Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

[dwight veinot]

Based on my experience, I would say if it's a depth transducer install it on
the inside of your hull and either don't cut a new hole or plug the one you
have already.  Find a nice spot on the inside, close where you want it
located, clean the area with solvent, let it dry and then apply a really
generous gob of Dow Corning silicone sealant and submerge the active face of
the transducer in it while holding on a slight angle to make sure you don't
trap air bubbles, then press it down hard and hold there for a while.  I did
it that way based on information I got from this list because my Raymarine
depth transducer was not reliable.it has worked flawlessly to over 200 feet
(my boat draws about 6) for over 2 years and I have one less hole in the
boat.I am happy

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Sent: April 12, 2013 10:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List New through hull transducer

 

Good evening. I AM HOPING TO INSTALL A NEW THROUGH HULL TRANSDUCER this
weekend. What marine sealant would you suggest?

 

Thank you.

 

John on Oxygen

 

 

 

 

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 Original message 
From: Brent Driedger  
Date: 04-12-2013 6:58 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video 



I tend to agree Dwight. 

That's a gripping video and reminds me of a very similar situation I got
myself into last year minus the crushed legs. I was being too aggressive,
boats touched and although no protest came of it, I was at fault and should
have bailed when I was getting squeezed out  of the pack before the
committee boat. 

On the deck after the race much discussion was held and I insisted I could
not change course for I would have rammed the committee boat but later when
the photos came out I realized I had plenty of time to abandon the start and
not look like a knob. 

The point is at speed within lengths of the line and adrenaline is up with a
bunch of fast boats a nose blow apart, it's easy to make a decision that you
wished you hadn't after the fact and unfortunately the only solution to this
is experience. 

On the plus side the event was educational, provided lively beer talk and no
damage was done. 

 

Brent

27-5

Lake Winnipeg

Sent from my iPhone


On 2013-04-12, at 5:25 PM, dwight veinot 
wrote:

Blue was close hauled with lots of power, what looks like an uncoordinated
crew and in close quarters. She was give way boat and it looks to me like
she was barging the line hell bent to get across inside of what looks like
the committee boat, and ahead and to windward of the fleet.   If she went up
hard she either had to tack away or risk ramming what I think is the
committee boat.  I can't tell if the leeward boat had room to fall off
safely to avoid collision with blue without making a collision with the boat
below her, looks like she was being taken up too. I heard now up now up now
up now up so someone on Blue knew they were being taken up but I don't think
the helmsman or the crew acted soon enough or fast enough.  The helmsman's
effort to steer up seemed ineffective, not much of a rudder on that boat if
you ask me.  The mainsail trimmer tensioned for more close hauled course and
looks like the jib trimmer did the same.seems like the crew did not know how
to sail that boat under those conditions in close quarters.they did not
appear to know what to expect from the boat and the crew.if I turned the
wheel that aggressively on my 35 I feel certain she would go up, now I have
to try that to find out for sure and ruin a perfectly nice beat some day.
Haven't raced in a while. what is in the rule about barging

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Bergen
Sent: April 12, 2013 6:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

After the preparatory signal (boats are now racing and must sail by the
racing rules) but before the starting signal, the leeward boat can sail all
the way up to head to wind.  After the starting signal, she cannot sail
higher than close hauled.  Boats must still avoid contact if at all
possible.  Crossing the starting line has no effect on how rules 11 and 14
are applied.  

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

 

Alan,

 

Does Dave Perry's 2016 RRoS book clarify the difference, if any, between
before the start and after crossing the starting line regarding Rule 11 and
14?

 

It has been a while since I read Dave's last RRoS book but I recall
something about the right-of-way boat having more flexibility before the
starting gun. 

 

Martin

Calypso

1970 C&C 43

Seattle

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Bergen
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 

Re: Stus-List Race Video

[dwight veinot]

No you are not missing something, that was my point too, my boats has a
tendency on high power beat to close reach to help me do that, round up.that
helps with the tack

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S
Sent: April 12, 2013 10:42 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

Good points.  
Another option:  I setup Resolute to singlehand, so I can dump the main
myself while steering from behind the wheel.  
I have three choices, 
1) drop the traveller by releasing the windward crosshaul line.  That's how
we start our turn round the windward mark.  Mainsail trimmer or myself,   
2) release the 24:1 finetune from either side.  That's sweet.
3) reach in front of the wheel and ease the 6:1 mainsheet.  This is a little
harder.

Question: didn't think you needed to ease the main to turn upwind?  Am I
missing something?  Should ease the jib sheet.

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ

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From: "dwight veinot" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:47:32 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video




Martin

 

I don't have a race crew anymore, I don't race my boat and I don't race
anymore period.  I got all filled up with handicap racing.

 

Under those conditions I think my boat might have a tendency to want to
round up.I might have some weather helm but not too much.she would have a
tendency to go up into the wind and that would help me to tack away... I
think it would be relatively easy to go up and tack if not for another boat
in the way, the committee boat in this case.  It did not look like they
eased the main.  I know that I would not have been comfortable on that boat
with that crew in close quarters approaching the start line under full
power.no trophy is worth that much to me anymore.I have mellowed a bit with
age and when I sail now I enjoy it more than racing.race committee telling
me where to go and making things as hard as possible on me by allowing other
boats to get near me and try to take my wind and slow me down every chance
they get etc..not for me anymore

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin
DeYoung
Sent: April 12, 2013 8:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

>> .if I turned the wheel that aggressively on my 35 I feel certain she
would go up, now I have to try that to find out for sure and ruin a
perfectly nice beat someday. <<

 

A few years back racing Calypso double-handed in a fully crewed C/R fleet we
found the point at which the mainsail overcame the rudder.  The wind was
brisk enough for Calypso to be fully powered up, full mainsail and heavy #1
(150%).

 

Short tacking the Bainbridge Island shore to stay out of adverse current, on
Port we planned to duck a slightly smaller Stbd tacker.  Calypso's co-owner,
Michael was driving, I was trimming both sails.  As we bore off I had a
little difficulty in easing the main about the time a gust rolled through.
Calypso heeled enough to stall the rudder.  The mainsail took over control
and the boat began to round up to windward.

 

I clearly recall the wide eyes in the cockpit of the Stbd tacker as
24,000lbs of angry, foaming at the mouth C&C was pointed right at them.
Fortunately I got the main eased and Michael pumped the rudder several time
to re-establish flow and control in time to pass safely astern of the Stbd
tacker.  After that close call we throttled back a little and left more
space for crossing.

 

Dwight, I recommend practicing this type of windward round up to learn how
your 35 MKII handles at the edge of control before a close crossing
situation develops.  Having your race crew part of the practice to get the
feel of a rudder stall and quick rotation to windward.  Having some practice
will help them concentrate on a quick recovery when time is tight.  It can
be expensive if a crew freezes instead of easing a sheet.

 

Martin

Calypso

1970 C&C 43

Seattle

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
veinot
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

Blue was close hauled with lots of power, what looks like an uncoordinated
crew and in close quarters. She was give way boat and it looks to me like
she was barging the line hell bent to get across inside of what looks like
the committee boat, and ahead and to windward of the fleet.   If she went up
hard she either had to tack away or risk ramming what I think is the
committee boat.  I can't tell if the leeward boat had room to fall off
safely to avoid collision with blue without making a collision with the boat
below her, looks like she was being taken up too. I heard now up now up now
up now up so someone on Blue knew they were being taken up but I don't think
th

Re: Stus-List Race Video

[dwight veinot]

I don't have to ease the main in any way to make a tack, do you?

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Bergen
Sent: April 12, 2013 10:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

Instead of easing the mainsheet, it's usually easier and faster to ease the
traveler.  It's also faster returning the main to it's proper position after
you regain control.  In that kind of situation,  It's helpful to get the
crew on the rail on the windward quarter.

