Re: Stus-List C&C 34

[John and Maryann Read]

Hi Brent

First concern is his lack of sailing experience to undertake such a venture.
If he wants to experience offshore sailing, suggest he look into crewing
with an experienced skipper - perhaps on a delivery??
Second is the boat is very well designed and constructed with no inherent
flaws.  That said, it is specifically designed for smooth water and light
airs, round the buoys racing and coastal cruising.  It excels in these
conditions.  It will handle heavy air, but not comfortably as it is arguably
the most tender C&C built.  The centerboard itself also raises issues in
heavy air or seas.  The sheer age of the boat would also mandate a thorough
inspection if not full replacement of essential systems such as rigging,
lifelines, etc.  We love our 34 (full keel) but would not think of taking
her offshore.

John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT

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Driedger
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:26 PM
To: C&C List Canada
Subject: Stus-List C&C 34

Good evening.  
One of my crew has made an offer to purchase a C&C 34 with a centreboard.
I'm guessing a very early 80s variety. I'm really unfamiliar with these
boats. This guy is very enthusiastic about cruising, in his 2nd  year of
sailing and spent his first winter doing 7/10 of the great loop solo in a
Paceship 26.
His latest project is to take this C&C 34 across the Atlantic to Europe.
This wouldn't be my first choice of boat for deep ocean conquests but I'm
interested to know the opinions from owners etc. on how worthy a 34 cb is as
a blue water solo boat. Am I under estimating its capabilities or should I
provide him with caution.  

Cheers
Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg

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Re: Stus-List Boating terms

[Brett Arron]

Most feared words on crossing tacks (racing)
I will make it... But I don't own it!

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On Aug 30, 2013, at 23:05, Brent Driedger  wrote:

> Keep circling my boat with that jet ski and you will get a boat hook in the 
> face!
> 
> Brent
> 27-5
> Lake Winnipeg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2013-08-30, at 6:59 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
>> Pass astern of sailboats. 
>> 
>> If you are trolling you have no rights. Don't expect me to alter course 
>> because you chose to cross my bow.
>> 
>> The no crab pot zone has no exception for your damn pots.  
>> 
>> Joel 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:56 PM, "Dennis C."  wrote:
>> 
>>> The Admiral and I are taking Touche' back to Lake Pontchartrain from 
>>> Pensacola this weekend.  Just thought I'd share some terms I became 
>>> re-acquainted with over the summer.
>>> 
>>> Redundant boating phrases
>>> 
>>> - Stupid party barge driver
>>> - Arrogant power boater
>>> - Ignorant express cruiser owner
>>> 
>>> Terms unknown to power boaters
>>> 
>>> - no wake zone
>>> - dead slow
>>> - idle speed
>>> 
>>> Actions unknown to seemingly every power boater and many sail
>>> boat owners
>>> 
>>> - Automated radio check on VHF Channel XX
>>> - Proper anchoring technique
>>> 
>>> Anybody got some more?  Rant on!!
>>> 
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List C&C 34

[Edd Schillay]

Brent,

I know people have made trips across the ocean in rowboats, but I can't 
express enough how much I agree with John and Maryann. As someone who owned a 
1978 C&C34 for many, many years (it was the Enterprise-A), we got to know the 
strengths, weaknesses and limitations of the boat very well. 

Over the course of our ownership, we took her a few times on the Around 
Long Island Regatta, the first half of which is run on the ocean-side of Long 
Island. As John and Maryann state, in light air and a little chop, the C&C34 
will move like a dream. In heavy air and high waves, you'll actually hear the 
hull "crunching" under the stress. In one of those races, we were up against 
18-25 winds with 9-foot waves and, after a few miles, we all thought it would 
be safest to turn around. We call that one the 5% Around Long Island Regatta. 

I have almost 40 years of sailing experience. I would not want to do 
any ocean voyages on a C&C34. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log




On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:43 AM, John and Maryann Read  
wrote:

Hi Brent

First concern is his lack of sailing experience to undertake such a venture.
If he wants to experience offshore sailing, suggest he look into crewing
with an experienced skipper - perhaps on a delivery??
Second is the boat is very well designed and constructed with no inherent
flaws.  That said, it is specifically designed for smooth water and light
airs, round the buoys racing and coastal cruising.  It excels in these
conditions.  It will handle heavy air, but not comfortably as it is arguably
the most tender C&C built.  The centerboard itself also raises issues in
heavy air or seas.  The sheer age of the boat would also mandate a thorough
inspection if not full replacement of essential systems such as rigging,
lifelines, etc.  We love our 34 (full keel) but would not think of taking
her offshore.

