[CentOS] centos 5.1 install , 3ware raid card...

[Tom Bishop]

Installing a new system using a 3ware card, raid 5 across 4 disks,
partition, format went smothly and loaded the apps that I need, but for some
reason it appears grub was not installed, or not completely.  I am wanting
to boot from the array, when installing grub on the loader it asks whether
to install MBR on the first partition.  Should I use the partition instead
of the MBR?  When I boot up in rescue mode and go to /boot/grub all I see is
splashno other files.  Any suggestions would be welcome...thanks.
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Re: [CentOS] centos 5.1 install , 3ware raid card...

[Tom Bishop]

Its an older system raid 5 - 4 250gb drives for 750gb partition.  The
install went fine but grub did not get installed for some reason so I wasn't
sure if I should install grub to the mbr or the first partition

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Joshua Baker-LePain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 at 7:20pm, Tom Bishop wrote
>
> > Installing a new system using a 3ware card, raid 5 across 4 disks,
> > partition, format went smothly and loaded the apps that I need, but for
> some
> > reason it appears grub was not installed, or not completely.  I am
> wanting
> > to boot from the array, when installing grub on the loader it asks
> whether
> > to install MBR on the first partition.  Should I use the partition
> instead
> > of the MBR?  When I boot up in rescue mode and go to /boot/grub all I
> see is
> > splashno other files.  Any suggestions would be welcome...thanks.
>
> How big is the array?
>
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Re: [CentOS] Installing VMWare Server 1.0.3 on CentOS 5

[Tom Bishop]

I assumed you had the kernel-devel pkgs installed, if not make sure that is
done...that for sure will stop it from happening.

On 6/29/07, Tom Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Mark this is a running problem with fedora, and I don't think that vmware
has released an update for RHEL5 yet, so what I would do is go look for
vmware-any-any-update* patch and run this when trying to compile vmware
server from your host.  Here's a link to a post that leads to the patch
http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=635622򛋦 , I
think eventually vmware will come out with a new version that will compile
correctly and I suspect it will be in the next release but this should work
for now.  I always run fedora core for my host o/s and have to use the patch
everytime, I use centos o/s for my guests...go figure, in my main box I run
myth and its easier to get eorking with fedora...:)  Hope this helps.

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> I was in the process of installing VMWare Server 1.0.3 via the tarball I
> downloaded from their site.  When it asked for the C header files for my
> installed kernel (2.6.18-6), hey could not be found.  When I initially
> installed CentOS, I made sure everything was included, so I am at a loss why
> they can not be found.  I haven't tried installing it via the RPM, but I
> don't think it will make a difference.  Any and all thoughts are
> appreciated.  Thanks!
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Re: [CentOS] Installing VMWare Server 1.0.3 on CentOS 5

[Tom Bishop]

Here look at this link it has most if no0t all of the details
http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=642278򜳦

On 6/29/07, Brian Mathis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 6/29/07, Mark Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was in the process of installing VMWare Server 1.0.3 via the tarball I
downloaded from their site.  When it asked for the C header files for my
installed kernel (2.6.18-6), hey could not be found.  When I initially
installed CentOS, I made sure everything was included, so I am at a loss why
they can not be found.  I haven't tried installing it via the RPM, but I
don't think it will make a difference.  Any and all thoughts are
appreciated.  Thanks!
>
> Mark

Once you have the kernel-devel package installed, I believe you need
to make a link called /usr/src/linux from the actual location of the
kernel headers.  Sorry I can't be more specific.  I did that a month
or so ago, and I'm not at that machine right now.
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Re: [CentOS] Installing VMWare Server 1.0.3 on CentOS 5

[Tom Bishop]

Mark this is a running problem with fedora, and I don't think that vmware
has released an update for RHEL5 yet, so what I would do is go look for
vmware-any-any-update* patch and run this when trying to compile vmware
server from your host.  Here's a link to a post that leads to the patch
http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=635622򛋦 , I
think eventually vmware will come out with a new version that will compile
correctly and I suspect it will be in the next release but this should work
for now.  I always run fedora core for my host o/s and have to use the patch
everytime, I use centos o/s for my guests...go figure, in my main box I run
myth and its easier to get eorking with fedora...:)  Hope this helps.

On 6/29/07, Mark Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I was in the process of installing VMWare Server 1.0.3 via the tarball I
downloaded from their site.  When it asked for the C header files for my
installed kernel (2.6.18-6), hey could not be found.  When I initially
installed CentOS, I made sure everything was included, so I am at a loss why
they can not be found.  I haven't tried installing it via the RPM, but I
don't think it will make a difference.  Any and all thoughts are
appreciated.  Thanks!

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0 new virtualization features?

[Tom Bishop]

Spot on KB, I like KVM but the management tools are just not quite there,
unless your a big installation and can run RHEV on a windoze server.  I know
they are moving towards an open source RHEV implementation but it appears
that it will take awhile to get there.  I still plan to use KVM but will
just manage with the cli or egads virt-manager for now for my small
installations.



> There is a distinct shift towards KVM as the virt-platform of choice,
> but I still feel the management tools around it are not quite 'there' as
> yet.
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Re: [CentOS] 32-bit compat-gcc on 64-bit CentOS?

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-snip

>
> Does anybody know how to set up KVM on a headless, unattended server to
> run a virtual machine automatically on boot? I've only ever used it on
> my desktop with pointy-clicky tools like virt-manager. Even still, I
> usually use VirtualBox for virtual machines on my desktop.
>
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So you can still use virt-manager if using 5.4 and up and have it has a
setting to autostart when the physical machine boots, virt-manager works
fine as long as your vm's are fairly straight forward, I have several
running this way.  To make it headless I would just load freenx and then you
can get into the box and do whatever you need to do, plus I load freenx in
all of my vm's so I have access to them, although you can do most everything
with KVM from the command prompt if needed with virsh...
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Re: [CentOS] CentOSPlus kernel (Was: Centos 6 Update?)

[Tom Bishop]

This is excellent information Akemi, provides opportunities for folks to dig
in and specific information that is needed and where to go to learn
more...Thanks! :)

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Akemi Yagi  wrote:

> Changing the subject line for good ...
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Lamar Owen  wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 07, 2011 11:23:51 AM Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
> >> AIUI: In previous releases, RH distributed source + patches.  Starting
> >> 6.0 RH releases patched source.  This makes backing out a patch, or
> >> backporting patches from future development in Fedora (e.g.) far more
> >> nightmarish than before.
> >
> > This one doesn't impact the CentOS core rebuild.  It would/could impact
> CentOSPlus.
>
> Yes, it _could_ affect the centosplus kernel. This point was addressed
> early on when RHEL-6 was released back in Nov 2010. See:
>
> http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=4586
>
> Point 2 (note 12051) is the one that is relevant. I welcome any
> feedback / suggestions for the proposed method I outlined there.
> While you are there, look also at the issues described for Point 3
> (note 12052). Anyone can help in there as well. :)
>
> So far, "luckily" centosplus kernels are "ahead of" the distro kernel
> in that they have been built and are available for testing (see note
> 12502).
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Re: [CentOS] Blog article about the state of CentOS

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*snip

>
>
> Thank you for sharing, I found it interesting.
>
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+1

Longtime user but with the current sturcture they have turned it (centos8)
into really a non production release. I've always tried to use it on
internal servers but these are small businesses (non-profit) that will pay
for a windows server license vs a RHEL. Microsoft has actually expanded and
opened it up even more. I really thought it was a good thing for RHEL to
support Centos since they had made the builds more difficult but it doesn't
appear that they do not want to support it too much. As it currently stands
I could not or will not deploy Centos8 in a internet facing environment.

I continue to run 8 at home but do not see myself deploying it into
production anywhere. I deeply appreciate all the hard work that goes into
putting it out, Karanbir, Fabian, Johnny, Ralph and Tru and all the others
put in to produce and support it. :)

My hope is that RHEL changes the level of support they provide to centOS
but not confident it's going to happen here's hoping.

;)



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Re: [CentOS] Blog article about the state of CentOS

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On Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 5:41 AM Peter  wrote:

> On 20/06/20 3:29 am, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> > How is this going to be fixed .. Welcome to CentOS Stream
> >
> > Stream will be , once it is fully implemented, the ACTUAL development of
> > RHEL the 'next point release' on git.centos.org in the open.
>
> So basically stream is a testing ground for RHEL.  It's not actually a
> rebuild of RHEL since it's what comes *before* RHEL, not after.
>
> > It will be a rolling distro that is GOING to be the Source Code used for
> > next RHEL point release.
> >
> > Therefore, we will have all package as they are being worked on by the
> > RHEL Engineers .. and you can see it happen in progress.  You can also
> > use it however you want.  There will be no delay i this at all.  It will
> > be constantly moving. There will be no 500 pacakges drop or delays.
>
> This is all well and good, but I don't think that CentOS was ever meant
> to be a testing ground for RHEL.  As the name actually stands for it is
> a "Community Enterprise OS" and it has always been a rebuild of the RHEL
> sources.  Stream is basically RHEL Rolling Beta, and that can hardly be
> considered "Enterprise".
>
> I and I think many others find this focus on Stream to be rather
> distressing, and it does have the appearance to be taking focus away
> from the core OS.  This is further evidenced by the long wait times for
> release.
>
> The way I see it, Red Hat pays the bills now, Red Hat employs the core
> team, and Red Hat wants a RHEL Beta platform, so that is what they have
> decreed that CentOS will become.  Now I could be wrong here because I
> certainly don't have any inside information about this, but it seems
> from teh outside looking in that any progress on the core OS is
> incidental and time spent on it has to be time leftover after any work
> is done on Stream.
>
> Now I don't have an issue with Stream, in fact I think taht Stream can
> be beneficial to CentOS, but it hsould not be at the expense of the core
> OS, imo.  The core OS should take priority over any other CentOS
> project, whether it be streams, or SIGs or anything else, because we
> can't really have a Community Enterprise OS without the core OS.
>
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+1 Streams is not for a production workload, if I wanted that I can easily
deploy an Arch instance if I want or need a rolling distro (it's not Redhat
etc but still). If Redhat wanted CentOS to be released near the same time
line they could help make that happen, although that wouldn't be in there
best financial interest.

Now maybe there will be a way to set streams up to only get security
updates and then when they release the .1 release you could update and have
everything update. If something like that could be worked out that would
work for me but I would only want security updates in between and I'm not
sure if that is possible.



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[CentOS] Dumb Centos 8 DNF mirror question...

[Tom Bishop]

I have several Centos 8 machines that I update and every now and again I
will go through and update all of them and one of them will get a slow
mirror, like downloading the kernel at 50kb etc.  With the newer version I
am unable to figure out how to force it to update the mirror list and
hopefully change to a faster mirror. I have searched but must not be using
the right verbiage since I am unable to find the easy solution to dump the
mirrors and re-select.

Thanks :)
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Re: [CentOS] Dumb Centos 8 DNF mirror question...

[Tom Bishop]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:02 AM Tom Bishop  wrote:

> I have several Centos 8 machines that I update and every now and again I
> will go through and update all of them and one of them will get a slow
> mirror, like downloading the kernel at 50kb etc.  With the newer version I
> am unable to figure out how to force it to update the mirror list and
> hopefully change to a faster mirror. I have searched but must not be using
> the right verbiage since I am unable to find the easy solution to dump the
> mirrors and re-select.
>
> Thanks :)
>

I enabled fastestmirror in dnf.conf and that seems to have done the
trick...if there are better ways of handling let me know.
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Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

[Tom Bishop]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:07 AM Rich Bowen  wrote:

> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux
> 7, and we’ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> And it removes confusion around what “CentOS” means in the Linux
> distribution ecosystem.
>
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
> to contact Red Hat about options.
>
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> project focus might affect you.
>
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
> ]
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Wow, major shift in philosophy, thanks for all the hard work over the years
but if I wanted to be a beta tester there are many distributions that will
serve that purpose, real shame.

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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

[Tom Bishop]

LOL, laughing with you not at you, license free RHEL.  Just RHEL (IBM)
wanting to increase the coffers for RHEL.  I know, I know thats not whats
really happening but yeah that is what is really happening. If you want a
tested production worthy server install based on RHEL then you will have to
pay for RHEL.  I know this is exaggerating but if I wanted to test
pre-production stuff I could just run Fedora. ;)

Oh well end of an era...sniff.


servers?  Is there a license-free RHEL server option that is the
> recommended path from using CentOS?
>
> Chris
>
> On 12/8/2020 8:32 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> > This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS.
> >
> > Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision? Remember
> > that the -devel mailing list, and IRC channels *do not* represent the
> vast
> > majority of CentOS users. Most of us are just sysadmins trying to keep
> our
> > systems that have been using CentOS for many, many years running and our
> > procedures for installing, and patching systems working after whatever
> > changes have been mysteriously decided upon, and forced on us.
> >
> > We will be forced to look at other distributions now; and forced to do a
> > ton of unnecessary work to deal with this.
> >
> > Thanks a lot.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen  wrote:
> >
> >> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> >> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> >> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
> >> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> >> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
> >> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux
> >> 7, and we’ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> >> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> >>
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
> >>
> >> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> >> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> >> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> >> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> >> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> >> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> >> And it removes confusion around what “CentOS” means in the Linux
> >> distribution ecosystem.
> >>
> >> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> >> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> >> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> >> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> >> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
> >> to contact Red Hat about options.
> >>
> >> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> >> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> >> project focus might affect you.
> >>
> >> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
> >> ]
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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

[Tom Bishop]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 10:15 AM Rich Bowen  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/8/20 10:41 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:39 AM Jonathan Billings 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:28:30AM -0500, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> >>> You have published a CentOS Lifecycle that states the EOL for CentOS 8
> is
> >>> May 2029. (c.f.
> >> https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/centos).
> >>> CentOS Stream *is not* CentOS 8.
> >>>
> >>> This announcement is a breach of that trust with your community, and
> >> could
> >>> be construed as a breach of contract with your users.
> >>>
> >>> Save this change for CentOS 9.
> >>
> >> Don't worry, it's been fixed.  :/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Don't worry. I saved a copy.
>
> So did we. It's in Git.
>
> That page was never a contract. It's a web page published by an open
> source project. Please do not misconstrue it as a contract.
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> Yeah that makes it all better, lol. If this was the direction you should
> have done it before releasing Centos 8, of course Redhat can do what they
> want to do, becoming more and more like MS, oh well.
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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

[Tom Bishop]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 10:59 AM Rich Bowen  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> > I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with
> > the community.  Why would we trust these promises?
>
> "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that the
> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone expects to
> just magically happen.
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> I think you should just stop replying your only digging the hole deeper
> IMHO. This is a major change and potentially a lot of work for a lot of
> people. Just another great 2020 gift.
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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

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On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 11:11 AM Johnny Hughes  wrote:

