate the area.
>> 
>> Sailing Anarchy's Fixit Forum has several good threads going on now and 
>> recently major boat repairs including chain plates and other major 
>> structures.  Once you sort out the less than useful comments there is some 
>> very good boat repair information there.  West Systems' web site also has 
>> related "how to" videos and documents.
>> 
>> Calypso's co-owner and I are 2 years into some major repair/restore projects 
>> on our Bruckmann built C&C.  Many things were done well during the build.  
>> Keeping water from leaking around deck penetrations was not one of the areas 
>> of excellence made worse by lack of maintenance over the decades. The good 
>> news is the boat is worth the effort.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> Martin DeYoung
>> Calypso
>> 1971 C&C 43
>> Seattle
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 1:43 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Dan
>> Subject: Stus-List Back stay chain plate
>> 
>> Hello all 
>> My back stay chainplate needs attention please take a look at the pic.
>> I plan on doing the work myself 
>> Any advice is greatly appreciated!
>> Thanks 
>> Dan Grant
>> Puffin 
>> 1970  c and c corvette 
>> Hull 148 
>> Ipswich MA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4o8yi069rmdgpx0/image.jpg?dl=0
>> 
>> 
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Stus-List Load Calculators

[Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List]

I think someone was looking for this earlier:
http://www.harken.com/Calculators/

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Stus-List Re : Re: List down?

[Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List]

Was thinking the same that everypne was out sailng.


Here, nice sail yesterday. Today went out on the kids new to them 29er. Good I 
am old.


Pierre Tremblay

Avalanche

C&C 38-3

De:"Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
Date:dim., 19, juil., 2015 « à » 14:36
Objet:Re: Stus-List List down?

Heat index over 100.  Doing an evening sail. 

Joel

On Sunday, July 19, 2015, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I think everyone (but you and I…) are out on their boats…   :^(


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


On Jul 19, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Nothing since Friday...is the list down or is everyone out sailing?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200



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Re: Stus-List Re : Re: List down?

[svpegasus38]

Ifor one am out enjoying the great westher, sailing around the Gulf Islands 
on a friends boat. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.



-- Original message--From: Pierre Tremblay via CnC-ListDate: Sun, Jul 
19, 2015 14:03To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Pierre 
Tremblay;Subject:Stus-List Re : Re:  List down?
Was thinking the same that everypne was out sailng.
Here, nice sail yesterday. Today went out on the kids new to them 29er. Good I 
am old.
Pierre TremblayAvalancheC&C 38-3
 De:"Joel Aronson via CnC-List" >
Date:dim., 19, juil., 2015 « à » 14:36
Objet:Re: Stus-List List down?

 Heat index over 100.  Doing an evening sail. Joel

On Sunday, July 19, 2015, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I think everyone (but you and I…) are out on their boats…   :^(

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
On Jul 19, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Nothing since Friday...is the list down or is everyone out sailing?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200

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Re: Stus-List Re : Re: List down?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

It's quiet...too quiet.

Andy
Sitting on his C&C 40, Peregrine, give her some love in the form of new hoses 
and an oil change and a 6th coat of varnish.

Andrew Burton
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Newport, RI 
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> On Jul 19, 2015, at 17:03, Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Was thinking the same that everypne was out sailng.
> 
> Here, nice sail yesterday. Today went out on the kids new to them 29er. Good 
> I am old.
> 
> Pierre Tremblay
> Avalanche
> C&C 38-3
> De:"Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
> Date:dim., 19, juil., 2015 « à » 14:36
> Objet:Re: Stus-List List down?
> 
> Heat index over 100.  Doing an evening sail. 
> Joel
> 
>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I think everyone (but you and I…) are out on their boats…   :^(
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nothing since Friday...is the list down or is everyone out sailing?
>>> 
>>> Tom Buscaglia
>>> S/V Alera 
>>> 1990 C&C 37+/40
>>> Vashon WA
>>> P 206.463.9200
> 
> 
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Stus-List Diesel issues

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

On the way to and from our racing area, my Beta-25 with only 390 hours on it 
was running fine and then it dies.


It started up right away, ran for a few minutes then died again.


We sailed out of the channel for about 10 minutes, started it up again with no 
problems and it ran for 20-30 minutes before
I shut it down for the race.


On the way back we motored around loafing at about 4 knots for 30 minutes as we 
headed for the channel back to the slip.


Halfway in it died again. I used the electric fuel pump to be sure it was 
'primed' and it started right up and then quit again after about
30 seconds. 