John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brent
Driedger
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:26 PM
To: C&C List Canada
Subject: Stus-List C&C 34

Good evening.  
One of my crew has made an offer to purchase a C&C 34 with a centreboard.
I'm guessing a very early 80s variety. I'm really unfamiliar with these
boats. This guy is very enthusiastic about cruising, in his 2nd  year of
sailing and spent his first winter doing 7/10 of the great loop solo in a
Paceship 26.
His latest project is to take this C&C 34 across the Atlantic to Europe.
This wouldn't be my first choice of boat for deep ocean conquests but I'm
interested to know the opinions from owners etc. on how worthy a 34 cb is as
a blue water solo boat. Am I under estimating its capabilities or should I
provide him with caution.  

Cheers
Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg

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Re: Stus-List Boating terms

[Wally Bryant]

Eat peanuts and pistachio nuts and keep the shells in a big plastic bag 
for moments when they ignore your yells.   I really love it when the jet 
skis decide to race laps between two sailboats, and some first-timer is 
fifteen feet away and forgets that you have to turn using the 
throttle... ("It won't turn!  It won't turn!")


Brent wrote:

Keep circling my boat with that jet ski and you will get a boat hook in the 
face!



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Re: Stus-List C&C 34

[Dennis C.]

Ah, men and their dreams.  A couple months after I bought my first monohull, an 
O'Day 27 with an inboard AT4, an article came out in a regional sailing 
magazine about a guy who had bought a sistership but with an outboard.  He was 
going to sail it to some Scandinavian country.  He left Mandeville, sailed into 
a storm off the Mississippi coast, battled the weather for 20 or 30 hours and 
finally washed up on the Chandeleur Islands off the Louisiana coast.  The 
magazine showed a picture of the boat on its side well above the surf line.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



>
> From: Edd Schillay 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:59 AM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34
> 
>
>
>Brent,
>
>
>I know people have made trips across the ocean in rowboats, but I can't 
>express enough how much I agree with John and Maryann. As someone who owned a 
>1978 C&C34 for many, many years (it was the Enterprise-A), we got to know the 
>strengths, weaknesses and limitations of the boat very well. 
>
>
>Over the course of our ownership, we took her a few times on the Around Long 
>Island Regatta, the first half of which is run on the ocean-side of Long 
>Island. As John and Maryann state, in light air and a little chop, the C&C34 
>will move like a dream. In heavy air and high waves, you'll actually hear the 
>hull "crunching" under the stress. In one of those races, we were up against 
>18-25 winds with 9-foot waves and, after a few miles, we all thought it would 
>be safest to turn around. We call that one the 5% Around Long Island Regatta. 
>
>
>I have almost 40 years of sailing experience. I would not want to do any ocean 
>voyages on a C&C34. 
>
>
>
>All the best,
>
>
>Edd
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Stus-List C&C 34 (taking a boat across the ocean)

[Marek Dziedzic]

I think we may want to wait for what Antoine (?) has to say (he did it
already).

But from talking to people who crossed the ocean solo (or very short handed,
e.g. two people), the biggest issue is that you have to be on the lookout
all the time, especially at night. I heard endless stories about close
encounters with big ships, where it appeared, nobody was on the bridge. Most
of them agreed that this was the biggest challenge (not sleeping for 2
weeks). Others were simple in comparison.

Another thing, if I remember correctly, is that the rigging will take
serious beating, so you better know what is holding your mast, keel and
rudder.

Marek 
In Ottawa.
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Re: Stus-List C&C 34 (taking a boat across the ocean)

[Joel Aronson]

A second year sailor crossing the Atlantic?
Be sure his will is up to date and life insurance is paid.

Joel
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On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Marek Dziedzic  wrote:

 Stus-List C&C 34 (taking a boat across the ocean)

I think we may want to wait for what Antoine (?) has to say (he did it
already).