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

 

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>> .if I turned the wheel that aggressively on my 35 I feel certain she
would go up, now I have to try that to find out for sure and ruin a
perfectly nice beat someday. <<

 

A few years back racing Calypso double-handed in a fully crewed C/R fleet we
found the point at which the mainsail overcame the rudder.  The wind was
brisk enough for Calypso to be fully powered up, full mainsail and heavy #1
(150%).

 

Short tacking the Bainbridge Island shore to stay out of adverse current, on
Port we planned to duck a slightly smaller Stbd tacker.  Calypso's co-owner,
Michael was driving, I was trimming both sails.  As we bore off I had a
little difficulty in easing the main about the time a gust rolled through.
Calypso heeled enough to stall the rudder.  The mainsail took over control
and the boat began to round up to windward.

 

I clearly recall the wide eyes in the cockpit of the Stbd tacker as
24,000lbs of angry, foaming at the mouth C&C was pointed right at them.
Fortunately I got the main eased and Michael pumped the rudder several time
to re-establish flow and control in time to pass safely astern of the Stbd
tacker.  After that close call we throttled back a little and left more
space for crossing.

 

Dwight, I recommend practicing this type of windward round up to learn how
your 35 MKII handles at the edge of control before a close crossing
situation develops.  Having your race crew part of the practice to get the
feel of a rudder stall and quick rotation to windward.  Having some practice
will help them concentrate on a quick recovery when time is tight.  It can
be expensive if a crew freezes instead of easing a sheet.

 

Martin

Calypso

1970 C&C 43

Seattle

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Re: Stus-List Fwd: More on Race Collision and Protest Decision

[dwight veinot]

He is very well informed on terminology and that is great but I still call
it barging the line.I am not a judge and I avoided protest hearings but I
did study the rules of racing a while back.I think I knew when I had to give
way and that was the most important thing for me to know after my first and
only low speed collision with another boat.I was in the wrong but no big
damage and no injury.I can't talk with the proper terminology because I did
try to learn that and I can't cite the rules by number but I think I
understand them.I would be prepared to do that if I raced and wanted to get
into protest hearings.I don't want that anymore

 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Nelson
Sent: April 12, 2013 10:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: More on Race Collision and Protest Decision

 

These comments may be relevant regarding the protest results. I did not
review the video enough to comment. Perhaps the list might chime in.

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

C&C 36 XL/kcb

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Kirsch 
Date: April 12, 2013, 3:05:53 PM EDT
To: 
Subject: More on Race Collision and Protest Decision
Reply-To: "Bill Kirsch" 

ODC MEMBERSHIP 

The message below was sent a couple of days ago to all ODC club members

 

There have been a few interesting e-mails regarding this and those
interchanges brought out good points that should be noted:

 

1. Barging is a term commonly used, however it is not a proper term in the
Racing Rules.  This is an excellent example of not keeping clear.  Barging
should not have been referenced.

 

2. The protest committee's ruling was that BLUE was scored DNF - Did Not
Finish.  Several of us take issue with this since BLUE was OCS - On Course
Side at the start signal and did not return to start correctly.  Therefore
how could she be scored DNF?  She didn't start .. At best you'd call her
OCS.

 

3. Since BLUE was ruled as not keeping clear and significant damage to boat
and personnel, she should have been scored DSQ - Disqualified.  See RRS 64.1

 

4. Take note that this race occurred in April, 2013.  The NOR stated that
the race would be run under the RRS of 2009-2012 while the S/I's stated the
RRS of 2013-2016.  For the most part ODC has been writing our NOR's and
S/I's stating that the race is run under the Racing Rules of Sailing.  We do
not include the year since there are only one set of rules in effect - the
current ones.  It is possible that a race, say in January, 2013, could be
run under the previous rules because the new rule books may not have had
time to get to all of the racing community.  In that case it would be
necessary to specifically state that the rules being used are the previous
ones eg: Racing Rules of Sailing 2009-2012.


Bill
kirsch...@gmail.com


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Re: Stus-List Race Video

[Dennis C.]

Rick,

You're not missing anything.  I think I confused everyone by my comments about 
ducking, when you REALLY need to ease the main in order to come down, and this 
situation when a tight main MAY affect the steering when the boat really wants 
to come up.  In this situation, the tight main may be overpowering the steering 
and creating a stalling condition in the rudder.  It shouldn't prevent the boat 
from coming up, however, it may affect the effective control of the boat as it 
does come up.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





>
> From: Rick Brass 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 10:34 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video
> 
>
>
>I don’t think you’re missing anything. I’ve been trying to understand the 
>comment that the main being trimmed in tight could have overwhelmed the 
>steering. I may be missing something, but 45 years of sailing tells me I’m not.
> 
>Blue was close hauled on STBD, with the main in tight. That means weather helm 
>– or at best neutral helm. Just 10 or 15 seconds before the collision you see 
>the helmsman make a big wheel movement to turn down, which I suspect was to 
>overcome the weather helm. Had he left the wheel alone (or made smaller 
>steering correction) the boat would have come up on her own.
> 
>The other comments describing the main overcoming the steering (and this has 
>probably happened at one time or another to all of us) have all described 
>crossing/ducking situations, when the main caused the boat to turn up when it 
>was undesirable.
> 
>Rick Brass
> 
>From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S
>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:42 PM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video
> 
>
>
>Question: didn't think you needed to ease the main to turn upwind?  Am I 
>missing something?  Should ease the jib sheet.
>Chuck
>Resolute
>1990 C&C 34R
>Atlantic City, NJ
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Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting

[Graham Collins]

Hi Russ
You have the essential difference correct, the larger LED allows more 
light / area, but at a cost of more power.  The larger LEDs are a good 
choice if you are making something like an LED flashlight where you want 
to pack the most light into a tight area.  The 3528 size is probably the 
most common size though, which translates into lower cost per lumen to 
make them.


For a yacht, you need to consider how much light you need and how it 
will show - a strip of densely packed 3528 LEDs will give a more even 
light than a strip of sparsely packed 5050s.  In the case where I have 
replaced a florescent light with a strip of 3528s, the lights are behind 
a diffuser and the 3528s are close enough together that it gives a 
pretty even light, whereas the 5050s would have been visible as a bunch 
of discreet sources.  So an esthetic consideration.


The other thing is that the 5050s will generate more heat than the 
3528s, and since there is likely no provision made for heatsinking I 
would expect the 5050s to start burning out before the 3528s. But not a 
significant issue.


I build electronics for a living, and we build LED panels at work for 
commercial signage, and use 3528s on a grid of about 1" spacing.  
Customer is very happy with them.  5050s would make the illumination 
blotchy, we would not want that.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2013-04-12 12:56 PM, Russ & Melody wrote:


What are the practical differences between the two? (more LEDs but 
smaller vs larger LEDs & slightly higher consumption)


Can you say if one is clearly better for use on yachts?

Cheers,  Russ
/Sweet /35 mk-1

At 10:15 AM 11/04/2013, you wrote:

This site lists the specs for the 5050 and 3258 type:
http://www.ledlightsworld.com/page.html?id=32 



Steve
C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Josh Muckley > wrote:


Sorry try this link instead


https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yaldRek85bXUzenc&usp=sharing



On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Josh Muckley
mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>> wrote:


No not too bad.  Especially considering its 5 meters of LED's.

The vinyl coating is a little odd.  It is tacky. Almost like
it is still gooey.  Kinda reminds me of the transparent gummy
key rings that businesses sometimes give out as advertising.

They have a peal and stick backing which is nice but I have
little hope will last.  A staple gun while probably be the
best backup to the adhesive.

The real that they come on is surprisingly small.  Its hard
to believe that there is actually 5 meters there.

https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yaldRek85bXUzenc/edit


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

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On Apr 11, 2013 10:54 AM, "Tim Sippel"
mailto:tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com>> wrote:


That's not terrible, thanks for the info !



Tim

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] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting



Just checked the amps for the whole roll.  Came out to
1.5amps

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On Apr 11, 2013 10:14 AM, "Tim Sippel"
mailto:tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com>> wrote:

Does anybody know how many amps these strips draw , it
has to be miniscule right ?