By then, we were close enough to the slip to sail in--kept the main up for just 
such an event--which we did without issues (a competent crew
of 6 can do that!).


Ran it in the slip at full throttle and it died again after about 3 minutes. 
Started tight up, ran again at full throttle and it died again.


Fuel tank is only 3 hours into a full tank (48 gallons) and the pick-up tube 
was replaced last year to go further down into the tank so neither
the fuel level or pick-up tube level can be issues. I also added some Stan-dyne 
(?) when I last filled the tank earlier this year.


The Neuse River was almost flat since we had only a 5 knot breeze so I doubt 
that it was 'stirred up' crud from the tank.


Haven't replaced the fuel filter between the tank and the engine or the engine 
mounted one this season (did it last year) so that is my first chore
since IMHO it looks like a fuel issue or an air in the fuel line issue.


I also will check all the clamps that are used to seal the fuel line from the 
tank to the engine.


Does the list have any other suggestions/ideas besides what I listed?


TIA,


Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb













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Re: Stus-List Diesel issues

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

It does sound like a fuel filter issue.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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> On Jul 19, 2015, at 18:45, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the way to and from our racing area, my Beta-25 with only 390 hours on it 
> was running fine and then it dies.
> 
> It started up right away, ran for a few minutes then died again.
> 
> We sailed out of the channel for about 10 minutes, started it up again with 
> no problems and it ran for 20-30 minutes before
> I shut it down for the race.
> 
> On the way back we motored around loafing at about 4 knots for 30 minutes as 
> we headed for the channel back to the slip.
> 
> Halfway in it died again. I used the electric fuel pump to be sure it was 
> 'primed' and it started right up and then quit again after about
> 30 seconds. 
> 
> By then, we were close enough to the slip to sail in--kept the main up for 
> just such an event--which we did without issues (a competent crew
> of 6 can do that!).
> 
> Ran it in the slip at full throttle and it died again after about 3 minutes. 
> Started tight up, ran again at full throttle and it died again.
> 
> Fuel tank is only 3 hours into a full tank (48 gallons) and the pick-up tube 
> was replaced last year to go further down into the tank so neither
> the fuel level or pick-up tube level can be issues. I also added some 
> Stan-dyne (?) when I last filled the tank earlier this year.
> 
> The Neuse River was almost flat since we had only a 5 knot breeze so I doubt 
> that it was 'stirred up' crud from the tank.
> 
> Haven't replaced the fuel filter between the tank and the engine or the 
> engine mounted one this season (did it last year) so that is my first chore
> since IMHO it looks like a fuel issue or an air in the fuel line issue.
> 
> I also will check all the clamps that are used to seal the fuel line from the 
> tank to the engine.
> 
> Does the list have any other suggestions/ideas besides what I listed?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Diesel issues

[Steve Sharkey via CnC-List]

You also might check the air filter.  I had a similar problem when my air
filter got clogged from dust from a slipping belt.
On Jul 19, 2015 6:45 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> On the way to and from our racing area, my Beta-25 with only 390 hours on
> it was running fine and then it dies.
>
>  It started up right away, ran for a few minutes then died again.
>
>  We sailed out of the channel for about 10 minutes, started it up again
> with no problems and it ran for 20-30 minutes before
> I shut it down for the race.
>
>  On the way back we motored around loafing at about 4 knots for 30
> minutes as we headed for the channel back to the slip.
>
>  Halfway in it died again. I used the electric fuel pump to be sure it
> was 'primed' and it started right up and then quit again after about
> 30 seconds.
>
>  By then, we were close enough to the slip to sail in--kept the main up
> for just such an event--which we did without issues (a competent crew
> of 6 can do that!).
>
>  Ran it in the slip at full throttle and it died again after about 3
> minutes. Started tight up, ran again at full throttle and it died again.
>
>  Fuel tank is only 3 hours into a full tank (48 gallons) and the pick-up
> tube was replaced last year to go further down into the tank so neither
> the fuel level or pick-up tube level can be issues. I also added some
> Stan-dyne (?) when I last filled the tank earlier this year.
>
>  The Neuse River was almost flat since we had only a 5 knot breeze so I
> doubt that it was 'stirred up' crud from the tank.
>
>  Haven't replaced the fuel filter between the tank and the engine or the
> engine mounted one this season (did it last year) so that is my first chore
> since IMHO it looks like a fuel issue or an air in the fuel line issue.
>
>  I also will check all the clamps that are used to seal the fuel line
> from the tank to the engine.
>
>  Does the list have any other suggestions/ideas besides what I listed?
>
>  TIA,
>
>  Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> cenel...@aol.com
>
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Re: Stus-List Diesel issues

[jtsails via CnC-List]

I agree, sounds like fuel supply issue. BTW you guys looked good out there 
racing (or was it drifting). I really like the C&C logo on the main!
James
Delaney
C&C 38 mk2
Oriental, NC

From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 6:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com 
Subject: Stus-List Diesel issues

On the way to and from our racing area, my Beta-25 with only 390 hours on it 
was running fine and then it dies. 