But from talking to people who crossed the ocean solo (or very short
handed, e.g. two people), the biggest issue is that you have to be on the
lookout all the time, especially at night. I heard endless stories about
close encounters with big ships, where it appeared, nobody was on the
bridge. Most of them agreed that this was the biggest challenge (not
sleeping for 2 weeks). Others were simple in comparison.

Another thing, if I remember correctly, is that the rigging will take
serious beating, so you better know what is holding your mast, keel and
rudder.

Marek

In Ottawa.

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Re: Stus-List C&C 34

[Jim]

Hello Brent, h ere is my $0.02: 



I have a 1980 C&C 34 full keel  that I have raced offshore a few times.  So 
far, the longest race is has been the Oregon Offshore Race (OOR), which goes 
from the mouth of the Columbia Ri ver to Victoria BC; done it twice . Not any  
significant offshore experience, really.  But the boat has been very 
satisfactory.  As others have mentioned, do a thorough check of the rigging, 
hull and deck.  Th e deck is balsa cored and there are hundreds of bolts 
holding deck hardware down ; n one of the bolt holes were properly fabricated 
so each one is a potential leak path for water to get into the balsa core.  Th 
e rod rigging on this boat is relatively lightly loaded compared to other 
boats, so it might be OK after all these years, but don' t trust it without a 
professional-grade check.  Th e main bulkheads  (one partial blkhd on stbd and 
one partial blkhd on port) just forward of the mast are the greatest structural 
weakness in these 34s.  They are only bonded to the hull with tabbing; the top 
is loosely captured in grooves in the headliner and is not bonded to the deck.  
Th e tabbing at the bilge level on the stbd side tore loose on my boat and I 
had to re-tab it.  Worse than that, the tops of the two bulkhead panels start 
shifting inward at the top, sliding in the groove.  The hull is showing dimples 
just under the gunwale  where the tabbing is pulling the balsa- cored hull 
inward, following  the bulkhead.   Mine have moved approximately 1/2-inch 
toward the center of the boat at the top.  They are captive in the groove and 
do not seem to be under high enough load to cause the plywood to deform 
diaphragmatically, although the top inward corner of the plywood that is 
pressing into the end of the groove in the headliner is showing some signs of 
slight crushing.  (My winter project is to analyze the stress paths and see 
about correcting the hull deformation by doing something to make the two 
partial bulkheads stay in their original pos it ion .) 



That said, I do feel that my 34 would be OK for a passage to Hawaii, because of 
the work I' ve done to it.  Drilling out the bolt holes in the deck, f illing 
with epoxy/cabosil and re-drilling, adding backing plates under the k eel bolt 
nuts,  adding two layers of 10-oz cloth and West System resin on the hull from 
the waterline down, rebuilding the rudder, adding an epoxy/ glass reinforcement 
to the keel joint, changing thru-hulls, checking the hull coring for moisture, 
doing a thorough  NDT inspection of the rod rigging and threaded parts, keeping 
up with replacement of running rigging , upgrading the electrical with marine 
grade, replacing hoses, upgrading the propane system, etc.  The amount of 
maintenence on these old boats  is not insignificant ; roughly $15 k per year 
(including sail replacement) .  M ake sure the previous owner has kept it up.  



Keep in mind, when you are out in the ocean, the time you spend sailing  is  
more likely to be  in light winds than a gale. Th e 34 is easily driven at 4 to 
5 kn ots,  a great light air boat, and yet, when I've been caught in 40 knot 
winds, the boat still makes headway well enough  although the toe rail is at 
the water .  We often encounter 25 to 28 knots on the nose  in the OOR, and w 
ith the 98% carbon fiber blade and  the kevlar main with one reef, I've 
maintained 6 knots close-hauled to weather going up the Washington coast .  My 
race crews (personnel changes every year)  always say the 34 is a great boat to 
sail on.  Maybe that's because I buy them lots of beer... 



I'd venture to say  the 34 is not a blue water cruiser that you can take thru a 
hurricane , but it is  in the middle of the FRP boat class, maybe upper half.   
And,  as with all old boats, check it out thoroughly. 