> On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> >>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with
> >>> the community.  Why would we trust these promises?
> >>
> >> "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that the
> >> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone expects to
> >> just magically happen.
> >>
> >>
> > The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to "engage." We
> don't
> > have time for that.
> >
> > We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been
> > diverging from this for a while (note the change in version
> names/numbers)
> > and we DON'T WANT THAT!
>
> Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if you
> qualify for it.
>
> Here is how you can convert:
>
> https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841
>
> Or, you can see if Stream can meet your requirements of something you
> can just get for free.
>
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> Or you could do this https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/


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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

[Tom Bishop]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 11:29 AM Johnny Hughes  wrote:

> On 12/8/20 11:19 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote:
> > Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as
> quite arrogant?
>
> I am sorry you feel that way.  I was trying to help.  Red Hat has
> several programs where they give away RHEL for free.  CentOS Stream is
> free.  CentOS Linux 8 is going away in at the end of 2021.
>
> Those are facts.
>
> He said he wanted free Linux and did not want to interact with the
> community.  I provided all the alternatives that i know for that.
>
> Stream, a qualified version of RHEL that can be obtained from Red Hat
> for free (has nothing to do with CentOS) or some other distribution.
>
> I am not being arrogant or negative.  Just pointing out facts.
>
> I have been doing this for 17 years.  I would continue doing for 17
> more.  But it is what it is and wishing for it to be different is not
> going to happen.  I know .. I've tried.
>
> >
> >> Am 08.12.2020 um 18:11 schrieb Johnny Hughes :
> >>
> >> On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
>  On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> > I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with
> > the community.  Why would we trust these promises?
> 
>  "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that the
>  community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone expects to
>  just magically happen.
> 
> 
> >>> The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to "engage." We
> don't
> >>> have time for that.
> >>>
> >>> We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been
> >>> diverging from this for a while (note the change in version
> names/numbers)
> >>> and we DON'T WANT THAT!
> >>
> >> Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if you
> >> qualify for it.
> >>
> >> Here is how you can convert:
> >>
> >> https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841
> >>
> >> Or, you can see if Stream can meet your requirements of something you
> >> can just get for free.
> >>
> >> Or, you can do something else.  It is all up to you.
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> I've been around for most of those, thanks Johnny for all the work.
> Appreciate all the work that all the contributors have done over the years,
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Re: [CentOS] Moving to CentOS 8 Stream

[Tom Bishop]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 8:01 AM Pete Biggs  wrote:

>
> It's got to be done, so may as well test it ...
>
> The FAQ says to do:
>
>dnf install centos-release-stream
>dnf distro-sync
>
> This I did and everything went fine. I checked before doing the distro-
> sync and there was a load of new Stream repos in /etc/yum.repos.d
>
> Rebooted the machine and dnf has gone back to only looking in 8.3, and
> the stream repos had disappeared.
>
> Looking in the logs I can see this:
>
> 2020-12-09T12:28:42Z DEBUG ---> Package centos-stream-release.noarch
> 8.4-1.el8 will be installed
> 2020-12-09T12:28:42Z DEBUG ---> Package centos-linux-release.noarch
> 8.3-1.2011.el8 will be obsoleted
> 2020-12-09T12:28:42Z DEBUG ---> Package centos-release-stream.x86_64
> 8.1-1.1911.0.7.el8 will be obsoleted
>
> and
>
> Installing:
>  centos-stream-release  noarch 8.4-1.el8
>Stream-BaseOS 21 k
>  replacing  centos-linux-release.noarch 8.3-1.2011.el8
>  replacing  centos-release-stream.x86_64 8.1-1.1911.0.7.el8
>
> The centos-stream-release RPM does not contain any repo information,
> that was all in centos-release-stream that has been removed. So stream
> has deleted itself.
>
> It's not a good start.
>
> I also can't seem to get back to a sensible system and have now got a
> system with a mixture of CentOS 8 and CentOS 8 Stream RPMs with no way
> of installing the Stream repos from an RPM.
>
> I see that "subscription-manager" has been installed on this system now
> which it never was. Is CentOS also going to be part of that ecosystem
> as well?
>
> Fortunately this was a throw-away install. I hope no one has tried the
> instructions in the FAQ on an important machine!
>
> P.
>
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> I thought I saw a reply from Johnny that streams wasn't quite ready, maybe
> he will chime in but that's what I thought I saw in a response.
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Re: [CentOS] Moving to CentOS 8 Stream

[Tom Bishop]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:32 AM Pete Biggs  wrote:

> >
> > >
> > > I thought I saw a reply from Johnny that streams wasn't quite ready,
> maybe
> > > he will chime in but that's what I thought I saw in a response.
>
> What, in amongst the hundreds of messages, he said it wasn't ready!!
> Why publish a FAQ and a web page telling you how to migrate without a
> great big banner across it saying "don't rush, it's not ready yet". Or
> better, don't publish anything if the instructions don't work.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> P.
>
>
>
Here is the snippet that I saw but cannot find the original, underlined the
important bits that I saw...

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 22:58 Johnny Hughes  wrote:

> On 12/8/20 1:04 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >
> >> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> >> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> >> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of
> >> a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will
> >> end at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date,
> >> serving as the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise
> Linux.
> >
> > I suppose I understand the negative feedback -- CentOS 8.x will no
> > longer be a rebuild of RHEL 8.x but will instead be some version of RHEL
> > 8.(x + 1) -- but I'm much more interested in empirical results than in
> > suppositions. I've taken a couple test VMs and set them to CentOS 8
> > Stream and will keep an eye on them. They will either prove stable or
> > not, but (observation > guessing) in my book.
> >
> > If history is any guide, they will prove very stable. If not, then I'll
> > pour one out for CentOS and look elsewhere.
> >
>
> Which is the approach I recommend everyone take.
>




*> And, it will likely be sometime mid to late 1st quarter 2021 before>
CentOS Stream is in its 'Fully Functional' state with community pull>
requests and the RHEL package maintainer doing all the work in
CentOS> Stream, etc .  CentOS Linux 8 will still be available and updated
until*
*> the end of December 2021. *
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Re: [CentOS] [EXT] Re: https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

[Tom Bishop]

Well looks like the jokes have already started, some one from work sent
this to me this morning - https://centos.rip/

No association etc not sure who etc...
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Re: [CentOS] dnf script to cherry pick updates and maintain RHEL compatibility

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On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 12:27 PM Matthew Miller  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 06:02:37PM +, James Pearson wrote:
> > why don't they just make RHEL available to all for 'free', and you just
> > pay for support if you need it - i.e. a bit like it is now, RHEL if you
> > pay, CentOS if you don't - I'm sure that would make everyone happy :-)
>
> Because RHEL's value proposition is not merely support, and the value of
> subscription goes way beyond that.
>
> Butt, that said: yes, this really is the direction things are going
> with
> expanded access to low-cost/no-cost RHEL.
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> They would have saved a lot of bashing of teeth etc if they would have had
> all of that ready at the same time so folks could assess where things fall,
> right now all we have is RH folks saying something else is coming with no
> details, most have kind of lost faith with what's been announced already,
> poorly timed IMHO.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS Stream from bottom works, what is this?

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On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:09 AM Matthew Miller  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 05:02:17PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL
> (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
> > That's my understanding, iff you automatically install all CentOS stream
> > updates the moment they become available. But I still don't see why
> nearly
> > no one is going for the idea that there be some way (ideally automated)
> to
> > tag all the packages at the point of the RedHat release, and install only
> > those from Stream once the RHEL release is ready?
>
> Yeah, I have some sysadmin friends already working on exactly this for
> their
> deployment in a large-scale academic setting.
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SMH, really lets jump through hoops based on an arbitrary decision made by
somebody or somone, who really knows since no one has said how the decision
was reached. I'm pretty sure that most are just going to pack up and find
another home, if I have to spend time doing something i'd rather it be
permanent vs who knows what decision is going to be made next by RH.
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Tom Bishop]

+1
Looks like between Springdale, Rocky and CloudLinux there will be options.
Such a bad decision that RH made to do this...

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 1:05 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic  wrote:

> Someone is smarter then Red Hat/IBM, "Carpe Diem":
>
> Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux
>
> (
> https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux
> )
>
> CentOS is a fork of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and undoubtedly a
> popular choice to deploy on production servers because of its rock-solid
> stability and compatibility. But, now with CentOS Stream, Red Hat just
> killed CentOS as we know it. And as expected, people started to fork Red
> Hat to give a viable community-based alternative to RHEL.
>
>
>
> As we already maintain CloudLinux OS, we plan to release a free,
> open-sourced, community-driven, 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL® 8
> (and future releases) in the Q1 of 2021. We will create a separate,
> totally free OS that is fully binary compatible with RHEL® 8 (and future
> versions). We will sponsor the development & maintenance of such OS. We
> will work on establishing a community around the OS, with the governing
> board from members of the community.
>
>
> Why We Are Doing It
>
> We have all the infrastructure, software and experience to do that
> already. We have a large staff of developers and maintainers that have a
> decade of experience in building an RHEL fork, starting from RHEL5 to
> RHEL8.
> We expect that this project will put us on the map, and allow people
> to discover our rebootless update software and Extended Lifecycle
> Support offering.
>
>
>
> What Will We Do To Make Sure That It Doesn't Go Wrong
>
> We plan to make all the build and test software free, open-sourced, easy
> to set up, so if we ever go in the wrong direction - the community can
> just pick up where we left off.
>
>
> What It Means For You
>
> If you are running CloudLinux OS 8 - it will continue to have stable and
> well-tested updates until 2029, and ELS releases for years after that.
>
>
>
> If you are running CentOS 8 - we will release an OS very similar to
> CentOS 8 based on RHEL 8 stable. We will provide stable and well-tested
> updates until 2029 - completely free. You will be able to convert from
> CentOS 8 at any moment by running a single command that switches
> repositories & keys.
>
>
> Timeline
>
> Q1 2021
>
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

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On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:53 AM Scott Robbins  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 01:09:46PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Dec, 2020 at 07:48:25 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote:
>
>
> > > One assumes however, that this wouldn't happen with OEL, though one
> never
> > > knows.
> >
> > OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or hell to
> > trust them.
>
> Yes, that's who I meant. And like you, I find myself unwilling to trust
> them.  :)
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> They are not the only ones, Springdale linux - https://puias.math.ias.edu
is an existing RHEL clone and have been around for sometime and there is
another in that appears to be spinning up sponsored by CloudLinux -
https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux


There may be others that will eventually get stood up also but there are
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[Tom Bishop]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller  wrote:

>
>
>
> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
> stated motivation
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2
>
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I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but
they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose
not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck and quacks as a duck...who knows
maybe this goes down as one of the best decisions ever for RH but I think
its going to hurt them in more ways then they ever thought about.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

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On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 12:07 PM Matthew Miller  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
> > I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc,
> but
> > they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose
> > not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck and quacks as a duck...who knows
> > maybe this goes down as one of the best decisions ever for RH but I think
> > its going to hurt them in more ways then they ever thought about.
>
> As I've also said before, I have no special insight into how RH and the
> CentOS board came to this timeline, but I _am_ inclined to believe that the
> motivation is the one that they give: they want to focus attention and
> resources. Look at CloudLinux saying that they plan to invest a million
> dollars a year into doing their rebuild. It's easy to _say_ "Red Hat could
> easily have done both".
>
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Please, yeah poor, poor Redhat, they are struggling these days, *cough*
they needed to do this in order to survive. I thought it didn't have
anything to do with cashing in. Really it's there choice if the decide to
run it into the ground or not, to many bean counters get involved and it
all becomes about making money, nowhere close to the original ideals for
the company when it was started.

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Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

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On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 5:35 PM Johnny Hughes  wrote:

> On 12/15/20 5:11 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:04 PM Johnny Hughes  wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote:
> >>> Nicolas Kovacs
> 
>  Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream:
> 
> 
> >>
> https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877
> 
>  tl;dr: Communication about Stream was BAD, but Stream itself might be
> a
> >> good
>  thing. Here's why.
> >>>
> >>> As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the
> >> traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life
> cycle>
> >>> It doesn't matter how good/rock solid/whatever CentOS Stream turns out
> >> to be, but if it only has a 5 year life cycle for each major release,
> then
> >> it no good to me (and I suspect many others)
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> There is a 2 year overlap with the next version of stream as well .. in
> >> this case CentOS Stream 9.  How long is Debian or Ubuntu LTS maintained
> >> for free?
> >>
> >> 5 years may not be long enough for you .. but it certainly pretty long.
> >>  And I am TRYING to get that extended.  I may not be successful, we'll
> >> have to see.
> >>
> >>> The article also mentions "CentOS will no longer be old, crusty, and
> >> barely alive, trailing RHEL by months at times" - then why didn't Redhat
> >> put resources into CentOS to improve that?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Do you have any idea how much money Red Hat is paying to maintain
> >> CentOS.  And they are maintaining CentOS 7, even now, until 2024.  There
> >> are dozens of machines and several administrators to maintain them.
> >>
> >>> Redhat must have known, that if they killed off traditional CentOS,
> then
> >> users will simply go elsewhere for a RHEL rebuild ?
> >>
> >> If you chose not to use CentOS Stream, that is up to you.  What is the
> >> OS of your TV set.  What is the firmware of your computer.  Those things
> >> are now pretty much irrelevant and commoditized.
> >>
> >> At some point the underlying OS is going to be much less important and
> >> the important part will be the layered parts that contain your apps and
> >> not the OS Layer.
> >>
> >> If you want a RHEL clone, that's fine.  There will be one available.
> >> Someone will make one.
> >>
> >> The real and complete vision of what CentOS Stream will become will not
> >> be compolete until around the end of QTR1 2021.  If you chose not to try
> >> it, that is up to you.   I truly think Stream will be a much better and
> >> more quickly fixed OS when everything is in place.
> >>
> >
> > I don't expect you to answer Johnny, but why didn't Red Hat wait until
> > Stream was "complete'" or ready, or whatever.
>
> I have no idea.  I am not saying I completely agree with the timing or
> the way this went down.  But we are where we are now.  I still think
> CentOS Stream is as good as any other "Enterprise" distro out there.  I
> think iti si just as good as Debian and/or Ubuntu.
>
>

This is the problem they created, your right stream is "just as good as the
other Enterprise distro's out there." But that is part of the issue, since
your just as good and no longer have the long support cycles then I just as
well spend time porting it to Debian etc.  The way that they did it just
leaves a lot of bad faith in anything that RH has to say now, at least for
me I have lost all trust in anything they have to say. I mean you know it's
bad when people are talking about migrating to Oracle, that's pretty ironic
of all things.

