Re: [ANN] Discontinuing 4clojure.com

[Tim Visher]

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 4:26 PM Alan Malloy  wrote:

> TL;DR: Turning off 4clojure.com by the end of July 2021
>
> Hello, 4clojure problem solvers. You've probably noticed SSL errors on
> 4clojure.com over the last week. The old decrepit system 4clojure runs on
> has finally gotten out of date enough that I can't even figure out how to
> get it recent enough that SSL certs will auto-renew anymore.
>
> In principle I could start from scratch on a new server and move 4clojure
> over, but I won't. 4clojure has been piggybacking along on a server that I
> use for personal reasons, and over the years I have less and less reason to
> keep paying for that server - it's now pretty much just 4clojure costing me
> an embarrassing amount of money every month because I haven't wanted to
> disappoint the community by shutting it down. This SSL thing is just what
> made me finally pull the trigger.
>
> I don't have a specific EOL date in mind, but sometime near the end of the
> month, since that's the billing cycle. Until that time, 4clojure still
> works, as long as you don't mind clicking through the security warnings -
> it really is still me hosting the site, and since the connection is still
> HTTPS (albeit with an invalid cert) I think that means your data is still
> safe. If you have solutions to problems you're proud of, you've still got
> some time to print them out and put them up on your refrigerator.
>
> I'm not seeking new maintainers. I'd feel uncomfortable handing over a
> database with so many email addresses and password hashes in it to anyone.
> The service has had a good run - just over a decade since the first
> release
> .
> I hope you enjoyed it during that time.
>

Thank you for your work maintaining it for so long, Alan! IIUC it's open
source  so if someone else feels
passionately about it being available they can always start it up again.

No hard feelings. We all have to make difficult calls about our time and
attention. :)

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Re: [ANN] Discontinuing 4clojure.com

[Gary Verhaegen]

Thanks a lot for keeping it running for so long! 4clojure was really
instrumental in my Clojure journey.

On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 at 22:26, Alan Malloy  wrote:

> TL;DR: Turning off 4clojure.com by the end of July 2021
>
> Hello, 4clojure problem solvers. You've probably noticed SSL errors on
> 4clojure.com over the last week. The old decrepit system 4clojure runs on
> has finally gotten out of date enough that I can't even figure out how to
> get it recent enough that SSL certs will auto-renew anymore.
>
> In principle I could start from scratch on a new server and move 4clojure
> over, but I won't. 4clojure has been piggybacking along on a server that I
> use for personal reasons, and over the years I have less and less reason to
> keep paying for that server - it's now pretty much just 4clojure costing me
> an embarrassing amount of money every month because I haven't wanted to
> disappoint the community by shutting it down. This SSL thing is just what
> made me finally pull the trigger.
>
> I don't have a specific EOL date in mind, but sometime near the end of the
> month, since that's the billing cycle. Until that time, 4clojure still
> works, as long as you don't mind clicking through the security warnings -
> it really is still me hosting the site, and since the connection is still
> HTTPS (albeit with an invalid cert) I think that means your data is still
> safe. If you have solutions to problems you're proud of, you've still got
> some time to print them out and put them up on your refrigerator.
>
> I'm not seeking new maintainers. I'd feel uncomfortable handing over a
> database with so many email addresses and password hashes in it to anyone.
> The service has had a good run - just over a decade since the first
> release
> .
> I hope you enjoyed it during that time.
>
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Re: [ANN] Discontinuing 4clojure.com

[Cora Sutton]

Thanks so much for 4clojure! Tools like this help so many people and helped
me in particularly when I was just getting started.

I am in no way affiliated with them but
https://exercism.io is another site with code challenges that I used for
clojure while I was learning it.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 12:23 PM Gary Verhaegen 
wrote:

> Thanks a lot for keeping it running for so long! 4clojure was really
> instrumental in my Clojure journey.
>
> On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 at 22:26, Alan Malloy  wrote:
>
>> TL;DR: Turning off 4clojure.com by the end of July 2021
>>
>> Hello, 4clojure problem solvers. You've probably noticed SSL errors on
>> 4clojure.com over the last week. The old decrepit system 4clojure runs
>> on has finally gotten out of date enough that I can't even figure out how
>> to get it recent enough that SSL certs will auto-renew anymore.
>>
>> In principle I could start from scratch on a new server and move 4clojure
>> over, but I won't. 4clojure has been piggybacking along on a server that I
>> use for personal reasons, and over the years I have less and less reason to
>> keep paying for that server - it's now pretty much just 4clojure costing me
>> an embarrassing amount of money every month because I haven't wanted to
>> disappoint the community by shutting it down. This SSL thing is just what
>> made me finally pull the trigger.
>>
>> I don't have a specific EOL date in mind, but sometime near the end of
>> the month, since that's the billing cycle. Until that time, 4clojure still
>> works, as long as you don't mind clicking through the security warnings -
>> it really is still me hosting the site, and since the connection is still
>> HTTPS (albeit with an invalid cert) I think that means your data is still
>> safe. If you have solutions to problems you're proud of, you've still got
>> some time to print them out and put them up on your refrigerator.
>>
>> I'm not seeking new maintainers. I'd feel uncomfortable handing over a
>> database with so many email addresses and password hashes in it to anyone.
>> The service has had a good run - just over a decade since the first
>> release
>> .
>> I hope you enjoyed it during that time.
>>
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Re: [ANN] Discontinuing 4clojure.com

['Bardia Pourvakil' via Clojure]

Thanks so much for maintaining this project, Alan. It has been instrumental 
to my journey learning Clojure. I work for Roam Research, and our founder, 
Conor White-Sullivan, is also a huge fan. We would love to talk to you 
further about the future of 4clojure. Please email me back if you're 
interested.