Hope this helps, 

Jim Calnon 

C&C 34 Katzenjammer 



> 
>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:26:26 -0500 
>From: Brent Driedger < bren...@highspeedcrow.ca > 
>To: C&C List Canada < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
>Subject: Stus-List C&C 34 
>Message-ID: < 52703548-187d-487e-af56-6119d98b0...@highspeedcrow.ca > 
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii\ 
> 
>Good evening. 
>One of my crew has made an offer to purchase a C&C 34 with a centreboard. I'm 
>guessing a very early 80s variety. I'm really unfamiliar >with these boats. 
>This guy is very enthusiastic about cruising, in his 2nd year of sailing and 
>spent his first winter doing 7/10 of the great >loop solo in a Paceship 26. 
>His latest project is to take this C&C 34 across the Atlantic to Europe. This 
>wouldn't be my first choice of boat for deep ocean conquests >but I'm 
>interested to know the opinions from owners etc. on how worthy a 34 cb is as a 
>blue water solo boat. Am I under estimating its >capabilities or should I 
>provide him with caution. 
> 
>Cheers 
>Brent 
>27-5 
>Lake Winnipeg 
>_

Re: Stus-List C&C 34

[Joe Della Barba]

A 34 would not be my first choice for that trip.   I would rather have a 
Landfall   or 30 Mk I .  There is a stability chart for C&Cs someplace. My old 
35 is 126 degrees and having been laid over by 20 foot breakers I would not 
want less. Ymmv and IMHO.Joe. Coquina ( anchored in Annapolis)

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On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:47 AM, "Dennis C."  wrote:

> Ah, men and their dreams.  A couple months after I bought my first monohull, 
> an O'Day 27 with an inboard AT4, an article came out in a regional sailing 
> magazine about a guy who had bought a sistership but with an outboard.  He 
> was going to sail it to some Scandinavian country.  He left Mandeville, 
> sailed into a storm off the Mississippi coast, battled the weather for 20 or 
> 30 hours and finally washed up on the Chandeleur Islands off the Louisiana 
> coast.  The magazine showed a picture of the boat on its side well above the 
> surf line.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> From: Edd Schillay 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34
> 
> Brent,
> 
>   I know people have made trips across the ocean in rowboats, but I can't 
> express enough how much I agree with John and Maryann. As someone who owned a 
> 1978 C&C34 for many, many years (it was the Enterprise-A), we got to know the 
> strengths, weaknesses and limitations of the boat very well. 
> 
>   Over the course of our ownership, we took her a few times on the Around 
> Long Island Regatta, the first half of which is run on the  ocean-side of 
> Long Island. As John and Maryann state, in light air and a little chop, the 
> C&C34 will move like a dream. In heavy air and high waves, you'll actually 
> hear the hull "crunching" under the stress. In one of those races, we were up 
> against 18-25 winds with 9-foot waves and, after a few miles, we all thought 
> it would be safest to turn around. We call that one the 5% Around Long Island 
> Regatta. 
> 
>   I have almost 40 years of sailing experience. I would not want to do 
> any ocean voyages on a C&C34. 
> 
>   
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
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Re: Stus-List Boating terms

[Wally Bryant]

Oh, right...  and boaters who don't know horn signals.   I had an 
interesting moment once when a 50 foot powerboat gave three short blasts 
when leaving the fairway in front of me.   I guess 'toot toot toot' is 
all he could remember from his Tommy The Tugboat days.




Wal



On 8/30/2013 10:52 PM, Dennis C. wrote:

Anybody got some more?  Rant on!!



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Re: Stus-List C&C 34

[Antoine Rose]

Brent,
First thing one need to accept on the ocean is the fact that the boat will 
start making all sort of interest noises/cracks... After a number of days, you 
end up understanding where most of them come from. Example, the deck of C&C 30 
is laid over the bulkhead but is not mechanically bonded to these bulkheads, 
with the exception of the main bulkhead around the mast. The result is a deck 
constantly rubbing slightly against the bulkheads, making squeaks. You almost 
never hear these things in calm waters (and weather). Message, the boat will 
suffer much more than its used too and needs to be prepared. In heavy weather, 
picture your boat suspended under a crane 2-3 meters above water and then 
dropped in the water, and you are actually in that boat when it's dropped. 
Second example, I added longitudinal bulkhead to create more storage and help 
stiffening. All, and I mean all, the screws were bended upon return.