I've been on the list since 2007 and again I appreciate all the hard work
over the years that you and the others have given to the project, it's just
a shame that RH decided to take the path that it taken.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS Stream suitability as a production webserver

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On Tue, Jan 5, 2021, 5:03 PM Jamie Burchell  wrote:

> >  Probably.  For a lot of users, Stream is a drop-in replacement that's
> better than CentOS was
>
> We will need to (manually) migrate to Stream 9.x after 5 years instead of
> 10 though?
>
>

Well that's the part that hasn't fully been laid out, stream to me just
becomes  like another disto lts release, at least with Debian flavors I
feel confident in the upgrade path but the 10 year cycle is what makes RHEL
nice.  Stream is not an option for me, I will move to Springdale or Rocky
if it matures. For what I need Springdale has been around long enough that
I know they will continue and it also looks like Fermilab may be doing
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS Stream suitability as a production webserver

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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:44 PM Jamie Burchell  wrote:

> I'll be the first to admit I don't like change and arguably I'm in the
> wrong industry for that, but that's another matter. However I don't want to
> throw away years of experience with CentOS/Fedora and time invested (mine
> personally and my company's) learning and perfecting setups of which I have
> now around 50. A fair few of my Ansible setup are EL only, both from Galaxy
> and custom. I'm used to the layout, the packages, and what you'd expect
> after ~10 years of working with it.
>
> At the moment my question possibly would have been better phrased "Why
> isn't Streama suitable platform for a production web server".
>
> I get that everyone including myself is frustrated by the situation and so
> I'm trying to filter out the doomsayers and those who want to annoy RH by
> saying they are jumping to another distro like Debian. To me, I'm thinking
> at least for my situation and has already been said, Stream might actually
> be a positive but I shall wait and see what happens. And as for the 5 years
> LTS, that will be the same for every distro anyway.
>
> Cheers
> Jamie
>
>

Or you could move today to Springdale linux or Oracle or one of the new
RHEL clones that will still be based on  RHEL and have the same 10 year
release cycle. Springdale and Oracle are options today and there are a
couple more that are supposedly going to come online 1st or 2nd quarter,
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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

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On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 9:11 AM Johnny Hughes  wrote:

> On 4/5/21 1:42 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >
> > On 4/5/21 12:55 PM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote:
> >> Also maintained by business unit, which might impact later changes
> >> when you
> >> tight your prod to it.
> >
> > A major part of the announcement videocast was about the formation of
> > the 501c6 non-profit foundation that will back the distro. While it does
> > indeed appear that everyone *currently* working on it works for
> > CloudLinux it was also clear that their longer-term intention is to have
> > the Alma Foundation be completely independent.
> >
> > Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be promoting the "other team," but I don't see
> > them that way, and I would not want this list to be a source of any
> > misinformation about them.
> >
>
> Rich .. I agree .. I don't see Igor and company as the other team either.
>
> I wished the almalinux team well on their launch day on reddit.  This is
> because I know many of the people involved in CloudLinux and I have met
> them plenty of times at cPanel conferences and other places.  I trust
> Igor and his team.
>
> I personally feel that CentOS Stream is a great distro and once you guys
> actually see it in practice with all the engineering effort and
> community involvement working as envisioned, you will like it and it
> will meet your needs.
>
> In my post I said as much about CentOS Stream .. but also IF you still
> want to do a downstream and not slightly upstream build of EL source
> code, I definitely would look at AlmaLinux.
>
> Here is a link to my post:
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/AlmaLinux/comments/mgic42/congrats_on_almalinux_release/
>
> My ultimate goal is to make CentOS Stream the most used community
> distribution in the world .. but, in doing that there is no need to be
> negative toward AlmaLinux.
>
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> Johnny Hughes
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Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

[Tom Bishop]

g the Red Hat "Enterprise
> > Linux"
> > ecosystem, handle this new situation?
>
> Respectfully, I don't think it's new.  We've had RHEL, SLES, OEL,
> CentOS Linux and Ubuntu for more than a decade.  Rocky, Alma, whatever
> SUSE's new RHEL fork is, etc are certainly newer but the situation
> itself is not new.  I see it as an expansion of options, but the same
> set of considerations still applies.  Which distribution and community
> aligns best with your needs, goals, and beliefs?  Which one would you
> tell your friend to use?
>
> For me, it's still Fedora, CentOS Stream, and RHEL.
>
> josh
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I think I finally need to remove myself from the centos mail list but
coming from @redhat worker trying to explain what their company has
done, is pretty disingenuous to say the least. It's pretty clear what
they are trying to do and it's all driven by greed, have seen it over
and over in the opensource world, and lets be clear thats what it
always comes down to is greed. Bottom line its a d*ck move by Redhat,
but technically still meets the letter of the GPL so it is what it is.
IMHO they basically became another Oracle and we know how most feel
about them, but hey someone has this great idea to make more money
they have the right based on the GPL to do it..I moved a few servers
to Rocky when they killed Centos but this is it for me, I will migrate
my remaining servers over to anything but Redhat, they are dead to me.
I had been using Centos for many years, when Karanbir Singh was
running things and they would go to meet ups and you could get
t-shirts etc..Was a great run but Redhat has ruined all that and now I
just could care less what Redhat does from here on out. I'm nobody,
but where I do work we have options for which linux distro that we
want to run, I can assure you I will not be spinning up an Redhat
instances...fool me once, fool me twice...

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Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

[Tom Bishop]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 10:48 AM Gordon Messmer
 wrote:
>
> On 2023-07-13 03:12, Simon Matter wrote:
> > As I found out yesterday, the fragmentation of the "Enterprise Linux"
> > ecosystem just started to come true.
>
>
> I've been trying to figure out what SUSE meant when they announced a
> "hard fork" of RHEL.  If they mean to maintain a fork that remains
> interface-compatible with RHEL (and a fork that doesn't remain
> compatible doesn't make much sense, because the thing that everyone
> wants is the benefit of RHEL's integration with other vendors), then
> they'll probably periodically branch from Stream, the same way that RHEL
> does.
>
> If that happens, and if it's successful, the irony is that through poor
> communication, Red Hat might have actually made progress in creating a
> *less* fragmented ecosystem of distributions all conforming to a common
> ABI, descending from Stream.
>
>
> > I expect this is only the beginning
> > and Red Hat may also start to completely hold back sources of non GPL
> > software which is part of the "Enterprise Linux" ecosystem.
>
>
> I think that's exactly the opposite of the direction that Red Hat is
> moving.  CentOS Stream makes the RHEL product more open than it has ever
> been -- including making it easier to create real Enterprise-ready
> products that compete on level ground with RHEL, in ways that clones
> never could.
>

 I get it, I have seen you post this over and over in the mail list in
regards to how great Centos Stream is. Well its not what the original
Centos was, its something very different, it may work for you and
others but it's not the same. If it were we would not be having this
discussion and there would be no need for Rocky, alma etc..If it was
what the community wanted then we would not have seen the mass exodus
to other distro's that came to try to fill the gap, no it's not the
same at all, it's different and thats fine but folks are free to chose
to use it or something else. Seems most have chosen to use something
else and RH continues to burn them down also...again it's there
choice, so now that I see what they really want to do I also have a
choice to not to continue or recommend their product, again as
referenced by one of the many RH articles, we are all just freeloaders
so we shouldn't be missed.
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Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

[Tom Bishop]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 12:17 PM Gordon Messmer 
wrote:

> On 2023-07-13 09:00, Tom Bishop wrote:
> > as
> > referenced by one of the many RH articles, we are all just freeloaders
> > so we shouldn't be missed.
>
>
> I don't believe there are any Red Hat articles that call user freeloaders.
>
> I'm aware of one personal blog, not on the redhat.com site, in which the
> term "freeloader" is discussed as a term sometimes used informally by
> staff to describe large businesses that run production networks on a
> self-supported distribution, but issues that affect that production
> network are reported through a small number of support subscriptions.
> That's a very narrow use, and it's specifically organizations who abuse
> the support that Red Hat sells, by proxying production issues through
> RHEL systems.
>
> And it's the behavior of individuals, not the position of the company.
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Eh I beg to differ it's pretty clear that Magnus is calling folks
freeloaders...
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/problem-rocky-linux-free-beer-magnus-glantz/

But I know he is just a principal solution architect so I know it's just
his opinion, but no it's crystal clear where RH stands in regards to this ..

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Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

[Tom Bishop]

+1 Frank

 Personally I am moving all my workloads to anything but. It's clear the
direction that Red hat is taking and so be it. I've seen it multiple times
with open source projects that just seems like greed kicks in and it's all
about making the most $$ that they can. Oh and let's be clear, for anyone
saying that Red hat wasn't making money is crazy talk, they have always
made enough and that was clear when IBM bought them for 34B. Really for the
most part they have become another Oracle.

The main advantage for me with RHEL was the long support cycle, plenty of
distros do 5 year but the 10year helped for a lot of things maybe someone
will come along and do just that.

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:55 AM frank saporito 
wrote:

>
> On 7/22/23 02:29, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > On 2023-07-21 00:30, Lee Thomas Stephen wrote:
> >> But for my business, I do not want to pay Red Hat, Zimbra, or Google
> >> Workspace.
> >> Why ?
> >> Because the general rule seems to be
> >> Oh! You are an individual, we will offer you affordable/free service
> >> What! You are a business, we will offer you extremely 'unaffordable'
> >> service.
> >> Because being a 'business' by default means you have a 'lot' of money
> >> to waste.
> >
> >
> > I'm not a Red Hat employee, so I'm not positive how they would respond
> > to that.  But, speaking as a customer who has worked with numerous
> > enterprise support agreements over several decades, I want to suggest
> > that the issue isn't that Red Hat assumes that businesses have a lot
> > of money to spend, it's that they're targeting a set of the market
> > that you might not be in right now.
> >
> > From my point of view, Red Hat doesn't really sell software. They give
> > away software.  All of their software is available at no charge,
> > typically in an unbranded release.  What Red Hat sells is support.
>
> Does Red Hat give away software anymore?
>
>
> > I don't mean helpdesk style "support-me-when-something-breaks"
> > support.  Support isn't something that exists only during incidents,
> > support is a relationship. It's periodic meetings with your account
> > manager and engineers. It's discussing your roadmap and your pain
> > points regularly, and getting direction from them. It's the
> > opportunity to tell Red Hat what your needs and priorities are, and
> > helping them make decisions about where to allocate their engineers
> > time to address the real needs of their customers. It's setting the
> > direction for the company that builds the system that sits underneath
> > your technical operations. That kind of support is what makes RHEL a
> > valuable offering.
> >
> > If you don't need the kind of support that comes with enterprise
> > offerings, then by all means, use the Free Software that Red Hat
> > provides to the community.
>
> I am confused.  Last month Red Hat announced that the source code would
> not be published.
>
> > But don't make the mistake of thinking that Red Hat is trying to mlik
> > businesses simply because they're businesses.  Red Hat's offerings are
> > expensive because they're enterprise-focused support plans.
> >
> Businesses can purchase in a tax-advantageous manner that you can not as
> an individual.  Companies do not pay tax on their expenses.
> That might partially explain the higher rates for commercial products
> and services.
>
>
> -
>
> I am not an expert network manager.  I am a physician that used CentOS 8
> on my three practice servers until the big "rug pull." At the time, I
> had a choice between switching to the Stream or Oracle Linux 8.  I went
> with Oracle Linux 8 and had no complaints.  Some have suggested that the
> evil Oracle will execute the same IBM rug pull.  I considered that.
> That concern is a non-issue now.
>
> The spirit of GPL was meant to force sharing and prevent the
> commercialization of the volunteer work of many.  At the time, I was
> confused about why IBM purchased Red Hat for an astronomical amount.
> Well, it is clear now.  As the readers know, there is a significant
> defect in the GPL: A Comprehensive Analysis of the GPL Issues With the
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) Business Model
>  The
> terms of the license are enforceable, not the spirit
>
> I think the Rocky Linux workaround will eventually fail.  I expect IBM
> already has a plan for all contingencies.
>
> There is reason for anger.  Is there a reason for hope?
>
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Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

[Tom Bishop]

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:13 AM Gordon Messmer
 wrote:
>
> On 2023-07-22 09:55, frank saporito wrote:
> > On 7/22/23 02:29, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> >> From my point of view, Red Hat doesn't really sell software. They
> >> give away software.  All of their software is available at no charge,
> >> typically in an unbranded release.  What Red Hat sells is support.
> >
> > Does Red Hat give away software anymore?
>
>
> Yes?  I'm not aware of any Red Hat software that isn't Free Software.
>
>
> > I am confused.  Last month Red Hat announced that the source code
> > would not be published.
>
>
> That's not what they announced.  The major-release branch of RHEL's
> source code is still published to the CentOS Stream git repos.
>
> I think it's important to point out that Red Hat never published *all*
> of RHEL's package source code.  For the first six months of any release
> of RHEL, they would publish de-branded source by essentially taking one
> artifact from each build (the src.rpm), unpacking that in a git
> repository, removing the primary source code archive, debranding what
> was left, committing all of that, and then pushing the result.  It was
> basically git as a fancy FTP.
>
> They've stopped doing that, in favor of publishing the major-release
> branch of the git repos for the entire primary support lifecycle of the
> major release.
>
>
> > The spirit of GPL was meant to force sharing and prevent the
> > commercialization of the volunteer work of many.
>
>
> It definitely wasn't.  GPL software can't be made closed-source.
> Customers have to receive the source code (or an offer for it), and they
> have the rights that the license guarantees.  But GPL software can
> definitely be commercialized.
>
 Eh your keep dancing around and trying to spin what they did with the
source and their intent. RHEL is for all intents and purposes trying
to restrict the source code with EULA's/Licensing restrictions, you
still have access to the source for paying customers but if you use it
for a purpose that they disagree with *cough* rebuild, then they can
terminate your account. I can list article after article clearly
stating that is what they are doing -

https://www.itpro.com/software/open-source/what-red-hats-source-code-restrictions-mean-for-businesses
https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/23/red_hat_centos_move/
on and on...

again its a d1ck move IMHO, clearly you do not see the it that way but
let there be no mistake what Red Hats intentions are at allthey no
longer want anyone to be rebuilding their software and distributing
it, ya know they need the money, lol
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[CentOS] Cnetos 5.4 ext3 question...

[Tom Bishop]

I could find this out but at the moment I dont have a copy of 5.4 running,
can anyone tell me for a default centos5.4 install are ext3 barriers on by
default?  Thanks in advance...
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Re: [CentOS] Cnetos 5.4 ext3 question...

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks much, been reading about ext4 and performance issues, I've never had
any issues with ext3 and my centos boxes...anyone else have any corruption
issues when running ext3 as far as when power is cut etc...?

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Ray Van Dolson  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:25:01AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
> > I could find this out but at the moment I dont have a copy of 5.4
> running,
> > can anyone tell me for a default centos5.4 install are ext3 barriers on
> by
> > default?  Thanks in advance...
>
> Pretty sure they are off by default (and were on the box I just checked
> against).
>
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Re: [CentOS] Cnetos 5.4 ext3 question...

