Re: Stus-List bilge pump switch

[Joel Aronson]

Marek,
I have a Johnson Ultima solid state switch.  I did not have room for a
float switch.  I don't know anything about the Water Witch.

Joel
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 31, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Marek Dziedzic  wrote:

 bilge pump switch

Hi,

I think there was long discussion on that a while back…

I have to install a bilge pump switch. Any opinions on Water Witch (***
http://waterwitchinc.com/online_cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=5
*)
(and
any other solid state switch)?

Thanks

Marek (in Ottawa)

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Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

[Stevan Plavsa]

Thanks for all the great feedback everyone. Rolly Tasker has given me the
best price by a wide margin. A new Genny shipped to me for $1500, their
'coastal cruising' line.

Question to you all, 5 oz or 6.3 oz dacron?
Dacron UV strip or Sunbrella?

I am leaning towards the 6.3 oz and the sunbrella but maybe that's not a
good idea here on Lake Ontario where the summer is mostly light. I just
want a sail that will last, these are cruising sails. I'm afraid with the
heavier material it'll be harder to fill in light air. How much more
resilient is the sunbrella over the dacron for the UV strip and how much of
a difference is there really between the 5 oz and 6.3 oz in terms of weight
and light air performance? They actually quoted me 5 oz and dacron UV at
first, maybe they know what they're talking about.

Thanks,
Steve



On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dwight veinot  wrote:

> ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> Tasker sails are good sails IMHO
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *Frederick G Street
> *Sent:* March 28, 2013 11:58 AM
>
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
> 
>
>  ** **
>
> Mike Tasker from Rolly Tasker just got back to me on a quote for a new
> genny:
>
> ** **
>
>  135% Roller Furling Genoa Offshore US$
>
> 7 oz US Dacron Crosscut 820.00
>
> Max Luff TBA?:  LP 21.94m2
>
> UV Sunbrella on leech and foot 266.00
>
> Luff Foam192.00
>
> ** **
>
> 1 sail UPS door to door delivery126.00
>
>  ** **
>
> $1400 for a new 135%?  What's not to love?  Am I missing something here?**
> **
>
> ** **
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield**, **
> WI   :^(
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:*
> ***
>
>
>
> 
>
> Steve
>
> Check Rolly Tasker if you are looking for a sail made offshore. Radial
> sails have smaller panels. In theory they last longer. Let them flog
> and they all turn to crap.
>   --
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Re: Stus-List bilge pump switch

[Bill Coleman]

I think Mine is a Water Witch, altho I wouldn't bet the farm without looking
through old receipts. I like it a lot.  Never had a mechanical one, so I
cannot comment on the differences.  What is says is true, it won't pump oil,
so keep an absorbent pad under your engine in case something bad happens. It
has always worked flawlessly. 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek
Dziedzic
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List bilge pump switch

 

Hi,

I think there was long discussion on that a while back.

I have to install a bilge pump switch. Any opinions on Water Witch (

http://waterwitchinc.com/online_cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&produc
ts_id=5 ) (and any other solid state switch)?

Thanks

Marek (in Ottawa)

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Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

[Dennis C.]

Here in Louisiana the genoa stayed on nearly year round.  I usually got about 4 
years on the Dacron UV strip.  Finally got tired of the expense and trouble of 
replacing it and went with Sunbrella.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





>
> From: Stevan Plavsa 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 7:14 AM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
> 
>
>Thanks for all the great feedback everyone. Rolly Tasker has given me the best 
>price by a wide margin. A new Genny shipped to me for $1500, their 'coastal 
>cruising' line.
>
>
>Question to you all, 5 oz or 6.3 oz dacron?
>Dacron UV strip or Sunbrella?
>
>
>I am leaning towards the 6.3 oz and the sunbrella but maybe that's not a good 
>idea here on Lake Ontario where the summer is mostly light. I just want a sail 
>that will last, these are cruising sails. I'm afraid with the heavier material 
>it'll be harder to fill in light air. How much more resilient is the sunbrella 
>over the dacron for the UV strip and how much of a difference is there really 
>between the 5 oz and 6.3 oz in terms of weight and light air performance? They 
>actually quoted me 5 oz and dacron UV at first, maybe they know what they're 
>talking about.
>
>
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dwight veinot  
>wrote:
>
>   
>>Tasker sails are good sails IMHO
>> 
>>Dwight Veinot
>>C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>>Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>From:CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick G Street
>>Sent: March 28, 2013 11:58 AM
>>
>>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote
- am I delusional? 
>> 
>>Mike Tasker from Rolly
Tasker just got back to me on a quote for a new genny:
>> 
>>135% Roller Furling Genoa Offshore  
      US$
>>>7 oz US Dacron Crosscut    
                    820.00
>>>Max Luff TBA?:  LP 21.94m2
>>>UV Sunbrella on leech and foot
                266.00
>>>Luff Foam      
                     
                   192.00
>>> 
>>>1 sail UPS door to door delivery
               126.00
>> 
>>$1400 for a new 135%?
 What's not to love?  Am I missing something here?
>> 
>>
>>Fred Street-- Minneapolis
>>S/V Oceanis (1979
C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 
>> 
>> 
>>On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:58
PM, Joel Aronson 
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>Check Rolly Tasker if you are looking for a sail made offshore. Radial
>>sails have smaller panels. In theory they last longer. Let them flog
>>and they all turn to crap.
>>
>>
>> 
>>No virus found in this message.
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Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

[Joel Aronson]

I'd ask what the max wind velocity is for each weight sail.  5 oz sounds
light to me for a general purpose sail.  I suspect its good to somewhere
around 12-15 knots.  Once you know that you can make the
performance/durability trade-off judgment call.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:

