Re: Stus-List America's Cup conspiracy theory

[Colin Kilgour]

No conspiracy, imo.

If it was as simple as that, John Kostecki wouldn't have been fired.

As the only American in a 'skill position', they'd want to keep him on
the boat if possible.  It's unlikely they threw him under the bus just
for the fun of it.

Cheers
Colin

On 9/24/13, Brent Driedger  wrote:
> The thought has crossed my mind considering the money at stake and the ego
> of the big push.
>
> Brent
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Andrew Burton 
>> wrote:
>>
>> One thing for sure, the sponsors are getting their money's worth! At
>> least, I certainly hope they are. I won't complain if they do the same
>> thing again...and I bet there would be more boats lined up to sail, too
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI
>> USA02840
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 20:25, Chuck S  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am a long time (50 year) fan of the Americas Cup.  I doubt an NZ
>>> competitor would lose so many races to allow an even final race.  But I
>>> wouldn't doubt Oracle may have carried some extra water weight to sandbag
>>> the first few races and force their guys to sail better.  I'd love San
>>> Francisco to keep the cup but I have no love for Spithill or Ainsle or
>>> the non-American crew.  Whoever wins deserves it.
>>>
>>> I hope the next series is longer and adds a clause, " must win by two
>>> races" similar to tennis.Or rather a longer 8 hour long race around
>>> an island similar to the original race by schooner America.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Resolute
>>> 1990 C&C 34R
>>> Atlantic City, NJ
>>> From: "Indigo" 
>>> To: kenhea...@gmail.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:46:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup.
>>>
>>> Any conspiracy theorists out there? Are the Kiwi’s letting Oracle catch
>>> up to increase the excitement level so that AC 35 will be even better
>>> televised, followed by the non-sailing media?
>>>
>>> I agree that this has been one spectacular AC.  I just wish I had had the
>>> opportunity to see them live from SF Bay!
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

[Roger Ware]

The Finn may be many things, but skiff, it is not.

Cheers, Roger Ware, Kingston, ON

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S
Sent: September-24-13 4:15 PM
To: Bev Parslow; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

 

I think the Americas Cup went through many changes thru the years.  The twelve 
meter boats saw a national pride carried thruout with crews from local 
colleges.  That chapter ran from WWII until 1983 when America lost the cup.  I 
think the national requirement was dropped after Coutts won so many times in a 
row.  Now it's all paid professionals of international fame.  This year's 
American boat Oracle's skipper is Australian and the tactician is a Brit who 
won a Gold metal sailing a Finn in the Olympics, a one man skiff.  

But way back when the cup races first started, late 1800's until right up thru 
to WWII, the cup was contested like it is now.  The American boats were 
enormous boats owned by millionares, like JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, 
skippered by professional captains and manned by Swedish steam, a gang of 
Swedes, or other nationalities.



Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ

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From: "Bev Parslow" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:48:07 PM
Subject: Stus-List America's Cup.

I am confused. We have a boat sponsored from a country that last time I used an 
atlas was in the Middle East. All participants being interviewed seem to have 
an accent from the Southern Hemisphere. Rumour has it that in fact we have only 
one American on board. If they win, it should be called the American's Cup. 
This really is quite a farce. Why not a boat, built, designed and made in that 
country, filled from citizens from there with sponsorship from the state.


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Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

[Colin Kilgour]

Roger, I'm glad you pointed that out.  I was going to, but didn't want
to be the 'dinghy nerd'.

For full points though, you should have pointed out that Ainslie races
a Laser, not a Finn, and that he didn't win A gold medal, he won 4 of
them, which (imo) makes him one of the most accomplished Olympic
athletes of all time.   (I discount runners and swimmers because
they're able to run in multiple events in the same games, whereas
Ainslie's 4 golds span 4 games and 13 years.  That's a long time to be
the best in the world)

Btw - Laser's not a skiff either.