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks guys for the responses, can anyone explain what the hoopla is then
about ext4 and performance issues and barriers being enabled, there was also
some talk about that being an potential issue with ext3?  I've tried to
google and look but have not found a good explanation on what the issue
is

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM,  wrote:

> I'm using ext3 on my CentOS box, so far so good, I don't get any problem.
> Sometimes my server shutdown when power is cut, but CentOS still running
> well and nothing corruption files or anything after start again.
>
> Ds.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Bishop 
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:57:10
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Cnetos 5.4 ext3 question...
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Re: [CentOS] Cnetos 5.4 ext3 question...

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks for the explanation, looks like I need to go read some more about
barriers to truly understand what is going on.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Ross Walker  wrote:

> On Dec 28, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Tom Bishop  wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM, < da...@pnyet.web.id
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm using ext3 on my CentOS box, so far so good, I don't get any problem.
>> Sometimes my server shutdown when power is cut, but CentOS still running
>> well and nothing corruption files or anything after start again.
>
> Thanks guys for the responses, can anyone explain what the hoopla is then
> about ext4 and performance issues and barriers being enabled, there was also
> some talk about that being an potential issue with ext3?  I've tried to
> google and look but have not found a good explanation on what the issue
> is
>
>
> Barriers expose the poor performance of cheap hard drives. They provide
> assurance that all the data leading up to the barrier and the barrier IO
> itself are committed to media. This means that the barrier does a disk flush
> first and if the drive supports FUA (forced unit access, ie bypass cache),
> then issues the IO request FUA, if the drive doesn't support FUA then it
> issues another cache flush. It's the double flush that causes the most
> impact to performance.
>
> The typical fsync() call only assures data is flushed from memory, but
> makes no assurance the drive itself has flushed it to disk which is where
> the concern lies.
>
> Currently in RHEL/CentOS the LVM (device mapper) layer doesn't know how to
> propogate barriers to the underlying devices so it filters them out, so
> barriers are only currently supported on whole drives or raw partitions.
> This is fixed in the current kernels, but has yet to be backported to RHEL
> kernels.
>
> There are a couple of ways to avoid the barrier penalty. One is to have
> nvram backed write-cache either on the contoller or as a separate
> pass-through device. The other is to use a separate log device on a SSD
> which has nvram cache, newer ones have capacitor backed cache or a
> standalone nvram drive.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Hardening

[Tom Bishop]

Annother vote for bastille, it works very well.

On 12/28/09, m.r...@5-cent.us  wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I would like advice for best practices to secure my linux boxes. Know if I
>> have been hacked, know of security breaches, etc.
>>
>> Can anyone provide advice?
>
> Check out Bastille Linux. It's not a distro, it's a system hardening tool,
> and many things it does are referred to by the NIST guidelines.
>
> I, personally, used a firewall/router that I build using it on RH 9, and
> for around 10 years, never had an intrusion.
>
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[CentOS] Tyan s4985 motherboard and lm_sensors

[Tom Bishop]

Trying to get cpu temps from lm_sensors for a Tyan s4985 motherboard, just
installed centos 5.4.  Tyan release some lm_sensors conf files and other
information which I have done, but I am not getting any cpu temps.  I was
wondering if anyone out there was running this board and if you have gotten
temps working for your cpu, here is my output...Thanks in advance.

w83627hf-isa-0c00
Adapter: ISA adapter
VCore 1:   +1.52 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
VCore 2:   +1.55 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
+3.3V: +3.49 V  (min =  +2.82 V, max =  +3.79 V)
+5V:   +5.24 V  (min =  +6.40 V, max =  +5.54 V)   ALARM
+12V:  +5.78 V  (min = +12.28 V, max = +12.28 V)   ALARM
-12V:  -6.93 V  (min =  +6.06 V, max =  +5.65 V)   ALARM
-5V:   -3.84 V  (min =  +2.49 V, max =  +0.28 V)   ALARM
V5SB:  +5.73 V  (min =  +6.69 V, max =  +5.86 V)   ALARM
VBat:  +3.09 V  (min =  +1.66 V, max =  +0.82 V)   ALARM
fan1:0 RPM  (min = 10227 RPM, div = 2)  ALARM
fan2:0 RPM  (min = 6250 RPM, div = 2)  ALARM
fan3:0 RPM  (min = 2789 RPM, div = 2)  ALARM
temp1:   +41°C  (high =   -54°C, hyst =   -54°C)   sensor = thermistor
ALARM
temp2: +43.0°C  (high =   +80°C, hyst =   +75°C)   sensor = thermistor

temp3: +45.5°C  (high =   +80°C, hyst =   +75°C)   sensor = thermistor

vid:  +0.000 V  (VRM Version 0.0)
alarms:
beep_enable:
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[CentOS] Centos 5.4 and TYAN s4985 motherboard....

[Tom Bishop]

Was wondering if anyone has any luck with the Tyan s4985 motherboard, I had
loaded up the latest 5.4 release and in installed most everything that I
wanted but when I loaded it up, as in processor wise it would lock up.
Funny thing I could still ssh to it but not do a su - or anything from the
console.  I think it is kernel related and tried the previous kernel but it
still exhibited the same symptom.  The only thing I saw in the log was a
message about a soft lockup on cpu0, there is a open bug for that but from
the description doesn't appear to cause any issues.  I am running 4 opteron
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.4 and TYAN s4985 motherboard....

[Tom Bishop]

I updated to 2.07 is that the latest?

On 1/4/10, Dave Stevens  wrote:
> On Monday 04 January 2010 07:09:32 am Tom Bishop wrote:
>> Was wondering if anyone has any luck with the Tyan s4985 motherboard, I
>> had
>> loaded up the latest 5.4 release and in installed most everything that I
>> wanted but when I loaded it up, as in processor wise it would lock up.
>> Funny thing I could still ssh to it but not do a su - or anything from the
>> console.  I think it is kernel related and tried the previous kernel but
>> it
>> still exhibited the same symptom.  The only thing I saw in the log was a
>> message about a soft lockup on cpu0, there is a open bug for that but from
>> the description doesn't appear to cause any issues.  I am running 4
>> opteron
>> 8356 just for clarification
>
> is your BIOS up to date?
>
> Dave
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.4 and TYAN s4985 motherboard....

[Tom Bishop]

Yeah I know fedora core 12 works well along with ubuntu 8.04, thats what I
am running now with later kernel, I just like to run centos on my production
servers...neither of the latter exhibit the same condition that I saw with
centos5.4.   I have updated the bios to the latest 2.07 but had already
loaded ubuntu 8.04 and running that right now :( since I needed to get
something working, may wait till rhel6 comes along and switch when that sees
the light of day, although I'm not sure when that might be...lol

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Thomas Harold wrote:

> On 1/4/2010 10:09 AM, Tom Bishop wrote:
> > Was wondering if anyone has any luck with the Tyan s4985 motherboard, I
> > had loaded up the latest 5.4 release and in installed most everything
> > that I wanted but when I loaded it up, as in processor wise it would
> > lock up.  Funny thing I could still ssh to it but not do a su - or
> > anything from the console.  I think it is kernel related and tried the
> > previous kernel but it still exhibited the same symptom.  The only thing
> > I saw in the log was a message about a soft lockup on cpu0, there is a
> > open bug for that but from the description doesn't appear to cause any
> > issues.  I am running 4 opteron 8356 just for clarification
> >
>
> Looks like 207 is the latest:
> http://www.tyan.com/support_download_bios.aspx?model=S.S4985
>
> According to the OS support matrix:
> http://www.tyan.com/tech/OS_Support_AMDRedHat5.aspx
>
> Not all embedded components have drivers (2c = SATA RAID), which should
> only indicate that the fake-RAID doesn't work in RHEL 5 64bit.
>
> Try booting other live CDs?  Including some from other 64bit distros
> that might have a more recent kernel?
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[CentOS] Vmware server 2.0.2 and Centos 5.4

[Tom Bishop]

I know of the issue using vmware server 2.0.2 and centos 5.4, but is their
any reason not to use the .rpm install of  for centos?  I have always used
the .tar file but this time used the rpm and it appeared to install and not
crash.  I went ahead and did the glib correction but I was wondering if
using the rpm was not the rght thing to do, Thanks.
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Re: [CentOS] Vmware server 2.0.2 and Centos 5.4

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks, rpms have made me lazy ;)

On 1/11/10, Akemi Yagi  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Tom Bishop  wrote:
>> I know of the issue using vmware server 2.0.2 and centos 5.4, but is their
>> any reason not to use the .rpm install of  for centos?  I have always used
>> the .tar file but this time used the rpm and it appeared to install and
>> not
>> crash.  I went ahead and did the glib correction but I was wondering if
>> using the rpm was not the rght thing to do, Thanks.
>
> I personally do not see anything wrong with using the rpm to install
> VMware Server.
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[CentOS] KVM management tools.....

[Tom Bishop]

Looking at what my best options for managing KVM via a gui.  Running Centos
5.4 and have several machines and want to migrate off of vmware server 2.x.
So far it appears that the management tools haven't quite cought up to
Vmware but are gaining and closing.  I have been looking at convirt, and
others.  I like what I see in Ovirt but I'm not sure it is available for
centos 5.4, or is it?  Is there anyone running ovirt in centos?  Also, what
are folks using for their management tools for KVM, Thanks.
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Re: [CentOS] KVM management tools.....

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks and will do...

On 1/12/10, Karanbir Singh  wrote:
> On 12/01/10 15:13, Tom Bishop wrote:
>> Looking at what my best options for managing KVM via a gui.
>
> consider posting to the centos-virt list ?
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Re: [CentOS] Backup server

[Tom Bishop]

+1 for Backuppc.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Les Mikesell  wrote:

> Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've built a new backup server for our linux-clients.
> >
> > Is Amanda the way to go for a backup-solution?
> >
> > It seems to be pretty powerful, if a bit finickety to set up initially.
> >
> > The way we currently do backups is to use rsync from the clients to two
> > folders on an older server that rolls over every other week. This worked
> fine
> > for a while, but the rsync is cumulative and the users generate a
> tremendous
> > amount of data every day after having had a client upgrade with newer and
> > hilariously fast computers for calculation. The previous *nix-admin set
> it up
> > this way with rsync, meaning that we in the long run have data that is
> way
> > obsolete and get  increasingly difficult to maintain.
> >
> > As the backup solution must be next to free, ie "free beer", Amanda looks
> > suitable.
> >
> > What do you use for backing up data?
>
> Backuppc is good for this - it can use rsync for the transfers (or tar or
> smb)
> but all duplicate data is compressed and pooled even if found on different
> machines and it has an easy setup to control how long old copies are
> retained.
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[CentOS] Mediatomb compile from svn - centos 5.4

[Tom Bishop]

Anyone compiled Mediatomb from svn on centos 5.4 and had success?  Trying to
do this and want to make sure I have all of the dependencies met, thanks.
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[CentOS] UID GID Problems.....

[Tom Bishop]

Hoping someone can help me fix something that I apparently messed up, i have
the issue that when I untar a file as root the uid and gid that get set are
not roots'.  I had change a user uid and gid to 1000 via usermo -u etc
but somehow it appears to have effected the root user.  When I touch files
as root the correct uid and gid are root, however when untaring an archive
the directory and files are uid and gid =1000.  Hope someone can point me in
the right directionoh yea, running centos 5.4, and when I run the
command id = uid=0, gid=0, etcall appear to be right for rootThanks
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Re: [CentOS] UID GID Problems.....

[Tom Bishop]

So I downloaded the tar file, wget running as root (su -).  Looking at
the file permissions owner and group are root but when I untar the file the
new directory and all of the files have the UID and GID set to 1000, which
was another user and not the one that I logged in with.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Brian Mathis wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Tom Bishop  wrote:
> > Hoping someone can help me fix something that I apparently messed up, i
> have
> > the issue that when I untar a file as root the uid and gid that get set
> are
> > not roots'.  I had change a user uid and gid to 1000 via usermo -u
> etc
> > but somehow it appears to have effected the root user.  When I touch
> files
> > as root the correct uid and gid are root, however when untaring an
> archive
> > the directory and files are uid and gid =1000.  Hope someone can point me
> in
> > the right directionoh yea, running centos 5.4, and when I run the
> > command id = uid=0, gid=0, etcall appear to be right for
> rootThanks
> > in advance.
>
> When you untar as root, the UID/GID is always set to that of the user
> who created the tar file.  Only if you untar as a normal user does it
> change the ownership to the user who untarred it.
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Re: [CentOS] UID GID Problems.....

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks guys, the light bulb finally went off, need more sleep ;).so here
is what I think happened, so I run buntu at home on some PC's and had set
the uid to one of my users (my wife) to 1000 for nfs stuff, which is the
defaul range for ubuntu uid's.  So when I downloaded the file and untar the
users must have had a uid of a 1000 which on my system equated to my wifes
uid...LOL, was too late and it never crossed my mind so when I saw the owner
and group as my wife that it was just a shared uid...8>) Thanks for the tips


On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:09 AM,  wrote:

> Tom Bishop   schrieb am 19.01.2010 15:53:52:
>
> > So I downloaded the tar file, wget running as root (su -).
> > Looking at the file permissions owner and group are root but when I
> > untar the file the new directory and all of the files have the UID
> > and GID set to 1000, which was another user and not the one that I
> > logged in with.
>
> What do you mean by 'looking at the file permissions'? Do you mean
> the file permissions of the tarball or the files inside the tarball?
>
> Sometimes it can be helpful to provide the actual commands and it's
> output :-/
>
> What Brian tries to tell you is that if untarring as root the file
> ownership and modes are preserved as displayed by e.g.:
>
> tar tf archive.tar
>
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[CentOS] Trying to rebuild srpm from fedora....

[Tom Bishop]

So I am trying to rebuild this source rpm from fedora
10, shutter-0.85.1-1.fc10.src.rpm -its a screen capture application (
http://shutter-project.org/ )  that I have been unable to find in any repos,
although it is in the fedora repos. Thought I would give it a go and try to
rebuild the rpm, so here is the error that I am getting:


+ desktop-file-install --delete-original --dir
/var/tmp/shutter-0.85.1-1-root-itsupport//usr/share/applications
/var/tmp/shutter-0.85.1-1-root-itsupport//usr/share/applications/shutter.desktop
Must specify the vendor namespace for these files with --vendor
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.38313 (%install)



Anyone have any tips or 2x4 :) to point me in the right direction I would
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Re: [CentOS] Trying to rebuild srpm from fedora....