> Here in Louisiana the genoa stayed on nearly year round.  I usually got
> about 4 years on the Dacron UV strip.  Finally got tired of the expense and
> trouble of replacing it and went with Sunbrella.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Stevan Plavsa 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 1, 2013 7:14 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
>
> Thanks for all the great feedback everyone. Rolly Tasker has given me the
> best price by a wide margin. A new Genny shipped to me for $1500, their
> 'coastal cruising' line.
>
> Question to you all, 5 oz or 6.3 oz dacron?
> Dacron UV strip or Sunbrella?
>
> I am leaning towards the 6.3 oz and the sunbrella but maybe that's not a
> good idea here on Lake Ontario where the summer is mostly light. I just
> want a sail that will last, these are cruising sails. I'm afraid with the
> heavier material it'll be harder to fill in light air. How much more
> resilient is the sunbrella over the dacron for the UV strip and how much of
> a difference is there really between the 5 oz and 6.3 oz in terms of weight
> and light air performance? They actually quoted me 5 oz and dacron UV at
> first, maybe they know what they're talking about.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dwight veinot <
> dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>  Tasker sails are good sails IMHO
> ** **
>  Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>  ** **
>  --
>  *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of ***
> **Frederick G Street
> *Sent:* March 28, 2013 11:58 AM
>
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
> 
> ** **
> Mike Tasker from Rolly Tasker just got back to me on a quote for a new
> genny:
>  ** **
>
>  135% Roller Furling Genoa Offshore US$
>  7 oz US Dacron Crosscut 820.00
>  Max Luff TBA?:  LP 21.94m2
>  UV Sunbrella on leech and foot 266.00
>  Luff Foam192.00
>  ** **
>  1 sail UPS door to door delivery126.00
>
>  ** **
>  $1400 for a new 135%?  What's not to love?  Am I missing something here?*
> ***
>  ** **
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield**, **
> WI   :^(
> 
>  ** **
>  ** **
>  On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
>
>
> 
> Steve
>
> Check Rolly Tasker if you are looking for a sail made offshore. Radial
> sails have smaller panels. In theory they last longer. Let them flog
> and they all turn to crap.
>   --
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Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Steve, For whatever it is worth, I ended up with 135% Quantum 7.62oz and 
Sunbrella for the UV protection.  It cost me just over $2400 after a 15% boat 
show discount. The Guy at Thurston had said "if you wash the bottom every time 
you go sailing, you'd notice the difference between the Dacron and sunbrella, 
otherwise you'll never notice." DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA

-- Original Message --
From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 08:14:58 -0400


Thanks for all the great feedback everyone. Rolly Tasker has given me the best 
price by a wide margin. A new Genny shipped to me for $1500, their 'coastal 
cruising' line. Question to you all, 5 oz or 6.3 oz dacron?Dacron UV strip or 
Sunbrella? I am leaning towards the 6.3 oz and the sunbrella but maybe that's 
not a good idea here on Lake Ontario where the summer is mostly light. I just 
want a sail that will last, these are cruising sails. I'm afraid with the 
heavier material it'll be harder to fill in light air. How much more resilient 
is the sunbrella over the dacron for the UV strip and how much of a difference 
is there really between the 5 oz and 6.3 oz in terms of weight and light air 
performance? They actually quoted me 5 oz and dacron UV at first, maybe they 
know what they're talking about. Thanks,Steve 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dwight veinot  
wrote:
Tasker sails are good sails IMHO
�
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
�
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street
 Sent: March 28, 2013 11:58 AM

 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional? 
�
Mike Tasker from Rolly Tasker just got back to me on a quote for a new genny:
�
135% Roller Furling Genoa Offshore � � � � US$
7 oz US Dacron Crosscut � � � � � � 
� � � � � � 820.00
Max Luff TBA?: �LP 21.94m2
UV Sunbrella on leech and foot � � � � � 
� � � 266.00
Luff Foam � � � � � � � 
� � � � � � � � 
� � � � � � � � 
�192.00
�
1 sail UPS door to door delivery � � � � � 
� � �126.00
�
$1400 for a new 135%? �What's not to love? �Am I missing 
something here?
�

 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V�Oceanis�(1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, 
WI���:^(
�
�
On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

 
 
Steve
 
 Check Rolly Tasker if you are looking for a sail made offshore. Radial
 sails have smaller panels. In theory they last longer. Let them flog
 and they all turn to crap.
 
No virus found in this message.
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Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Here is what I got from Rolly Tasker; 135% Roller Furling Genoa - 7.3oz dacron, 
foam on luff, Pacific Blue Sunbrella UV protection, luff tape to suit existing 
furling system - $1,675 Just for informational purposes...

-- Original Message --
From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 08:14:58 -0400


Thanks for all the great feedback everyone. Rolly Tasker has given me the best 
price by a wide margin. A new Genny shipped to me for $1500, their 'coastal 
cruising' line. Question to you all, 5 oz or 6.3 oz dacron?Dacron UV strip or 
Sunbrella? I am leaning towards the 6.3 oz and the sunbrella but maybe that's 
not a good idea here on Lake Ontario where the summer is mostly light. I just 
want a sail that will last, these are cruising sails. I'm afraid with the 
heavier material it'll be harder to fill in light air. How much more resilient 
is the sunbrella over the dacron for the UV strip and how much of a difference 
is there really between the 5 oz and 6.3 oz in terms of weight and light air 
performance? They actually quoted me 5 oz and dacron UV at first, maybe they 
know what they're talking about. Thanks,Steve 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dwight veinot  
wrote:
Tasker sails are good sails IMHO
�
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
�
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street
 Sent: March 28, 2013 11:58 AM

 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional? 
�
Mike Tasker from Rolly Tasker just got back to me on a quote for a new genny:
�
135% Roller Furling Genoa Offshore � � � � US$
7 oz US Dacron Crosscut � � � � � � 
� � � � � � 820.00
Max Luff TBA?: �LP 21.94m2
UV Sunbrella on leech and foot � � � � � 
� � � 266.00
Luff Foam � � � � � � � 
� � � � � � � � 
� � � � � � � � 
�192.00
�
1 sail UPS door to door delivery � � � � � 
� � �126.00
�
$1400 for a new 135%? �What's not to love? �Am I missing 
something here?
�

 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V�Oceanis�(1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, 
WI���:^(
�
�
On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

 
 
Steve
 
 Check Rolly Tasker if you are looking for a sail made offshore. Radial
 sails have smaller panels. In theory they last longer. Let them flog
 and they all turn to crap.
 
