Re: [CentOS] clustering
- Original Message - | Hey folks, | | I just went through the archives trying to find some info on this but | did not come up with much other than it seems there are a few experts | here on the list. | | I have no experience with clustering and have just taken over a Stem | Cell Research Lab that has a Grid Engine cluster. I have not yet dug | into the details of Grid Engine (only been here a week now) but am | just trying to get up to speed on clustering in general. | | I was just looking at Red Hat's site and they have this HPC thing | http://www.redhat.com/promo/mrg/ but damned if I can find any actual | details on it there - that data sheet they link to is just a bunch of | marketing gobble-de-gook as far as I can make sense of it anyway. | | Quick question : what are Red Hat using to do that, and can CentOS do | the same thing? How hard is it to configure? How does it compare to | Grid Engine? | | I have to say I'm a bit hesitant about Grid Engine because of the | whole Oracle takeover. I just don't trust Oracle. | | Basically I'd like to get up to speed really quickly on different | clustering technologies, and maybe even set up a CentOS (or | Scientific) based cluster in a sandbox to play with. | | I guess - looking for reading to get up to speed on clustering, and | wondering what my options are with CentOS, RHEL and Scientific. | | thanks, | -Alan I'm not sure what is going to be happening with SGE, but we use Torque and Maui for our deparmental HPC clusters and Torque and MOAB for our Western Canada HPC environment (Westgrid). There are a *lot* of aspects to HPC clusters that you need to be familiar with. The resource managers and schedulers are the least of your problems. The software toolchain and optimization are *the most important*. Understanding how to optimize for the processors, troubleshooting inefficient code, etc. That's where you should focus. FWIW: MRG is based around Condor. Aeolus the new cloud product (OpenForms) is also based around Condor. -- James A. Peltier IT Services - Research Computing Group Simon Fraser University - Burnaby Campus Phone : 778-782-6573 Fax : 778-782-3045 E-Mail : jpelt...@sfu.ca Website : http://www.sfu.ca/itservices http://blogs.sfu.ca/people/jpeltier I will do the best I can with the talent I have ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC What happened to 6.1
One exception is those machines behind a firewall that does not allow downloads. The only upgrade path then is to download on another machine and burn DVDs. CR repos are not helpful in such a case! Martin Rushton HPC System Manager, Weapons Technologies Tel: 01959 514777, Mobile: 07939 219057 email: jmrush...@qinetiq.com www.QinetiQ.com QinetiQ - Delivering customer-focused solutions Please consider the environment before printing this email. -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nataraj Sent: 15 November 2011 23:22 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1 This keeps the distributed ISO's compatible with the upstream. Installing the CentOS 6.0 ISO is equivalent to installing the upstream's 6.0 ISO. I once had to deal with a commercial software package that required that it be installed on Redhat 4.2 or something like that. If you installed updates, the software didn't work. The current build problems are hopefully a temporary situation and if they are resolved CentOS users will have the option of the rolling updates or waiting for the update release. For "most" users, installing updates from the CR repo is the best choice, but there could be exceptions. Nataraj ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. QinetiQ may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security. QinetiQ Limited (Registered in England & Wales: Company Number: 3796233) Registered office: Cody Technology Park, Ively Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 0LX http://www.qinetiq.com. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC What happened to 6.1
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Rushton Martin wrote: > One exception is those machines behind a firewall that does not allow > downloads. The only upgrade path then is to download on another machine > and burn DVDs. CR repos are not helpful in such a case! I really don't get your point. How is that worse than an update repo, or even a full 6.1 release. In both cases you're forced to get it past your firewall by some method, even if that is sneakernet. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] clustering
Le 16/11/2011 04:09, Tony Schreiner a écrit : > I recommend you check out ROCKS > > http://www.rocksclusters.org > > CentOS based clustering with lots of built in goodness. Hi, I also recommend Rocks Cluster, that I used on my site. Recently, they switch to OGS, Open Grid Schduler, the open source version of SGE (there is another one too, SoGE, Son of Grid Engine), that does not depend on Oracle. In fact, SGE was relaesed by SUN under an open source license, SISSL, so open sources derivatives are allowed. For information, most SGE developpers from Oracle were hired by Univa, a company which claimed at first they would develop SGE as open source, but are now closing it... Alain -- == Alain Péan - LPP/CNRS Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Physique des Plasmas - UMR 7648 Observatoire de Saint-Maur 4, av de Neptune, Bat. A 94100 Saint-Maur des Fossés Tel : 01-45-11-42-39 - Fax : 01-48-89-44-33 == ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Vreme: 11/16/2011 07:55 AM, Christopher Chan piše: > On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:30 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >> Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:14 PM, Rob Kampen piše: >> >>> run a virtualbox with windoze XP for a realtor app that only works on IE >>> (yeah, go figure, we are in 2011 and they force everyone to use IE) >>> >> Install PlayOnLinux (Wine installer) and install IE6 inside it. Maybe >> your App will work without virtual Win. >> >> > > Yeehaa! That's it, recommend the worst IE browser available. He uses it only for one App. So maybe there is no security risk. But actually I miss-read it like he needs to use IE6. And no other IE version is reported to work in Wine. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Yves Bellefeuille wrote: >> What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the >> internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. > > Not over 50%, but 5,5%, according to this source: > http://www.netmarketshare.com/ I may have exaggerated the figure, but I don't believe it is as low as that. Smart phones have been outselling PCs for some time. So even if the figure is less than 50%, it will soon be up there. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Christopher Chan wrote: >> I find it very hard to believe that 90% of Chinese are using desktops. >> What about all those girls tweeting on the bus to school? >> There must be billions of them. >> >> > Farmers/peasants have phones? > > All those girls tweeting? > > Aren't you confusing Japan with China? I wasn't in fact referring to China when I mentioned girls tweeting. I should have left a blank line. I was referring to the girls I see here (Dublin) on the bus/train. However, iPhone sales in China increased by 250% last year. I think your image of China is rather out-of-date. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC UC What happened to 6.1
Only that with fixed point releases you set aside a day or so to download, burn, transport and load. You wouldn't want to be doing that daily on the off chance that something relevant has been added. Horses for courses, the problem won't affect most people as Nataraj said. Martin Rushton HPC System Manager, Weapons Technologies Tel: 01959 514777, Mobile: 07939 219057 email: jmrush...@qinetiq.com www.QinetiQ.com QinetiQ - Delivering customer-focused solutions Please consider the environment before printing this email. -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John Hodrien Sent: 16 November 2011 10:30 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] UC What happened to 6.1 On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Rushton Martin wrote: > One exception is those machines behind a firewall that does not allow > downloads. The only upgrade path then is to download on another > machine and burn DVDs. CR repos are not helpful in such a case! I really don't get your point. How is that worse than an update repo, or even a full 6.1 release. In both cases you're forced to get it past your firewall by some method, even if that is sneakernet. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. QinetiQ may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security. QinetiQ Limited (Registered in England & Wales: Company Number: 3796233) Registered office: Cody Technology Park, Ively Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 0LX http://www.qinetiq.com. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:44:26AM +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I think your image of China is rather out-of-date. I have a novel suggestion. As this has absolutely NOTHING to do with CentOS (like usual) how about taking it to private e-mail? John -- If you always do what interests you, at least one person is pleased. -- Katharine Hepburn (1907-2003), American actress, writer pgpY2jdNaMypa.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC UC What happened to 6.1