Tim Sippel
33mkii Matco
Toronto


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] On Behalf Of
Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting



The chinese made ebay 5m strips are cuttable at 3"
intervals. I'm waiting for mine too.



Steve

C&C 32

Toronto



On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Joel Aronson
mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
wrote:

Edd,



I'll let you know in a couple weeks.  I am hoping they
can be cut and spliced like Josh's.



Joel

35/3

Annapolis



On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Edd Sch

Re: Stus-List Exploding Battery

[Jake Brodersen]

Alan,

 

Thanks for the kudos.  It was an exciting moment during and otherwise routine 
Wednesday night race.  One of my crew owns the boat on which the incident 
happened.  He is a fairly new boat owner and is still learning the ropes on 
boat maintenance.  Checking the electrolyte level in the batteries should be 
done regularly, if the caps are removable.

 

I don’t think this type of incident would happen to an AGM or gel battery.  
There is very little air space inside of those for the accumulation of 
explosive gases.  I’m not saying it couldn’t happen, but it is probably much 
less likely.  Of course, look at the Dreamliner battery issues.  Now there are 
some serious problems… 

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:58 PM
To: C&C Photoalbum email list
Subject: Stus-List Exploding Battery

 

Good letter from Jake about an exploding battery on his boat, in Seaworthy 
Magazine (BoatUS Insurance magazine).  Glad everyone was safe, and no damage to 
your boat.  Can that happen to an AGM battery?

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

 

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Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

[Jake Brodersen]

I would go with Lifecaulk or Lifeseal.  4200 will work as well, if not better.  
Once you install one of these, they tend to stay in the hull a long time.

 

Jake

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jmckay533
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List New through hull transducer

 

Good evening. I AM HOPING TO INSTALL A NEW THROUGH HULL TRANSDUCER this 
weekend. What marine sealant would you suggest?

 

Thank you.

 

John on Oxygen

 

 

 

 

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 Original message 
From: Brent Driedger  
Date: 04-12-2013 6:58 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video 



I tend to agree Dwight. 

That's a gripping video and reminds me of a very similar situation I got myself 
into last year minus the crushed legs. I was being too aggressive, boats 
touched and although no protest came of it, I was at fault and should have 
bailed when I was getting squeezed out  of the pack before the committee boat. 

On the deck after the race much discussion was held and I insisted I could not 
change course for I would have rammed the committee boat but later when the 
photos came out I realized I had plenty of time to abandon the start and not 
look like a knob. 

The point is at speed within lengths of the line and adrenaline is up with a 
bunch of fast boats a nose blow apart, it's easy to make a decision that you 
wished you hadn't after the fact and unfortunately the only solution to this is 
experience. 

On the plus side the event was educational, provided lively beer talk and no 
damage was done. 

 

Brent

27-5

Lake Winnipeg

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On 2013-04-12, at 5:25 PM, dwight veinot  wrote:

Blue was close hauled with lots of power, what looks like an uncoordinated crew 
and in close quarters. She was give way boat and it looks to me like she was 
barging the line hell bent to get across inside of what looks like the 
committee boat, and ahead and to windward of the fleet.   If she went up hard 
she either had to tack away or risk ramming what I think is the committee boat. 
 I can’t tell if the leeward boat had room to fall off safely to avoid 
collision with blue without making a collision with the boat below her, looks 
like she was being taken up too. I heard now up now up now up now up so someone 
on Blue knew they were being taken up but I don’t think the helmsman or the 
crew acted soon enough or fast enough.  The helmsman’s effort to steer up 
seemed ineffective, not much of a rudder on that boat if you ask me.  The 
mainsail trimmer tensioned for more close hauled course and looks like the jib 
trimmer did the same…seems like the crew did not know how to sail that boat 
under those conditions in close quarters…they did not appear to know what to 
expect from the boat and the crew…if I turned the wheel that aggressively on my 
35 I feel certain she would go up, now I have to try that to find out for sure 
and ruin a perfectly nice beat some day.  Haven’t raced in a while… what is in 
the rule about barging

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen
Sent: April 12, 2013 6:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

After the preparatory signal (boats are now racing and must sail by the racing 
rules) but before the starting signal, the leeward boat can sail all the way up 
to head to wind.  After the starting signal, she cannot sail higher than close 
hauled.  Boats must still avoid contact if at all possible.  Crossing the 
starting line has no effect on how rules 11 and 14 are applied.  

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

 

Alan,

 

Does Dave Perry’s 2016 RRoS book clarify the difference, if any, between before 
the start and after crossing the starting line regarding Rule 11 and 14?

 

It has been a while since I read Dave’s last RRoS book but I recall something 
about the right-of-way boat having more flexibility before the starting gun. 

 

Martin

Calypso

1970 C&C 43

Seattle

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

Blue was allowed to sail her course until she was the give-way boat.  As soon 
as she overlapped Camelot, she was the give-way boat, and had to keep clear.  
When a give-way boat is so close to a right-of-way boat, such that the 
right-of-way boat cannot turn in either direction without immediately touching 
the give-way boat, the give-way boat has violated her obligation to keep clear. 
 They do not have to touch in order to prove that Blue did not keep clear.  See 
Dave Perry's "Understanding The Racing Rules of Sailing through 2016, page 96.  
In addition, the right-of-way boat must take the appropriate action to avoid 

Re: Stus-List Race Video

[dwight veinot]

Dennis

 

Maybe so but it did not appear to me as if the boat wanted to go up on its
own, even without a turn to the rudder  I would have expected it to have a
weather helm under those conditions that would cause it to round up.  The
helmsman appeared to steer hard to bring her up but no change.almost like
the steering cable broke or slipped or something.that's why I said
ineffective rudder control

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: April 13, 2013 8:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

Rick,

You're not missing anything.  I think I confused everyone by my comments
about ducking, when you REALLY need to ease the main in order to come down,
and this situation when a tight main MAY affect the steering when the boat
really wants to come up.  In this situation, the tight main may be
overpowering the steering and creating a stalling condition in the rudder.
It shouldn't prevent the boat from coming up, however, it may affect the
effective control of the boat as it does come up.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

 

 


  _  


From: Rick Brass 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

I don't think you're missing anything. I've been trying to understand the
comment that the main being trimmed in tight could have overwhelmed the
steering. I may be missing something, but 45 years of sailing tells me I'm
not.

 

Blue was close hauled on STBD, with the main in tight. That means weather
helm - or at best neutral helm. Just 10 or 15 seconds before the collision
you see the helmsman make a big wheel movement to turn down, which I suspect
was to overcome the weather helm. Had he left the wheel alone (or made
smaller steering correction) the boat would have come up on her own.

 

The other comments describing the main overcoming the steering (and this has
probably happened at one time or another to all of us) have all described
crossing/ducking situations, when the main caused the boat to turn up when
it was undesirable.

 

Rick Brass

 

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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:42 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 



Question: didn't think you needed to ease the main to turn upwind?  Am I
missing something?  Should ease the jib sheet.

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ

 


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Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

[dwight veinot]

Maybe.but I don't know if the signal will go thru lifecaulk or lifeseal.I
know for certain it will go thru dow Corning silicone sealant. This year I
will mount another transducer in epoxy on the interior of the hull forward
of the mast.I prefer it forward and I don't mind having redundancy for that
transducer

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake
Brodersen
Sent: April 13, 2013 8:59 AM
To: 'jmckay533'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

 

I would go with Lifecaulk or Lifeseal.  4200 will work as well, if not
better.  Once you install one of these, they tend to stay in the hull a long
time.

 

Jake

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jmckay533
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List New through hull transducer

 

Good evening. I AM HOPING TO INSTALL A NEW THROUGH HULL TRANSDUCER this
weekend. What marine sealant would you suggest?

 

Thank you.

 

John on Oxygen

 

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung tablet




 Original message 
From: Brent Driedger  
Date: 04-12-2013 6:58 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video 

I tend to agree Dwight. 