No virus found in this message.
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Re: Stus-List C&C 27 Mk V in MD "Gemini"

[Brent Driedger]

The 27V really only sails well to weather when the mast has 14 to 16" of rake. 
After years and years of tension to provide the rake it wouldn't surprise me if 
the mast has developed a bit of permanent dog leg. Especially if the baby stay 
has been over used. 

It's a beefy mast but fairly flexible. I remember reading a warning about 
compressive bend which can occur without warning while tuning the rig. What 
this means exactly is beyond me but it sounds scary. It came from a 1984 
Speedpak and its something that I think about as I'm tightening my stays. 

 Brent D
27V
s/v Wild Rover

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-03-31, at 8:04 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> I think the one he found in MD is in better shape -- but he does have a 
> question for the list about the 27 Mk V's mast bend. 
> 
> He took all the tension off the backstay and there was still some bend at the 
> top of the mast. 
> 
> Is this normal? I asked him if the shrouds are aft of the mast, cause they 
> still had a lot of tension, but he didn't remember. 
> 
> Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
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> Starship Enterprise
> NCC-1701-B
> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
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> On Mar 31, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Chuck S  wrote:
> 
> Edd,
> Did your dad consider the '86 C&C 27' MkV in Greenport asking $10K at 
> Yachtworld?
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> From: "Edd Schillay" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38:36 PM
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 27 Mk V in MD "Gemini"
> 
> Listers,
> 
> My father is making an offer and setting up a survey on "Gemini", a 27 Mk V 
> in Maryland. 
> 
> Does anyone know the boat? Would appreciate any information on this 
> particular one. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
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Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

[dwight veinot]

If the sail is a 150 go with 5 oz.  If it's a 130 go with 6.3 oz.  The 130
should be good to 20 apparent and furled to 110 if you need to.  Go with
Dacron white UV strip, you won't notice it's there and it will last for
about 6 years, that's$50 a year because a replacement strip would be about
$300.  The sunbrella strips are good but heavier.  They may last longer.I
prefer a white strip, it is only on one side of your sail.white ones are
mostly unnoticeable

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: April 1, 2013 9:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

 

Thanks for all the great feedback everyone. Rolly Tasker has given me the
best price by a wide margin. A new Genny shipped to me for $1500, their
'coastal cruising' line.

 

Question to you all, 5 oz or 6.3 oz dacron?

Dacron UV strip or Sunbrella?

 

I am leaning towards the 6.3 oz and the sunbrella but maybe that's not a
good idea here on Lake Ontario where the summer is mostly light. I just want
a sail that will last, these are cruising sails. I'm afraid with the heavier
material it'll be harder to fill in light air. How much more resilient is
the sunbrella over the dacron for the UV strip and how much of a difference
is there really between the 5 oz and 6.3 oz in terms of weight and light air
performance? They actually quoted me 5 oz and dacron UV at first, maybe they
know what they're talking about.

 

Thanks,

Steve

 

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dwight veinot
 wrote:

Tasker sails are good sails IMHO

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick
G Street
Sent: March 28, 2013 11:58 AM


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

 

Mike Tasker from Rolly Tasker just got back to me on a quote for a new
genny:

 

135% Roller Furling Genoa Offshore US$

7 oz US Dacron Crosscut 820.00

Max Luff TBA?:  LP 21.94m2

UV Sunbrella on leech and foot 266.00

Luff Foam192.00

 

1 sail UPS door to door delivery126.00

 

$1400 for a new 135%?  What's not to love?  Am I missing something here?

 


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

 

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Steve

Check Rolly Tasker if you are looking for a sail made offshore. Radial
sails have smaller panels. In theory they last longer. Let them flog
and they all turn to crap.

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Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

[Chuck S]

Steve, 
I see you sail on Lake Ontario. The cloth weight may be driven by what boat 
model you have? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Joel Aronson"  
To: "Dennis C." , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 9:10:21 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional? 


I'd ask what the max wind velocity is for each weight sail. 5 oz sounds light 
to me for a general purpose sail. I suspect its good to somewhere around 12-15 
knots. Once you know that you can make the performance/durability trade-off 
judgment call. 


Joel 
35/3 
Annapolis 



On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Dennis C. < capt...@yahoo.com > wrote: 




Here in Louisiana the genoa stayed on nearly year round. I usually got about 4 
years on the Dacron UV strip. Finally got tired of the expense and trouble of 
replacing it and went with Sunbrella. 

Dennis C. 
Touche' 35-1 #83 
Mandeville, LA 











From: Stevan Plavsa < stevanpla...@gmail.com > 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 7:14 AM 


Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional? 





Thanks for all the great feedback everyone. Rolly Tasker has given me the best 
price by a wide margin. A new Genny shipped to me for $1500, their 'coastal 
cruising' line. 


Question to you all, 5 oz or 6.3 oz dacron? 
Dacron UV strip or Sunbrella? 


I am leaning towards the 6.3 oz and the sunbrella but maybe that's not a good 
idea here on Lake Ontario where the summer is mostly light. I just want a sail 
that will last, these are cruising sails. I'm afraid with the heavier material 
it'll be harder to fill in light air. How much more resilient is the sunbrella 
over the dacron for the UV strip and how much of a difference is there really 
between the 5 oz and 6.3 oz in terms of weight and light air performance? They 
actually quoted me 5 oz and dacron UV at first, maybe they know what they're 
talking about. 


Thanks, 
Steve 





On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dwight veinot < dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca > 
wrote: 





Tasker sails are good sails IMHO 



Dwight Veinot 
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 




From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Frederick 
G Street 
Sent: March 28, 2013 11:58 AM 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional? 