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks for the suggestions I will give mock a go and see what
happenswill need to go read up and understand what mock is doing
though

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Tom Diehl  wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010, Tom Bishop wrote:
>
> > So I am trying to rebuild this source rpm from fedora
> > 10, shutter-0.85.1-1.fc10.src.rpm -its a screen capture application (
> > http://shutter-project.org/ )  that I have been unable to find in any
> repos,
> > although it is in the fedora repos. Thought I would give it a go and try
> to
> > rebuild the rpm, so here is the error that I am getting:
> >
> >
> > + desktop-file-install --delete-original --dir
> > /var/tmp/shutter-0.85.1-1-root-itsupport//usr/share/applications
> >
> /var/tmp/shutter-0.85.1-1-root-itsupport//usr/share/applications/shutter.desktop
> > Must specify the vendor namespace for these files with --vendor
> > error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.38313 (%install)
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone have any tips or 2x4 :) to point me in the right direction I would
> > appreciate it, thanks.  Oh yeah, running centos 5.4 i386 arch, thanks
> again.
>
> As someone else said, at the very least you need to edit the spec to define
> a vendor. IMO the better way is to setup mock and use it to (re)build all
> of your rpms. That way you can for the most part, use the fedora specs out
> of
> the box.
>
> I have numerous rpms that are not found in CentOS that are in fedora. Most
> of
> them rebuild without modification in mock on CentOS.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [CentOS] Trying to rebuild srpm from fedora....

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks for the tips so I have gotten mock installed but for the life of me I
can't figure out how to install the srpm, edit the spec file and then
re-build.  I have seen an example that installs and then I can edit via mock
shell, but when I do a rpmbuild -ba or -bb it says its misssing the .tar
filesany help or pointing in the right direction would be appreciated.
 I know what I need to do to the spec file just not sure how to achieve
it...thanks.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Ryan Wagoner  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Tom Bishop  wrote:
> > Thanks for the suggestions I will give mock a go and see what
> > happenswill need to go read up and understand what mock is doing
> > though
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Tom Diehl  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010, Tom Bishop wrote:
> >>
> >> > So I am trying to rebuild this source rpm from fedora
> >> > 10, shutter-0.85.1-1.fc10.src.rpm -its a screen capture application (
> >> > http://shutter-project.org/ )  that I have been unable to find in any
> >> > repos,
> >> > although it is in the fedora repos. Thought I would give it a go and
> try
> >> > to
> >> > rebuild the rpm, so here is the error that I am getting:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > + desktop-file-install --delete-original --dir
> >> > /var/tmp/shutter-0.85.1-1-root-itsupport//usr/share/applications
> >> >
> >> >
> /var/tmp/shutter-0.85.1-1-root-itsupport//usr/share/applications/shutter.desktop
> >> > Must specify the vendor namespace for these files with --vendor
> >> > error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.38313 (%install)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Anyone have any tips or 2x4 :) to point me in the right direction I
> >> > would
> >> > appreciate it, thanks.  Oh yeah, running centos 5.4 i386 arch, thanks
> >> > again.
> >>
> >> As someone else said, at the very least you need to edit the spec to
> >> define
> >> a vendor. IMO the better way is to setup mock and use it to (re)build
> all
> >> of your rpms. That way you can for the most part, use the fedora specs
> out
> >> of
> >> the box.
> >>
> >> I have numerous rpms that are not found in CentOS that are in fedora.
> Most
> >> of
> >> them rebuild without modification in mock on CentOS.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
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> packages, and builds the SRPM. It is a way to ensure that you get a
> clean consistent build and to verify that your SRPM build dependencies
> are correct. You configure /etc/mock/your-arch and run mock name.srpm.
> Fairly simple to use.
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Re: [CentOS] Trying to rebuild srpm from fedora....

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks, that is very usefull and I have followed although I am still coming
up with an error when I do a rpmbuild -ba xxx.spec

error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
   /usr/share/applications/centos5-shutter.desktop


RPM build errors:
File not found:
/var/tmp/shutter-0.85.1-1-root-itsupport/usr/share/applications/shutter.desktop
Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
   /usr/share/applications/centos5-shutter.desktop


On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Akemi Yagi  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Tom Bishop  wrote:
> > Thanks for the tips so I have gotten mock installed but for the life of
> me I
> > can't figure out how to install the srpm, edit the spec file and then
> > re-build.  I have seen an example that installs and then I can edit via
> mock
> > shell, but when I do a rpmbuild -ba or -bb it says its misssing the .tar
> > filesany help or pointing in the right direction would be
> appreciated.
> >  I know what I need to do to the spec file just not sure how to achieve
> > it...thanks.
>
> This CentOS wiki will help you:
>
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/RebuildSRPM
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Re: [CentOS] Trying to rebuild srpm from fedora....

[Tom Bishop]

Here is the section of the spec file:

%{_bindir}/%{name}
%{_datadir}/applications/%{name}.desktop
%{_datadir}/%{name}
%{_mandir}/man1/%{name}*
%{_datadir}/pixmaps/
%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/*/apps/%{name}.*


it appears to be coverd...

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Clint Dilks wrote:

> Tom Bishop wrote:
> > Thanks, that is very usefull and I have followed although I am still
> > coming up with an error when I do a rpmbuild -ba xxx.spec
> >
> > error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
> >/usr/share/applications/centos5-shutter.desktop
> >
> >
> > RPM build errors:
> > File not found:
> >
> /var/tmp/shutter-0.85.1-1-root-itsupport/usr/share/applications/shutter.desktop
> > Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
> >/usr/share/applications/centos5-shutter.desktop
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Akemi Yagi  > <mailto:amy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Tom Bishop  > <mailto:bisho...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Thanks for the tips so I have gotten mock installed but for the
> > life of me I
> > > can't figure out how to install the srpm, edit the spec file and
> > then
> > > re-build.  I have seen an example that installs and then I can
> > edit via mock
> > > shell, but when I do a rpmbuild -ba or -bb it says its misssing
> > the .tar
> > > filesany help or pointing in the right direction would be
> > appreciated.
> > >  I know what I need to do to the spec file just not sure how to
> > achieve
> > > it...thanks.
> >
> > This CentOS wiki will help you:
> >
> > http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/RebuildSRPM
> >
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> This means that the build process has found a file that is not covered
> by the files section of you spec file.  If you are sure this is a
> legitimate file then simply add
> /usr/share/applications/centos5-shutter.desktop under the files section.
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Re: [CentOS] Trying to rebuild srpm from fedora....

[Tom Bishop]

Im just not seeing it, prolly staring me right in the face...attached is the
.spec file

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Ross Walker  wrote:

> On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Tom Bishop  wrote:
>
> Here is the section of the spec file:
>
>
> %{_bindir}/%{name}
>
> %{_datadir}/applications/%{name}.desktop
>
> %{_datadir}/%{name}
>
> %{_mandir}/man1/%{name}*
>
> %{_datadir}/pixmaps/
>
> %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/*/apps/%{name}.*
>
>
>
> it appears to be coverd...
>
>
> Ah, not really, rpmbuild is complainig about:
>
> /usr/share/applications/centos5-shutter.desktop
>
> It's possible the spec file originally mv'd the file to remove the fedoraX,
> but since the distro changed the file name changed. You'll need to edit the
> spec fix.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Trying to rebuild srpm from fedora....

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks Russ, I saw all the deps on their page, I guess I'll stop beating my
head against the wall...lol ;)

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:14 PM, R P Herrold  wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010, Akemi Yagi wrote:
>
> > This CentOS wiki will help you:
> >
> > http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/RebuildSRPM
> >
> > Akemi
>
> I corresponded privately with the OP on the target earlier
> today -- there are a metric F tonne of dependencies as well
> lying in wait
>
> gnome-web-photo is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> gtklp is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(File::HomeDir) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(File::HomeDir::Unix) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(File::MimeInfo::Applications) is needed by
> shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(File::Which) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Glib) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Gnome2) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Gnome2::Canvas) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Gnome2::GConf) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Gnome2::VFS) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Gnome2::Wnck) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Goo::Canvas) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Gtk2) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Gtk2::Gdk::Keysyms) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Gtk2::ImageView) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
> perl(Gtk2::Pango) is needed by shutter-0.85.1-1orc.noarch
>
> I've been poking at it piece-wise today (I was solving
> zoneminder and all deps), but it is not a beginner's task.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Virtualization - what do You recommend?

[Tom Bishop]

So I have tried and used most, I am anxious to see redhats next version of
KVM stuff that will make it into rhel 6, whenever that is, once the
management tools on LINUX catch up I will be moving towards that.  I am
currently using vmware server 2 on centos 5.4 and while there were some
issues there are documented work arounds and once up it has been very
stable.  The web interface is not anywhere near as good as the 1.x client it
gets the job done since I don't run windows natively anywhere.  The
bottleneck with almost all of the virtualizations is IO depending on # of
hosts and disk layout can affect them.  The bare kernel hypervisors like
esxi and proxmox etc will tend to have better performance but then you will
be unable to run native things on the server also, which is what I do and it
works nicely for what I want to accomplish.

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> On 2/2/2010 11:09 AM, Greg Bailey wrote:
> > Les Mikesell wrote:
> >> I have to agree that ESXi is better, but I've had VMware server running
> >> for years (mostly 1.x versions on CentOS 3.x, but also some CentOS 5.x
> >> and VMware 2.x) with no surprises other than jumpy clocks.  The servers
> >> have sometimes been shut down for power work but I've probably had more
> >> than a year of uptime for some intervals on C3 boxes running 3 windows
> >> guests.  I rarely use the vmware console though - I prefer to vnc
> >> directly to the guests once everything is set up.  The one advantage of
> >> Server vs. ESXi is that you can run things on the host natively if you
> >> want.
> >
> > I would say another advantage of Server as opposed to ESXi is that you
> > don't need a Windows box to administer it.  VMware Server version 1.X
> > uses a "server console" that has Windows and Linux clients, whereas I
> > believe VMware Server version 2 is web-based.  VMware ESXi *requires*
> > that you have a Windows machine to install the "vSphere Client".
>
> That's true, but the windows client doesn't need to be part of your
> production infrastructure - you only need it when making changes or if
> some problem prevents direct access to the guests with vnc/ssh, etc.  A
> laptop or remote desktop works fine - or you could run a windows VM
> under VMware server to install the ESXi setup if you really don't want
> to let windows touch your hardware (which probably came with windows
> installed...).
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[CentOS] Anyone using Active Driectory auth with Centos 5.4.....?

[Tom Bishop]

Setting up a new backuppc for a small group of device and I am running
centos 5.4 with winbind setup and working.  Everything is working and I
would like the users to authenicate using their AD creds and was wondering
what folks are using to do that with apache 2.2 and centos 5.4.  I know
about mod_auth_pam but that seems pretty dead so I was just wondering what
folks were using and whats the easiest to setup.  Any pointers to any how
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Re: [CentOS] Anyone using Active Driectory auth with Centos 5.4.....?

[Tom Bishop]

I looked over an most of which I have already done, the last piece that I am
trying to address is how to do authentication with Apache against active
directory, mod_auth_pam is one way but I have not had any luck getting it to
compile with the latest ApacheThanks

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Arvind P R  wrote:

> I had written a blog quite some time back on this. There might be some
> glitches in it, but will give you some clue. The blog is
> blog.Palalinha.Com
> i am sitting at the airport with my mobile so cant find you the
> correct thread in the blog. Let me know if it helps.
>
> On 2/8/10, Tom Bishop  wrote:
> > Setting up a new backuppc for a small group of device and I am running
> > centos 5.4 with winbind setup and working.  Everything is working and I
> > would like the users to authenicate using their AD creds and was
> wondering
> > what folks are using to do that with apache 2.2 and centos 5.4.  I know
> > about mod_auth_pam but that seems pretty dead so I was just wondering
> what
> > folks were using and whats the easiest to setup.  Any pointers to any how
> > to's would be appreciated...Thanks.
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Re: [CentOS] Anyone using Active Driectory auth with Centos 5.4.....?

[Tom Bishop]

This looks like the way to go, I don't like the username /pass stored in
plain text but maybe if I create a special group that doesn't really have
any privileges this would work, geez AD is just plain bad...lol, Thanks.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Pat and Lori Boyer wrote:

> I've had decent luck with LDAP authentication for Apache. AD does not
> support anonymous LDAP searches so you have to have a user account that has
> the ability to search AD. Here's a modified sample config (.htaccess or
> httpd.conf) that includes security group membership checks. This would
> require that a user login with their Windows domain username and password
> and that the user be a member of the AD security group 'managers':
>
> AuthType  basic
> AuthName  "Windows Domain Credentials - Managers Only"
> AuthzLDAPMethod   ldap
> AuthzLDAPServer   "dc1.example.com"
> AuthzLDAPBindDN   "CN=username,CN=Users,DC=example,DC=com"
> AuthzLDAPBindPassword "superSecretPassword"
> AuthzLDAPUserBase "CN=Users,DC=example,DC=com"
> AuthzLDAPUserKey  sAMAccountName
> AuthzLDAPUserScopesubtree
> AuthzLDAPGroupBase"CN=Users,DC=example,DC=com"
> AuthzLDAPGroupKey cn
> AuthzLDAPGroupScope   subtree
> AuthzLDAPMemberKeymember
> AuthzLDAPSetGroupAuth ldapdn
> require group managers
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Tom Bishop  wrote:
>
>> I looked over an most of which I have already done, the last piece that I
>> am trying to address is how to do authentication with Apache against active
>> directory, mod_auth_pam is one way but I have not had any luck getting it to
>> compile with the latest ApacheThanks
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Arvind P R  wrote:
>>
>>> I had written a blog quite some time back on this. There might be some
>>> glitches in it, but will give you some clue. The blog is
>>> blog.Palalinha.Com
>>> i am sitting at the airport with my mobile so cant find you the
>>> correct thread in the blog. Let me know if it helps.
>>>
>>> On 2/8/10, Tom Bishop  wrote:
>>> > Setting up a new backuppc for a small group of device and I am running
>>> > centos 5.4 with winbind setup and working.  Everything is working and I
>>> > would like the users to authenicate using their AD creds and was
>>> wondering
>>> > what folks are using to do that with apache 2.2 and centos 5.4.  I know
>>> > about mod_auth_pam but that seems pretty dead so I was just wondering
>>> what
>>> > folks were using and whats the easiest to setup.  Any pointers to any
>>> how
>>> > to's would be appreciated...Thanks.
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Re: [CentOS] Anyone using Active Driectory auth with Centos 5.4.....?

[Tom Bishop]

Point taken and I do understand, in reality I would rather have nothing to
do with MS which is insecure from the start, ever try to firewall an SBS
2003 install, good luck, they recommend turning it off, go figurelol

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Joseph L. Casale  wrote:

> >This looks like the way to go, I don't like the username /pass stored in
> plain text but maybe if I create a special group that doesn't really have
> any privileges this would work, geez AD is just plain bad...lol, Thanks.
>
> I guess you think insecure would be better? If I understand your need, you
> want
> to make AD insecure, so please enable anonymous binds so you don't need a
> user/pass
> to make the query:)
>
> Or program your own auth backend that binds with the intended creds asking
> for auth:)
> Oh, and do this w/o tls/ssl because you want it insecure:)
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Re: [CentOS] Anyone using Active Driectory auth with Centos 5.4.....?