That's a gripping video and reminds me of a very similar situation I got
myself into last year minus the crushed legs. I was being too aggressive,
boats touched and although no protest came of it, I was at fault and should
have bailed when I was getting squeezed out  of the pack before the
committee boat. 

On the deck after the race much discussion was held and I insisted I could
not change course for I would have rammed the committee boat but later when
the photos came out I realized I had plenty of time to abandon the start and
not look like a knob. 

The point is at speed within lengths of the line and adrenaline is up with a
bunch of fast boats a nose blow apart, it's easy to make a decision that you
wished you hadn't after the fact and unfortunately the only solution to this
is experience. 

On the plus side the event was educational, provided lively beer talk and no
damage was done. 

 

Brent

27-5

Lake Winnipeg

Sent from my iPhone


On 2013-04-12, at 5:25 PM, dwight veinot 
wrote:

Blue was close hauled with lots of power, what looks like an uncoordinated
crew and in close quarters. She was give way boat and it looks to me like
she was barging the line hell bent to get across inside of what looks like
the committee boat, and ahead and to windward of the fleet.   If she went up
hard she either had to tack away or risk ramming what I think is the
committee boat.  I can't tell if the leeward boat had room to fall off
safely to avoid collision with blue without making a collision with the boat
below her, looks like she was being taken up too. I heard now up now up now
up now up so someone on Blue knew they were being taken up but I don't think
the helmsman or the crew acted soon enough or fast enough.  The helmsman's
effort to steer up seemed ineffective, not much of a rudder on that boat if
you ask me.  The mainsail trimmer tensioned for more close hauled course and
looks like the jib trimmer did the same.seems like the crew did not know how
to sail that boat under those conditions in close quarters.they did not
appear to know what to expect from the boat and the crew.if I turned the
wheel that aggressively on my 35 I feel certain she would go up, now I have
to try that to find out for sure and ruin a perfectly nice beat some day.
Haven't raced in a while. what is in the rule about barging

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Bergen
Sent: April 12, 2013 6:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

After the preparatory signal (boats are now racing and must sail by the
racing rules) but before the starting signal, the leeward boat can sail all
the way up to head to wind.  After the starting signal, she cannot sail
higher than close hauled.  Boats must still avoid contact if at all
possible.  Crossing the starting line has no effect on how rules 11 and 14
are applied.  

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

 

Alan,

 

Does Dave Perry's 2016 RRoS book clarify the difference, if any, between
before the start and after crossing the starting line regarding Rule 11 and
14?

 

It has been a while since I read Dave's last RRoS book but I recall
something about the right-of-way boat having more flexibility before the
starting gun. 

 

Martin

Calypso

1970 C&C 43

Seattle

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Bergen
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

 

Blue was allowed to sail her course until she was the give-way b

Re: Stus-List Race Video (Now Mainsheet Cleat)

[Harry Hallgring]

Mirage has a pretty typical two-speed Harken main sheet system with cam cleat. 
The cleat is facing down, so releasing is downward.  When loaded it's not 
always easy to release in a hurry. My last boat had a Spinlock main sheet cleat 
but I can't seem to find one big enough. Does anyone have their cam cleat 
upside down (maybe hard to cleat) or know about the Spinlock styles as a better 
alternative? 

Harry

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 13, 2013, at 4:47 AM, "Dennis C."  wrote:

> Rick,
> 
> You're not missing anything.  I think I confused everyone by my comments 
> about ducking, when you REALLY need to ease the main in order to come down, 
> and this situation when a tight main MAY affect the steering when the boat 
> really wants to come up.  In this situation, the tight main may be 
> overpowering the steering and creating a stalling condition in the rudder.  
> It shouldn't prevent the boat from coming up, however, it may affect the 
> effective control of the boat as it does come up.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> 
> From: Rick Brass 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 10:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video
> 
> I don’t think you’re missing anything. I’ve been trying to understand the 
> comment that the main being trimmed in tight could have overwhelmed the 
> steering. I may be missing something, but 45 years of sailing tells me I’m 
> not.
>  
> Blue was close hauled on STBD, with the main in tight. That means weather 
> helm – or at best neutral helm. Just 10 or 15 seconds before the collision 
> you see the helmsman make a big wheel movement to turn down, which I suspect 
> was to overcome the weather helm. Had he left the wheel alone (or made 
> smaller steering correction) the boat would have come up on her own.
>  
> The other comments describing the main overcoming the steering (and this has 
> probably happened at one time or another to all of us) have all described 
> crossing/ducking situations, when the main caused the boat to turn up when it 
> was undesirable.
>  
> Rick Brass
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:42 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video
>  
> 
> 
> Question: didn't think you needed to ease the main to turn upwind?  Am I 
> missing something?  Should ease the jib sheet.
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
>  
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Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

[Bill Bina]

  
  
I used to mount them inside the hull in
  a blob of clear silicone, until I had a couple of cases where
  after a year, or two, or three, the face of the transducer would
  separate slightly from the silicone and stop working, either
  intermittently, or completely. You couldn't tell by looking at it,
  but I could make it start and stop by wiggling the cable slightly.
  I guess the smooth lens didn't bond all that well, and vibration
  eventually did it's thing and created an air gap. I remounted the
  ones that failed using West System epoxy, and have had no further
  trouble after many years. For epoxy, you have to make a dam around
  the area to create a pool, but even kids modeling clay will work
  for that. Some of the ones I mounted in silicone for other people
  are working fine after many years, but I don't do it that way any
  longer.
  
  Bill Bina
  
  On 4/13/2013 8:05 AM, dwight veinot wrote:


  
  
  

  

  
  
  
Maybe…but I
  don’t know if the signal
  will go thru lifecaulk or lifeseal…I know for
  certain it will go thru dow
  Corning silicone sealant… This year I will mount
  another transducer in epoxy on
  the interior of the hull forward of the mast…I
  prefer it forward and I don’t
  mind having redundancy for that transducer
 

  Dwight
Veinot
  C&C
35 MKII, Alianna
  Head of
St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  

  
  From:
CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Behalf Of Jake Brodersen
Sent:
April 13, 2013 8:59 AM
To:
'jmckay533'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List New through
hull transducer

 
I
  would go with Lifecaulk or Lifeseal.  4200 will
  work as well, if not
  better.  Once you install one of these, they tend
  to stay in the hull a
  long time.
 
Jake
 

  
From:
  CnC-List
  [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
  Behalf Of jmckay533
  Sent:
  Friday, April 12, 2013 9:36
  PM
  To:
  cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject:
  Stus-List New through
  hull transducer
  

 

  Good evening. I AM
HOPING
TO INSTALL A NEW THROUGH HULL TRANSDUCER this
weekend. What marine sealant
would you suggest?


   


  Thank you.


   


  John on Oxygen


   


   


   


   


  
Sent from Samsung
  tablet
  


  
  
   Original message 
  From: Brent Driedger
   
  Date: 04-12-2013 6:58 PM (GMT-05:00) 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video 

  I tend to agree
Dwight. 


  That's a gripping video
and reminds me of a very similar situation I got
myself into last year minus the
crushed legs. I was being too aggressive, boats
   

Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

[dwight veinot]

Yes Bill, I could not remember who but I guess it was your advice that I
intend to follow this year with the epoxy mount.I have 2 transducers and a
quick change over capability because I only have one readout unit, so I am
interested to have one forward of the mast where I believe the transducer
should be.it will become my regular if the install goes well

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
Sent: April 13, 2013 9:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

 

I used to mount them inside the hull in a blob of clear silicone, until I
had a couple of cases where after a year, or two, or three, the face of the
transducer would separate slightly from the silicone and stop working,
either intermittently, or completely. You couldn't tell by looking at it,
but I could make it start and stop by wiggling the cable slightly. I guess
the smooth lens didn't bond all that well, and vibration eventually did it's
thing and created an air gap. I remounted the ones that failed using West
System epoxy, and have had no further trouble after many years. For epoxy,
you have to make a dam around the area to create a pool, but even kids
modeling clay will work for that. Some of the ones I mounted in silicone for
other people are working fine after many years, but I don't do it that way
any longer.