Mike Tasker from Rolly Tasker just got back to me on a quote for a new genny: 








135% Roller Furling Genoa Offshore US$ 

7 oz US Dacron Crosscut 820.00 

Max Luff TBA?: LP 21.94m2 

UV Sunbrella on leech and foot 266.00 

Luff Foam 192.00 



1 sail UPS door to door delivery 126.00 





$1400 for a new 135%? What's not to love? Am I missing something here? 




Fred Street -- Minneapolis 
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield , WI :^( 





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Steve 

Check Rolly Tasker if you are looking for a sail made offshore. Radial 
sails have smaller panels. In theory they last longer. Let them flog 
and they all turn to crap. 



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Stus-List Some Exiting Sailing

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Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

[Chuck S]

Great info. 
Helps to post the size of your boat when comparing sails, so please include 
boat model and where you sail also? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: djhaug...@juno.com 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 9:16:37 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional? 


Here is what I got from Rolly Tasker; 

135% Roller Furling Genoa - 7.3oz dacron, foam on luff, Pacific Blue Sunbrella 
UV protection, luff tape to suit existing furling system - $1,675 

Just for informational purposes... 


-- Original Message -- 
From: Stevan Plavsa  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional? 
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 08:14:58 -0400 




Thanks for all the great feedback everyone. Rolly Tasker has given me the best 
price by a wide margin. A new Genny shipped to me for $1500, their 'coastal 
cruising' line. 

Question to you all, 5 oz or 6.3 oz dacron? 
Dacron UV strip or Sunbrella? 

I am leaning towards the 6.3 oz and the sunbrella but maybe that's not a good 
idea here on Lake Ontario where the summer is mostly light. I just want a sail 
that will last, these are cruising sails. I'm afraid with the heavier material 
it'll be harder to fill in light air. How much more resilient is the sunbrella 
over the dacron for the UV strip and how much of a difference is there really 
between the 5 oz and 6.3 oz in terms of weight and light air performance? They 
actually quoted me 5 oz and dacron UV at first, maybe they know what they're 
talking about. 

Thanks, 
Steve 




On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dwight veinot < dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca > 
wrote: 






Tasker sails are good sails IMHO 


� 


Dwight Veinot 

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 

� 




From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Frederick 
G Street 
Sent: March 28, 2013 11:58 AM 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional? 



� 

Mike Tasker from Rolly Tasker just got back to me on a quote for a new genny: 




� 





135% Roller Furling Genoa Offshore � � � � US$ 


7 oz US Dacron Crosscut � � � � � � � � � � � � 820.00 


Max Luff TBA?: �LP 21.94m2 


UV Sunbrella on leech and foot � � � � � � � � 266.00 


Luff Foam � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �192.00 


� 


1 sail UPS door to door delivery � � � � � � � �126.00 




� 


$1400 for a new 135%? �What's not to love? �Am I missing something here? 

� 




Fred Street -- Minneapolis 
S/V� Oceanis �(1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI���:^( 


� 

� 



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Steve 

Check Rolly Tasker if you are looking for a sail made offshore. Radial 
sails have smaller panels. In theory they last longer. Let them flog 
and they all turn to crap. 




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Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Lolita1973 viking 33Westport Point, MA

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 13:45:07 + (UTC)


Great info.
Helps to post the size of your boat when comparing sails, so please include 
boat model and where you sail also?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJFrom: djhaug...@juno.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 9:16:37 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

Here is what I got from Rolly Tasker; 135% Roller Furling Genoa - 7.3oz dacron, 
foam on luff, Pacific Blue Sunbrella UV protection, luff tape to suit existing 
furling system - $1,675 Just for informational purposes...

-- Original Message --
From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 08:14:58 -0400

 
Thanks for all the great feedback everyone. Rolly Tasker has given me the best 
price by a wide margin. A new Genny shipped to me for $1500, their 'coastal 
cruising' line. Question to you all, 5 oz or 6.3 oz dacron?Dacron UV strip or 
Sunbrella? I am leaning towards the 6.3 oz and the sunbrella but maybe that's 
not a good idea here on Lake Ontario where the summer is mostly light. I just 
want a sail that will last, these are cruising sails. I'm afraid with the 
heavier material it'll be harder to fill in light air. How much more resilient 
is the sunbrella over the dacron for the UV strip and how much of a difference 
is there really between the 5 oz and 6.3 oz in terms of weight and light air 
performance? They actually quoted me 5 oz and dacron UV at first, maybe they 
know what they're talking about. Thanks,Steve 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dwight veinot  
wrote:
Tasker sails are good sails IMHO
�
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
�
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street
 Sent: March 28, 2013 11:58 AM

 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional? 
�
Mike Tasker from Rolly Tasker just got back to me on a quote for a new genny:
�
135% Roller Furling Genoa Offshore � � � � US$
7 oz US Dacron Crosscut � � � � � � 
� � � � � � 820.00
Max Luff TBA?: �LP 21.94m2
UV Sunbrella on leech and foot � � � � � 
� � � 266.00
Luff Foam � � � � � � � 
� � � � � � � � 
� � � � � � � � 
�192.00
�
1 sail UPS door to door delivery � � � � � 
� � �126.00
�
$1400 for a new 135%? �What's not to love? �Am I missing 
something here?
�

 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V�Oceanis�(1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, 
WI���:^(
�
�
On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

 
 
Steve
 
 Check Rolly Tasker if you are looking for a sail made offshore. Radial
 sails have smaller panels. In theory they last longer. Let them flog
 and they all turn to crap.
 
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Stus-List Keelbolt specs

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Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3

[Chuck Saur]

Good morning all.  I have the original manual for my new-to-me 35-3, and
they do not specify the size of the keelbolt or nut.  Only thing listed is
"other size" and three possible dimensions for the keel bolts. (Same table
as listed at the CnC photoalbum)

I would measure these guys, but the boat is a couple hundred miles away.
Anyone know the sizes so I can bring the right socket arsenal to get them
tight?  Any other sage advice from experience?  Thanks for the continued
great reading...