[Tom Bishop]

I just need something for apache auth. I have winbind working just
fine for the other stuff...Thanks

On 2/9/10, Jay Leafey  wrote:
> If you are using AD for JUST authentication and not user information,
> you can use the PAM Kerberos stuff.  We've been using it for a couple of
> years from both CentOS/RHEL 4 and 5 systems with good results.  It was
> actually pretty easy to do (once we figured out which type of chicken
> bones to burn).
>
> You can use authconfig to turn it all on:
>
> authconfig --enablekrb5 --krb5realm {AD domain name} \
>  --enbablekrb5kdcdns --enablekrb5realmdns --update
>
> This will use DNS to locate the domain controller and KDC for the domain
> given the AD domain name.  You can manually specify the KDC and admin
> servers too, see the authconfig man page for specific details.
>
> If you want something perhaps more polished, you could look into the
> Likewise products, which handle the whole shooting match pretty well
> (http://www.likewise.com/products/likewise_open/).  I've played with the
> Open (free) version and it worked just fine, the Enterprise has more
> features but I haven't played with it.
>
> As always, YMMV.
> --
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Re: [CentOS] Anyone using Active Driectory auth with Centos 5.4.....?

[Tom Bishop]

I was able to get ldap auth working fairly easily, although getting SSL to
work took a little bit more effort due to trying to get the ca.cert from the
SBS server

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

> Em 10-02-2010 00:43, Tom Bishop escreveu:
> > I just need something for apache auth. I have winbind working just
> > fine for the other stuff...Thanks
>
> One thing I use is ldaps auth, but it will always demand an auth dialog.
>
> Kerberos ticket support has the advantage than you may avoid that, but
> it has the difficulty that you can't have a different username that easily.
>
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[CentOS] Centosplus vmware kernels....???

[Tom Bishop]

OK, so I need to bring up a new vm and was wondering what the state of vm
kernels for centos. I have read this
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2189about the tick divider but it
wasn't clear what the best step forward is for
centos 5.1 was, i usually ran with the clocksource=pit option and it looked
like that and the divider option caused a problem.  I have in the past
compiled my own but was wondering what others were now doing, thanks in
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Re: [CentOS] Centosplus vmware kernels....???

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks much, I have in the past compiled my own but thought I would check.
A big THANKS to whoever provides them...

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Akemi Yagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Tom Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OK, so I need to bring up a new vm and was wondering what the state of vm
> > kernels for centos. I have read this
> http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2189
> > about the tick divider but it wasn't clear what the best step forward is
> for
> > centos 5.1 was, i usually ran with the clocksource=pit option and it
> looked
> > like that and the divider option caused a problem.  I have in the past
> > compiled my own but was wondering what others were now doing, thanks in
> > advance 8-)
>
> Thanks to Tru, kernel-vm is all up-to-date and you can find it here:
>
> http://people.centos.org/tru/kernel-vm/
>
> and yes, using the clocksource=pit option should not be an issue with
> these kernels.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Centosplus vmware kernels....???

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks Tru and Johnny, one more question.  Can I just use the
centos5-testing repo, ie, yum enablerepoxxx install kernel-vm?  I ask
because I tried and while it worked it loaded an older kernel.  Should I
just go to tru's directory and install the RPM directly?  Also, ok more than
one question, are the open-vm-tools in the same repo or only found in
Johnny's testing directory.  Thanks again...

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ruslan Sivak wrote:
>
>>

>>>
>>> Thanks to Tru, kernel-vm is all up-to-date and you can find it here:
>>>
>>> http://people.centos.org/tru/kernel-vm/
>>>
>>> and yes, using the clocksource=pit option should not be an issue with
>>> these kernels.
>>>
>>> Akemi
>>>
>>>
>> So if I understand this correctly, one should not be using a stock kernel
>> when running inside a vm, but should use the kernel-vm kernel?
>>
>
> It depends on the host hardware and OS - many combinations have trouble
> servicing the 1000hz guest clock which has to be simulated in software.
>  Also, some host systems have variable speed CPUs controlled by power
> managment which throws off the guests:
>
> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1591
>
> --
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Re: [CentOS] Hardened ver of CentOS?

[Tom Bishop]

I have used this on my server http://bastille-linux.sourceforge.net/ ...

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Ned Slider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rogelio wrote:
>
>> John R Pierce wrote:
>>
>>> CentOS /is/ a distro,  there is only one centos 'distribution'.
>>>  centos configured with selinux enabled, appropriate firewall rules, and the
>>> minimum number of services required for your application should be fairly
>>> 'hardened' as-is.
>>>
>>
>> Understood.  I meant CentOS-based, but I suppose the "best" way is to just
>> roll something myself.
>>
>> I was hoping to find a nice list HOWTO or script that someone else was
>> using so I wouldn't have to think through everything from scratch.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>
> There are some guides around, for example:
>
> http://www.puschitz.com/SecuringLinux.shtml
>
> However security is not a one size fits all solution that can be applied
> off the shelf. You need to assess where *your* risks are and what you should
> do to minimize them.
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Re: [CentOS] Formatting an external USB drive

[Tom Bishop]

..or the OP might want to try to get gparted loaded up, would make things
much easier on him.  I think the last time I looked I found it on one of the
repo's but not sure which one.  It provides a very nice and easy gui to do
all of this from, although of course it is all available from the cli,
depending on his skill level.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:37 PM, David C. Miller wrote:

>
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Todd Cary" 
> > To: centos@centos.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 6:43:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Formatting an external USB drive
> >
> > Dave -
> >
> > I recieved this response and I am not sure what the next step
> > should be:
> >
> > [root@centos5 todd]# /sbin/fdisk /dev/sda1
> >
> > The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 30514.
> > There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
> > and could in certain setups cause problems with:
> > 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
> > 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
> > (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
> >
> > Command (m for help):
> > [root@centos5 todd]#
> >
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
>
>
>
> You are trying to run fdisk on the first partition of /dev/sda. Unless you
> are using an old PATA drive for booting your USB drive should not be
> /dev/sda. Before you go any further do the following commands and report
> back with the output.
>
> fdisk -l
>
> df -h
>
> David.
> >
> > On 10/5/2011 4:08 PM, David C. Miller wrote:
> > > - Original Message -
> > >> From: "Todd Cary"
> > >> To: "CentOS mailing list"
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 3:34:54 PM
> > >> Subject: [CentOS] Formatting an external USB drive
> > >>
> > >> I have an external USB drive that was formatted with NTFS and I
> > >> want to use it to backup some files from my Centos 5.5 system.
> > >>
> > >> When I check my documentation, I am not certain of the best way
> > >> to do the formatting.
> > >>
> > >> Suggestions welcomed
> > >>
> > >> Todd
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >>
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> > > Use fdisk as root. Before plugging the drive in type "fdisk -l" to
> > > get a listing of drives already attached. Plug the drive in and
> > > after a minute type "fdisk -l" to see the new drive listed. It
> > > will be something like /dev/sdX where X is the next letter in the
> > > order. to set the drive up type "fdisk /dev/sdX". To clear the
> > > partition table type o and hit return and then type w and hit
> > > return. Now type "fdisk /dev/sdX" again. Type n and hit return.
> > > Type p and hit return. Type 1 and hit return. Hit return twice
> > > more to use the whole disk. Type w and hit return to finish. To
> > > format it type "mkfs.ext3 -L usb-disk /dev/sdX1" and hit return to
> > > format the partition as ext3. Create a directory to mount the disk
> > > to "mkdir /backup-disk" and then mount it "mount LABEL=usb-disk
> > > /backup-disk". To have it auto mount at boot edit the /etc/fstab
> > > file and add.
> > >
> > > LABEL=usb-disk /backup-disk ext3 defaults 0 0
> > >
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Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks, that is the part I was looking for also...I wish thee was someway
that Redhat would work with folks to not make it so difficult, I realize
that the original intent was to make it harder for Oracle and the likes but
the end up hurting the community more than they hurt the big guys...bummer
:(

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> Snip
> So, the short answer is, it now takes longer.
>
> Thanks,
> Johnny Hughes
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Re: [CentOS] Dedicated Firewall/Router

[Tom Bishop]

I would get a dell r210 from the outlet site and then load pfsense,
been running in multiple locations, solid and works great.

On 1/16/12, Jason T. Slack-Moehrle  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I want to build a dedicated firewall/router as I am launching a NPO and I
> can host this in my garage. (Comcast offered me a 100 x 20 circuit for
> $99/mo with 5 statics)
>
> I used to run Untangle, but as of version 9, you are forced to use their
> build in protocol policies versus the firewalling I am used to (Deny All and
> then opening holes for specific IP's, etc).
>
> There are so many firewall distros to choose from. FireStarter, IPCOP, etc.
>
> The box I was going to use is a P4, 3GB RAM, 3 GB NICS.
>
> I could always use a beefier box also if there was really a need to for such
> a task.
>
> I am used to some Cisco PIX boxes and they just seem fast on hardly any
> specs. I had a PIX 525 that only had 256mb of RAM about 8 years ago and it
> was a rockstar.
>
> Thoughts, opinions, suggestions are welcome as to what to do!
>
>
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Re: [CentOS] Promo Store is now open

[Tom Bishop]

For Shipping to the US it appears to be about ~$17 per shirt or there
aboutsI did 2 of them and it was $35...

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Craig Thompson <
cthomp...@loganthompsonlaw.com> wrote:

> There's no way to see what shipping is without checking out -- which means
> registering.  Do you know what shipping is to the US in general?
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[CentOS] Centos 6.x and Freenx issue..

[Tom Bishop]

Finally got a chance to install Centos 6.x x86_64 version and having an
issue with the latest version of freenx.  This is a desktop install on a
esxi 5 with all updates and only thing I have installed is the latest
vmware tools.  When I enable the extras repo and install the
nx-3.5.0-1.el6.ay.x86_64.rpm and freenx-0.7.3-8.el6.ay.x86_64.rpm.  When I
try to logon the desktop pops up but I get the little busy circle and it
never completes, I am unable to close the session or do anything to the
freenx window.  Here is the odd, part, if I install the earlier versions
from toracat, freenx-0.7.3-7.el6.ay.x86_64.rpm and
nx-3.4.0-7.el6.ay.x86_64.rpm the session comes up and works fine,I can
exclude the updates but wondering if anyone has any idea of what I might
try to get it to work with the latest, thanks in advance.
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 6.x and Freenx issue..

[Tom Bishop]

Looks like it might be this, will not get a chance to test until tonight
but this reads just like what I am seeing...will post back, I debated on
going with the esx tools vs the open source tools, looks like I guessed
wrong :(

From: christoph.galuschka@chello.a

Tom,

take a look at this post, maybe it solves your problem.

http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2012-February/008570.html

cheers


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Akemi Yagi  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Tom Bishop  wrote:
> > Finally got a chance to install Centos 6.x x86_64 version and having an
> > issue with the latest version of freenx.  This is a desktop install on a
> > esxi 5 with all updates and only thing I have installed is the latest
> > vmware tools.  When I enable the extras repo and install the
> > nx-3.5.0-1.el6.ay.x86_64.rpm and freenx-0.7.3-8.el6.ay.x86_64.rpm.  When
> I
> > try to logon the desktop pops up but I get the little busy circle and it
> > never completes, I am unable to close the session or do anything to the
> > freenx window.  Here is the odd, part, if I install the earlier versions
> > from toracat, freenx-0.7.3-7.el6.ay.x86_64.rpm and
> > nx-3.4.0-7.el6.ay.x86_64.rpm the session comes up and works fine,I can
> > exclude the updates but wondering if anyone has any idea of what I might
> > try to get it to work with the latest, thanks in advance.
>
> That is strange. The fact that the desktop appears suggests that it is
> not really authentication-related issue. If anything, it might be
> related to the update of nx from 3.4.x to 3.5.x because the latest
> freenx update was nothing significant (better SELinux handling).
>
> Do you see anything interesting in ~/.nx/ ? Or any other places (logs etc)
> ?
>
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 6.x and Freenx issue..Solved!!

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks much to* Christoph *for pointing me in the right direction, appears
to be an issue with the latest Vmware -tools, not sure I did a clean
install with the opensource ones to see if they had the same issues but
applying both of the fixes in the link post solves the problem with running
the latest freenx and nx rpms found in the repo. Thanks again :)

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:36 AM, christoph.galusc...@chello.at <
christoph.galusc...@chello.at> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> take a look at this post, maybe it solves your problem.
>
> http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2012-February/008570.html
>
> cheers
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[CentOS] RHEL 6 potential release date???

[Tom Bishop]

Benn playing with the beta's and have looked around for a potential release
date...Does anyone know what the likely date is??? Thanks
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 6 potential release date???

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks and Yes and I agree and know that, but I was just wondering if they
had a potential target date.I have read September and also October but
was wondering if any of that was more than speculation

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:05 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 03:16:59PM -0500, Tom Bishop wrote:
> > Benn playing with the beta's and have looked around for a potential
> release
> > date...Does anyone know what the likely date is??? Thanks
>
> "When it is ready and not a second before."
>
>I would suggest you ask upstream but they will tell you the
>exact same thing.
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Re: [CentOS] securing centos 5.2 for public usage

[Tom Bishop]

+1 for bastille...

On 9/18/10, m.r...@5-cent.us  wrote:
> Roland RoLaNd wrote:
>>
>> i Just finished setting up an apache service on a centos 5.2 VM machine.
>>
>> i need to secure this machine as i'm soon to be setting a public IP over
>> it where i'd be opening up the following services:
>>
>> 1. http
>> 2. https
>> 3. ssh
>>
>>
>> Things i've done so far:
>>
>> 1. stopped root ssh access in sshd.conf
>> 2. tried configuring PAM so i get a more secure ssh passwords (dictionary
>> wise) as well as tried setting up a 2 times authentication failure for the
>> account to be disabled for 12 hours (i couldnl't succeed in setting this
>> up)
>> 3. disabled port forwarding (to deny outsiders to tunnel through the
>> server inside my network) couldn't succeed with this either.
>>
> Well, you could set selinux enforcing (AUGH!!!). Another possibility is
> run Bastille Linux on it to harden it. I really like the latter - I used
> it to harden an old system of mine, first Redhat 7.x, then Redhat 9 (yes,
> this is years ago), and used that as my firewall/router, and in something
> like 9 years online, on broadband, to the best of my knowledge, I never
> had an intrusion.
>
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Re: [CentOS] In the press, once again

[Tom Bishop]

+1 Just Awesome.ROFL.too funny :)


Thanks for the link

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Timo Schoeler
wrote:

> May be a little bit off topic, but this gave me hard laugh:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/
>
> Windows admins use a virtualized CentOS machine to copy files because
> their own tools are not able to handle copying a bigger amount of data. :)
>
> Cheers,
>
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[CentOS] Raid 10 questions...2 drive

[Tom Bishop]

I have been reading lots of stuff but trying to find out if a raid10 2drive
setup is any better/worse than a normal raid 1 setupI have to 1Tb drives
for my data and a seperate system drive, I am only interested in doing raid
on my data...