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Rushton Martin wrote: > Only that with fixed point releases you set aside a day or so to > download, burn, transport and load. You wouldn't want to be doing that > daily on the off chance that something relevant has been added. Horses > for courses, the problem won't affect most people as Nataraj said. So set aside a day and apply all of cr. If you're only going to update once every 6 months it really doesn't matter whether you're applying from an updates repo, or from something that's only released once every 6 months. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Vreme: 11/16/2011 12:36 PM, Timothy Murphy piše: > Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > >>> What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the >>> internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. >> >> Not over 50%, but 5,5%, according to this source: >> http://www.netmarketshare.com/ > > > I may have exaggerated the figure, > but I don't believe it is as low as that. > Smart phones have been outselling PCs for some time. > > So even if the figure is less than 50%, > it will soon be up there. > > If no smartphones gets broken and/or replaced, they could reach number of PC users (50%) in one year. Realistically it will take them 2-3 years to reach those numbers. BUT, I have 2 phones (one of them is Android), 1 desktop PC and 1 laptop. And 95-97% of internet usage I perform on Desktop PC. Even when I am in/on the field I use laptop and use Android just as Wireless AP (for 3G access). Not to mention GPRS/3G price for surfing. Most people here avoid mobile internet and vast majority has wired internet access. SO, no luck for your estimate of 50% internet access share in next 5-10 years, by logical estimate. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 07:44 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Christopher Chan wrote: > >>> I find it very hard to believe that 90% of Chinese are using desktops. >>> What about all those girls tweeting on the bus to school? >>> There must be billions of them. >>> >>> >> Farmers/peasants have phones? >> >> All those girls tweeting? >> >> Aren't you confusing Japan with China? > > I wasn't in fact referring to China when I mentioned girls tweeting. > I should have left a blank line. > I was referring to the girls I see here (Dublin) on the bus/train. > > However, iPhone sales in China increased by 250% last year. > I think your image of China is rather out-of-date. > Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of migrant factory workers trying to move from farmer/peasant status to something else. Maybe a few more protests at Foxconn and other factories might help. Yeah...right. The Chinese way of governing has not changed - it's just another set of people with a different label. Palace intrigues replaced by Communist Party intrigues. Same old corruption at all levels of government. Same old keep the poor poor for fleecing while the powers that be live a life of extravagance. Not that that is unique to China. So you got a few more tens of millionaires - what's that compared to a billion? You don't have 90% of Chinese using phones and certainly not for email. Maybe a bit of sms. In any case, for the few (percentage wise) that use computers and the tiny portion that use Linux even...it's probably Red Flag Linux and not Centos... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
> Agreed! The cramped screen space (I run dual vid cards in sli with 4 > monitors with development apps spread all over them!), sluggish response > (open what I have running on my work station and any laptop goes into > crawl mode), heat (if you really run it in your lap as the name infers) > and that just touches on the very start of my list. Yes, I have few > laptops and use them when I 'need' to and one often times goes with me > when I leave my office (but my phone is rapidly replacing that need > unless I'm going for days)... but why on earth would I consider using > only a laptop? Well, if I was always mobile, but I'm not. Maybe if I > didn't need to run any development systems... Eclipse on a laptop > certainly works, but is sluggish vs. a workstation. Open Dreamweaver, > Photoshop, Eclipse, three web browsers a secure shell or few, email, IM, > and then need to open a Word attachment and most laptops chug to worst > than a crawl. And the funny thing, from my perspective at least, is that I'm sitting beside a laptop that routinely has several VMware VM's running (XP & Server 2008r2), several line of business applications open, and has dreamweaver *and* gimp running in the background. :) All this on a two year old i3 w/ 6GB RAM. Set me back around $900. Larger screen? VGA or HDMI outputs. ;-) Nothing quite beats working on a 55" HDTV in your living room, especially when I have time for STO. -- Drew "Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood." --Marie Curie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Drew wrote: >> Agreed! The cramped screen space (I run dual vid cards in sli with 4 >> monitors with development apps spread all over them!), sluggish response >> (open what I have running on my work station and any laptop goes into > And the funny thing, from my perspective at least, is that I'm sitting > beside a laptop that routinely has several VMware VM's running (XP & > Server 2008r2), several line of business applications open, and has > dreamweaver *and* gimp running in the background. :) All this on a two > year old i3 w/ 6GB RAM. Set me back around $900. > > Larger screen? VGA or HDMI outputs. ;-) Nothing quite beats working on > a 55" HDTV in your living room, especially when I have time for STO. Well, yes, I can think of a hell of a lot of things that *beat* ->working<- at home in your living room, which suggests that you're doing well over 40 hours/week. Been there, done that, actually have a t-shirt. Do it again for an employer, regularly? Not a fucking chance. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 08:54:31AM -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > > Well, yes, I can think of a hell of a lot of things that *beat* > ->working<- at home in your living room, which suggests that you're doing > well over 40 hours/week. Been there, done that, actually have a t-shirt. > Do it again for an employer, regularly? Not a fucking chance. So not only does the overall SNR leave, well, everything to be desired but not we are tolerating this type of language? Good job - you've made an already useless list that much worse. You rule. -- Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give offense. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned about solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html pgpjGo3FSob4S.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] was, Re: Changes at Red Hat confou>n
John R. Dennison wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 08:54:31AM -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> >> Well, yes, I can think of a hell of a lot of things that *beat* >> ->working<- at home in your living room, which suggests that you're >> doing well over 40 hours/week. Been there, done that, actually have >> a t-shirt. Do it again for an employer, regularly? Not a fucking chance. > > So not only does the overall SNR leave, well, everything to be desired > but not we are tolerating this type of language? Good job - you've > made an already useless list that much worse. You rule. > Let me note that this will be the second time I've changed the subject line to OT; this really does have nothing to do with CentOS, but rather, to parody Prairie Home Companion, Lives of the Sysadmins. I find your comment? .sigfile? below interesting, esp. in the context of what you wrote to me, above. I also note that you're upset by worty dirds, but ignore the entire content of the note, which I guess means we should assume that you do take massive amounts of work home, and work at it in the face of home, family, or a life. I'm willing to end this thread with no more comments, if the rest of you will. > -- > Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give > offense. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit > communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned > about > solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy. > > http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html mark "also corrected the spelling in the subject" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How can rpm "%{SUMMARY}" not be consistent?
> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Phoenix, Merka
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 18:48
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] How can rpm "%{SUMMARY}" not be consistent?
>
> -Original Message-
> > Denniston, Todd A CIV NAVSURFWARCENDIV Crane wrote:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011 12:57
> > To: CentOS@centos.org
> > Subject: [CentOS] How can rpm "%{SUMMARY}" not be consistent?
> >
> > rpm -qa \
> > --qf
> > '"%{VENDOR}","%{NAME}","%{VERSION}","%{VERSION}-
> %{RELEASE}","%{ARCH}","%{SUMMARY}"\n' \
> > | sort -t\" -k3 > ${OUTFILE}
> >
> > Stuff the resulting ${OUTFILE} in an rcs file.
> >
> > And some days the rcs file will show deltas such as the following
> (which
> > was pulled from a rather recent set of flipflops):
> >
> > --- mach.csv2011/11/15 10:50:04
> > +++ mach.csv2011/11/15 09:22:53
> >
> > -"CentOS","bash","3.2","3.2-32.el5","i386","The GNU Bourne Again
> shell
> > (bash) version 3.1."
> > +"CentOS","bash","3.2","3.2-32.el5","i386","The GNU Bourne Again
> shell
> > (bash) version 3.2"
>
>
> Using the double quote (") as a delimiter, the third key would be a
> comma (,) (see below for an example)
>
> "A","B","C","D","E",...