Chuck
C$C 35-3
Morning Sky

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Stus-List Keel joint seepage

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Hi Guys, I finally got down to the boat on Saturday.  There is some water in 
the bilge and has probably been there a while. However,  I did notice some 
seepage stains at the front of the keel.  Was not a lot and was not wet.  Just 
a small stain about 1/4" wide and maybe 8" - 10" long. I had the smile fixed by 
the yard last year, which looks to have help up well, and had them torque the 
keel bolts. Should I be concerned here?  First thing that popped into my mind 
is a keel re-bedding and bolt inspection.  Then, that seems it could be an 
expensive can of worms. Any opinions on this will be greatly appreciated. 
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Re: Stus-List Keel joint seepage

[Tim Goodyear]

Are the stains at the stub / lead keel joint?  I had a seeping crack at the
turn of the bilge (well above the actual joint) that turned into a fairly
substantial fix involving core replacement, keel stub tabbing etc this year.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I finally got down to the boat on Saturday.  There is some water in the
> bilge and has probably been there a while.
>
> However,  I did notice some seepage stains at the front of the keel.  Was
> not a lot and was not wet.  Just a small stain about 1/4" wide and maybe 8"
> - 10" long.
>
> I had the smile fixed by the yard last year, which looks to have help up
> well, and had them torque the keel bolts.
>
> Should I be concerned here?  First thing that popped into my mind is a
> keel re-bedding and bolt inspection.  Then, that seems it could be an
> expensive can of worms.
>
> Any opinions on this will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Danny
> Lolita
> 1973 Viking 33
> Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List Keel joint seepage

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Yes, at the joint... Fortunately, Lolita does not have a cored hull.  I'm more 
thinking about keel bolts DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA

-- Original Message --
From: Tim Goodyear 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel joint seepage
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:52:27 -0400


Are the stains at the stub / lead keel joint?� I had a seeping crack at 
the turn of the bilge (well above the actual joint) that turned into 
a�fairly substantial�fix involving core replacement, keel 
stub�tabbing etc this year.�TimMojitoC&C 35-3Branford, CT

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM, djhaug...@juno.com  wrote:
Hi Guys,�I finally got down to the boat on Saturday. �There is 
some water in the bilge and has probably been there a while.�However, 
�I did notice some seepage stains at the front of the keel. �Was 
not a lot and was not wet. �Just a small stain about 1/4" wide and maybe 
8" - 10" long.�I had the smile fixed by the yard last year, which looks 
to have help up well, and had them torque the keel bolts.�Should I be 
concerned here? �First thing that popped into my mind is a keel 
re-bedding and bolt inspection. �Then, that seems it could be an 
expensive can of worms.�Any opinions on this will be greatly 
appreciated.�DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List Keel joint seepage

[dwight veinot]

Danny 

 

It would be good to have no seeping but I don’t think you need to worry about 
the keel bolts corroding…as an easy fix as opposed to rebedding the keel you 
could try grinding the joint out a bit from the outside…maybe half inch or so 
deep and quarter inch wide with an angle grinder…after it dries fill with 
thickened epoxy or maybe 3M 4200 or even 5200 then put on antifouling paint and 
go sailing

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: April 1, 2013 12:05 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel joint seepage

 

Yes, at the joint... Fortunately, Lolita does not have a cored hull.  I'm more 
thinking about keel bolts

 

Danny

Lolita

1973 Viking 33

Westport Point, MA



-- Original Message --
From: Tim Goodyear 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel joint seepage
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:52:27 -0400

Are the stains at the stub / lead keel joint?� I had a seeping crack at the 
turn of the bilge (well above the actual joint) that turned into a�fairly 
substantial�fix involving core replacement, keel stub�tabbing etc this year.

�

Tim

Mojito

C&C 35-3

Branford, CT

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM, djhaug...@juno.com  wrote:

Hi Guys,

�

I finally got down to the boat on Saturday. �There is some water in the bilge 
and has probably been there a while.

�

However, �I did notice some seepage stains at the front of the keel. �Was not a 
lot and was not wet. �Just a small stain about 1/4" wide and maybe 8" - 10" 
long.

�

I had the smile fixed by the yard last year, which looks to have help up well, 
and had them torque the keel bolts.

�

Should I be concerned here? �First thing that popped into my mind is a keel 
re-bedding and bolt inspection. �Then, that seems it could be an expensive can 
of worms.

�

Any opinions on this will be greatly appreciated.

�

Danny

Lolita

1973 Viking 33

Westport Point, MA


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Re: Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3

[Mike]

You will need a 1 1/2” deep socket. I used a 39mm.  It is a common axle socket 
on newer cars.  If you know a mechanic , he will probably have one.  Take a 
couple of extensions with you.

Mike
Ragtime C&C35 MkIII

From: Chuck Saur 
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:10 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3

Good morning all.  I have the original manual for my new-to-me 35-3, and they 
do not specify the size of the keelbolt or nut.  Only thing listed is "other 
size" and three possible dimensions for the keel bolts. (Same table as listed 
at the CnC photoalbum)  

I would measure these guys, but the boat is a couple hundred miles away.  
Anyone know the sizes so I can bring the right socket arsenal to get them 
tight?  Any other sage advice from experience?  Thanks for the continued great 
reading...

Chuck
C$C 35-3
Morning Sky

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Re: Stus-List Keel joint seepage

[Martin DeYoung]

>> ... I had a seeping crack at the turn of the bilge (well above the actual 
>> joint) that turned into a fairly substantial fix involving core replacement, 
>> keel stub tabbing etc. this year.<<

Calypso was laid up in 1969 at Bruckmann's and raced very hard (SORC, Montego 
Bay, Onion Patch, Bermuda, Chi-Mac etc.) for over 30 years prior to our 
purchase.  During the inspection/survey process the surveyor and I disagreed on 
the exact source of some water seepage.  Surveyor claimed condensation from the 
cold Lake Michigan waters, I called BS but bought the boat anyway (never fall 
in love with a boat before the survey, do as I say  not as I do).