Cheers
Colin

On 9/25/13, Roger Ware  wrote:
> The Finn may be many things, but skiff, it is not.
>
> Cheers, Roger Ware, Kingston, ON
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S
> Sent: September-24-13 4:15 PM
> To: Bev Parslow; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup.
>
>
>
> I think the Americas Cup went through many changes thru the years.  The
> twelve meter boats saw a national pride carried thruout with crews from
> local colleges.  That chapter ran from WWII until 1983 when America lost the
> cup.  I think the national requirement was dropped after Coutts won so many
> times in a row.  Now it's all paid professionals of international fame.
> This year's American boat Oracle's skipper is Australian and the tactician
> is a Brit who won a Gold metal sailing a Finn in the Olympics, a one man
> skiff.
>
> But way back when the cup races first started, late 1800's until right up
> thru to WWII, the cup was contested like it is now.  The American boats were
> enormous boats owned by millionares, like JP Morgan, Rockefeller,
> Vanderbilt, skippered by professional captains and manned by Swedish steam,
> a gang of Swedes, or other nationalities.
>
>
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
>
>   _
>
> From: "Bev Parslow" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:48:07 PM
> Subject: Stus-List America's Cup.
>
> I am confused. We have a boat sponsored from a country that last time I used
> an atlas was in the Middle East. All participants being interviewed seem to
> have an accent from the Southern Hemisphere. Rumour has it that in fact we
> have only one American on board. If they win, it should be called the
> American's Cup. This really is quite a farce. Why not a boat, built,
> designed and made in that country, filled from citizens from there with
> sponsorship from the state.
>
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Stus-List America's Cup - Lessons Learned

[Bob Moriarty]

I watched many of the America's Cup races "live" on Virtual Eye and then
often caught the "actual video" replays when they became available on
YouTube.
As a half-fast beercan racer I watched and analyzed with great interest,
ingesting a lot of information but not a lot of knowledge. I don't think I
learned anything that can be applied to my Wednesday night efforts.
Let's see, If I'm ahead, I should cover - unless I should split. hmm.
Though I did learn that if you have to roll the dice, just hope they come
up Yahtzee.

Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL
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Re: Stus-List America's Cup - Lessons Learned

[Glen Eddie]

That was the best quote for the AC.

Glen Eddie
Torkin Manes LLP
Barristers and Solicitors
Tel: 416-777-5357

From: Bob Moriarty
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List America's Cup - Lessons Learned


I watched many of the America's Cup races "live" on Virtual Eye and then often 
caught the "actual video" replays when they became available on YouTube.
As a half-fast beercan racer I watched and analyzed with great interest, 
ingesting a lot of information but not a lot of knowledge. I don't think I 
learned anything that can be applied to my Wednesday night efforts.
Let's see, If I'm ahead, I should cover - unless I should split. hmm.
Though I did learn that if you have to roll the dice, just hope they come up 
Yahtzee.

Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL



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Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

[Ken Heaton]

Colin, according to Wilipedia:

Ben Ainslie won silver at the 1996 Olympic
Games and
gold in the 2000 Summer
Olympics
in
the Laser  class. He gained
some 18 kilograms (40 lb) and moved to the larger
Finn class
for the 2004 Summer
Olympics,
where he won gold, a feat he repeated in the
2008
 and 
2012
 competitions. Both his gold medal winning Laser and Finn dinghies are
currently at the National Maritime Museum
Cornwall
.

Ken H.


On 25 September 2013 19:49, Colin Kilgour  wrote:

> Roger, I'm glad you pointed that out.  I was going to, but didn't want
> to be the 'dinghy nerd'.
>
> For full points though, you should have pointed out that Ainslie races
> a Laser, not a Finn, and that he didn't win A gold medal, he won 4 of
> them, which (imo) makes him one of the most accomplished Olympic
> athletes of all time.   (I discount runners and swimmers because
> they're able to run in multiple events in the same games, whereas
> Ainslie's 4 golds span 4 games and 13 years.  That's a long time to be
> the best in the world)
>
> Btw - Laser's not a skiff either.
>
> Cheers
> Colin
>
> On 9/25/13, Roger Ware  wrote:
> > The Finn may be many things, but skiff, it is not.
> >
> > Cheers, Roger Ware, Kingston, ON
> >
> >
> >
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> Chuck S
> > Sent: September-24-13 4:15 PM
> > To: Bev Parslow; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the Americas Cup went through many changes thru the years.  The
> > twelve meter boats saw a national pride carried thruout with crews from
> > local colleges.  That chapter ran from WWII until 1983 when America lost
> the
> > cup.  I think the national requirement was dropped after Coutts won so
> many
> > times in a row.  Now it's all paid professionals of international fame.
> > This year's American boat Oracle's skipper is Australian and the
> tactician
> > is a Brit who won a Gold metal sailing a Finn in the Olympics, a one man
> > skiff.
> >
> > But way back when the cup races first started, late 1800's until right up
> > thru to WWII, the cup was contested like it is now.  The American boats
> were
> > enormous boats owned by millionares, like JP Morgan, Rockefeller,
> > Vanderbilt, skippered by professional captains and manned by Swedish
> steam,
> > a gang of Swedes, or other nationalities.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> > Resolute
> > 1990 C&C 34R
> > Atlantic City, NJ
> >
> >   _
> >
> > From: "Bev Parslow" 
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:48:07 PM
> > Subject: Stus-List America's Cup.
> >
> > I am confused. We have a boat sponsored from a country that last time I
> used
> > an atlas was in the Middle East. All participants being interviewed seem
> to
> > have an accent from the Southern Hemisphere. Rumour has it that in fact
> we
> > have only one American on board. If they win, it should be called the
> > American's Cup. This really is quite a farce. Why not a boat, built,
> > designed and made in that country, filled from citizens from there with
> > sponsorship from the state.
> >
> >
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Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

[Colin Kilgour]

I stand corrected.   I always thought of him as a Laser only guy.