It started up right away, ran for a few minutes then died again.


We sailed out of the channel for about 10 minutes, started it up again with no 
problems and it ran for 20-30 minutes before
I shut it down for the race.


On the way back we motored around loafing at about 4 knots for 30 minutes as we 
headed for the channel back to the slip.


Halfway in it died again. I used the electric fuel pump to be sure it was 
'primed' and it started right up and then quit again after about
30 seconds. 


By then, we were close enough to the slip to sail in--kept the main up for just 
such an event--which we did without issues (a competent crew
of 6 can do that!).


Ran it in the slip at full throttle and it died again after about 3 minutes. 
Started tight up, ran again at full throttle and it died again.


Fuel tank is only 3 hours into a full tank (48 gallons) and the pick-up tube 
was replaced last year to go further down into the tank so neither
the fuel level or pick-up tube level can be issues. I also added some Stan-dyne 
(?) when I last filled the tank earlier this year.


The Neuse River was almost flat since we had only a 5 knot breeze so I doubt 
that it was 'stirred up' crud from the tank.


Haven't replaced the fuel filter between the tank and the engine or the engine 
mounted one this season (did it last year) so that is my first chore
since IMHO it looks like a fuel issue or an air in the fuel line issue.


I also will check all the clamps that are used to seal the fuel line from the 
tank to the engine.


Does the list have any other suggestions/ideas besides what I listed?


TIA,


Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb













cenel...@aol.com




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Re: Stus-List Diesel issues

[Glenn via CnC-List]

If the fuel line has a filter on the end of it at the bottom of the fuel 
tank, it can suck fuel until it clogs.  When it stopped sucking the fuel 
up (engine stops), it unclogs and then sucks fuel to the combustion 
chamber againuntil it clogs again.  Obviously, the time of this 
process varies (as it has for you).  If it doesn't have a fuel filter at 
the bottom of the fuel line in the tank, then it is likely a clogged 
fuel filter elsewhere.  If you change the fuel filter on the engine, and 
it keeps happening check the tank idea.  Some Universal engines had that 
problem.


Good luck.

Glenn Gambel
Wind N Spirits, C&C 36

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From: "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Sent: 7/19/2015 6:45:07 PM
Subject: Stus-List Diesel issues

On the way to and from our racing area, my Beta-25 with only 390 hours 
on it was running fine and then it dies.


It started up right away, ran for a few minutes then died again.

We sailed out of the channel for about 10 minutes, started it up again 
with no problems and it ran for 20-30 minutes before

I shut it down for the race.

On the way back we motored around loafing at about 4 knots for 30 
minutes as we headed for the channel back to the slip.


Halfway in it died again. I used the electric fuel pump to be sure it 
was 'primed' and it started right up and then quit again after about

30 seconds.

By then, we were close enough to the slip to sail in--kept the main up 
for just such an event--which we did without issues (a competent crew

of 6 can do that!).

Ran it in the slip at full throttle and it died again after about 3 
minutes. Started tight up, ran again at full throttle and it died 
again.


Fuel tank is only 3 hours into a full tank (48 gallons) and the pick-up 
tube was replaced last year to go further down into the tank so neither
the fuel level or pick-up tube level can be issues. I also added some 
Stan-dyne (?) when I last filled the tank earlier this year.


The Neuse River was almost flat since we had only a 5 knot breeze so I 
doubt that it was 'stirred up' crud from the tank.


Haven't replaced the fuel filter between the tank and the engine or the 
engine mounted one this season (did it last year) so that is my first 
chore

since IMHO it looks like a fuel issue or an air in the fuel line issue.

I also will check all the clamps that are used to seal the fuel line 
from the tank to the engine.


Does the list have any other suggestions/ideas besides what I listed?

