Re: source of functions

[Rogier Peters]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Phil Hagelberg  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Rogier Peters  
> wrote:
>> With all the higher-order functions in the new reducers, I was
>> wondering if it is possible to print a generated function, like using
>> (source f).
>
> You need serializable-fn for that:
>
> https://github.com/technomancy/serializable-fn
>
> -Phil

Thanks! I'll give it a try

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Re: [ANN] clojure.java.jdbc 0.2.3 available on Maven Central

[Vinzent]

Actually, jsql looks very much like clojureql\korma. Honetly, I wish see 
better support for clojureql rather than new similar DSLs coming up.

четверг, 21 июня 2012 г., 11:36:24 UTC+6 пользователь Sean Corfield написал:
>
> Just two changes in this release: 
>
> * as-str now treats a.b as two identifiers separated by . so quoting 
> produces [a].[b] instead of [a.b] 
>
> This was a bug that I'm kind of surprised no one had tripped over yet. 
> I fell over it as soon as I tried to build a DSL on top of the 
> library. 
>
> * Add :connection-uri option 
> [JDBC-34](http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/JDBC-34) 
>
> This was added in response to an observation by Chas Emerick about the 
> lack of any way to create a connection directly from a raw connection 
> URL and the DriverManager. 
>
> The next "big" release will add a new, more functional API (query, 
> execute!, insert!, update!, delete! etc). The jury is still out on a 
> simple DSL for common SQL operations. You can see a hint of where I'm 
> going in this repo: https://github.com/seancorfield/jsql 
>
> Clarification (based on some off-list comments I've received): I have 
> no intention of trying to shoehorn something like Korma or ClojureQL 
> into java.jdbc. Any DSL that gets added will be simple and only 
> intended to deal with common cases - and with an easy way to drop down 
> to SQL itself. The main thrust is to get an API i place that doesn't 
> rely on dynamic variables. 
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Re: A tutorial for how to setup your clojure development environment for: Emacs, Leiningen and Linux.

[Jim - FooBar();]

On 21/06/12 03:58, John Gabriele wrote:

Sometimes you need to spend time with an editor + repl to see the
value in something more sophisticated.

Also, I suppose sometimes you end up sticking with the editor + repl
anyway.:)


exactlypersonally I'm sticking to editor + embedded repl until 
light-table comes out!


Jim

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Re: How to go about finding a Clojure job

[Erol Akarsu]

Colin,

I love Clojure language and have done small personal projects. Actually, I 
like all types of functional languages, had a lot of experience on xquery 
and related technologies, schema and lisp.
May I learn what you are doing?

Erol Akarsu

On Monday, June 18, 2012 9:27:53 AM UTC-4, Colin Steele wrote:
>
> Or send me yours.  We're a full-on clojure shop in Charlottesville, VA.
>
> On Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, tbc++ wrote:
>>
>> I'm about to begin the process of looking for a new job, and would 
>> like to find one that focuses on Clojure. Can anyone suggest some good 
>> ways to go about this? It seems like posting my resume on this mailing 
>> list would be a bit off-topic. 
>>
>> As far as location goes, I'm looking in the Denver, CO area, but am 
>> also open to 100% telecommute. 
>>
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
>> Timothy Baldridge 
>>
>

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Re: A tutorial for how to setup your clojure development environment for: Emacs, Leiningen and Linux.

[John Stevenson]

I created a guide from my recent experience with Clojure + Leiningen2 +
Emacs (on Linux and Mac OSX) that hopefully makes it very easy for
developers to get a productive environment.

http://clojure.jr0cket.co.uk/perfect-environment

I would be willing to contribute any or all of this if its useful to the
official docs on Confluence.  I will have a look at what is required to
contribute to dev.clojure.org.

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On 13 June 2012 20:33, fenton  wrote:

>
> https://github.com/ftravers/PublicDocumentation/blob/master/clojure-development-setup.md
>
> An index to other clojure tutorials:
>
>
> https://github.com/ftravers/PublicDocumentation/blob/master/clojure-index.md
>
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aot compilation of clojure source code...

[jim.foobar]

Hey guys I was just wondering

If we aot compile a namespace in clojure will it be harder to decompile 
than the Java equivalent? Recently, the concept of securing code came up 
where I work and  was asked what Clojure does for that...Now, from what 
I've noticed libraries tend to be shipped with regular source-code 
rather than AOT compiled. what  happens though if one wants to protect 
his code? java classes are very easy to decompile even if names have 
been obfuscated...Will the same thing happen in clojure? Presumably yes 
cos it is JVM bytecode at the end of the day...


Jim

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Re: [ANN] clojure.java.jdbc 0.2.3 available on Maven Central

[Sean Corfield]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Vinzent  wrote:
> Actually, jsql looks very much like clojureql\korma.

jsql has completely different goals to ClojureQL/Korma and is mostly a
convenience for generating the sort of SQL that the update!, insert!
and delete! methods need under the hood (c.j.jdbc has to generate that
SQL anyway - might as well make the methods public). The
select/where/order-by has evolved out of our common usage at World
Singles where we have get-by-id and find-by-keys and similar CRUD
functions. jsql is deliberately very close to the "metal" of SQL and
is not intended to be composable etc. Folks wanting a full-blown DSL
should indeed use Korma (or ClojureQL).