On 9/25/13, Ken Heaton  wrote:
> Colin, according to Wilipedia:
>
> Ben Ainslie won silver at the 1996 Olympic
> Games and
> gold in the 2000 Summer
> Olympics
> in
> the Laser  class. He gained
> some 18 kilograms (40 lb) and moved to the larger
> Finn class
> for the 2004 Summer
> Olympics,
> where he won gold, a feat he repeated in the
> 2008
>  and
> 2012
>  competitions. Both his gold medal winning Laser and Finn dinghies are
> currently at the National Maritime Museum
> Cornwall
> .
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On 25 September 2013 19:49, Colin Kilgour  wrote:
>
>> Roger, I'm glad you pointed that out.  I was going to, but didn't want
>> to be the 'dinghy nerd'.
>>
>> For full points though, you should have pointed out that Ainslie races
>> a Laser, not a Finn, and that he didn't win A gold medal, he won 4 of
>> them, which (imo) makes him one of the most accomplished Olympic
>> athletes of all time.   (I discount runners and swimmers because
>> they're able to run in multiple events in the same games, whereas
>> Ainslie's 4 golds span 4 games and 13 years.  That's a long time to be
>> the best in the world)
>>
>> Btw - Laser's not a skiff either.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Colin
>>
>> On 9/25/13, Roger Ware  wrote:
>> > The Finn may be many things, but skiff, it is not.
>> >
>> > Cheers, Roger Ware, Kingston, ON
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
>> Chuck S
>> > Sent: September-24-13 4:15 PM
>> > To: Bev Parslow; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I think the Americas Cup went through many changes thru the years.  The
>> > twelve meter boats saw a national pride carried thruout with crews from
>> > local colleges.  That chapter ran from WWII until 1983 when America
>> > lost
>> the
>> > cup.  I think the national requirement was dropped after Coutts won so
>> many
>> > times in a row.  Now it's all paid professionals of international fame.
>> > This year's American boat Oracle's skipper is Australian and the
>> tactician
>> > is a Brit who won a Gold metal sailing a Finn in the Olympics, a one
>> > man
>> > skiff.
>> >
>> > But way back when the cup races first started, late 1800's until right
>> > up
>> > thru to WWII, the cup was contested like it is now.  The American boats
>> were
>> > enormous boats owned by millionares, like JP Morgan, Rockefeller,
>> > Vanderbilt, skippered by professional captains and manned by Swedish
>> steam,
>> > a gang of Swedes, or other nationalities.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Chuck
>> > Resolute
>> > 1990 C&C 34R
>> > Atlantic City, NJ
>> >
>> >   _
>> >
>> > From: "Bev Parslow" 
>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:48:07 PM
>> > Subject: Stus-List America's Cup.
>> >
>> > I am confused. We have a boat sponsored from a country that last time I
>> used
>> > an atlas was in the Middle East. All participants being interviewed
>> > seem
>> to
>> > have an accent from the Southern Hemisphere. Rumour has it that in fact
>> we
>> > have only one American on board. If they win, it should be called the
>> > American's Cup. This really is quite a farce. Why not a boat, built,
>> > designed and made in that country, filled from citizens from there with
>> > sponsorship from the state.
>> >
>> >
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Re: Stus-List America's Cup - Lessons Learned

[Graham Collins]

You didn't learn the most important lesson!  Get it up on the foils 
first!  I'm sure it is applicable to C&Cs...  Hmm...  have to look at 
adding appendages this winter...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2013-09-25 7:50 PM, Bob Moriarty wrote:
I watched many of the America's Cup races "live" on Virtual Eye and 
then often caught the "actual video" replays when they became 
available on YouTube.
As a half-fast beercan racer I watched and analyzed with great 
interest, ingesting a lot of information but not a lot of knowledge. I 
don't think I learned anything that can be applied to my Wednesday 
night efforts.

Let's see, If I'm ahead, I should cover - unless I should split. hmm.
Though I did learn that if you have to roll the dice, just hope they 
come up Yahtzee.


Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL


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