> 1"2"3"4"5"6"7"8"9"A"B...
>
> And since your sort command is sorting only on the fifth key, all the
> commas are already in order (unless there is a blank line in there
> somewhere). The order of the re cords within a sorted group may or may
> not be guaranteed to change.
>
> Change your sort order from '-k3' to '-k2 -k4 -k6 -k8 -k10 -k12' to
> sort by Vendor, Name, Version, Version-Release, Arch, Summary and see
> if that helps.
Although you may be correct on the need to sort the NAME field using -k4
instead of -k3 ***, the question was not about the sort order, but about
the *content* of the SUMMARY fields being different between multiple
runs against the same database information for the same package, i.e.
notice the difference in the summary fields for the same bash package
above.
*** and this seems to explain a different but MUCH less annoying
confusion.
Thanks for that bit of help.
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Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 05:39:28AM -0800, Drew wrote: > > Agreed! The cramped screen space (I run dual vid cards in sli with 4 > > monitors with development apps spread all over them!), sluggish response > > (open what I have running on my work station and any laptop goes into > > crawl mode), heat (if you really run it in your lap as the name infers) > > and that just touches on the very start of my list. Yes, I have few > > laptops and use them when I 'need' to and one often times goes with me > > when I leave my office (but my phone is rapidly replacing that need > > unless I'm going for days)... but why on earth would I consider using > > only a laptop? Well, if I was always mobile, but I'm not. Maybe if I > > didn't need to run any development systems... Eclipse on a laptop > > certainly works, but is sluggish vs. a workstation. Open Dreamweaver, > > Photoshop, Eclipse, three web browsers a secure shell or few, email, IM, > > and then need to open a Word attachment and most laptops chug to worst > > than a crawl. > > And the funny thing, from my perspective at least, is that I'm sitting > beside a laptop that routinely has several VMware VM's running (XP & > Server 2008r2), several line of business applications open, and has > dreamweaver *and* gimp running in the background. :) All this on a two > year old i3 w/ 6GB RAM. Set me back around $900. > > Larger screen? VGA or HDMI outputs. ;-) Nothing quite beats working on > a 55" HDTV in your living room, especially when I have time for STO. Very similar experience here, too. I think all boils down to energy and if the marginal increase in productivity on desktop HW is worth it. Desktop components are optimized for performance with a lot less regards for power than those for mobile devices. Besides, the OS attempts and can be further tuned to use better the HW energy wise when installed on a mobile device -- and here we get just a bit closer to the topic of this list. :-) Try to gauge how much of the time (wall clock time) you use the CPU cores close to their full power during a typical day. There are several tools that may help. That will give the percentage of your working time when the higher performance of the desktop HW *may* get you a boost in productivity. Also, power the system though an energy meter and read it after 24h. I bet that unless your usage is kind of specific, such as simulations, video rendering, or batches of algorithm-heavy image processing, the time you really use such HW close to full capacity is really small. However, the power drain, even when idle, is a lot higher compared to even a high end laptop's. Besides, it's common practice to suspend the laptop session during night time. How many consider doing that with a desktop? To me it's much like hopping my 75kg in a 2 tonnes car to get some groceries. Moving around 2t for 75kg may be like 20 times more energy intensive than using a scooter. Mihai ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] lm_sensors on Sun (x86) Hardware
Hey folks, I'm running RHEL 5.3 on 6 boxes - and on every one of them sensors-detect finds nothing. 5 of them are Sun fire 2250 machines, and 1 is Sunfire 4170. Googling and searching this list does not seem to find anything. When I log into the Sun hardware management interface (web interface) I see that it of course is correctly detecting various temperatures of things. But for some reason Linux is not. Does anyone here have experience in this area and can tell me how to fix this? thanks, -Alan -- “Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV” - Michael Pollan, author of "In Defense of Food" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How can rpm "%{SUMMARY}" not be consistent?
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Denniston, Todd A CIV
NAVSURFWARCENDIV Crane wrote:
> I have been seeing something for quite some time which has confused me
> considerably for over a year, perhaps one of you can help me understand.
>
> Assumed: rpm queries are against _a_ database.
> Assumed: database queries against the same database, without changes to
> the data in the database, will return the same data.
>
> Confusion: then why are some of the summaries reported by rpm different?
>
> Each day I (cron.daily) run the following command
> rpm -qa \
> --qf
> '"%{VENDOR}","%{NAME}","%{VERSION}","%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE}","%{ARCH}","%
> {SUMMARY}"\n' \
> | sort -t\" -k3 > ${OUTFILE}
>
> Stuff the resulting ${OUTFILE} in an rcs file.
>
> And some days the rcs file will show deltas such as the following (which
> was pulled from a rather recent set of flipflops):
>
> --- mach.csv 2011/11/15 10:50:04
> +++ mach.csv 2011/11/15 09:22:53
>
> -"CentOS","bash","3.2","3.2-32.el5","i386","The GNU Bourne Again shell
> (bash) version 3.1."
> +"CentOS","bash","3.2","3.2-32.el5","i386","The GNU Bourne Again shell
> (bash) version 3.2"
What you are seeing is indeed odd. I see 'version 3.1' but not '3.2'
anywhere on the Summary line of bash. What is your kernel by the way?
uname -mr ?
Have you cleared yum cache? Not just running a 'yum clean all' but
emptying the /var/cache/yum directory ?
Akemi
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Re: [CentOS] lm_sensors on Sun (x86) Hardware
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Alan McKay wrote: > Hey folks, > > I'm running RHEL 5.3 on 6 boxes - and on every one of them > sensors-detect finds nothing. > > 5 of them are Sun fire 2250 machines, and 1 is Sunfire 4170. > > Googling and searching this list does not seem to find anything. > > When I log into the Sun hardware management interface (web interface) > I see that it of course is correctly detecting various temperatures of > things. But for some reason Linux is not. > > Does anyone here have experience in this area and can tell me how to > fix this? Definitely running an out of date OS won't help. Updating the kernel to current fixed a similar problem I'd had with no usable sensors being detected. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How can rpm "%{SUMMARY}" not be consistent?