So i setup my initial test like this

mdadm -v --create /dev/md0 --chunk 1024 --level=raid10 --raid-devices=2
/dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1


I have also read about near and far but was going to play with this and was
wondering if anyone had any insights for 2 drives setup...Thanks...
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Re: [CentOS] Raid 10 questions...2 drive

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks for all of the inputs...I finally came across a good article
summarizing what I needed, looks like I am going to try to the f2 option and
then do some testing vs the default n2 option.  I am building the array as
we speak but it looks like building the f2 option will take 24hrs vs 2hrs
for the n2 optionthis is on 2 1TB hdd

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Ross Walker  wrote:

> On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Tom H  wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Ross Walker 
> wrote:
> >> On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Chan <
> christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk> wrote:
> >>> Jacob Bresciani wrote:
>  RAID10 requires at least 4 drives does it not?
> 
>  Since it's a strip set of mirrored disks, the smallest configuration I
>  can see is 4 disks, 2 mirrored pairs stripped.
> >>>
> >>> He might be referring to what he can get from the mdraid10 (i know,
> Neil
> >>> Brown could have chosen a better name) which is not quite the same as
> >>> nested 1+0. Doing it the nested way, you need at least 4 drives. Using
> >>> mdraid10 is another story. Thanks Neil for muddying the waters!
> >
> >
> >> True, but if you figure it out mdraid10 with 2 drives = raid1, you would
> need 3
> >> drives to get the distributed copy feature of Neil's mdraid10.
> >
> > I had posted earlier (
> > http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2010-September/099473.html )
> > that mdraid10 with two drives is basically raid1 but that it has some
> > mirroring options. In the "far layout" mirroring option (where,
> > according to WP, "all the drives are divided into f sections and all
> > the chunks are repeated in each section but offset by one device")
> > reads are faster than mdraid1 or vanilla mdraid10 on two drives.
>
> If you have any two copies of the same chunk on the same drive then
> redundancy is completely lost.
>
> Therefore without loosing redundancy mdraid10 over two drives will have to
> be identical to raid1.
>
> Reads on a raid1 can be serviced by either side of the mirror, I believe
> the policy is hard coded to round robin. I don't know if it is smart enough
> to distinguish sequential pattern from random and only service sequential
> reads from one side or not.
>
> >> For true RAID10 support in Linux you create multiple mdraid1 physical
> >> volumes, create a LVM volume group out of them and create logical
> >> volumes that interleave between these physical volumes.
> >
> > Vanilla mdraid10 with four drives is "true raid10".
>
> Well like you stated above that depends on the near or far layout pattern,
> you can get the same performance as a raid10 or better in certain workloads,
> but it really isn't a true raid10 in the sense that it isn't a stripe set of
> raid1s, but a distributed mirror set.
>
> Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's not as good as a true raid10, in
> fact I believe it to be better as it provides way more flexibility and is a
> lot simpler of an implementation, but not really a raid10, but something
> completely new.
>
> -Ross
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Re: [CentOS] Raid 10 questions...2 drive

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks everyone for the input...I have decided to go with the f2 option,
however the rebuild time seems to be taking quite a long time, almost
24hr...I have read that there are options for speeding this up but want to
make sure that they are ok to dohas to do with setting the minimum speed
limit...

# sysctl dev.raid.speed_limit_min
# sysctl dev.raid.speed_limit_max


On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Tom H  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Ross Walker  wrote:
> > On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Tom H  wrote:
> >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Ross Walker 
> wrote:
> >>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Chan <
> christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk> wrote:
>  Jacob Bresciani wrote:
> > RAID10 requires at least 4 drives does it not?
> >
> > Since it's a strip set of mirrored disks, the smallest configuration
> I
> > can see is 4 disks, 2 mirrored pairs stripped.
> 
>  He might be referring to what he can get from the mdraid10 (i know,
> Neil
>  Brown could have chosen a better name) which is not quite the same as
>  nested 1+0. Doing it the nested way, you need at least 4 drives. Using
>  mdraid10 is another story. Thanks Neil for muddying the waters!
> >>
> >>
> >>> True, but if you figure it out mdraid10 with 2 drives = raid1, you
> would need 3
> >>> drives to get the distributed copy feature of Neil's mdraid10.
> >>
> >> I had posted earlier (
> >> http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2010-September/099473.html )
> >> that mdraid10 with two drives is basically raid1 but that it has some
> >> mirroring options. In the "far layout" mirroring option (where,
> >> according to WP, "all the drives are divided into f sections and all
> >> the chunks are repeated in each section but offset by one device")
> >> reads are faster than mdraid1 or vanilla mdraid10 on two drives.
> >
> > If you have any two copies of the same chunk on the same drive
> > then redundancy is completely lost.
> >
> > Therefore without loosing redundancy mdraid10 over two drives
> > will have to be identical to raid1.
> >
> > Reads on a raid1 can be serviced by either side of the mirror, I
> > believe the policy is hard coded to round robin. I don't know if it is
> > smart enough to distinguish sequential pattern from random and
> > only service sequential reads from one side or not.
> >
> >>> For true RAID10 support in Linux you create multiple mdraid1 physical
> >>> volumes, create a LVM volume group out of them and create logical
> >>> volumes that interleave between these physical volumes.
> >>
> >> Vanilla mdraid10 with four drives is "true raid10".
> >
> > Well like you stated above that depends on the near or far layout
> pattern,
> > you can get the same performance as a raid10 or better in certain
> > workloads, but it really isn't a true raid10 in the sense that it isn't a
> stripe
> > set of raid1s, but a distributed mirror set.
> >
> > Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's not as good as a true raid10,
> > in fact I believe it to be better as it provides way more flexibility and
> is a
> > lot simpler of an implementation, but not really a raid10, but something
> > completely new.
>
> You must've misunderstood me.
>
> mdraid10 on two disks: it is raid1 but you have the option of
> mirroring, for example, cylinder 24 on disk 1 with cylinder 48 on disk
> 2; the Wikipedia article says that it makes reads faster (I don't
> understand why but that's a different story).
>
> mdraid10 on four disks: it is true raid10 but you also have various
> "--layout=" options.
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[CentOS] RAID rebuild time and disk utilization....

[Tom Bishop]

So I'm in the process of building and testing a raid setup and it appeared
to take along time to build I came across some settings for setting the min
amount of time and that helped but it appears that one of the disks is
struggling  (100 utilization) vs the other one...I was wondering if anyone
else has seen this and if so, is their a solution for it...my 2 disks are 1
Samsung F3 1tb /dev/sdb and 1 Seagate 7200.12 1Tb /dev/sdc...smartctl looks
good on both


sar -dbpqu -P ALL 60 1
Linux 2.6.18-194.11.4.el5 (dpcserver)   09/27/2010

10:09:41 AM   CPU %user %nice   %system   %iowait%steal
%idle
10:10:41 AM   all  0.03  0.00  1.11  0.00  0.00
98.86
10:10:41 AM 0  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
100.00
10:10:41 AM 1  0.10  0.00  1.25  0.00  0.00
98.65
10:10:41 AM 2  0.00  0.00  3.18  0.02  0.00
96.80
10:10:41 AM 3  0.00  0.00  0.02  0.00  0.00
99.98

10:09:41 AM   tps  rtps  wtps   bread/s   bwrtn/s
10:10:41 AM838.27836.41  1.87 107059.98 32.54

10:09:41 AM   DEV   tps  rd_sec/s  wr_sec/s  avgrq-sz  avgqu-sz
await svctm %util
10:10:41 AM   sda  0.93  0.00 16.27 17.43  0.00
2.12  0.29  0.03
10:10:41 AM  sda1  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
0.00  0.00  0.00
10:10:41 AM  sda2  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
0.00  0.00  0.00
10:10:41 AM  sda3  0.93  0.00 16.27 17.43  0.00
2.12  0.29  0.03
10:10:41 AM   sdb209.10  26764.99  0.00128.00 30.90
148.02  4.78100.02
10:10:41 AM  sdb1209.10  26764.99  0.00128.00 30.90
148.02  4.78100.02
10:10:41 AM   sdc209.10  26764.99  0.00128.00  0.41
1.94  0.60 12.57
10:10:41 AM  sdc1209.10  26764.99  0.00128.00  0.41
1.94  0.60 12.57
10:10:41 AM   md0  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
0.00  0.00  0.00

10:09:41 AM   runq-sz  plist-sz   ldavg-1   ldavg-5  ldavg-15
10:10:41 AM 0   167  1.02  1.03  1.00



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Re: [CentOS] RAID rebuild time and disk utilization....

[Tom Bishop]

 252   252   000Old_age
Always   -   0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   252   252   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0x0036   200   200   000Old_age
Always   -   0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x002a   100   100   000Old_age
Always   -   0
223 Load_Retry_Count0x0032   252   252   000Old_age
Always   -   0
225 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032   100   100   000Old_age
Always   -   5








On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ross Walker  wrote:

> On Sep 27, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Les Mikesell  wrote:
>
> > On 9/27/2010 12:19 PM, Benjamin Franz wrote:
> >> On 09/27/2010 08:15 AM, Tom Bishop wrote:
> >>> So I'm in the process of building and testing a raid setup and it
> >>> appeared to take along time to build I came across some settings for
> >>> setting the min amount of time and that helped but it appears that one
> >>> of the disks is struggling  (100 utilization) vs the other one...I was
> >>> wondering if anyone else has seen this and if so, is their a solution
> >>> for it...my 2 disks are 1 Samsung F3 1tb /dev/sdb and 1 Seagate
> >>> 7200.12 1Tb /dev/sdc...smartctl looks good on both
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> What is the output from 'cat /proc/mdstat'?
> >
> > Also, head position/motion is the usual limiting factor with disk
> > performance.  Do you have other disk activity that will keep yanking the
> > head on the active drive away from the track currently needed for the
> > rebuild?
>
> Also, also, if any of the drives are operating in PIO mode (Legacy Mode)
> then rebuild times will be horrific, as well as performance afterward. Make
> sure all drives are in SATA/AHCI mode.
>
> -Ross
>
> PS look at svc_tm in iostat and make sure all drives are performing
> correctly. Maybe a bad cable or flakey port expander...
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Re: [CentOS] RAID rebuild time and disk utilization....

[Tom Bishop]

Here are the iostats:


Device: rrqm/s   wrqm/s   r/s   w/s   rsec/s   wsec/s avgrq-sz
avgqu-sz   await  svctm  %util
sda   0.15 2.47  0.41  0.8213.0126.3631.97
0.016.98   1.01   0.12
sda1  0.02 0.00  0.00  0.00 0.04 0.0024.50
0.005.38   4.82   0.00
sda2  0.01 0.00  0.00  0.00 0.03 0.0037.79
0.006.77   5.85   0.00
sda3  0.12 2.47  0.40  0.8212.9326.3631.98
0.016.96   1.01   0.12
sdb   1.48 0.00 315.21  0.01 40533.39 0.75   128.59
26.94   85.45   2.80  88.24
sdb1  1.47 0.00 315.21  0.01 40533.30 0.75   128.59
26.94   85.45   2.80  88.24
sdc   1.04 0.00 315.65  0.01 40533.48 1.09   128.41
1.926.07   0.88  27.69
sdc1  1.02 0.00 315.65  0.01 40533.39 1.09   128.41
1.926.07   0.88  27.68
md0   0.00 0.00  0.00  0.00 0.00 0.00 8.00
0.000.00   0.00   0.00

Device: rrqm/s   wrqm/s   r/s   w/s   rsec/s   wsec/s avgrq-sz
avgqu-sz   await  svctm  %util
sda   0.0016.80  0.00  1.00 0.00   142.40   142.40
0.001.00   0.60   0.06
sda1  0.00 0.00  0.00  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
0.000.00   0.00   0.00
sda2  0.00 0.00  0.00  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
0.000.00   0.00   0.00
sda3  0.0016.80  0.00  1.00 0.00   142.40   142.40
0.001.00   0.60   0.06
sdb  56.40 0.00 189.60  0.00 30822.40 0.00   162.57
17.45   93.23   5.28 100.02
sdb1 56.40 0.00 189.60  0.00 30822.40 0.00   162.57
17.45   93.23   5.28 100.02
sdc   0.00 0.00 239.40  0.00 30643.20 0.00   128.00
0.692.89   0.68  16.24
sdc1  0.00 0.00 239.40  0.00 30643.20 0.00   128.00
0.692.89   0.68  16.24
md0   0.00 0.00  0.00  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
0.000.00   0.00   0.00


The samsung is on sdb and almost always 100% and svctm is higher than 2.



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Tom Bishop  wrote:

> Thanks ROss, I poured through my dmesg logs and all looks well, things
> appear fine but i don't think the samsung should be running at
> 100%...something is not right but it hasn't bit me yether are my dmesg
> logs...
>
> scsi0 : ahci
> scsi1 : ahci
> scsi2 : ahci
> scsi3 : ahci
> scsi4 : ahci
> scsi5 : ahci
> ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1...@0xfe6ffc00 port 0xfe6ffd00 irq 225
> ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1...@0xfe6ffc00 port 0xfe6ffd80 irq 225
> ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1...@0xfe6ffc00 port 0xfe6ffe00 irq 225
> ata4: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1...@0xfe6ffc00 port 0xfe6ffe80 irq 225
> ata5: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1...@0xfe6ffc00 port 0xfe6fff00 irq 225
> ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1...@0xfe6ffc00 port 0xfe6fff80 irq 225
> ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
> ata1.00: ATA-8: WDC WD3200AAJS-00L7A0, 01.03E01, max UDMA/133
> ata1.00: 625142448 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
> ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
> ata2: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
> ata2.00: ATA-8: SAMSUNG HD103SJ, 1AJ10001, max UDMA/133
> ata2.00: 1953525168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
> ata2.00: configured for UDMA/133
> ata3: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
> ata3.00: ATA-8: ST31000528AS, CC3E, max UDMA/133
> ata3.00: 1953525168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
> ata3.00: configured for UDMA/133
> ata4: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
> ata5: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
> ata6: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
>   Vendor: ATA   Model: WDC WD3200AAJS-0  Rev: 01.0
>   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 05
> SCSI device sda: 625142448 512-byte hdwr sectors (320073 MB)
> sda: Write Protect is off
> sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
> SCSI device sda: 625142448 512-byte hdwr sectors (320073 MB)
> sda: Write Protect is off
> sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
>  sda: sda1 sda2 sda3
> sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda
>   Vendor: ATA   Model: SAMSUNG HD103SJ   Rev: 1AJ1
>   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 05
> SCSI device sdb: 1953525168 512-byte hdwr sectors (1000205 MB)
> sdb: Write Protect is off
> sdb: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back
> SCSI device sdb: 1953525168 512-byte hdwr sectors (1000205 MB)
> sdb: Write Protect is off
> sdb: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back
>  sdb: sdb1
> sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdb
>   Vendor: ATA   Model: ST31000528AS  Rev: CC3E
>   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI 

Re: [CentOS] RAID rebuild time and disk utilization....