> Honetly, I wish see
> better support for clojureql rather than new similar DSLs coming up.

Lau hasn't updated ClojureQL for a while - if you want better support,
perhaps you should approach him and contribute to that project?
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Complex network algorithms

[Matthew Rocklin]

Is there a central repository for graph/complex network algorithms?

Specifically I'm interested in algorithms intended for larger graphs like
centrality measures, clustering coefficients, etc...

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Re: aot compilation of clojure source code...

[Phil Hagelberg]

"jim.foobar"  writes:

> If we aot compile a namespace in clojure will it be harder to
> decompile than the Java equivalent? Recently, the concept of securing
> code came up where I work and  was asked what Clojure does for
> that...Now, from what I've noticed libraries tend to be shipped with
> regular source-code rather than AOT compiled. what  happens though if
> one wants to protect his code? java classes are very easy to decompile
> even if names have been obfuscated...Will the same thing happen in
> clojure?

If you ship code to someone, they are going to be able to learn how it
works if they want.

There are things you can do to make it more difficult to varying
degrees, but nothing can make it impossible. It's basically the same
problem as making unbreakable DRM.

-Phil

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Update to downloads page?

[John Gabriele]

Hi,

It appears to me that, at the top of http://clojure.org/downloads , it
should say,

"Though, for typical use, install
[Leiningen](http://leiningen.org/index.html) and have it take care of
getting Clojure for you."

Would it be possible to change this? I've sent in my CA, but don't
know if Rich got it yet.

Thanks,
---John

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Re: Standard alias for partial?

[Maik Schünemann]

something like %() becomes possible with reader literals in clojure 1.4
Not sure if it is a good idea though also, top level literals are
reserved

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Jay Fields  wrote:
   I'd actually like to see %(...) become (partial ...), as I think

> people associate % with anonymous functions. Which is why I chose (%
> ...), as it's close to what I wish we had.
>
> I get your point though, and I don't disagree. But, this does keep
> coming up, so I think a shorter syntax for partial would be nice,
> whether it's %(), #&() or whatever.
>
> Cheers, Jay
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Timothy Baldridge 
> wrote:
> >> uh, it's going to do what you expect...
> >>
> >> user=>  (def % partial)
> >> #'user/%
> >> user=> (map #(inc %) [1 2 3])
> >> (2 3 4)
> >
> > My point was that you have overloaded the meaning of the % symbol. If
> > someone says "what does % mean in clojure". You can say "it's
> > shorthand for the first argument in the shorthand version of the
> > anonymous function definition.", now you have to say "well it depends
> > on the scope"
> >
> > Please, don't ever take reader macros and re-define them out of scope
> > to mean something else. It just confuses people and makes the code
> > harder to read.
> >
> > Timothy
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Re: reloading protocols causes problems

[Jeff Rose]

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:53:41 PM UTC+1, David Nolen wrote:
>
>
> Looking forward to an Overtone API over WebAudio (
> http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/index.html) :)
>
> David
>

This has been discussed briefly, but it would be a serious undertaking to 
develop something approximating the functionality of the SuperCollider 
synthesis engine we currently use.  That said, our instruments are just 
functions, so it might be feasible to use a lot of the music making 
capabilities of Overtone on top of a fresh synthesis layer done using 
WebAudio...  Someday maybe.

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Re: [ANN] clojure.java.jdbc 0.2.3 available on Maven Central

[Kevin Downey]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Sean Corfield  wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Vinzent  wrote:
>> Actually, jsql looks very much like clojureql\korma.
>
> jsql has completely different goals to ClojureQL/Korma and is mostly a
> convenience for generating the sort of SQL that the update!, insert!
> and delete! methods need under the hood (c.j.jdbc has to generate that
> SQL anyway - might as well make the methods public). The
> select/where/order-by has evolved out of our common usage at World
> Singles where we have get-by-id and find-by-keys and similar CRUD
> functions. jsql is deliberately very close to the "metal" of SQL and
> is not intended to be composable etc. Folks wanting a full-blown DSL
> should indeed use Korma (or ClojureQL).
>
>> Honetly, I wish see
>> better support for clojureql rather than new similar DSLs coming up.
>
> Lau hasn't updated ClojureQL for a while - if you want better support,
> perhaps you should approach him and contribute to that project?
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given java.jdbc's position as the sort of lower level glue all these
libraries are built on, maybe better then including a DSL in java.jdbc
would be including an AST (some data representation of sql) and a
compiler for same.

you can argue that "well code is data" so the dsl is an exposed data
representation of sql, none of the dsls are low level enough to be
targeted by any of the others.

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Re: reloading protocols causes problems

[Jeff Rose]

Sure, but if the protocol hasn't changed, does a new type need to be 
generated?  Maybe this is too much to ask, but I would imagine that the 
compiler could inspect the current protocol of the same name and compare it 
with the newly evaluated one, and then only generate a new type when 
necessary.  I don't know how this machinery works currently so this could 
be a naive or incorrect way of thinking about it, but if possible it would 
really improve protocols for use in dynamic development.