TIA,

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb







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Re: Stus-List Diesel issues

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Charlie — also check the fuel vent just under the toerail for insect/spider 
nests.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jul 19, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the way to and from our racing area, my Beta-25 with only 390 hours on it 
> was running fine and then it dies.
> 
> It started up right away, ran for a few minutes then died again.
> 
> We sailed out of the channel for about 10 minutes, started it up again with 
> no problems and it ran for 20-30 minutes before
> I shut it down for the race.
> 
> On the way back we motored around loafing at about 4 knots for 30 minutes as 
> we headed for the channel back to the slip.
> 
> Halfway in it died again. I used the electric fuel pump to be sure it was 
> 'primed' and it started right up and then quit again after about
> 30 seconds. 
> 
> By then, we were close enough to the slip to sail in--kept the main up for 
> just such an event--which we did without issues (a competent crew
> of 6 can do that!).
> 
> Ran it in the slip at full throttle and it died again after about 3 minutes. 
> Started tight up, ran again at full throttle and it died again.
> 
> Fuel tank is only 3 hours into a full tank (48 gallons) and the pick-up tube 
> was replaced last year to go further down into the tank so neither
> the fuel level or pick-up tube level can be issues. I also added some 
> Stan-dyne (?) when I last filled the tank earlier this year.
> 
> The Neuse River was almost flat since we had only a 5 knot breeze so I doubt 
> that it was 'stirred up' crud from the tank.
> 
> Haven't replaced the fuel filter between the tank and the engine or the 
> engine mounted one this season (did it last year) so that is my first chore
> since IMHO it looks like a fuel issue or an air in the fuel line issue.
> 
> I also will check all the clamps that are used to seal the fuel line from the 
> tank to the engine.
> 
> Does the list have any other suggestions/ideas besides what I listed?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List List down?

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Joel, 
My son and I did the Race to Baltimore yesterday. Light winds but a fun race w 
60 boats that finished next to the docks in the harbor. Damn hot. After the 
race we took a slip and plugged into shore power to run the AC and the cabin 
was heaven after the party. 
http://www.bcya.com/RaceToBaltimore/2015R2BResults.htm 

Are there winds in the evening on the Chesapeake? 

Chuck 
- Original Message -

From: "Joel Aronson via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Joel Aronson"  
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 2:35:53 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List List down? 

Heat index over 100. Doing an evening sail. 
Joel 

On Sunday, July 19, 2015, Frederick G Street via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 



I think everyone (but you and I…) are out on their boats… :^( 

Fred Street -- Minneapolis 
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI 




On Jul 19, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 

Nothing since Friday...is the list down or is everyone out sailing? 

Tom Buscaglia 
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40 
Vashon WA 
P 206.463.9200 








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Joel 
301 541 8551 

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Re: Stus-List Diesel issues

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

One other I have experienced is the fuel line inner liner collapsing and 
starving the engine .

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Charlie - also check the fuel vent just under the toerail for insect/spider 
nests.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Jul 19, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

On the way to and from our racing area, my Beta-25 with only 390 hours on it 
was running fine and then it dies.

It started up right away, ran for a few minutes then died again.

We sailed out of the channel for about 10 minutes, started it up again with no 
problems and it ran for 20-30 minutes before
I shut it down for the race.

On the way back we motored around loafing at about 4 knots for 30 minutes as we 
headed for the channel back to the slip.

Halfway in it died again. I used the electric fuel pump to be sure it was 
'primed' and it started right up and then quit again after about
30 seconds.

By then, we were close enough to the slip to sail in--kept the main up for just 
such an event--which we did without issues (a competent crew
of 6 can do that!).

Ran it in the slip at full throttle and it died again after about 3 minutes. 
Started tight up, ran again at full throttle and it died again.

Fuel tank is only 3 hours into a full tank (48 gallons) and the pick-up tube 
was replaced last year to go further down into the tank so neither
the fuel level or pick-up tube level can be issues. I also added some Stan-dyne 
(?) when I last filled the tank earlier this year.

The Neuse River was almost flat since we had only a 5 knot breeze so I doubt 
that it was 'stirred up' crud from the tank.

Haven't replaced the fuel filter between the tank and the engine or the engine 
mounted one this season (did it last year) so that is my first chore
since IMHO it looks like a fuel issue or an air in the fuel line issue.

I also will check all the clamps that are used to seal the fuel line from the 
tank to the engine.

Does the list have any other suggestions/ideas besides what I listed?

TIA,

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb







cenel...@aol.com
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Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Dan,

Thanks for the update and congrats on a successful repair/upgrade.  It seems 
that with older C&Cs we don't have to wait long for the next project.