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Akemi Yagi wrote: > What you are seeing is indeed odd. I see 'version 3.1' but not '3.2' > anywhere on the Summary line of bash. What is your kernel by the way? > uname -mr ? > > Have you cleared yum cache? Not just running a 'yum clean all' but > emptying the /var/cache/yum directory ? Why would yum cache have any bearing on what rpm reported? jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] lm_sensors on Sun (x86) Hardware
> Definitely running an out of date OS won't help. Updating the kernel to > current fixed a similar problem I'd had with no usable sensors being detected. Yeah, I'd really like to do that - but I've only been here a week now and don't understand these systems well enough yet to know whether or not that will break anything. Though I can probably upgrade 1 of them and let it soak for a few weeks to see what happens. -- “Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV” - Michael Pollan, author of "In Defense of Food" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On 11/16/2011 6:36 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > >>> What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the >>> internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. >> Not over 50%, but 5,5%, according to this source: >> http://www.netmarketshare.com/ > > I may have exaggerated the figure, > but I don't believe it is as low as that. > Smart phones have been outselling PCs for some time. > > So even if the figure is less than 50%, > it will soon be up there. > > You are arguing two entirely different points. One 'Access' the other 'Market Share'. Likely both are very nearly right percentages. You buy a phone first to 'have a phone'. The rest are upgrades and useful features, but just because you buy a smart phone doesn't mean that is now your single method for 'accessing the net'. John Hinton -- John Hinton 877-777-1407 ext 502 http://www.ew3d.com Comprehensive Online Solutions ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On 16 November 2011 14:02, John R. Dennison wrote: > So not only does the overall SNR leave, well, everything to be desired > but not we are tolerating this type of language? Good job - you've > made an already useless list that much worse. You rule. As much as I detest people who do this +1. Ben ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] lm_sensors on Sun (x86) Hardware
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Alan McKay wrote: Definitely running an out of date OS won't help. Updating the kernel to current fixed a similar problem I'd had with no usable sensors being detected. Yeah, I'd really like to do that - but I've only been here a week now and don't understand these systems well enough yet to know whether or not that will break anything. Though I can probably upgrade 1 of them and let it soak for a few weeks to see what happens. Yep. Do one (upgrading kernel and lm_sensors to current), and you might find it still can't see any sensors anyway... jh___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Greetings, On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Benjamin Donnachie wrote: > On 16 November 2011 14:02, John R. Dennison wrote: > >> So not only does the overall SNR leave, well, everything to be desired >> but not we are tolerating this type of language? Good job - you've >> made an already useless list that much worse. You rule. > > > As much as I detest people who do this +1. > hmm... "Strom over a teacup" Centos has much larger installed base than "upstream provider". And the _always_ stressed out sysadmins find a vent or two in this list. No Problem with me. This is mostly an "Adult Only" list, I presume (as minors cannot become Linux admins that fast -- What the heck even M$*E's cant get it) of course. So a word should not derail any conversation. Above IMHO, of course. -- Regards, Rajagopal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] lm_sensors on Sun (x86) Hardware
On 11/16/11 6:37 AM, Alan McKay wrote: > When I log into the Sun hardware management interface (web interface) > I see that it of course is correctly detecting various temperatures of > things. But for some reason Linux is not. you may need to use ipmitools rather than lm_sensors. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Difference in gnome between centos <> fedora
Hello, I've on my home PC CentOS 6 and Fedora 13 on different disks. When I log on the gnome enviroment at Fedora knows exactly which programm was started at which desktop (for example: thunderbird on desktop 1, firefox on desktop 2, nautilus on desktop 3, ..). The same procedure on Centos takes all programs on the first desktop, so I must arrange the programs on the right desktop. Question: why kows the gnome of Fedora al the postions and the gnome from CentOS doesn't? Is there a way to automaticly arrange the programs ? Gruß Andreas Reschke Unix/Linux-Administration andreas.resc...@behrgroup.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC UC What happened to 6.1
On 11/16/2011 05:59 AM, John Hodrien wrote: > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Rushton Martin wrote: > >> Only that with fixed point releases you set aside a day or so to >> download, burn, transport and load. You wouldn't want to be doing that >> daily on the off chance that something relevant has been added. Horses >> for courses, the problem won't affect most people as Nataraj said. > > So set aside a day and apply all of cr. If you're only going to update once > every 6 months it really doesn't matter whether you're applying from an > updates repo, or from something that's only released once every 6 months. The point I think john is trying to make is that you can also just put the updates and CR repos on a DVD (it might not fit) or usb hard drive / key (better idea as this can hold several GB). Then you can put that on the network and update from there. It is not any harder than taking a DVD from place to place ... and is actually safer as a DVD upgrade uses Anaconda to calculate the updates and the REPOs use yum ... and yum does updates much better than anaconda if you are staying in a major branch ... ie, the 6.x branch. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Difference in gnome between centos <> fedora
Vreme: 11/16/2011 04:24 PM, Andreas Reschke piše:
> Hello,
> I've on my home PC CentOS 6 and Fedora 13 on different disks. When I log
> on the gnome enviroment at Fedora knows exactly which programm was started
> at which desktop (for example: thunderbird on desktop 1, firefox on
> desktop 2, nautilus on desktop 3, ..). The same procedure on Centos takes
> all programs on the first desktop, so I must arrange the programs on the
> right desktop.
>
> Question: why kows the gnome of Fedora al the postions and the gnome from
> CentOS doesn't? Is there a way to automaticly arrange the programs ?
>
I have created my own customized script for moving certain apps into
certain Workspaces (I use 6 of them), delayed for 60 seconds. Use only
part of the Title Name so you avoid having empty space in the
$Application variable.
Here is my script:
ProcessWindows(){
echo "Application= $Application"
#Process=$(pgrep -f "$Application")
#echo "Process= $Process"
#WindowID=`wmctrl -l -p | grep "$Application" | cut -f 1 -d " "`
#WindowID=${WindowID#0x}
#echo "WindowID= "$WindowID
case "$Application" in
"Pinger") wmctrl -r "$Application" -t 5;;
"drlove@kancelarija") wmctrl -r "$Application" -t 2;;
"Krusader") wmctrl -r "$Application" -t 1;;
"Buddy") wmctrl -r "$Application" -t 4;;
"Virtual") wmctrl -r "$Application" -t 4;;
"Music") wmctrl -r "$Application" -t 4;;
"Firefox") wmctrl -r "$Application" -t 0;;
"Skype") wmctrl -r "$Application" -t 4;;
esac
# done
}
sleep 60
Application="Pinger"; ProcessWindows
Application="drlove@kancelarija"; ProcessWindows
Application="Krusader"; ProcessWindows
Application="Buddy"; ProcessWindows
Application="Virtual"; ProcessWindows
Application="Music"; ProcessWindows
Application="Firefox"; ProcessWindows
Application="Skype"; ProcessWindows
--
Ljubomir Ljubojevic
(Love is in the Air)
PL Computers
Serbia, Europe
Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your
trusty Spiderman...
StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant
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Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Vreme: 11/16/2011 04:18 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan piše: > Centos has much larger installed base than "upstream provider". Internet facing systems (market share of web servers) and Install base are not the same thing. MANY RHEL installations never ever see "the light of day", so Not true. Also, if you would compare "CPU Core" numbers -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC UC What happened to 6.1
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > > The point I think john is trying to make is that you can also just put > the updates and CR repos on a DVD (it might not fit) or usb hard drive / > key (better idea as this can hold several GB). > > Then you can put that on the network and update from there. Is there a scripted approach to this that will always get a consistent snapshot copy even if you run it while updates are being added in the repositories? Waiting for a new DVD spin avoids that issue. If the networks don't have to be absolutely isolated, you might also fire up a squid proxy on a box with internet access and point yum to it, or perhaps use ssh port-forwarding to reach a network with an internet proxy. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] lm_sensors on Sun (x86) Hardware
On 16/11/11 14:37, Alan McKay wrote: > Hey folks, > > I'm running RHEL 5.3 on 6 boxes - and on every one of them > sensors-detect finds nothing. > What did Red Hat say? > 5 of them are Sun fire 2250 machines, and 1 is Sunfire 4170. > > Googling and searching this list does not seem to find anything. > > When I log into the Sun hardware management interface (web interface) > I see that it of course is correctly detecting various temperatures of > things. But for some reason Linux is not. > > Does anyone here have experience in this area and can tell me how to > fix this? > > thanks, > -Alan > First try updating to the latest release to get the latest kernel / lm_sensors packages. Red Hat did a major overhaul of the hwmon branch in the RHEL-5.5 release, backporting many updated drivers from the upstream kernel ~2.6.26 (dating from somewhere around Aug 2008), but obviously even this updated driver branch is now over 3 years old. What hardware sensors do your servers have? Elrepo.org has some updated kernel drivers for commonly used hardware sensors backported from newer upstream kernels (e.g, 2.6.39, 3.x), but some are reliant on the latest distro kernel (built against a later distro kernel) due to kernel ABI changes, so you'd still need to ideally be running an updated installation. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How can rpm "%{SUMMARY}" not be consistent?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:56 AM, John Hodrien wrote: > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Akemi Yagi wrote: > >> What you are seeing is indeed odd. I see 'version 3.1' but not '3.2' >> anywhere on the Summary line of bash. What is your kernel by the way? >> uname -mr ? >> >> Have you cleared yum cache? Not just running a 'yum clean all' but >> emptying the /var/cache/yum directory ? > > Why would yum cache have any bearing on what rpm reported? In my attempts to reproduce what you are seeing, I used 'yum info' a few times for the packages that were not on my systems. But in your case (pure rpm operations) yum cache will not be relevant. By the way I looked at both CentOS 5 and 6 but did not see any inconsistency. And the reason why I asked about the kernel version was because it was not clear which version/release of CentOS you are running. Sorry for the noise. I will shut up now. Akemi ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC UC What happened to 6.1
Vreme: 11/16/2011 05:13 PM, Les Mikesell piše: > Is there a scripted approach to this that will always get a consistent > snapshot copy even if you run it while updates are being added in the > repositories? Waiting for a new DVD spin avoids that issue. Rsync/mrepo can keep downloaded packages current. Mine runs once a day. So during the day I can (and will in a day or two) always burn/copy current snapshot. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On 16 Nov 2011, at 15:19, Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: > hmm... "Strom over a teacup" My reply concerned the huge amount of drivel being posted to this list. The topic is supposedly CentOS - not "stressed sysadmins sounding off". Simples really. Ben Sent from my iPhone ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC UC What happened to 6.1
On 11/16/2011 10:13 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> >> The point I think john is trying to make is that you can also just put >> the updates and CR repos on a DVD (it might not fit) or usb hard drive / >> key (better idea as this can hold several GB). >> >> Then you can put that on the network and update from there. > > Is there a scripted approach to this that will always get a consistent > snapshot copy even if you run it while updates are being added in the > repositories? Waiting for a new DVD spin avoids that issue. > > If the networks don't have to be absolutely isolated, you might also > fire up a squid proxy on a box with internet access and point yum to > it, or perhaps use ssh port-forwarding to reach a network with an > internet proxy. > When we update the mirrors on mirror.centos.org ... we put the packages on first, then the metadata. This approach means that during our rsyncs, we always have consistent installs ... except that the packages could be newer until a given sync finishes (but you should be able to install from the repo at all times). But the vast majority of the time, everything is up2date. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC UC What happened to 6.1
On 11/16/11 9:15 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > When we update the mirrors on mirror.centos.org ... we put the packages > on first, then the metadata. if I'm updating my own mirrors with lftp, what files should I postpone til last ? -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/16/2011 07:55 AM, Christopher Chan piše: On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:30 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:14 PM, Rob Kampen piše: run a virtualbox with windoze XP for a realtor app that only works on IE (yeah, go figure, we are in 2011 and they force everyone to use IE) Install PlayOnLinux (Wine installer) and install IE6 inside it. Maybe your App will work without virtual Win. Yeehaa! That's it, recommend the worst IE browser available. He uses it only for one App. So maybe there is no security risk. But actually I miss-read it like he needs to use IE6. Currently I use IE7 on a virtualbox instance running windozeXP - I used too use IE6 but the experience is not good, thus moved to IE7. The issue is the MLS system in our region will only work on IE6 or greater. The other app I use in windoze is quickbooks (most inappropriate name as it has never been quick) It too only used to run on windoze, although apparently there is now a mac version. All other apps for my business run on Linux. I started with RH9 in 2004, moved to FC3 when we had a disk crash take down the server, then discovered CentOS and never looked back - thanks team, I do so appreciate the reliability and solid performance. And no other IE version is reported to work in Wine. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC UC What happened to 6.1
On 11/16/2011 11:19 AM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 11/16/11 9:15 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> When we update the mirrors on mirror.centos.org ... we put the packages >> on first, then the metadata. > > if I'm updating my own mirrors with lftp, what files should I postpone > til last ? > > > I would grab the repodata stuff separately and last ... that way, the metadata always is consistent (tough maybe older) during the udpates. But it should only impact you if you actually run an update while you are also syncing your mirror. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC UC What happened to 6.1
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > >>> The point I think john is trying to make is that you can also just put >>> the updates and CR repos on a DVD (it might not fit) or usb hard drive / >>> key (better idea as this can hold several GB). >>> >>> Then you can put that on the network and update from there. >> >> Is there a scripted approach to this that will always get a consistent >> snapshot copy even if you run it while updates are being added in the >> repositories? Waiting for a new DVD spin avoids that issue. >> >> If the networks don't have to be absolutely isolated, you might also >> fire up a squid proxy on a box with internet access and point yum to >> it, or perhaps use ssh port-forwarding to reach a network with an >> internet proxy. >> > When we update the mirrors on mirror.centos.org ... we put the packages > on first, then the metadata. > > This approach means that during our rsyncs, we always have consistent > installs ... except that the packages could be newer until a given sync > finishes (but you should be able to install from the repo at all times). That timing must not always be propagated to other mirrors - at least I've hit missing dependencies in yum updates that fix themselves in a day or so. That would be more annoying in a situation where you had to make new copies and transport them somewhere. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC UC What happened to 6.1
On 11/16/2011 11:40 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> >> The point I think john is trying to make is that you can also just put the updates and CR repos on a DVD (it might not fit) or usb hard drive / key (better idea as this can hold several GB). Then you can put that on the network and update from there. >>> >>> Is there a scripted approach to this that will always get a consistent >>> snapshot copy even if you run it while updates are being added in the >>> repositories? Waiting for a new DVD spin avoids that issue. >>> >>> If the networks don't have to be absolutely isolated, you might also >>> fire up a squid proxy on a box with internet access and point yum to >>> it, or perhaps use ssh port-forwarding to reach a network with an >>> internet proxy. >>> >> When we update the mirrors on mirror.centos.org ... we put the packages >> on first, then the metadata. >> >> This approach means that during our rsyncs, we always have consistent >> installs ... except that the packages could be newer until a given sync >> finishes (but you should be able to install from the repo at all times). > > That timing must not always be propagated to other mirrors - at least > I've hit missing dependencies in yum updates that fix themselves in a > day or so. That would be more annoying in a situation where you had > to make new copies and transport them somewhere. > Right ... we don't control how external mirrors sync from mirror.centos.org. We also usually have our mirrors synced fairly fast (we have a speed chart (map) that we use to get all the mirrors synced as fast as we can based on connect speed to one another) ... but it can take a while to get that synced to public mirrors .. since there are hundreds of them. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
At Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:20:55 -0500 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > > ---Executing: recode > Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > > Vreme: 11/16/2011 07:55 AM, Christopher Chan pise: > > > >> On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:30 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > >> > >>> Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:14 PM, Rob Kampen pise: > >>> > >>> > run a virtualbox with windoze XP for a realtor app that only works on IE > (yeah, go figure, we are in 2011 and they force everyone to use IE) > > > >>> Install PlayOnLinux (Wine installer) and install IE6 inside it. Maybe > >>> your App will work without virtual Win. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Yeehaa! That's it, recommend the worst IE browser available. > >> > > > > He uses it only for one App. So maybe there is no security risk. > > > > But actually I miss-read it like he needs to use IE6. > > > Currently I use IE7 on a virtualbox instance running windozeXP - I used > too use IE6 but the experience is not good, thus moved to IE7. > The issue is the MLS system in our region will only work on IE6 or > greater. The other app I use in windoze is quickbooks (most > inappropriate name as it has never been quick) Have you ever looked at GnuCash? (Available in the EPel repo for CentOS.) > It too only used to run on windoze, although apparently there is now a > mac version. All other apps for my business run on Linux. > I started with RH9 in 2004, moved to FC3 when we had a disk crash take > down the server, then discovered CentOS and never looked back - thanks > team, I do so appreciate the reliability and solid performance. > > And no other IE version is reported to work in Wine. > > > > > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 / hel...@deepsoft.com Deepwoods Software-- http://www.deepsoft.com/ () ascii ribbon campaign -- against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- against proprietary attachments ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC What happened to 6.1
On 11/16/2011 02:21 AM, Rushton Martin wrote: > One exception is those machines behind a firewall that does not allow > downloads. The only upgrade path then is to download on another machine > and burn DVDs. CR repos are not helpful in such a case! Unfortunately, I don't know of any distros that cater to anyone with that level of security requirement anymore (or even someone who just didn't have an Internet connection). There used to be distros where you could receive updates monthly on a CDROM. Nowaday's all distros that I'm aware of require internet access. I believe Apple has stopped offering CD's or USB sticks of their OS and instead offer a BIOS that knows how to install over the Internet. Nataraj > > Martin Rushton > HPC System Manager, Weapons Technologies > Tel: 01959 514777, Mobile: 07939 219057 > email: jmrush...@qinetiq.com > www.QinetiQ.com > QinetiQ - Delivering customer-focused solutions > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of Nataraj > Sent: 15 November 2011 23:22 > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1 > > > > This keeps the distributed ISO's compatible with the upstream. > Installing the CentOS 6.0 ISO is equivalent to installing the upstream's > 6.0 ISO. I once had to deal with a commercial software package that > required that it be installed on Redhat 4.2 or something like that. If > you installed updates, the software didn't work. > > The current build problems are hopefully a temporary situation and if > they are resolved CentOS users will have the option of the rolling > updates or waiting for the update release. For "most" users, installing > updates from the CR repo is the best choice, but there could be > exceptions. > > Nataraj > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are > intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is > addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, > you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor > copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you > believe you have received this email in error. QinetiQ may > monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for > the purposes of security. QinetiQ Limited (Registered in England > & Wales: Company Number: 3796233) Registered office: Cody Technology > Park, Ively Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 0LX http://www.qinetiq.com. > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC What happened to 6.1
Am 16.11.2011 um 19:07 schrieb Nataraj: > On 11/16/2011 02:21 AM, Rushton Martin wrote: >> One exception is those machines behind a firewall that does not allow >> downloads. The only upgrade path then is to download on another machine >> and burn DVDs. CR repos are not helpful in such a case! > Unfortunately, I don't know of any distros that cater to anyone with > that level of security requirement anymore (or even someone who just > didn't have an Internet connection). There used to be distros where you > could receive updates monthly on a CDROM. Nowaday's all distros that > I'm aware of require internet access. I believe Apple has stopped > offering CD's or USB sticks of their OS and instead offer a BIOS that > knows how to install over the Internet. No, you can still by Mac OS on an USB-stick. IMO, not letting machines download updates even from an internal, non-public mirror is just brain-dead. Sure, you can put that same mirror onto a large USB-stick, walk up to the machine and do a local yum-update. But that really does not scale at all. It's a mis-use of the sysadmin's most precious resource: time. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] vertify which software for missing dependenies
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:45:50 -0800 Edward Martinez wrote: > I executed on the command line of centos 6 "rpm -q glibc" and > "rpm -q atk" after i installed adobe reader, and the output of both > were : #rpm -q glibc > glibc-2.12-1.25.el6_1.3.x86_64 > glibc-2.12-1.25.el6-1.3.i686 > >#rpm -q atk > atk-1.28.0-2.el6.x86_64 > atk-1.28.0-2.el6.i66 No it means that you installed both the 32 bit (i486) and the 64 bit (x86_64) versions. This also means that you installed a 32 bit version of adobe reader. Brgds -- Freundliche Gruesse/Best Regards Benjamin Hackl IT/Administration Media FOCUS Research Ges.m.b.H. Maculangasse 8, 1220 Wien Austria Tel: +43 1 258 97 01-295 b.ha...@focusmr.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] UC What happened to 6.1
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Nataraj wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't know of any distros that cater to anyone with > that level of security requirement anymore (or even someone who just > didn't have an Internet connection). There used to be distros where you > could receive updates monthly on a CDROM. Nowaday's all distros that > I'm aware of require internet access. I believe Apple has stopped > offering CD's or USB sticks of their OS and instead offer a BIOS that > knows how to install over the Internet. The way updates are shipped (in rpm form in a yum repo) works perfectly fine if you copy it onto portable media. I'd argue CentOS *does* cater for those people. Yum doesn't assume things are on the network, it's quite happy pointing at file based repos. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Where is source address info of a route kept?
I have an ethernet device in my lan with a primary address 192.168.5.205 and a secondary address .217. I added the secondary address after network startup established the primary address by an ip addr add command: # ip addr add 192.168.5.217/24 broadcast 192.168.5.255 dev eth0 # ip addr show ... 2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 78:2b:cb:23:21:4c brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 192.168.5.205/24 brd 192.168.5.255 scope global eth0 inet 192.168.5.217/24 brd 192.168.5.255 scope global secondary eth0 inet6 fe80::7a2b:cbff:fe23:214c/64 scope link valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever ... Then I add a new route via a network gateway but I want the route to use the secondary address as a source. # ip route add 11.11.11.11 via 192.168.5.148 src 192.168.5.217 And the ip route show command shows that it knows the source. # ip route show 11.11.11.11 via 192.168.5.148 dev eth0 src 192.168.5.217 But where is the source address kept? If I look at /proc/net/route, it shows the route (0B0B0B0B = 11.11.11.11), but not the source address. # cat /proc/net/route Iface Destination Gateway Flags RefCnt Use Metric Mask MTU Window IRTT eth0 0B0B0B0B9405A8C0 0007 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... Where is the source address kept? -- Dale Dellutri ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where is source address info of a route kept?
> I have an ethernet device in my lan with a primary address 192.168.5.205 > and a secondary address .217. I added the secondary address after network > startup established the primary address by an ip addr add command: > > # ip addr add 192.168.5.217/24 broadcast 192.168.5.255 dev eth0 > > # ip addr show > ... > 2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen > 1000 > link/ether 78:2b:cb:23:21:4c brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > inet 192.168.5.205/24 brd 192.168.5.255 scope global eth0 > inet 192.168.5.217/24 brd 192.168.5.255 scope global secondary eth0 > inet6 fe80::7a2b:cbff:fe23:214c/64 scope link >valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > ... > > Then I add a new route via a network gateway but I want the route to use > the secondary address as a source. > > # ip route add 11.11.11.11 via 192.168.5.148 src 192.168.5.217 > > And the ip route show command shows that it knows the source. > > # ip route show > 11.11.11.11 via 192.168.5.148 dev eth0 src 192.168.5.217 > > But where is the source address kept? If I look at /proc/net/route, > it shows the route (0B0B0B0B = 11.11.11.11), but not the source > address. > > # cat /proc/net/route > Iface Destination Gateway Flags RefCnt Use Metric Mask MTU Window > IRTT > eth0 0B0B0B0B9405A8C0 0007 0 0 0 0 0 0 > ... > > Where is the source address kept? It's not kept anywhere, statically. You have two IPs on the same interface within the same subnet, one listed as primary, one as secondary. The routing subsystem is using the primary IP as the source. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where is source address info of a route kept?