Bill Bina

On 4/13/2013 8:05 AM, dwight veinot wrote:

Maybe.but I don't know if the signal will go thru lifecaulk or lifeseal.I
know for certain it will go thru dow Corning silicone sealant. This year I
will mount another transducer in epoxy on the interior of the hull forward
of the mast.I prefer it forward and I don't mind having redundancy for that
transducer

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Stus-List 'Complete' C&C-34 model rundown !

[craig montague]

List mates,
 
It seams Fred has come up with the definitive paper work explanation the 
anatomy of this 35-5' sailboat. Good on ya Fred for sharing. So, who's 34r is, 
are was, the number # 7 R,boat owner??  My boat is # 6, and now in Washington 
state. Found paper work, showing it was outfitted in Illinois, possibly 
Chicago. 
 
To my eye, the production of this boat, used two different deck molds the 'R' 
then using it as a glass master made the + ; XL models molds by additions to 
the cabin top, with bosses to mount opening ports and a bow anchor locker, and 
finally cockpit coaming changes. These outside changes and interior cruising 
cabinetry must have added about 30K to the boats price.  Working at Express 
sailboats in Santa Cruz we reworked the grand old '37' over by moving the bow 
anchor locker off the nose to starboard walk deck, and I made a plug for an 
elliptical shaped keel minus a bulb.  Once the concrete mold was made up the 
hill at Moores boat yard the number  # 1 keel came in at 4560lbs; as point of 
reference for our 35 footer. Also made an elliptical rudder for the 37. Maybe 3 
of these 37 were made.
 
I report all this as these 37's were annoying hobby horsing boats in the open 
ocean. Deep in the Pacific and in a 'light air' high pressure the very deep, 
about 7 foot keel, would shake off any sail set losing all power.  So my keel 
plug was made a foot shorter a little fat compared to our 35's keel. Ryan's 
"Scapa" 34r is very much what Schoemucker drew for me to build. No bulb, 
straight leading edge, with an elliptical profile.  Last spring I talked with a 
37 owner here in Port Townsend who reported very pleasant behavior offshore,  
Victoria yet not knowing all the history that went in to getting that boats 
sweet grove. Reading about this C&C34's sailing behaviour in this forum makes 
me want to splash my boat tomorrow ! 
 
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Re: Stus-List Race Video; movie reference

[Richard N. Bush]

Rick, the movie is "Fried Green Tomatoes"


Richard
1987 33-II Ohio River


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-Original Message-
From: Rick Brass 
To: wal ; cnc-list 
Sent: Fri, Apr 12, 2013 11:17 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video


I will admit that I have sometimes used the "Tonnage Rule" when racing my 38
to gain an advantage against the typically smaller boats in my area. But
there have been times like you mention, Wal, when someone pisses me off in
situations where the right of way rules are not really important and may be
contrary to good seamanship.

I sometimes recall a scene in a movie I can't recall right now. Two young
girls in a small import zip into a parking space in front of an older woman
in a big a##ed Buick, and taunt her with "We're younger and more
aggressive." After the other woman slams her land yacht into their import,
she says "Yes. But I'm older and have better insurance."

Never done it, but it would be satisfying.

Rick Brass

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally
Bryant
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

Yeah, I actually get really annoyed at folks with Racer Boats who play
right-of-way games.  One time some jerk in a J boat tried to run me into a
pylon of the Golden Gate Bridge, even though I had right-of-way.  I just
wanted to tack, but he wouldn't let me, so I finally luffed up and let him
go, so I could tack over behind him. Then the moron tacked right behind me
to steal my wind, and his whole crew cheered like they had won 
something.   Short guys on big boats...

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Re: Stus-List Racing Rules apps

[Ken Heaton]

This app seems good, we used it last weekend for a Rules and Tactics
seminar (iPad to a video projector): http://www.you-tack.com/youTackPRO.html

"Clinical tests have shown that one of the best treatments for insomnia is
simply reading the Racing Rules of Sailing - they are so boring that most
people go right to sleep. However, if you want to race sailboats, you
simply must understand the rules, and more importantly - how they apply on
the racecourse.

You-Tack Pro, The Racing Sailor's Illustrated Guide, is a new iPhone/iPod
app that truly helps to make the rules understandable, and to make the
learning process fun. It has 42 illustrated situations that will open your
eyes about things that happen regularly on the race course. When I say
illustrated, I mean with both diagrams and video. Plus, there's a quiz
about each of those situations that quickly (and sometimes painfully) lets
you know if you really understand what's going on. And when you get the
quiz answers, there is always a convenient link to the applicable rules.
Nice.

The app also includes the complete rule book including the appendices,
definitions and signals. At $19.95 it is a very easy and fun way to improve
your rules knowledge … and to quickly get into your comfort zone as you
prepare to go into the room."

And for those who still use an actual laptop or desktop computer in their
home like I do (or at work), this one is simple but fun (and free):
http://game.finckh.net/indexe.htm

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia


On 12 April 2013 19:42, Alan Bergen  wrote:

> For those of you who want the racing rules at your fingertips, there are
> apps for the iphone and ipad available from US Sailing at
> store.ussailing.org.  The racing rules are $4.99, and after you download
> the rules, you can add Dave Perry's "Understanding The Racing Rules of
> Sailing" for a few dollars more.  Dave Perry's explanations are attached to
> the rules to which they apply.  The price is the same for US Sailing
> members and non-members.
>
> Alan Bergen
> C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
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Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

[sam . c . salter]

Nobody has mentioned yet that if you ping through the hull, don't mount it over a balsa core.If you have a cored hull, a through hull is pretty much mandatory.If mounting inside, I'd use epoxy. Through hull, I'd use Sikaflex.Sam Salter C&C 26. Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: dwight veinotSent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:39 AMTo: billb...@sbcglobal.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer














Yes Bill, I could not remember who but I
guess it was your advice that I intend to follow this year with the epoxy
mount…I have 2 transducers and a quick change over capability because I
only have one readout unit, so I am interested to have one forward of the mast
where I believe the transducer should be…it will become my regular if the
install goes well

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 







From: CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Bina
Sent: April 13, 2013 9:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New through
hull transducer

 

I used to
mount them inside the hull in a blob of clear silicone, until I had a couple of
cases where after a year, or two, or three, the face of the transducer would
separate slightly from the silicone and stop working, either intermittently, or
completely. You couldn't tell by looking at it, but I could make it start and
stop by wiggling the cable slightly. I guess the smooth lens didn't bond all
that well, and vibration eventually did it's thing and created an air gap. I
remounted the ones that failed using West System epoxy, and have had no further
trouble after many years. For epoxy, you have to make a dam around the area to
create a pool, but even kids modeling clay will work for that. Some of the ones
I mounted in silicone for other people are working fine after many years, but I
don't do it that way any longer.

Bill Bina

On 4/13/2013 8:05 AM, dwight veinot wrote:

Maybe…but
I don’t know if the signal will go thru lifecaulk or lifeseal…I
know for certain it will go thru dow Corning silicone sealant… This year
I will mount another transducer in epoxy on the interior of the hull forward of
the mast…I prefer it forward and I don’t mind having redundancy for
that transducer

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 






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Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

[Russ & Melody]

Hi Dwight,

Don't these inside hull installations need to be 
in a solid layup area and not a cored hull area?