If you are going to spend a lot of time sailing solo, sail and line handling 
upgrades often result in immediate gratification.

Many cnc-list participants sail solo and will have good ideas for the quick 
return up grades.  Somewhere out on the interwebs is a solo sailing manual 
written by a Olson 30 sailor based in BC. The SSS group out of San Francisco 
likely has a link on there web site.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle


From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Dan Grant via 
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Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 1:36 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Dan Grant
Subject: Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate

Hello all
Hey Martin just wanted to thank you for advice on this project
I was able to save most of the old chainplate and had no problem glassing it in.
The museum curator was also great in getting me drawings.
The boat went into the water June 16th and I just now got back from first solo 
sail !
I wonder what big project is next .

Dan Grant
1970 Corvette
Puffin# 148
Ipswich,Ma

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:43 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 20:59:44 +, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Is the mast up?  If so is there tension on the back stay?  If so ease it off 
>> slowly...
>>
>> My advice is not to load up the back stay until the amount of damage to the 
>> chain plate is known. That is a frightening picture.
>>
>> Do you have the original drawings from the Marine Museum?  If not they may 
>> have a drawing of what is under that fiberglass.  They are able to send 
>> digital copies quickly, paper takes longer.  IIRC they search by boat type 
>> and size.
>>
>> How good is the access to that space?  If you are still in a DIY mood and 
>> fit back there I recommend you purchase a tyvek suit, full face dust mask, 
>> and a 4" to 5" grinder.  Save what you can to use as a pattern to have a new 
>> chain plate manufactured.  Use epoxy not polyester to bond in and 
>> re-laminate the area.
>>
>> Sailing Anarchy's Fixit Forum has several good threads going on now and 
>> recently major boat repairs including chain plates and other major 
>> structures.  Once you sort out the less than useful comments there is some 
>> very good boat repair information there.  West Systems' web site also has 
>> related "how to" videos and documents.
>>
>> Calypso's co-owner and I are 2 years into some major repair/restore projects 
>> on our Bruckmann built C&C.  Many things were done well during the build.  
>> Keeping water from leaking around deck penetrations was not one of the areas 
>> of excellence made worse by lack of maintenance over the decades. The good 
>> news is the boat is worth the effort.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Martin DeYoung
>> Calypso
>> 1971 C&C 43
>> Seattle
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 1:43 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Dan
>> Subject: Stus-List Back stay chain plate
>>
>> Hello all
>> My back stay chainplate needs attention please take a look at the pic.
>> I plan on doing the work myself
>> Any advice is greatly appreciated!
>> Thanks
>> Dan Grant
>> Puffin
>> 1970  c and c corvette
>> Hull 148
>> Ipswich MA
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4o8yi069rmdgpx0/image.jpg?dl=0
>>
>>
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Stus-List Raymarine Autohelm problem

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Seems my Raymarine 4000STPlus has a problem. It does not work. The display is 
displaying and all buttons seem to work. Today it kept displaying XTE. I pulled 
the motor connection and read a short pulse of volts at the socket when I tried 
to change course through the controller. The motor surged for a while and 
stopped. It seems like the motor is OK. The display reads a magnetic heading 
and seems to function OK, but when I push AUTO and change heading, nothing 
changes except the display heading. 

Wiring problem? I have a wired remote that may be lying under a pile of sails, 
or a tool bag. Could that be causing interferance? 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine Autohelm problem

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

Here’s a link to the repair manual for the 4000+:

http://www.bristolsailboats.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/st40001.pdf

If the motor works, the problem is probably inside the wheel, either the gear 
or the belt. It’s easy to take apart and investigate.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.

From: Chuck S via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 10:11 PM
To: cnc-list-bounces cnc-list ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Cc: Chuck S
Subject: Stus-List Raymarine Autohelm problem

Seems my Raymarine 4000STPlus has a problem.  It does not work.  The display is 
displaying and all buttons seem to work.  Today it kept displaying XTE.  I 
pulled the motor connection and read a short pulse of volts at the socket when 
I tried to change course through the controller.  The motor surged for a while 
and stopped.  It seems like the motor is OK.  The display reads a magnetic 
heading and seems to function OK, but when I push AUTO and change heading, 
nothing changes except the display heading.

Wiring problem?  I have a wired remote that may be lying under a pile of sails, 
or a tool bag.  Could that be causing interferance?