Em 16-11-2011 17:48, Dale Dellutri escreveu:
> I have an ethernet device in my lan with a primary address 192.168.5.205
> and a secondary address .217. I added the secondary address after network
> startup established the primary address by an ip addr add command:
>
> # ip addr add 192.168.5.217/24 broadcast 192.168.5.255 dev eth0
>
> # ip addr show
> ...
> 2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000
> link/ether 78:2b:cb:23:21:4c brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> inet 192.168.5.205/24 brd 192.168.5.255 scope global eth0
> inet 192.168.5.217/24 brd 192.168.5.255 scope global secondary eth0
> inet6 fe80::7a2b:cbff:fe23:214c/64 scope link
> valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> ...
>
> Then I add a new route via a network gateway but I want the route to use
> the secondary address as a source.
>
> # ip route add 11.11.11.11 via 192.168.5.148 src 192.168.5.217
>
> And the ip route show command shows that it knows the source.
>
> # ip route show
> 11.11.11.11 via 192.168.5.148 dev eth0 src 192.168.5.217
>
> But where is the source address kept? If I look at /proc/net/route,
> it shows the route (0B0B0B0B = 11.11.11.11), but not the source
> address.
>
> # cat /proc/net/route
> Iface Destination Gateway Flags RefCnt Use Metric Mask MTU Window IRTT
> eth0 0B0B0B0B9405A8C0 0007 0 0 0 0 0 0
> ...
>
> Where is the source address kept?
>
ip route uses NETLINK to obtain info
I did:
strace -o /tmp/strace.out ip route show
and inside strace.out:
bind(3, {sa_family=AF_NETLINK, pid=0, groups=}, 12) = 0
sendto(3, "\24\0\0\0\22\0\1\0031\25\304N\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0", 20, 0,
{sa_family=AF_NETLINK, pid=0, groups=}, 12) = 20
recvmsg(3, {msg_name(12)={sa_family=AF_NETLINK, pid=0, groups=},
msg_iov(1)=[{"\364\0\0\0\20\0\2\0001\25\304N\"\r\0\0\0\0\4\3\1\0\0\0I\0\1\0\0\0\0\0"...,
16384}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, 0) = 1688
You can see /proc/net/rt_cache, there is a Source column there.
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[CentOS] not using LVM for Linux VM guests?
I came across an old post comment yesterday (from http://echenh.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-to-extend-lvm-on-vmware-guest-os.html ) discussing the "hack" of LVM on Linux VM guests and whether it's better not to use it to simplify disk management. I've re-posted the comment below, does it sound reasonable? Is it better to not use LVM on Linux VM guests? --Russell --- At my job, after doing the same kind of procedure graph, we began to ask ourselves, why are using a LVM on a Linux VM guests? Since we're no longer living in the physical OS world, we didn't need to use the OS hacks(LVM) to overcome physical disk limitations anymore. We decided to Just let the hypervisor and virtual storage do that work for us. For example, in our production setup (3 tier commerce with VMs for database , webserver, and appserver), we're see a great improvement in managability and performance (>10%) by just dropping LVM, and most partitions. In your example, the resize process is 7 functional steps: 1. Increase size of VMDK 2. In VM OS, Create Partition (??) 3. REBOOT (!!) 4. PVCreate 5. VGExtend 6. LVExtend 7. Resize2fs Going to a LVM/partition-less setup reduces expansion to 3 steps and we don't need to take the VM OS offline! 1. Increase size of VMDK 2- Inside the VM, OS, rescan the scsi drive with:'echo 1 >/sys/class/scsi_device//rescan; dmesg' (dmesg will check that you drive isize has grown) 3- Resize2fs. Our current disk arrangement has 3 VM HD devices 0 - small device (100M) with a single BOOT partition 1 - entire device is / 2 - entire device is SWAP Doing this has simplified resizing so much, I now let the junior admins and my manager expand drive space as needed. It's also let's us really be spartan on space since expansion is so quick. Instead of increasing systems in 30-50GB chunks, we can do 10-15GB and let our rmonitoring system warn us when space gets tight. - === Attention: The information contained in this message and/or attachments from AgResearch Limited is intended only for the persons or entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited by AgResearch Limited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. === ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How can rpm "%{SUMMARY}" not be consistent?
> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Akemi Yagi
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:20
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] How can rpm "%{SUMMARY}" not be consistent?
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:56 AM, John Hodrien
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Akemi Yagi wrote:
> >
> >> What you are seeing is indeed odd. I see 'version 3.1' but not
'3.2'
> >> anywhere on the Summary line of bash. What is your kernel by the
way?
I would have said you also seeing 'version 3.1.' is one of the very odd
things, but then I check the bash rpm in a repo and it has 'version
3.1.' in the 3.2-32.el5 rpm.
> >> uname -mr ?
> >>
> >> Have you cleared yum cache? Not just running a 'yum clean all' but
> >> emptying the /var/cache/yum directory ?
> >
> > Why would yum cache have any bearing on what rpm reported?
>
> In my attempts to reproduce what you are seeing, I used 'yum info' a
It takes days/weeks of collecting the data via cron.daily and (I think)
having a few updates/installs happen between some of the runs.
On the boxes where I see it more, I often run the data collection script
immediately following updates. I almost think there is some kind of rpm
housekeeping that gets done on a daily basis that could affect it, but I
can't figure out what it would be, because the rpm script in cron.daily
only dumps data (similar to what mine dumps) to /var/log/rpmpkgs... it
does not issue any rpm clean up commands. as I understand anacron, each
of the scripts should finish before anacron starts the next, so there
should not be any DB contention, between the rpm script and mine, I
would think.
At one time (in the mists of history, probably around RHEL 1|2) I
thought there was a daily rpm cleanup task, but I can't find it on Cent
5 systems.
> few times for the packages that were not on my systems. But in your
> case (pure rpm operations) yum cache will not be relevant.
That is my thought too.
But I don't know where rpm could be getting the different info.
> By the way
> I looked at both CentOS 5 and 6 but did not see any inconsistency.
I am on CentOS 5.
> And
> the reason why I asked about the kernel version was because it was not
> clear which version/release of CentOS you are running. Sorry for the
> noise. I will shut up now.
>
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Re: [CentOS] How can rpm "%{SUMMARY}" not be consistent?
Denniston, Todd A CIV NAVSURFWARCENDIV Crane wrote: > > At one time (in the mists of history, probably around RHEL 1|2) I > thought there was a daily rpm cleanup task, but I can't find it on Cent > 5 systems. there is something in /etc/rc.sysinit, so it would happen on reboot: $ grep rpm /etc/rc.sysinit rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* &> /dev/null ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] not using LVM for Linux VM guests?