I seemed to remember that detail being part of 
past discussions on this subject.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 12:55 AM 13/04/2013, you wrote:
Based on my experience, I would say if it’s a 
depth transducer install it on the inside of 
your hull and either don’t cut a new hole or 
plug the one you have already.  Find a nice spot 
on the inside, close where you want it located, 
clean the area with solvent, let it dry and then 
apply a really generous gob of Dow Corning 
silicone sealant and submerge the active face of 
the transducer in it while holding on a slight 
angle to make sure you don’t trap air bubbles, 
then press it down hard and hold there for a 
while.  I did it that way based on information I 
got from this list because my Raymarine depth 
transducer was not reliable…it has worked 
flawlessly to over 200 feet (my boat draws about 
6) for over 2 years and I have one less hole in the boat…I am happy


Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List New through hull transducer

Good evening. I AM HOPING TO INSTALL A NEW 
THROUGH HULL TRANSDUCER this weekend. What marine sealant would you suggest?


Thank you.

John on Oxygen




Sent from Samsung tablet



 Original message 
From: Brent Driedger 
Date: 04-12-2013 6:58 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

I tend to agree Dwight.
That's a gripping video and reminds me of a very 
similar situation I got myself into last year 
minus the crushed legs. I was being too 
aggressive, boats touched and although no 
protest came of it, I was at fault and should 
have bailed when I was getting squeezed out  of 
the pack before the committee boat.
On the deck after the race much discussion was 
held and I insisted I could not change course 
for I would have rammed the committee boat but 
later when the photos came out I realized I had 
plenty of time to abandon the start and not look like a knob.
The point is at speed within lengths of the line 
and adrenaline is up with a bunch of fast boats 
a nose blow apart, it's easy to make a decision 
that you wished you hadn't after the fact and 
unfortunately the only solution to this is experience.
On the plus side the event was educational, 
provided lively beer talk and no damage was done.


Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-04-12, at 5:25 PM, dwight veinot 
<dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Blue was close hauled with lots of power, what 
looks like an uncoordinated crew and in close 
quarters. She was give way boat and it looks to 
me like she was barging the line hell bent to 
get across inside of what looks like the 
committee boat, and ahead and to windward of 
the fleet.   If she went up hard she either had 
to tack away or risk ramming what I think is 
the committee boat.  I can’t tell if the 
leeward boat had room to fall off safely to 
avoid collision with blue without making a 
collision with the boat below her, looks like 
she was being taken up too. I heard now up now 
up now up now up so someone on Blue knew they 
were being taken up but I don’t think the 
helmsman or the crew acted soon enough or fast 
enough.  The helmsman’s effort to steer up 
seemed ineffective, not much of a rudder on 
that boat if you ask me.  The mainsail trimmer 
tensioned for more close hauled course and 
looks like the jib trimmer did the same…seems 
like the crew did not know how to sail that 
boat under those conditions in close 
quarters…they did not appear to know what to 
expect from the boat and the crew…if I turned 
the wheel that aggressively on my 35 I feel 
certain she would go up, now I have to try that 
to find out for sure and ruin a perfectly nice 
beat some day.  Haven’t raced in a while… what is in the rule about barging


Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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Sent: April 12, 2013 6:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video

After the preparatory signal (boats are now 
racing and must sail by the racing rules) but 
before the starting signal, the leeward boat 
can sail all the way up to head to wind.  After 
the starting signal, she cannot sail higher 
than close hauled.  Boats must still avoid 
contact if at all possible.  Crossing the 
starting line has no effect on how rules 11 and 14 are applied.

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

Alan,

Does Dave Perry’s 2016 RRoS book clarify the 
difference, if any, between before the start 
and after cros

Stus-List vessel insurance survey

[Russ & Melody]

A couple o' years ago at our yacht club we had a shed fire which took 
out seven power boats.  (I know, I know. Bar talk you would hear 
something like "a good start" :) But seriously, the insurance 
lobby was successful in passing the requirement to have a full marine 
P&I policy for moored boats (presumably for the wreck recovery 
provision) and third party liability not less than $1 million.


So I would like to know what is happening in other locations, 
including retail moorage and yacht clubs. It might be best for the 
list traffic if you PM me and I can tabulate the results and post later.


Does your moorage agreement require a:
Marine P&I policy or  liability only or no requirement

What is the minimum liabilty, if required:

Yacht Club or private marina:

How many years has this requirement been in place:

Approximate number of mooring spots (rounded to the hundred):

Is there a requirement for reciprocal or visiting yachts to provide 
proof of same:



Thanking you in advance.
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
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Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

[dwight veinot]

Yes they do.very good point, excellent memory actually.  I did not have to
be concerned because I have an old 1974 design and the under bottom is solid
and thick.I think even a bubble in that, and I know there are some because
there was one beside the hole I cut to do the through hull mount, which may
have had something to do with why it was not always reliable so you always
have to find a spot when there are no voids in the solid lay up too, but at
least if it doesn't work you can move it fairly easily and you don't leave a
gaping hole behind.  I got lucky first try

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ &
Melody
Sent: April 13, 2013 10:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New through hull transducer

 

Hi Dwight,

Don't these inside hull installations need to be in a solid layup area and
not a cored hull area? 

I seemed to remember that detail being part of past discussions on this
subject.

Cheers, Russ 
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 12:55 AM 13/04/2013, you wrote:



Based on my experience, I would say if it's a depth transducer install it on
the inside of your hull and either don't cut a new hole or plug the one you
have already.  Find a nice spot on the inside, close where you want it
located, clean the area with solvent, let it dry and then apply a really
generous gob of Dow Corning silicone sealant and submerge the active face of
the transducer in it while holding on a slight angle to make sure you don't
trap air bubbles, then press it down hard and hold there for a while.  I did
it that way based on information I got from this list because my Raymarine
depth transducer was not reliable.it has worked flawlessly to over 200 feet
(my boat draws about 6) for over 2 years and I have one less hole in the
boat.I am happy
 
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 

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From: CnC-List [ 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jmckay533
Sent: April 12, 2013 10:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List New through hull transducer
 
Good evening. I AM HOPING TO INSTALL A NEW THROUGH HULL TRANSDUCER this
weekend. What marine sealant would you suggest?
 
Thank you.
 
John on Oxygen
 
 
 
 
Sent from Samsung tablet



 Original message 
From: Brent Driedger  
Date: 04-12-2013 6:58 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video 

I tend to agree Dwight. 
That's a gripping video and reminds me of a very similar situation I got
myself into last year minus the crushed legs. I was being too aggressive,
boats touched and although no protest came of it, I was at fault and should
have bailed when I was getting squeezed out  of the pack before the
committee boat. 
On the deck after the race much discussion was held and I insisted I could
not change course for I would have rammed the committee boat but later when
the photos came out I realized I had plenty of time to abandon the start and
not look like a knob. 
The point is at speed within lengths of the line and adrenaline is up with a
bunch of fast boats a nose blow apart, it's easy to make a decision that you
wished you hadn't after the fact and unfortunately the only solution to this
is experience. 
On the plus side the event was educational, provided lively beer talk and no
damage was done. 
 
Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-04-12, at 5:25 PM, dwight veinot < dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca
 > wrote:



Blue was close hauled with lots of power, what looks like an uncoordinated
crew and in close quarters. She was give way boat and it looks to me like
she was barging the line hell bent to get across inside of what looks like
the committee boat, and ahead and to windward of the fleet.   If she went up
hard she either had to tack away or risk ramming what I think is the
committee boat.  I can't tell if the leeward boat had room to fall off
safely to avoid collision with blue without making a collision with the boat
below her, looks like she was being taken up too. I heard now up now up now
up now up so someone on Blue knew they were being taken up but I don't think
the helmsman or the crew acted soon enough or fast enough.  The helmsman's
effort to steer up seemed ineffective, not much of a rudder on that boat if
you ask me.  The mainsail trimmer tensioned for more close hauled course and
looks like the jib trimmer did the same.seems like the crew did not know how
to sail that boat under those conditions in close quarters.they did not
appear to know what to expect from the boat and the crew.if I turned the
wheel that aggressively on my 35 I feel certain she would go up, now I have
to try that to find out for sure and ruin a perfectly nice beat some day.
Haven't raced in a while. what is in the rule about barging
 
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MK

Re: Stus-List vessel insurance survey

[Steve Thomas]

Our club requires each boat to carry a 1 million liability policy.