Second message
I've seen many boats doing all kinds of crossing, including a guy who did it 
solo four time on his Mirage 25. But the boat needs to be prepared for that. 
Second message: most of the boats are more sturdy than you think. In most of 
the cases, the crew fail first and fail the boat too. So don't ask if your boat 
can do it, rather ask if the crew has what it takes to do it in terms of 
knowledge, skills, judgement and guts. Remember that plenty of guts do not 
replace knowledge, experience and judgement. If the crew has sufficient 
knowledge and skills, this implies this crew will prepare the boat for what is 
coming.

Don't worry about the boat, the boat is fine, if it gets prepared, meaning 
being put back in excellent shape. If it doesn't get prepared, worry about the 
crew.

Solo on the ocean, you have two main tasks in this particular order, keep the 
boat in good conditions and keep the crew healthy. Faulty crew makes bad 
decisions which end up hurting the boat, which is very bad, because the boat is 
the only thing standing between you and the ocean bottom.

Antoine (C&C Cousin)


Le 2013-08-30 à 22:26, Brent Driedger a écrit :

> Good evening.  
> One of my crew has made an offer to purchase a C&C 34 with a centreboard. I'm 
> guessing a very early 80s variety. I'm really unfamiliar with these boats. 
> This guy is very enthusiastic about cruising, in his 2nd  year of sailing and 
> spent his first winter doing 7/10 of the great loop solo in a Paceship 26.
> His latest project is to take this C&C 34 across the Atlantic to Europe. This 
> wouldn't be my first choice of boat for deep ocean conquests but I'm 
> interested to know the opinions from owners etc. on how worthy a 34 cb is as 
> a blue water solo boat. Am I under estimating its capabilities or should I 
> provide him with caution.  
> 
> Cheers
> Brent
> 27-5
> Lake Winnipeg
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 34

[Jack Brennan]

If you can ever find it, get a copy of a 1970s book called The Voyage of Sea 
Lion.

It was written by an eccentric screenwriter named Will Corry, who composed the 
first car-chase movie, a cult classic called Two-Lane Blacktop. He used the 
money to buy an old wooden sailboat, a daysailer, and head out across the 
Pacific with his toddler daughter following his divorce.

He had never sailed before.

Reading the book is like watching a traffic accident unfold before your eyes. 
You want to reach through the pages and shake the guy, saying what the hell are 
you doing? Somehow, he made it to Australia before being convinced that he was 
going to kill himself and his daughter. Polynesian women kept trying to spirit 
his daughter away from him, fearful for her life, along the way. 

>From the book, he appeared clueless about the dangers. 

After I read it, I tried to figure out what ever happened to the guy. No trace 
of him or his daughter anywhere. Just random mentions about his cult screenplay 
on movie sites. Strange.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.


From: Dennis C. 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34

Ah, men and their dreams.  A couple months after I bought my first monohull, an 
O'Day 27 with an inboard AT4, an article came out in a regional sailing 
magazine about a guy who had bought a sistership but with an outboard.  He was 
going to sail it to some Scandinavian country.  He left Mandeville, sailed into 
a storm off the Mississippi coast, battled the weather for 20 or 30 hours and 
finally washed up on the Chandeleur Islands off the Louisiana coast.  The 
magazine showed a picture of the boat on its side well above the surf line.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



--
  From: Edd Schillay 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:59 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34


  Brent, 

  I know people have made trips across the ocean in rowboats, but I can't 
express enough how much I agree with John and Maryann. As someone who owned a 
1978 C&C34 for many, many years (it was the Enterprise-A), we got to know the 
strengths, weaknesses and limitations of the boat very well. 

  Over the course of our ownership, we took her a few times on the Around Long 
Island Regatta, the first half of which is run on the ocean-side of Long 
Island. As John and Maryann state, in light air and a little chop, the C&C34 
will move like a dream. In heavy air and high waves, you'll actually hear the 
hull "crunching" under the stress. In one of those races, we were up against 
18-25 winds with 9-foot waves and, after a few miles, we all thought it would 
be safest to turn around. We call that one the 5% Around Long Island Regatta. 