Once we had the boat in Seattle the mast was pulled for paint and the mast 
step/bilge area access was improved.  We launched the boat without the mast to 
reduce yard bills while I refirbed the mast with new rigging.  As soon as 
Calypso hit the water it was obvious that a crack at the front of the keel stub 
was allowing lake water to seep in.  We immediately hauled the boat back out to 
inspect and make repairs.

My best guess is, when the hull was laid up the solid glass in the keel stub 
area was up to the challenge of resisting the bending forces caused by high rig 
loads when racing (lotsa back stay pressure) and powered up pounding while 
going upwind offshore.  20 years of being frozen during Lake Michigan winters 
likely added to the cracking forces of trapped water and weakened the 
structure.  We made/ground inspection holes inside and out to allow full 
inspection of the keel joint (stub, iron keel, lead shoe (9,000 lbs. total) and 
the threaded rod/bolt combo).

The forward keel stub area was filled in 1969 (12" deep) with a now brittle 
orange colored "bog" (polyester based filler used at Bruckmann's back then).  
The bog was riddled with cracks and no longer added structural strength to the 
keel stub.  We (combo of owners and yard) chipped/ground out all the "bog" and 
re-laminated inside and out.  The remaining space that once was filled with 
"bog" was largely filled with glass cloth and epoxy with much less low strength 
filler used.

While we were at it a new mast step was manufactured and the area was 
repainted.  It is the prettiest part of Calypso's bilge that few ever see.

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle


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Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Keel joint seepage

Hi Guys,

I finally got down to the boat on Saturday.  There is some water in the bilge 
and has probably been there a while.

However,  I did notice some seepage stains at the front of the keel.  Was not a 
lot and was not wet.  Just a small stain about 1/4" wide and maybe 8" - 10" 
long.

I had the smile fixed by the yard last year, which looks to have help up well, 
and had them torque the keel bolts.

Should I be concerned here?  First thing that popped into my mind is a keel 
re-bedding and bolt inspection.  Then, that seems it could be an expensive can 
of worms.

Any opinions on this will be greatly appreciated.

Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels

[Wally Bryant]

Ah, and you kept it for 11 years just in case?  A true boat guy...

Wal

allen wrote:

It's in the same shape it was when removed from Septima 11 years ago.  Septima's 
engine banjo fitting failed, 



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Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels

[Bob Moriarty]

The engine control panel on Ox has a push-button starter switch. It's like
an honor system. If someone wants to steal Ox they just have to cast off
the lines and sail away.

Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL


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> **
> I replaced the Yanmar ignition switch on Penniless for that reason - I had
> bent two keys because of where the panel is located -
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Re: Stus-List bilge pump switch

[Jake Brodersen]

Marek,

 

I have the standard Rule mercury-type switch.  It is reliable, but does
require occasional cleaning.  Bilge gunk builds up and will sometimes
prevent it from turning on.  It might happen once a season.  Guess I should
clean the bilge more often.

 

Jake

 

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

On Mar 31, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Marek Dziedzic  wrote:

Hi,

I think there was long discussion on that a while back.

I have to install a bilge pump switch. Any opinions on Water Witch (

http://waterwitchinc.com/online_cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&produc
ts_id=5 ) (and any other solid state switch)?

Thanks

Marek (in Ottawa)

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Stus-List Defender delivery

[Chuck S]

My bottom paint and accessories arrived today from Defender. All good, all 
together. Very cool 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels

[Graham Collins]

It's like they say... in a few years I'll have all the parts to build a 
second boat - but the sails will be bagged and torn, the sheets frayed, 
the electronics fried, and the hatches leaky...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2013-04-01 9:02 PM, Wally Bryant wrote:

Ah, and you kept it for 11 years just in case?  A true boat guy...

Wal

allen wrote:
It's in the same shape it was when removed from Septima 11 years 
ago.  Septima's engine banjo fitting failed, 



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Re: Stus-List Defender delivery

[Joel Aronson]

UPS lost one of my Defender packages.  Now I have the original and
replacement package wth 60 feet of 5/16 Dyneema.  Wondering if they'll let
me keep both.

Joel
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 1, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

My bottom paint and accessories arrived today from Defender.  All good, all
together.  Very cool

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ

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Re: Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3

[Jake Brodersen]

Chuck,

 

The bolts are 1” with 1 ½” nuts.  I use a long breaker bar, along with a
piece of pipe to check the keel bolts.  You will need at least 18” of
extension to get to the keel bolts in the bottom of the bilge.  The others
are all easy…except the one under the mast!  I will be pulling my rig next
year to do maintenance and tighten that bolt.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
Saur
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:11 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3

 

Good morning all.  I have the original manual for my new-to-me 35-3, and
they do not specify the size of the keelbolt or nut.  Only thing listed is
"other size" and three possible dimensions for the keel bolts. (Same table
as listed at the CnC photoalbum)  

 

I would measure these guys, but the boat is a couple hundred miles away.
Anyone know the sizes so I can bring the right socket arsenal to get them
tight?  Any other sage advice from experience?  Thanks for the continued
great reading...

 

Chuck

C$C 35-3

Morning Sky

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Re: Stus-List Keel joint seepage

[Jake Brodersen]

Danny,

 

This sounds like a very minor problem (at first blush).

 

I would check the keel bolt torque and go sailing.  It certainly doesn't
sound serious enough to drop the keel and rebed it yet.  Been there, done
that!

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Keel joint seepage

 

Hi Guys,

 

I finally got down to the boat on Saturday.  There is some water in the
bilge and has probably been there a while.

 

However,  I did notice some seepage stains at the front of the keel.  Was
not a lot and was not wet.  Just a small stain about 1/4" wide and maybe 8"
- 10" long.

 

I had the smile fixed by the yard last year, which looks to have help up
well, and had them torque the keel bolts.

 

Should I be concerned here?  First thing that popped into my mind is a keel
re-bedding and bolt inspection.  Then, that seems it could be an expensive
can of worms.

 

Any opinions on this will be greatly appreciated.