Steve Thomas
Port Stanley, ON

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Russ & Melody
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List vessel insurance survey


A couple o' years ago at our yacht club we had a shed fire which took out seven 
power boats.  (I know, I know. Bar talk you would
hear something like "a good start" :) But seriously, the insurance lobby 
was successful in passing the requirement to have a
full marine P&I policy for moored boats (presumably for the wreck recovery 
provision) and third party liability not less than $1
million.

So I would like to know what is happening in other locations, including retail 
moorage and yacht clubs. It might be best for the
list traffic if you PM me and I can tabulate the results and post later.

Does your moorage agreement require a:
Marine P&I policy or  liability only or no requirement

What is the minimum liabilty, if required:

Yacht Club or private marina:

How many years has this requirement been in place:

Approximate number of mooring spots (rounded to the hundred):

Is there a requirement for reciprocal or visiting yachts to provide proof of 
same:


Thanking you in advance.
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

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Stus-List Race the Cape currently has 22 entries from Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Massachusetts!!

[Ken Heaton]

I think it is about time I send an update on Race the Cape out to the list.

http://www.racethecape.com

Nova Scotia’s Cape Breton Island is a sailor’s destination. Race the Cape,
a new six-day, 120-nautical mile point-to-point yacht race through Cape
Breton’s famed waterways, is a sailor’s dream. With the historic Marblehead
to Halifax Ocean Race leaving Massachusetts on July 7, followed by the
Bluenose Ocean Racing Circuit’s departure from Halifax on July 13, many
Eastern seaboard sailors will be ready for Race the Cape, which starts in
St. Peters, Cape Breton on July 17.

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
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Stus-List San Diego

[Harry Hallgring]

Just pulled into shelter island in San Diego. Fair amount of C&C traffic. Maybe 
I'll go jump a ride!

Harry

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Ken Heaton  wrote:

> I think it is about time I send an update on Race the Cape out to the list.
> 
> http://www.racethecape.com
> 
> Nova Scotia’s Cape Breton Island is a sailor’s destination. Race the Cape, a 
> new six-day, 120-nautical mile point-to-point yacht race through Cape 
> Breton’s famed waterways, is a sailor’s dream. With the historic Marblehead 
> to Halifax Ocean Race leaving Massachusetts on July 7, followed by the 
> Bluenose Ocean Racing Circuit’s departure from Halifax on July 13, many 
> Eastern seaboard sailors will be ready for Race the Cape, which starts in St. 
> Peters, Cape Breton on July 17.
> 
> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/
> 
> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
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Re: Stus-List vessel insurance survey

[Jeff Nelson]

$1M required 3rd party liabilty.  After that it's your own call. At our 
club and NSC in Ottawa.

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Cheers,
Jeff Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
Armdale Y.C.
Halifax


On 13/04/2013 12:26 PM, Steve Thomas wrote:

Our club requires each boat to carry a 1 million liability policy.
Steve Thomas
Port Stanley, ON
-Original Message-
*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]*On Behalf Of 
*Russ & Melody

*Sent:* Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:56 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List vessel insurance survey

A couple o' years ago at our yacht club we had a shed fire which took 
out seven power boats.  (I know, I know. Bar talk you would hear 
something like "a good start" :) But seriously, the insurance 
lobby was successful in passing the requirement to have a full marine 
P&I policy for moored boats (presumably for the wreck recovery 
provision) and third party liability not less than $1 million.


So I would like to know what is happening in other locations, 
including retail moorage and yacht clubs. It might be best for the 
list traffic if you PM me and I can tabulate the results and post later.


Does your moorage agreement require a:
Marine P&I policy or  liability only or no requirement

What is the minimum liabilty, if required:

Yacht Club or private marina:

How many years has this requirement been in place:

Approximate number of mooring spots (rounded to the hundred):

Is there a requirement for reciprocal or visiting yachts to provide 
proof of same:



Thanking you in advance.
Cheers, Russ
/Sweet /35 mk-1


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Re: Stus-List San Diego

[Pat Nevitt]

I'm so jealous.  I have been searchi8ng for a job out there for months so I
could move back out there from Virginia.  My whole family lives there.

On the other hand, I had a great sail today on the Chesapeake.

Pat

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:

> Just pulled into shelter island in San Diego. Fair amount of C&C traffic.
> Maybe I'll go jump a ride!
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
>
> I think it is about time I send an update on Race the Cape out to the list.
>
> http://www.racethecape.com
>
> Nova Scotia’s Cape Breton Island is a sailor’s destination. Race the Cape,
> a new six-day, 120-nautical mile point-to-point yacht race through Cape
> Breton’s famed waterways, is a sailor’s dream. With the historic Marblehead
> to Halifax Ocean Race leaving Massachusetts on July 7, followed by the
> Bluenose Ocean Racing Circuit’s departure from Halifax on July 13, many
> Eastern seaboard sailors will be ready for Race the Cape, which starts in
> St. Peters, Cape Breton on July 17.
>
> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/
>
> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
>
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Re: Stus-List San Diego

[Harry Hallgring]

Pat,
Just sitting in the harbor side park and AC11, Stars & Stripes just sailed 
by...I know what I'm doing tomorrow!!

Harry

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 13, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Pat Nevitt  wrote:

> I'm so jealous.  I have been searchi8ng for a job out there for months so I 
> could move back out there from Virginia.  My whole family lives there.
> 
> On the other hand, I had a great sail today on the Chesapeake.
> 
> Pat
> 
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Harry Hallgring  
> wrote:
>> Just pulled into shelter island in San Diego. Fair amount of C&C traffic. 
>> Maybe I'll go jump a ride!
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it is about time I send an update on Race the Cape out to the list.
>>> 
>>> http://www.racethecape.com
>>> 
>>> Nova Scotia’s Cape Breton Island is a sailor’s destination. Race the Cape, 
>>> a new six-day, 120-nautical mile point-to-point yacht race through Cape 
>>> Breton’s famed waterways, is a sailor’s dream. With the historic Marblehead 
>>> to Halifax Ocean Race leaving Massachusetts on July 7, followed by the 
>>> Bluenose Ocean Racing Circuit’s departure from Halifax on July 13, many 
>>> Eastern seaboard sailors will be ready for Race the Cape, which starts in 
>>> St. Peters, Cape Breton on July 17.
>>> 
>>> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/
>>> 
>>> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
>>> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
>>> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
>>> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
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Re: Stus-List San Diego

[Joel Aronson]

Pat,

Tried to hail you on 16.  Best day of the season so far!

Joel
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 13, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Pat Nevitt  wrote:

I'm so jealous.  I have been searchi8ng for a job out there for months so I
could move back out there from Virginia.  My whole family lives there.

On the other hand, I had a great sail today on the Chesapeake.

Pat

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:

> Just pulled into shelter island in San Diego. Fair amount of C&C traffic.
> Maybe I'll go jump a ride!
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
>
> I think it is about time I send an update on Race the Cape out to the list.
>
> http://www.racethecape.com
>
> Nova Scotia’s Cape Breton Island is a sailor’s destination. Race the Cape,
> a new six-day, 120-nautical mile point-to-point yacht race through Cape
> Breton’s famed waterways, is a sailor’s dream. With the historic Marblehead
> to Halifax Ocean Race leaving Massachusetts on July 7, followed by the
> Bluenose Ocean Racing Circuit’s departure from Halifax on July 13, many
> Eastern seaboard sailors will be ready for Race the Cape, which starts in
> St. Peters, Cape Breton on July 17.
>
> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/
>
> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
>
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Re: Stus-List San Diego

[Andrew Burton]

Sailed in there twice and stayed at SDYC. They have an interesting policy
for guests there; both times they put me right smack in front of the bar.
Nice club!
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:

> Pat,
> Just sitting in the harbor side park and AC11, Stars & Stripes just sailed
> by...I know what I'm doing tomorrow!!
>
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 13, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Pat Nevitt  wrote:
>
> I'm so jealous.  I have been searchi8ng for a job out there for months so
> I could move back out there from Virginia.  My whole family lives there.
>
> On the other hand, I had a great sail today on the Chesapeake.
>
> Pat
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:
>
>> Just pulled into shelter island in San Diego. Fair amount of C&C traffic.
>> Maybe I'll go jump a ride!
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
>>
>> I think it is about time I send an update on Race the Cape out to the
>> list.
>>
>> http://www.racethecape.com
>>
>> Nova Scotia’s Cape Breton Island is a sailor’s destination. Race the
>> Cape, a new six-day, 120-nautical mile point-to-point yacht race through
>> Cape Breton’s famed waterways, is a sailor’s dream. With the historic
>> Marblehead to Halifax Ocean Race leaving Massachusetts on July 7, followed
>> by the Bluenose Ocean Racing Circuit’s departure from Halifax on July 13,
>> many Eastern seaboard sailors will be ready for Race the Cape, which starts
>> in St. Peters, Cape Breton on July 17.
>>
>> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/
>>
>> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
>> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
>> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
>> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
>>
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Re: Stus-List San Diego

[Harry Hallgring]

Andy,
I'll go check my luck...!