[Tom Bishop]

How do I figure out if it's a 4k sector drive, I've read about that but
never looked into it...is there any way to tell, and when you mean start my
partition, I only have one large partition, since this is just for my data
filesso you mean I should start on 2048 and go up from there???  Thanks
in advance...going to do some more reading...


Here is the link to the samsung
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=72&type=94&subtype=98&model_cd=507&tab=fea&ppmi=1219

talks about 512B per sectorwhich would be 4096unless they changed
something...

So should I break it and change the partitions and if so do I do it on both
of the disks so they are the same???  Thanks in advance...going to do some
more reading...

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Ross Walker  wrote:

> On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Tom Bishop  wrote:
>
> > Here are the iostats:
> >
> >
> > Device: rrqm/s   wrqm/s   r/s   w/s   rsec/s   wsec/s avgrq-sz
> avgqu-sz   await  svctm  %util
> > sda   0.15 2.47  0.41  0.8213.0126.3631.97
>   0.016.98   1.01   0.12
> > sda1  0.02 0.00  0.00  0.00 0.04 0.0024.50
>   0.005.38   4.82   0.00
> > sda2  0.01 0.00  0.00  0.00 0.03 0.0037.79
>   0.006.77   5.85   0.00
> > sda3  0.12 2.47  0.40  0.8212.9326.3631.98
>   0.016.96   1.01   0.12
> > sdb   1.48 0.00 315.21  0.01 40533.39 0.75   128.59
>  26.94   85.45   2.80  88.24
> > sdb1  1.47 0.00 315.21  0.01 40533.30 0.75   128.59
>  26.94   85.45   2.80  88.24
>
> Average queue size of 26.94 requests, average wait time of 85.45ms, service
> time of 2.8ms ain't bad, but means the sequential IO is randomizing and
> backing up the IO.
>
> Chances are this is probably a 4k sector drive and the partition's
> alignment crosses a 4k page causing double reads. Better to start partitions
> on sector 2048 instead of 63.
>
> Am I correct on these?
>
> If so I'd break the RAID re-partition and resilver it.
>
> -Ross
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Re: [CentOS] RAID rebuild time and disk utilization....

[Tom Bishop]

The samsung model is not a 4K sector drive, although I did tear it down and
made the partition changes moving it to start at sector 64 vs 63 and also
tried at 2048when all was said and done, no change in performance.  One
final step that I did make was to move the drive to a different port along
with changing the cable, I moved to the port that the other drive was on and
working fineafter doing that it appears the problem follows the
drive...I am thinking of swapping out the drive and then going from
there




On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Ross Walker  wrote:

> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:40 AM, John R Pierce  wrote:
>
> >  On 09/27/10 7:49 PM, Tom Bishop wrote:
> >> How do I figure out if it's a 4k sector drive, I've read about that
> >> but never looked into it...is there any way to tell, and when you mean
> >> start my partition, I only have one large partition, since this is
> >> just for my data filesso you mean I should start on 2048 and go up
> >> from there???  Thanks in advance...going to do some more reading...
> >
> > a lot of new drives are using 4K byte sectors internally for various
> > technical reasons.  they pretend they have 512 byte sectors externally
> > for compatibility
> >
> > by default, the first few blocks of the disk is the MBR, then the first
> > partition starts right after that.   if you dont do anything special
> > about this, odds are, 'right after that' is not on a 4K boundary.  you
> > need to 'trim' the start position of the each partition so its on a 4K
> > boundary.
>
> True, traditionally fdisk has made the first partition start on sector 63
> (sectors 0-62 holds MBR and maybe grub secondary loader) as that is what DOS
> did. Sector 63 is 1 sector before the 16th 4k block, thus every read and
> write will straddle two blocks, sequential IO will suffer since it will have
> to seek back one for each step forward (if the block isn't in cache), and
> each write will incur a read.
>
> This can be avoided by manually creating your partition at a given offset
> and/or manipulating your LVM metadata size so the first extent starts at the
> proper offset.
>
> Sector 2048 (1MB) was chosen because not only is it on a 4k boundary, but
> it is also aligned with most RAID chunk sizes, and thus won't straddle two
> RAID chunks which incurs another penalty.
>
> Windows 2008 and later default to sector 2048 and if you can control the
> partition offset it's recommended to do the same.
>
> Having said that I don't believe the OP's problem is completely due to
> misalignment, but a combo of that and hardware problems.
>
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[CentOS] Format details for a raid partition....

[Tom Bishop]

So I have been playing with a RAID 10 f2 ( 2 disks far layout)
setup...thanks for all of the advice..Now I am playing with the format and
want to make sure I have it setup the best that I can, my raid was built
using the raid 10 option with 2 disks with the layout=far, chunk size
512now I read all of the docs I could find about format and stride and
stripe size and this is what i came up with...

mkfs -t ext4 -E stride=128,stripe-width=32 /dev/md0


Someone let meknow if this looks right, but since i only have two disks to
get my stride 512/4k=128 and then to get my stripe 2/2*128/4=32



Does that look right and if not let me know but more important how to obtain
the right number so I can do it correctly in the future...Thanks.
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Re: [CentOS] looking for a decent free / Open Source flash media server

[Tom Bishop]

Is anyone using or played with wowza???looks interesting...

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Tom G. Christensen
wrote:

> Rudi Ahlers wrote:
> > Does anyone have any suggestions for me?
> >
> http://www.wowzamedia.com/index.html
>
> -tgc
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Re: [CentOS] looking for a decent free / Open Source flash media server

[Tom Bishop]

Wowza development editiion is free for personal use and appears to have all
of the beels and whisltes but is limited to 10 concurrent connections

* Editions and Pricing  *
 Wowza gives you the choice of licensing editions to fit your business model
and your budget. From a FREE Wowza Server Developer edition





On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Rudi Ahlers  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Tom G. Christensen
>  wrote:
> > Rudi Ahlers wrote:
> >> Does anyone have any suggestions for me?
> >>
> > http://www.wowzamedia.com/index.html
> >
> > -tgc
> >
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> $65 a month! That's a rip-off, but thanx for the suggestion :)
>
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Re: [CentOS] looking for a decent free / Open Source flash media server

[Tom Bishop]

Naah  I don't work for Wowza...not even close...first time I've ever heard
of itbut you didn't include that you worked for a hosting
companythat changes the perspective...I was thinking home environment ;)

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Rudi Ahlers  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Tom Bishop  wrote:
> > Wowza development editiion is free for personal use and appears to have
> all
> > of the beels and whisltes but is limited to 10 concurrent connections
> >
> > Editions and Pricing
> > Wowza gives you the choice of licensing editions to fit your business
> model
> > and your budget. From a FREE Wowza Server Developer edition
>
>
> I take it you work for Woza? We're a hosting company so I can't use
> the free version. and 10 connections won't cut it, so I understand
> we're going to have to fork out $65+/pm which is simply put
> ridicioulous.
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Re: [CentOS] FreeNx doesn't work?

[Tom Bishop]

I use freenx and install it very frequently, I don't modify the sshd config
but go here to get a copy of the .ssh key...
/var/lib/nxserver/home/.ssh/client.id_dsa.key
and copy that to your client machine



in  fact if you want to generate a new key the comman is nxkeygen


see if that makes any difference


2010/10/13 José María Terry Jiménez 

> Hello
>
> To ease remove the centos packages and install the RPMs from nomachine.com
>
>
> Best
>
> --
> El 15/08/2010 18:49, gaohu  escribió:
>
>On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:17 AM, gaohu  wrote:
>  > I have installed freenx with this article
> >
> > http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/FreeNX
> >
> > but when I use freenx-client on windows to connect to server,
> > I always get an "freenx Authentication failed."
>  You appear to have missed a step or configured the auth bits
> incorrectly. The NX user is the user who authenticates via ssh, and
> you authenticate via nx to the proper session. Go through the steps in
> the wiki again carefully and double check the logs to see who you're
> attempting to authenticate as. I'd bet you're trying to auth as your
> user instead of as the nx user and since the wiki states that only the
> nx user is authorized (via the AllowUsers nx statement) auth is
> failing for that reason.
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> act.
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> My config as follows:
> 1. config sshd config, I add
>
> PasswordAuthentication noAllowUsers nx---> nx is not an 
> actual user in my system.
>
> 2. add user, I config
>  nxserver --add user gaohu  <--- gaohu is a common user on my system, and
> can connect via ssh with isa key
>, (and password also works before I use ssh
> key to audit.)
>
>  then re config sshd config file, set
>  *AllowUsers nx gaohu*
> **
>  one thing I can not understand is sshd default use
>
> /home/myuser/.ssh/authorized_keys, file
>
> but nxserver generate the key at
>
>
>
> /home/myuser/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file, should I do other settings
>
> in sshd config file to support this?
>
>
>
> 3.then I install the client and copy */*etc/nxserver/client.id_dsa.key file 
> content
>
> to the key window.
>
>
>
> That's all.
>
>
>
> but when I run nxserver --test ? I just got permission denied ? why?
>
>
>
> following is my sshd_config file, Could any one help?
>
>
>
> 
>  =
>
>
>
> # $OpenBSD: sshd_config,v 1.73 2005/12/06 22:38:28 reyk Exp $
> # This is the sshd server system-wide configuration file.  See
> # sshd_config(5) for more information.
> # This sshd was compiled with PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin
> # The strategy used for options in the default sshd_config shipped with
> # OpenSSH is to specify options with their default value where
> # possible, but leave them commented.  Uncommented options change a
> # default value.
> #Port 22
> #Protocol 2,1
> Protocol 2
> #AddressFamily any
> #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0
> #ListenAddress ::
> # HostKey for protocol version 1
> #HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key
> # HostKeys for protocol version 2
> #HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
> #HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
> # Lifetime and size of ephemeral version 1 server key
> #KeyRegenerationInterval 1h
> #ServerKeyBits 768
> # Logging
> # obsoletes QuietMode and FascistLogging
> #SyslogFacility AUTH
> SyslogFacility AUTHPRIV
> #LogLevel INFO
> # Authentication:
> #LoginGraceTime 2m
> #PermitRootLogin yes
> #StrictModes yes
> #MaxAuthTries 6
> RSAAuthentication yes
> PubkeyAuthentication yes
> AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys
> # For this to work you will also need host keys in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
> #RhostsRSAAuthentication no
> # similar for protocol version 2
> #HostbasedAuthentication no
> # Change to yes if you don't trust ~/.ssh/known_hosts for
> # RhostsRSAAuthentication and HostbasedAuthentication
> #IgnoreUserKnownHosts no
> # Don't read the user's ~/.rhosts and ~/.shosts files
> #IgnoreRhosts yes
> # To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here!
> #PasswordAuthentication yes
> #PermitEmptyPasswords no
> PasswordAuthentication no
> AllowUsers nx gaohu
> # Change to no to disable s/key passwords
> #ChallengeResponseAuthentication yes
> ChallengeResponseAuthentication no
> # Kerberos options
> #KerberosAuthentication no
> #KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes
> #KerberosTicketCleanup yes
> #KerberosGetAFSToken no
> # GSSAPI options
> #GSSAPIAuthentication no
> GSSAPIAuthentication yes
> #GSSAPICleanupCredentials yes
> GSSAPICleanupCredentials yes
> # Set this to 'yes' to enable PAM authentication, account processing, <
>  /DIV>
> # and session processing. If this is enabled, PAM authentication will

Re: [CentOS] FYI: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 Release Candidate Available to Partners

[Tom Bishop]

+1 can't wait

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Timo Schoeler
wrote:

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> There's progress...
>
>
> http://press.redhat.com/2010/10/18/red-hat-enterprise-linux-6-release-candidate-available-to-partners/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Timo
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Re: [CentOS] Best supported motherboard

[Tom Bishop]

Well it depends on what you want in your new board, workstation vs
serverI just built 2 machines based on this boardMSI 785G-E53 AM3
785G...with amd quad coresone is acting as a server and centos 5.5
loaded up just fine with no issues, running KVM with a couple of VM'sI
would look at the 1055T or 1090T CPU which have 6 cores and would probably
give you better performance if you want to run 4 or 5 vm's.the one thing
that I did was use a pata DVD burner...since I have heard of issues with the
sata versions and centosI prefer amd to Intel since I'm always on a very
limited budget...;)

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Basil Kurian  wrote:

> Which among these three motherboard is the best supported in Linux
> (Centos/Ubuntu) ?
>
>
> Intel® Desktop Board DH55HC [ http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=42409 ]
>
> Intel® Desktop Board DP55WG [ http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=40078 ]
>
> Intel® Desktop Board DP55KG [
> http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DP55KG/DP55KG-overview.htm]
>
>
>
> Also which will be a good processor , for using in a desktop PC to run 4 or
> 5   Virtual machines concurrently on VirtualBox or VMWare ESX server ?
>
>
> Intel® Xeon® Processor X3460 [ http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=42931]
> or
> Intel® Core™ i7-870S [ http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=48498 ]
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 6 Officially Released

[Tom Bishop]

Yah...can't wait

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:02 PM, John Kennedy  wrote:

> When will CentOS 6 be released???
>
> (Just kidding...Just wanted to let you all know that RHEL6 has been
> released...And yes, I know that most of you all know...)
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 6 Officially Released

[Tom Bishop]

Thanks Karanbir , I actually want to pony up and start helping so I am
looking forward to hearing more about that and how I can help...Sounds Great

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> hi Guys,
>
> On 11/10/2010 07:52 PM, Scott Silva wrote:
> > Last time there was only one build queue, so if 5.6 and 6 come out at the
> same
> > time, they will have to choose which one gets attention first. CentOS
> doesn't
> > have the multi-million dollar infrastructure to support multiple
> simultaneous
> > releases.
>
> Just a quick note here - the centos buildsystem, as used for centos4 and
> 5 has 8 builder 'threads'. So there is a fairly good potential for rapid
> builds.
>
> Having said that, were not going to use those for centos6, we have a 6
> node dedicated builder service that will get used for this.
>
> Over the next few days I'll post details on how you guys can keep track
> of whats going on. I'll also post some details on how everyone can get
> involved and help.
>
> Exciting times for sure :)
>
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