  I have almost 40 years of sailing experience. I would not want to do any 
ocean voyages on a C&C34. 



  All the best,

  Edd




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Re: Stus-List Boating terms

[Wally Bryant]

I wrote:





Oh, c'mon, I've been waiting for someone to ask me where I hang my gong 
that I'm required to bang at anchor every 12 minutes...


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Re: Stus-List Boating terms

[Knowles Rich]

I just read the regs. Wal, you need a full time crew just to bash the bell, 
never mind where it is. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-08-31, at 20:42, Wally Bryant  wrote:

I wrote:
> 
> 

Oh, c'mon, I've been waiting for someone to ask me where I hang my gong that 
I'm required to bang at anchor every 12 minutes...

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Re: Stus-List C&C 34

[Colin Kilgour]

I'd echo some of what others have said... Most boats, if well
prepared, can handle bluewater voyages.  However, some boats are more
comfy at sea than others and a non-bluewater boat (say a C&C34) can
beat the hell out of a crew. So while any boat - in theory - could
sail bluewater  a C&C 34 would be well down the list of boats that I'd
want to go to sea in.

Also, a good boat can (often, but not always) cover a rookie sailor's
ass.  We met a few families in the Carib who were newbie sailors but
managed to cross over from Europe on a kickass boat.

However, if you were going to sea in a c&C 34 (to be clear - a non
kickass boat), I'd recommend you be a rock star bluwater sailor before
attempting that.  Sounds like your friend ain't.  At least not yet.

Please do him a favour and don't encourage him to do this.  He
probably has lots of folks egging him on, but what he needs is someone
talking sense.

Cheers
Colin


On 8/31/13, Jack Brennan  wrote:
> If you can ever find it, get a copy of a 1970s book called The Voyage of Sea
> Lion.
>
> It was written by an eccentric screenwriter named Will Corry, who composed
> the first car-chase movie, a cult classic called Two-Lane Blacktop. He used
> the money to buy an old wooden sailboat, a daysailer, and head out across
> the Pacific with his toddler daughter following his divorce.
>
> He had never sailed before.
>
> Reading the book is like watching a traffic accident unfold before your
> eyes. You want to reach through the pages and shake the guy, saying what the
> hell are you doing? Somehow, he made it to Australia before being convinced
> that he was going to kill himself and his daughter. Polynesian women kept
> trying to spirit his daughter away from him, fearful for her life, along the
> way.
>
> From the book, he appeared clueless about the dangers.
>
> After I read it, I tried to figure out what ever happened to the guy. No
> trace of him or his daughter anywhere. Just random mentions about his cult
> screenplay on movie sites. Strange.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Former C&C 25
> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
>
> From: Dennis C.
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:47 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34
>
> Ah, men and their dreams.  A couple months after I bought my first monohull,
> an O'Day 27 with an inboard AT4, an article came out in a regional sailing
> magazine about a guy who had bought a sistership but with an outboard.  He
> was going to sail it to some Scandinavian country.  He left Mandeville,
> sailed into a storm off the Mississippi coast, battled the weather for 20 or
> 30 hours and finally washed up on the Chandeleur Islands off the Louisiana
> coast.  The magazine showed a picture of the boat on its side well above the
> surf line.
>
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> --
>   From: Edd Schillay 
>   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:59 AM
>   Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34
>
>
>   Brent,
>
>   I know people have made trips across the ocean in rowboats, but I can't
> express enough how much I agree with John and Maryann. As someone who owned
> a 1978 C&C34 for many, many years (it was the Enterprise-A), we got to know
> the strengths, weaknesses and limitations of the boat very well.
>
>   Over the course of our ownership, we took her a few times on the Around
> Long Island Regatta, the first half of which is run on the ocean-side of
> Long Island. As John and Maryann state, in light air and a little chop, the
> C&C34 will move like a dream. In heavy air and high waves, you'll actually
> hear the hull "crunching" under the stress. In one of those races, we were
> up against 18-25 winds with 9-foot waves and, after a few miles, we all
> thought it would be safest to turn around. We call that one the 5% Around
> Long Island Regatta.
>
>   I have almost 40 years of sailing experience. I would not want to do any
> ocean voyages on a C&C34.
>
>
>
>   All the best,
>
>   Edd
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 34

[Jim R.]