Harry

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 13, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Burton  wrote:

> Sailed in there twice and stayed at SDYC. They have an interesting policy for 
> guests there; both times they put me right smack in front of the bar. 
> Nice club!
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Harry Hallgring  
> wrote:
>> Pat,
>> Just sitting in the harbor side park and AC11, Stars & Stripes just sailed 
>> by...I know what I'm doing tomorrow!!
>> 
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Pat Nevitt  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm so jealous.  I have been searchi8ng for a job out there for months so I 
>>> could move back out there from Virginia.  My whole family lives there.
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, I had a great sail today on the Chesapeake.
>>> 
>>> Pat
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Harry Hallgring  
>>> wrote:
 Just pulled into shelter island in San Diego. Fair amount of C&C traffic. 
 Maybe I'll go jump a ride!
 
 Harry
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
 
> I think it is about time I send an update on Race the Cape out to the 
> list.
> 
> http://www.racethecape.com
> 
> Nova Scotia’s Cape Breton Island is a sailor’s destination. Race the 
> Cape, a new six-day, 120-nautical mile point-to-point yacht race through 
> Cape Breton’s famed waterways, is a sailor’s dream. With the historic 
> Marblehead to Halifax Ocean Race leaving Massachusetts on July 7, 
> followed by the Bluenose Ocean Racing Circuit’s departure from Halifax on 
> July 13, many Eastern seaboard sailors will be ready for Race the Cape, 
> which starts in St. Peters, Cape Breton on July 17.
> 
> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/
> 
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> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
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Re: Stus-List San Diego

[Andrew Burton]

Look up my old pal Harry Powell who lives on his boat at the club docks
he'll see you get in to trouble. the club does the best breakfast on the
island, too.
And talk to Bill Campbell at Driscolls if you need any work done. he took
very good care of us when we were in a bind with a cat I was delivering a
couple of years ago.


On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:

> Andy,
> I'll go check my luck...!
>
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 13, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Burton 
> wrote:
>
> Sailed in there twice and stayed at SDYC. They have an interesting policy
> for guests there; both times they put me right smack in front of the bar.
> Nice club!
> Andy
>  C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:
>
>> Pat,
>> Just sitting in the harbor side park and AC11, Stars & Stripes just
>> sailed by...I know what I'm doing tomorrow!!
>>
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Pat Nevitt  wrote:
>>
>> I'm so jealous.  I have been searchi8ng for a job out there for months so
>> I could move back out there from Virginia.  My whole family lives there.
>>
>> On the other hand, I had a great sail today on the Chesapeake.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Harry Hallgring 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just pulled into shelter island in San Diego. Fair amount of C&C
>>> traffic. Maybe I'll go jump a ride!
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it is about time I send an update on Race the Cape out to the
>>> list.
>>>
>>> http://www.racethecape.com
>>>
>>> Nova Scotia’s Cape Breton Island is a sailor’s destination. Race the
>>> Cape, a new six-day, 120-nautical mile point-to-point yacht race through
>>> Cape Breton’s famed waterways, is a sailor’s dream. With the historic
>>> Marblehead to Halifax Ocean Race leaving Massachusetts on July 7, followed
>>> by the Bluenose Ocean Racing Circuit’s departure from Halifax on July 13,
>>> many Eastern seaboard sailors will be ready for Race the Cape, which starts
>>> in St. Peters, Cape Breton on July 17.
>>>
>>> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/
>>>
>>> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
>>> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
>>> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
>>> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
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Re: Stus-List San Diego

[Pat Nevitt]

Joel missed you. We didn't get too far out today. It was all about teaching the 
new owners the boat. Tomorrow we take it up to Middle River. We should be 
underway by 0800. Up past you about 10 or so. Give me another holler 

Enjoy SDYC!  My son and family and brother and his family are all in Coronado 
and belong to the club there. Someday ill get back there  

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 13, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> Pat,
> 
> Tried to hail you on 16.  Best day of the season so far!
> 
> Joel
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Apr 13, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Pat Nevitt  wrote:
> 
>> I'm so jealous.  I have been searchi8ng for a job out there for months so I 
>> could move back out there from Virginia.  My whole family lives there.
>> 
>> On the other hand, I had a great sail today on the Chesapeake.
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Harry Hallgring  
>> wrote:
>>> Just pulled into shelter island in San Diego. Fair amount of C&C traffic. 
>>> Maybe I'll go jump a ride!
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
>>> 
 I think it is about time I send an update on Race the Cape out to the list.
 
 http://www.racethecape.com
 
 Nova Scotia’s Cape Breton Island is a sailor’s destination. Race the Cape, 
 a new six-day, 120-nautical mile point-to-point yacht race through Cape 
 Breton’s famed waterways, is a sailor’s dream. With the historic 
 Marblehead to Halifax Ocean Race leaving Massachusetts on July 7, followed 
 by the Bluenose Ocean Racing Circuit’s departure from Halifax on July 13, 
 many Eastern seaboard sailors will be ready for Race the Cape, which 
 starts in St. Peters, Cape Breton on July 17.
 
 http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/
 
 Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
 S/V Salazar - Can 54955
 C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
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Re: Stus-List Race Video

[Chuck S]

That's what I thought too. The tactician is steadily saying "go up", "turn up", 
and the girl first turns down like she has never steered before or is just in a 
panic. But she doesn't act panic'd, even after the collision. She doesn't 
assume command either, which seems odd, like she's the least experienced one 
aboard. Sorry, I think I would have grabbed the wheel if I had to repeat myself 
more than once. 

Technical detail. Someone else pointed out that Blue was "close reaching" to 
the start, and the boom below centerline supports that. 



Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Russ & Melody"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 2:08:20 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video 

She, she, she. 
The helmsman is a girl and she being directed by a sailmaker who is noted as 
the professional sailor. 

What is wrong with this picture? 

And let the wind blow. 

Cheers, Russ 
Sweet 35 mk-1 

At 08:34 PM 12/04/2013, you wrote: 


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I don’t think you’re missing anything. I’ve been trying to understand the 
comment that the main being trimmed in tight could have overwhelmed the 
steering. I may be missing something, but 45 years of sailing tells me I’m 
not. 

Blue was close hauled on STBD, with the main in tight. That means weather helm 
– or at best neutral helm. Just 10 or 15 seconds before the collision you see 
the helmsman make a big wheel movement to turn down, which I suspect was to 
overcome the weather helm. Had he left the wheel alone (or made smaller 
steering correction) the boat would have come up on her own. 

The other comments describing the main overcoming the steering (and this has 
probably happened at one time or another to all of us) have all described 
crossing/ducking situations, when the main caused the boat to turn up when it 
was undesirable. 

Rick Brass 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video 



Question: didn't think you needed to ease the main to turn upwind? Am I missing 
something? Should ease the jib sheet. 
Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 

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