-Jeff

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:49:13 PM UTC+1, Phil Hagelberg wrote:
>
> Protocols necessarily make some unfortunate dynamicity trade-offs in the 
> name of self-hosting. If you value interactive development over execution 
> efficiency perhaps they are not the right choice.
>
> -Phil
>

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Re: aot compilation of clojure source code...

[Jim - FooBar();]

Yes ok I do get that...but wouldn't you agree that is slightly easier 
for plain Java than it is for clojure? Especially for someone that has 
no idea how the clojure compiler works...for example if you decompile a 
clojrue ns it just seems plain wrong!!!


x = null;
y= null;
//do something with x and y

This is just plain confusing for a a java person isn't it?

Jim


On 21/06/12 18:44, Phil Hagelberg wrote:

"jim.foobar"  writes:


If we aot compile a namespace in clojure will it be harder to
decompile than the Java equivalent? Recently, the concept of securing
code came up where I work and  was asked what Clojure does for
that...Now, from what I've noticed libraries tend to be shipped with
regular source-code rather than AOT compiled. what  happens though if
one wants to protect his code? java classes are very easy to decompile
even if names have been obfuscated...Will the same thing happen in
clojure?

If you ship code to someone, they are going to be able to learn how it
works if they want.

There are things you can do to make it more difficult to varying
degrees, but nothing can make it impossible. It's basically the same
problem as making unbreakable DRM.

-Phil



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Re: Update to downloads page?

[Timothy Baldridge]

Or perhaps something like this:

"Although it is possible to download Clojure directly here , for
a more complete package management system please see Leiningen."

But yes, I agree, we need a big fat notice that says "don't download
directly unless you know what you're doing".

Timothy

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM, John Gabriele  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It appears to me that, at the top of http://clojure.org/downloads , it
> should say,
>
> "Though, for typical use, install
> [Leiningen](http://leiningen.org/index.html) and have it take care of
> getting Clojure for you."
>
> Would it be possible to change this? I've sent in my CA, but don't
> know if Rich got it yet.
>
> Thanks,
> ---John
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ann: Updated Brief Beginner's Guide to cover Lein 2 prev6 and OpenJDK 7

[John Gabriele]

Updated Brief Beginner's Guide to cover Leiningen 2.0.0-preview6 and OpenJDK 7:

http://www.unexpected-vortices.com/clojure/brief-beginners-guide/

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Re: aot compilation of clojure source code...

[Phil Hagelberg]

"Jim - FooBar();"  writes:

> Yes ok I do get that...but wouldn't you agree that is slightly easier
> for plain Java than it is for clojure? Especially for someone that has
> no idea how the clojure compiler works...for example if you decompile
> a clojrue ns it just seems plain wrong!!!
>
> x = null;
> y= null;
> //do something with x and y
>
> This is just plain confusing for a a java person isn't it?

Sure, it always depends on how much someone wants to figure it out. If
they're determined I'm sure they can figure out how locals-clearing
works. Reconstructing something approximating the original Clojure
source from bytecode is probably very hard, but learning how the program
works is not necessarily.

-Phil

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Re: aot compilation of clojure source code...

[Alan Malloy]

On Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:36:21 PM UTC-7, Phil Hagelberg wrote:
>
> "Jim - FooBar();"  writes: 
>
> > Yes ok I do get that...but wouldn't you agree that is slightly easier 
> > for plain Java than it is for clojure? Especially for someone that has 
> > no idea how the clojure compiler works...for example if you decompile 
> > a clojrue ns it just seems plain wrong!!! 
> > 
> > x = null; 
> > y= null; 
> > //do something with x and y 
> > 
> > This is just plain confusing for a a java person isn't it? 
>
> Sure, it always depends on how much someone wants to figure it out. If 
> they're determined I'm sure they can figure out how locals-clearing 
> works. Reconstructing something approximating the original Clojure 
> source from bytecode is probably very hard, but learning how the program 
> works is not necessarily. 


It's really not that hard - for any given function, reconstructing what it 
does from the bytecode is mostly a matter of tedium, not of genius. 
Closures are a little more complicated because you have to figure out what 
context they fit into, but it's not terribly difficult because the Clojure 
compiler is pretty regular about how it does things. 

>  
>

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Re: Standard alias for partial?

[Denis Labaye]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:25 PM, JvJ  wrote:

> This is not really a big deal, but I was wondering if there was a shorter
> alias for partial in the standard library.  It seems like one of those
> things that should require a single-character operator.


Interesting, I am also interested in finding an "idiomatic" way of aliasing
comp and partial.

Francois Devlin in his Full Disclojure pocast (
http://vimeo.com/channels/fulldisclojure/8665159) is using:

(def & comp)
(def p partial)

Can't be simpler, but of course you can't use p as a variable anymore.

Couldn't we use single non-ASCII characters character for example Greek
letters, ...?
APL anyone ?, no ? :)


Denis



>
> I usually do something like this :
>
> (def $ partial)
>
> I wonder if something like that could be integrated into the library...
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