 

Danny

Lolita

1973 Viking 33

Westport Point, MA

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Re: Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3

[Chuck Saur]

Thanks, Jake!  Mast is pulled, and keelbolts are all accessible...so
a'torquing we will go.  Now...changing channels a bit...do you have an
issue with the buildup of water and gunk beneath the aft shower bulkhead,
in one of the 'honeycombs'?  I read a strand that had suggested drilling
some drainage or 'limber holes' from these water-catchers.  My floor and
bulkhead has some rot near the area.  I hallucinate that's the only reason
the PO sold the boat...

I wonder if anyone with a similar problem has cleaned these voids and
filled the little goobers with poly resin or West epoxy?  Seems easier to
pump them full of impenetrable goo, as drilling the 'limber holes' looks
formidable.  But is there a downside to where else water from the mast
might collect?  Gotta go somewhere...hopefully into the bilge?

Sorry if I am 'dredging up' and old solved problem...but 'tis the season...

ps...weather in Michigan resembles upper Finland right now.  They are still
ice fishing some lakes.  Lots of time to do stuff to sailboats here.  cs


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Jake Brodersen  wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> ** **
>
> The bolts are 1” with 1 ½” nuts.  I use a long breaker bar, along with a
> piece of pipe to check the keel bolts.  You will need at least 18” of
> extension to get to the keel bolts in the bottom of the bilge.  The others
> are all easy…except the one under the mast!  I will be pulling my rig next
> year to do maintenance and tighten that bolt.
>
> ** **
>
> Jake
>
> ** **
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C&C 35 Mk-III*
>
> *Midnight Mistress*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> Saur
> *Sent:* Monday, April 01, 2013 10:11 AM
>
> *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3
>
> ** **
>
> Good morning all.  I have the original manual for my new-to-me 35-3, and
> they do not specify the size of the keelbolt or nut.  Only thing listed is
> "other size" and three possible dimensions for the keel bolts. (Same table
> as listed at the CnC photoalbum)  
>
>  
>
> I would measure these guys, but the boat is a couple hundred miles away.
> Anyone know the sizes so I can bring the right socket arsenal to get them
> tight?  Any other sage advice from experience?  Thanks for the continued
> great reading...
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
> C$C 35-3
>
> Morning Sky
>
> -- 
>
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Re: Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3

[Joel Aronson]

Chuck

I did the limber hole thing this spring.  Same issue on my 35/3.  There
aren't any on the port side of the mast.  No one knows why.  I drilled
holes using a flexible attachment and short bits from Harbor Freight, then
epoxied in  plastic tube even though none of the other limber holes have
tubing.  The bulkhead on my boat has some issues as well.  I left it as is.
 I replaced the wood around the base of the mast with solid teak instead of
the teak and holly plywood mush.

Supposed to be in the 60s here next week!

Joel
35/3
Annapolis
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 1, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Chuck Saur  wrote:

Thanks, Jake!  Mast is pulled, and keelbolts are all accessible...so
a'torquing we will go.  Now...changing channels a bit...do you have an
issue with the buildup of water and gunk beneath the aft shower bulkhead,
in one of the 'honeycombs'?  I read a strand that had suggested drilling
some drainage or 'limber holes' from these water-catchers.  My floor and
bulkhead has some rot near the area.  I hallucinate that's the only reason
the PO sold the boat...

I wonder if anyone with a similar problem has cleaned these voids and
filled the little goobers with poly resin or West epoxy?  Seems easier to
pump them full of impenetrable goo, as drilling the 'limber holes' looks
formidable.  But is there a downside to where else water from the mast
might collect?  Gotta go somewhere...hopefully into the bilge?

Sorry if I am 'dredging up' and old solved problem...but 'tis the season...

ps...weather in Michigan resembles upper Finland right now.  They are still
ice fishing some lakes.  Lots of time to do stuff to sailboats here.  cs


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Jake Brodersen  wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> ** **
>
> The bolts are 1” with 1 ½” nuts.  I use a long breaker bar, along with a
> piece of pipe to check the keel bolts.  You will need at least 18” of
> extension to get to the keel bolts in the bottom of the bilge.  The others
> are all easy…except the one under the mast!  I will be pulling my rig next
> year to do maintenance and tighten that bolt.
>
> ** **
>
> Jake
>
> ** **
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C&C 35 Mk-III*
>
> *Midnight Mistress*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> Saur
> *Sent:* Monday, April 01, 2013 10:11 AM
>
> *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3
>
> ** **
>
> Good morning all.  I have the original manual for my new-to-me 35-3, and
> they do not specify the size of the keelbolt or nut.  Only thing listed is
> "other size" and three possible dimensions for the keel bolts. (Same table
> as listed at the CnC photoalbum)  
>
>  
>
> I would measure these guys, but the boat is a couple hundred miles away.
> Anyone know the sizes so I can bring the right socket arsenal to get them
> tight?  Any other sage advice from experience?  Thanks for the continued
> great reading...
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
> C$C 35-3
>
> Morning Sky
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3

[Jake Brodersen]

Chuck,

 

You bring up a very sore subject, but one that I must soon address.  There
is a small area just to the port side of centerline, in front of the mast
that collects water.  If left full, it will spill over into the bottom of
the head door sill.  The area just below the head door on my boat is soggy,
as is the bulkhead just forward of it.  It has been caused by water that
didn't drain.  C&C put the bulkheads into the bottom of the boat and glassed
them in.  Unfortunately, they got wet and wicked up a lot of water.  I will
eventually deconstruct the head and redo the whole thing.  Not this year
though!

 

I am drill a hole through the longitudinal member, just in front of the mast
to facilitate drainage.  I will put in a PEX tube (3/8") with some 3M 4200.
I used the same arrangement in the other areas where I added limber holes.
Easy to do with a drill or dremel.

 

I'm a native Michigander from St. Ignace.