Cheers,

Bardia
On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 2:26:05 PM UTC-6 Alan Malloy wrote:

> TL;DR: Turning off 4clojure.com by the end of July 2021
>
> Hello, 4clojure problem solvers. You've probably noticed SSL errors on 
> 4clojure.com over the last week. The old decrepit system 4clojure runs on 
> has finally gotten out of date enough that I can't even figure out how to 
> get it recent enough that SSL certs will auto-renew anymore.
>
> In principle I could start from scratch on a new server and move 4clojure 
> over, but I won't. 4clojure has been piggybacking along on a server that I 
> use for personal reasons, and over the years I have less and less reason to 
> keep paying for that server - it's now pretty much just 4clojure costing me 
> an embarrassing amount of money every month because I haven't wanted to 
> disappoint the community by shutting it down. This SSL thing is just what 
> made me finally pull the trigger.
>
> I don't have a specific EOL date in mind, but sometime near the end of the 
> month, since that's the billing cycle. Until that time, 4clojure still 
> works, as long as you don't mind clicking through the security warnings - 
> it really is still me hosting the site, and since the connection is still 
> HTTPS (albeit with an invalid cert) I think that means your data is still 
> safe. If you have solutions to problems you're proud of, you've still got 
> some time to print them out and put them up on your refrigerator.
>
> I'm not seeking new maintainers. I'd feel uncomfortable handing over a 
> database with so many email addresses and password hashes in it to anyone. 
> The service has had a good run - just over a decade since the first 
> release 
> .
>  
> I hope you enjoyed it during that time.
>

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Re: [ANN] Discontinuing 4clojure.com

[Colin Yates]

Thanks for all your work Alan - a decade is a lifetime in open source :-).

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Jul 2021, at 21:26, Alan Malloy  wrote:
> 
> 
> TL;DR: Turning off 4clojure.com by the end of July 2021
> 
> Hello, 4clojure problem solvers. You've probably noticed SSL errors on 
> 4clojure.com over the last week. The old decrepit system 4clojure runs on has 
> finally gotten out of date enough that I can't even figure out how to get it 
> recent enough that SSL certs will auto-renew anymore.
> 
> In principle I could start from scratch on a new server and move 4clojure 
> over, but I won't. 4clojure has been piggybacking along on a server that I 
> use for personal reasons, and over the years I have less and less reason to 
> keep paying for that server - it's now pretty much just 4clojure costing me 
> an embarrassing amount of money every month because I haven't wanted to 
> disappoint the community by shutting it down. This SSL thing is just what 
> made me finally pull the trigger.
> 
> I don't have a specific EOL date in mind, but sometime near the end of the 
> month, since that's the billing cycle. Until that time, 4clojure still works, 
> as long as you don't mind clicking through the security warnings - it really 
> is still me hosting the site, and since the connection is still HTTPS (albeit 
> with an invalid cert) I think that means your data is still safe. If you have 
> solutions to problems you're proud of, you've still got some time to print 
> them out and put them up on your refrigerator.
> 
> I'm not seeking new maintainers. I'd feel uncomfortable handing over a 
> database with so many email addresses and password hashes in it to anyone. 
> The service has had a good run - just over a decade since the first release. 
> I hope you enjoyed it during that time.
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Re: [ANN] Discontinuing 4clojure.com

[aditya....@gmail.com]

Thanks to all the 4clojure maintainers and contributors, and special thanks 
to you, Alan for keeping the lights on for so long. 

4clojure helped me as I muddled through learning Clojure almost eight years 
ago (good grief, eight years!). At the time it was perhaps the only 
beginner-accessible _and fun!_ way to get introduced to the language. Being 
able to see other peoples solutions was a huge part of the learning process 
--- exposure to other peoples' ideas and thought process is so precious.

It's been a great run. I feel happy-sad but also hopeful that, like great 
art, it finds a new life in a new way.

Live long and prosper \\//_
On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 1:56:05 AM UTC+5:30 Alan Malloy wrote:

> TL;DR: Turning off 4clojure.com by the end of July 2021
>
> Hello, 4clojure problem solvers. You've probably noticed SSL errors on 
> 4clojure.com over the last week. The old decrepit system 4clojure runs on 
> has finally gotten out of date enough that I can't even figure out how to 
> get it recent enough that SSL certs will auto-renew anymore.
>
> In principle I could start from scratch on a new server and move 4clojure 
> over, but I won't. 4clojure has been piggybacking along on a server that I 
> use for personal reasons, and over the years I have less and less reason to 
> keep paying for that server - it's now pretty much just 4clojure costing me 
> an embarrassing amount of money every month because I haven't wanted to 
> disappoint the community by shutting it down. This SSL thing is just what 
> made me finally pull the trigger.
>
> I don't have a specific EOL date in mind, but sometime near the end of the 
> month, since that's the billing cycle. Until that time, 4clojure still 
> works, as long as you don't mind clicking through the security warnings - 
> it really is still me hosting the site, and since the connection is still 
> HTTPS (albeit with an invalid cert) I think that means your data is still 
> safe. If you have solutions to problems you're proud of, you've still got 
> some time to print them out and put them up on your refrigerator.
>
> I'm not seeking new maintainers. I'd feel uncomfortable handing over a 
> database with so many email addresses and password hashes in it to anyone. 
> The service has had a good run - just over a decade since the first 
> release 
> .
>  
> I hope you enjoyed it during that time.
>

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