I'll have to echo as well.  I own a 1982 C&C 34 w/centerboard.  Great boat for 
the Chesapeake and good all around coastal cruiser, emphasis on the coastal.  
She has a large cockpit, with limited water and fuel tanks.  I have owned her 
for 12 years but I would not entertain an ocean crossing cruise in her.  When 
taking on mother nature, caution should be the word.  Regards,  Jim
 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Colin Kilgour 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2013 12:05 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34


I'd echo some of what others have said... Most boats, if well
prepared, can handle bluewater voyages.  However, some boats are more
comfy at sea than others and a non-bluewater boat (say a C&C34) can
beat the hell out of a crew. So while any boat - in theory - could
sail bluewater  a C&C 34 would be well down the list of boats that I'd
want to go to sea in.

Also, a good boat can (often, but not always) cover a rookie sailor's
ass.  We met a few families in the Carib who were newbie sailors but
managed to cross over from Europe on a kickass boat.

However, if you were going to sea in a c&C 34 (to be clear - a non
kickass boat), I'd recommend you be a rock star bluwater sailor before
attempting that.  Sounds like your friend ain't.  At least not yet.

Please do him a favour and don't encourage him to do this.  He
probably has lots of folks egging him on, but what he needs is someone
talking sense.

Cheers
Colin


On 8/31/13, Jack Brennan  wrote:
> If you can ever find it, get a copy of a 1970s book called The Voyage of Sea
> Lion.
>
> It was written by an eccentric screenwriter named Will Corry, who composed
> the first car-chase movie, a cult classic called Two-Lane Blacktop. He used
> the money to buy an old wooden sailboat, a daysailer, and head out across
> the Pacific with his toddler daughter following his divorce.
>
> He had never sailed before.
>
> Reading the book is like watching a traffic accident unfold before your
> eyes. You want to reach through the pages and shake the guy, saying what the
> hell are you doing? Somehow, he made it to Australia before being convinced
> that he was going to kill himself and his daughter. Polynesian women kept
> trying to spirit his daughter away from him, fearful for her life, along the
> way.
>
> From the book, he appeared clueless about the dangers.
>
> After I read it, I tried to figure out what ever happened to the guy. No
> trace of him or his daughter anywhere. Just random mentions about his cult
> screenplay on movie sites. Strange.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Former C&C 25
> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
>
> From: Dennis C.
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:47 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34
>
> Ah, men and their dreams.  A couple months after I bought my first monohull,
> an O'Day 27 with an inboard AT4, an article came out in a regional sailing
> magazine about a guy who had bought a sistership but with an outboard.  He
> was going to sail it to some Scandinavian country.  He left Mandeville,
> sailed into a storm off the Mississippi coast, battled the weather for 20 or
> 30 hours and finally washed up on the Chandeleur Islands off the Louisiana
> coast.  The magazine showed a picture of the boat on its side well above the
> surf line.
>
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> --
>   From: Edd Schillay 
>   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:59 AM
>   Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34
>
>
>   Brent,
>
>   I know people have made trips across the ocean in rowboats, but I can't
> express enough how much I agree with John and Maryann. As someone who owned
> a 1978 C&C34 for many, many years (it was the Enterprise-A), we got to know
> the strengths, weaknesses and limitations of the boat very well.
>
>   Over the course of our ownership, we took her a few times on the Around
> Long Island Regatta, the first half of which is run on the ocean-side of
> Long Island. As John and Maryann state, in light air and a little chop, the
> C&C34 will move like a dream. In heavy air and high waves, you'll actually
> hear the hull "crunching" under the stress. In one of those races, we were
> up against 18-25 winds with 9-foot waves and, after a few miles, we all
> thought it would be safest to turn around. We call that one the 5% Around
> Long Island Regatta.
>
>   I have almost 40 years of sailing experience. I would not want to do any
> ocean voyages on a C&C34.
>
>
>
>   All the best,
>
>   Edd
>
>
>
> 
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