 

Jake

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
Saur
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel bolt specs 35-3

 

Thanks, Jake!  Mast is pulled, and keelbolts are all accessible...so
a'torquing we will go.  Now...changing channels a bit...do you have an issue
with the buildup of water and gunk beneath the aft shower bulkhead, in one
of the 'honeycombs'?  I read a strand that had suggested drilling some
drainage or 'limber holes' from these water-catchers.  My floor and bulkhead
has some rot near the area.  I hallucinate that's the only reason the PO
sold the boat...

 

I wonder if anyone with a similar problem has cleaned these voids and filled
the little goobers with poly resin or West epoxy?  Seems easier to pump them
full of impenetrable goo, as drilling the 'limber holes' looks formidable.
But is there a downside to where else water from the mast might collect?
Gotta go somewhere...hopefully into the bilge? 

 

Sorry if I am 'dredging up' and old solved problem...but 'tis the season...

 

ps...weather in Michigan resembles upper Finland right now.  They are still
ice fishing some lakes.  Lots of time to do stuff to sailboats here.  cs

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Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels

[Dennis C.]

Bob,

Is that a hint?  

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





>
> From: Bob Moriarty 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 7:50 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels
> 
>
>The engine control panel on Ox has a push-button starter switch. It's like an 
>honor system. If someone wants to steal Ox they just have to cast off the 
>lines and sail away. 
>
>
>Bob M
>Ox 33-1 
>Jax, FL
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Gary Nylander  
>wrote:
>
> 
>>I replaced the Yanmar ignition switch on Penniless for 
that reason - I had bent two keys because of where the panel is located - 
>
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Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?

[Stevan Plavsa]

Sorry, I typically include that info as a signature. Just deciding on 5 oz
or 6.3 oz now. Boat is a C&C 32 sailed in and around Toronto. Light air
most of the summer, more wind in the spring and fall. This will be my only
headsail for the time being so I'm looking for a compromise between
longevity and light air performance. Because it's my only headsail however
it needs to get me home when the wind picks up. I suppose at some time in
the future I can buy a #3 for the windier days but for now this will have
to do. Or I could get a used #3, it won't get used as much as the bigger
sail.

Thanks,
Steve
C&C 32
Toronto



On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:48 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> Lolita
> 1973 viking 33
> Westport Point, MA
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Chuck S 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 13:45:07 + (UTC)
>
> Great info.
> Helps to post the size of your boat when comparing sails, so please
> include boat model and where you sail also?
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> --
> *From: *djhaug...@juno.com
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 1, 2013 9:16:37 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
>
> Here is what I got from Rolly Tasker;
>
> 135% Roller Furling Genoa - 7.3oz dacron, foam on luff, Pacific Blue
> Sunbrella UV protection, luff tape to suit existing furling system - $1,675
>
> Just for informational purposes...
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Stevan Plavsa 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 08:14:58 -0400
>
>
> Thanks for all the great feedback everyone. Rolly Tasker has given me the
> best price by a wide margin. A new Genny shipped to me for $1500, their
> 'coastal cruising' line.
>
> Question to you all, 5 oz or 6.3 oz dacron?
> Dacron UV strip or Sunbrella?
>
> I am leaning towards the 6.3 oz and the sunbrella but maybe that's not a
> good idea here on Lake Ontario where the summer is mostly light. I just
> want a sail that will last, these are cruising sails. I'm afraid with the
> heavier material it'll be harder to fill in light air. How much more
> resilient is the sunbrella over the dacron for the UV strip and how much of
> a difference is there really between the 5 oz and 6.3 oz in terms of weight
> and light air performance? They actually quoted me 5 oz and dacron UV at
> first, maybe they know what they're talking about.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dwight veinot <
> dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
>> Tasker sails are good sails IMHO
>>
>> �
>>
>> Dwight Veinot
>>
>> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>>
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>
>> �
>> --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Frederick
>> G Street
>> *Sent:* March 28, 2013 11:58 AM
>>
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail Quote - am I delusional?
>>
>>
>>
>> �
>>
>> Mike Tasker from Rolly Tasker just got back to me on a quote for a new
>> genny:
>>
>> �
>>
>> 135% Roller Furling Genoa Offshore � � � � US$
>>
>> 7 oz US Dacron Crosscut � � � � � � � � � � � � 820.00
>>
>> Max Luff TBA?: �LP 21.94m2
>>
>> UV Sunbrella on leech and foot � � � � � � � � 266.00
>>
>> Luff Foam � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �192.00
>>
>> �
>>
>> 1 sail UPS door to door delivery � � � � � � � �126.00
>>
>> �
>>
>> $1400 for a new 135%? �What's not to love? �Am I missing something here?
>>
>> �
>>
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V�*Oceanis*�(1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI���:^(
>>
>> �
>>
>> �
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> Check Rolly Tasker if you are looking for a sail made offshore. Radial
>> sails have smaller panels. In theory they last longer. Let them flog
>> and they all turn to crap.
>> --
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 87, Issue 5

[ssjohnson]

Hi MarekI installed the WaterWitch switch (model 230?) In Alegria after I 
purchased her in 2006.  She did not have an automatic switch by PO's.  I did 
have to construct a bracket to mount it and a manual DPDT lighted bilge pump 
switch on that bracket, so, when examining the bilge I can operate it manually. 
 It is wired directly to the batteries with a fuse.  The WaterWitch has 
functioned flawlessly.  I do keep my bilge clean, and if it gets something else 
in it besides good clean water it gets a good cleaning.
Hope that helps...

Spencer Johnson
1984 C&C LF 38 "Alegria" #165
~~~_/) * 
Mount Prospect, IL
Winters at Larsen Marine in Waukegan, IL
Summers at Gaslight Pointe Marina, Racine, WI



On Mar 31, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Marek Dziedzic  wrote:
Hi,
I think there was long discussion on that a while back.
I have to install a bilge pump switch. Any opinions on Water Witch (
http://waterwitchinc.com/online_cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&produ
ts_id=5>
ttp://waterwitchinc.com/online_cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&produc
s_id=5 ) (and any other solid state switch)?
Thanks
Marek (in Ottawa)




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