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md




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Re: Stus-List Diesel issues

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

This sounds very similar to the issues I had (with a different engine)/ It 
turned out to be the fuel filter. I hope that this is the case for you.

 

Marek

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie 
Nelson via CnC-List
Sent: July-19-15 18:45
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Diesel issues

 

On the way to and from our racing area, my Beta-25 with only 390 hours on it 
was running fine and then it dies. 

 

It started up right away, ran for a few minutes then died again.

 

We sailed out of the channel for about 10 minutes, started it up again with no 
problems and it ran for 20-30 minutes before

I shut it down for the race.

 

On the way back we motored around loafing at about 4 knots for 30 minutes as we 
headed for the channel back to the slip.

 

Halfway in it died again. I used the electric fuel pump to be sure it was 
'primed' and it started right up and then quit again after about

30 seconds. 

 

By then, we were close enough to the slip to sail in--kept the main up for just 
such an event--which we did without issues (a competent crew

of 6 can do that!).

 

Ran it in the slip at full throttle and it died again after about 3 minutes. 
Started tight up, ran again at full throttle and it died again.

 

Fuel tank is only 3 hours into a full tank (48 gallons) and the pick-up tube 
was replaced last year to go further down into the tank so neither

the fuel level or pick-up tube level can be issues. I also added some Stan-dyne 
(?) when I last filled the tank earlier this year.

 

The Neuse River was almost flat since we had only a 5 knot breeze so I doubt 
that it was 'stirred up' crud from the tank.

 

Haven't replaced the fuel filter between the tank and the engine or the engine 
mounted one this season (did it last year) so that is my first chore

since IMHO it looks like a fuel issue or an air in the fuel line issue.

 

I also will check all the clamps that are used to seal the fuel line from the 
tank to the engine.

 

Does the list have any other suggestions/ideas besides what I listed?

 

TIA,

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb

 

 

 

 

 

 

cenel...@aol.com

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Re: Stus-List Diesel issues

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Many recommend removing that “filter” (it is usually just a wire mesh screen).

 

Marek

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Glenn via 
CnC-List
Sent: July-19-15 20:02
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Glenn
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel issues

 

If the fuel line has a filter on the end of it at the bottom of the fuel tank, 
it can suck fuel until it clogs.  When it stopped sucking the fuel up (engine 
stops), it unclogs and then sucks fuel to the combustion chamber againuntil 
it clogs again.  Obviously, the time of this process varies (as it has for 
you).  If it doesn't have a fuel filter at the bottom of the fuel line in the 
tank, then it is likely a clogged fuel filter elsewhere.  If you change the 
fuel filter on the engine, and it keeps happening check the tank idea.  Some 
Universal engines had that problem.  

 

Good luck.

 

Glenn Gambel

Wind N Spirits, C&C 36

 

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From: "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: cenel...@aol.com

Sent: 7/19/2015 6:45:07 PM

Subject: Stus-List Diesel issues

 

On the way to and from our racing area, my Beta-25 with only 390 hours on it 
was running fine and then it dies. 

 

It started up right away, ran for a few minutes then died again.

 

We sailed out of the channel for about 10 minutes, started it up again with no 
problems and it ran for 20-30 minutes before

I shut it down for the race.

 

On the way back we motored around loafing at about 4 knots for 30 minutes as we 
headed for the channel back to the slip.

 

Halfway in it died again. I used the electric fuel pump to be sure it was 
'primed' and it started right up and then quit again after about

30 seconds. 

 

By then, we were close enough to the slip to sail in--kept the main up for just 
such an event--which we did without issues (a competent crew

of 6 can do that!).

 

Ran it in the slip at full throttle and it died again after about 3 minutes. 
Started tight up, ran again at full throttle and it died again.

 

Fuel tank is only 3 hours into a full tank (48 gallons) and the pick-up tube 
was replaced last year to go further down into the tank so neither

the fuel level or pick-up tube level can be issues. I also added some Stan-dyne 
(?) when I last filled the tank earlier this year.

 

The Neuse River was almost flat since we had only a 5 knot breeze so I doubt 
that it was 'stirred up' crud from the tank.

 

Haven't replaced the fuel filter between the tank and the engine or the engine 
mounted one this season (did it last year) so that is my first chore

since IMHO it looks like a fuel issue or an air in the fuel line issue.

 

I also will check all the clamps that are used to seal the fuel line from the 
tank to the engine.

 

Does the list have any other suggestions/ideas besides what I listed?

 

TIA,

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb

 

 

 

 

 

 

cenel...@aol.com

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