We use who disk LVM on our VMs. No partitioning except for the root disk which is separate for all our VMs. Since for us the root disks are largely static and all other components are on the full disk LVM volumes growing them doesn't require a reboot at all. Just rescan the scsi bus and resize. Done! - Original Message - | I came across an old post comment yesterday (from | http://echenh.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-to-extend-lvm-on-vmware-guest-os.html | ) discussing the "hack" of LVM on Linux VM guests and whether it's | better not to use it to simplify disk management. | I've re-posted the comment below, does it sound reasonable? Is it | better to not use LVM on Linux VM guests? | | --Russell | | | --- | At my job, after doing the same kind of procedure graph, we began to | ask ourselves, why are using a LVM on a Linux VM guests? | | Since we're no longer living in the physical OS world, we didn't need | to use the OS hacks(LVM) to overcome physical disk limitations | anymore. | We decided to Just let the hypervisor and virtual storage do that work | for us. | | For example, in our production setup (3 tier commerce with VMs for | database , webserver, and appserver), we're see a great improvement in | managability and performance (>10%) by just dropping LVM, and most | partitions. | | In your example, the resize process is 7 functional steps: | 1. Increase size of VMDK | 2. In VM OS, Create Partition (??) | 3. REBOOT (!!) | 4. PVCreate | 5. VGExtend | 6. LVExtend | 7. Resize2fs | | Going to a LVM/partition-less setup reduces expansion to 3 steps and | we don't need to take the VM OS offline! | 1. Increase size of VMDK | 2- Inside the VM, OS, rescan the scsi drive with:'echo 1 | >/sys/class/scsi_device//rescan; dmesg' (dmesg will check that you | drive isize has grown) | 3- Resize2fs. | | Our current disk arrangement has 3 VM HD devices | 0 - small device (100M) with a single BOOT partition | 1 - entire device is / | 2 - entire device is SWAP | | Doing this has simplified resizing so much, I now let the junior | admins and my manager expand drive space as needed. | | It's also let's us really be spartan on space since expansion is so | quick. Instead of increasing systems in 30-50GB chunks, we can do | 10-15GB and let our rmonitoring system warn us when space gets tight. | - | | === | Attention: The information contained in this message and/or | attachments | from AgResearch Limited is intended only for the persons or entities | to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or | privileged | material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, | or | taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or | entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited by | AgResearch | Limited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the | sender immediately. | === | ___ | CentOS mailing list | CentOS@centos.org | http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- James A. Peltier IT Services - Research Computing Group Simon Fraser University - Burnaby Campus Phone : 778-782-6573 Fax : 778-782-3045 E-Mail : jpelt...@sfu.ca Website : http://www.sfu.ca/itservices http://blogs.sfu.ca/people/jpeltier I will do the best I can with the talent I have ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > If no smartphones gets broken and/or replaced, they could reach number > of PC users (50%) in one year. Realistically it will take them 2-3 years > to reach those numbers. > > BUT, I have 2 phones (one of them is Android), 1 desktop PC and 1 > laptop. And 95-97% of internet usage I perform on Desktop PC. > > Even when I am in/on the field I use laptop and use Android just as > Wireless AP (for 3G access). Not to mention GPRS/3G price for surfing. > Most people here avoid mobile internet and vast majority has wired > internet access. > > SO, no luck for your estimate of 50% internet access share in next 5-10 > years, by logical estimate. Unless maybe you are not typical ... -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Am 17.11.2011 01:42, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > >> If no smartphones gets broken and/or replaced, they could reach number >> of PC users (50%) in one year. Realistically it will take them 2-3 years >> to reach those numbers. >> >> BUT, I have 2 phones (one of them is Android), 1 desktop PC and 1 >> laptop. And 95-97% of internet usage I perform on Desktop PC. > > Unless maybe you are not typical ... do you really think that the majority of users will ever use smatphones/pads? do anybody really think that the majority of users are homeusers which are only use a webbrowser and some small games? nice, most of use will use it on the road but not as main-device! the majority of users was and will be desktop users or will you explain anybody that you ever will use GIMP, Office and even business users which are the REAL majority take a smartphone? yes it is nice that software can fullfil the needs of smartphones/pads but it is simply dumb to think this is the main target for the future instead a OPTION which has to be enabled instead the only main target fpr new development signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [FIXED] Centos 5.7--desktop icons are now a blank sheet of paper with the .desktop filename and they don't work
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 08:45:48PM -0500, fred smith wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:22:32AM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > > Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:25 AM, fred smith piše: > > > > > note that the Desktop folder contains a subdirectory named "radio > > > stations", > > > and that its representation on the desktop looks correct. but when I click > > > on it to open up that folder, all its contents are also broken in the > > > same way. > > > > > > Anybody got any clues? > > > > > > > First remove all spaces from folder(s) and desktop files. > > > > Next, there was some trick when you create your own desktop files, I was > > receiving similar warning, but I am not sure (at the moment) what was > > the solution. While you change names, I will later on look for a solution. > > Tried removing spaces. makes no difference. > > did a reboot with forced fsck, on the off-chance that would fix something. > no such luck. > > created a whole new user, who CAN create working desktop launchers. which > tells me it's something in my own login environment that's messing me up. > Wonder what that might be Well, it's fixed. I know the solution, if not the cause: in my home directory, cd to .local/share/mime, delete (or rename) the "globs" file. log off, log on. voila. I note that the globs file in that location is not the same size as the one in /usr/share/mime globs, which is also no the same size as the one in /usr/local/share/mime/globs. I have no CLUE how it gets generated (unless update-mime-database does it, but I don't know when or by what agency it gets run.) but after rebooting it has not been regenerated, but at least my desktop launchers now work. I note that /usr/share/mime/globs contains: application/x-desktop:*.desktop and that the globs file I renamed in ~/.local/share/mime does not contain such a line. without doing further spelunking, I can only guess that it is the absence of that line that broke my desktop. Wonder how the file could have become broken/corrupted? is there a more correct method of "fixing" it? thanks all! Fred -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. --- Romans 5:8 (niv) -- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 02:03:58AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 17.11.2011 01:42, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > > Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > > > >> If no smartphones gets broken and/or replaced, they could reach number > >> of PC users (50%) in one year. Realistically it will take them 2-3 years > >> to reach those numbers. > >> > >> BUT, I have 2 phones (one of them is Android), 1 desktop PC and 1 > >> laptop. And 95-97% of internet usage I perform on Desktop PC. > > > > Unless maybe you are not typical ... > > do you really think that the majority of users will ever use smatphones/pads? > do anybody really think that the majority of users are homeusers which are > only use a webbrowser and some small games? > > nice, most of use will use it on the road but not as main-device! > > the majority of users was and will be desktop users or will you explain > anybody that you ever will use GIMP, Office and even business users which > are the REAL majority take a smartphone? > > yes it is nice that software can fullfil the needs of smartphones/pads > but it is simply dumb to think this is the main target for the future > instead a OPTION which has to be enabled instead the only main target > fpr new development > Well, I'm happy with my "stupid phone". I don't especially want a pocket-sized computer (at least not one that's tightly chained inside a walled garden, whether it be Apple's, or Microsoft's, or any one else's garden). As long as it reliably makes phone calls, and doesn't require charging EVERY DAY I can be happy with it. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. - Isaiah 40:28 (niv) - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Am 17.11.2011 02:32, schrieb fred smith: > Well, I'm happy with my "stupid phone". I don't especially want a > pocket-sized computer (at least not one that's tightly chained inside > a walled garden, whether it be Apple's, or Microsoft's, or any one > else's garden). As long as it reliably makes phone calls, and doesn't > require charging EVERY DAY I can be happy with it. well but computers are much more than on a smartphone will ever be possible smartphones are nice for many low-end users but they will NEVER replace a full featured PC and so so developers all over the world should stop to think they are the only target for software because they will not signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 02:38 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 17.11.2011 02:32, schrieb fred smith: > > Well, I'm happy with my "stupid phone". I don't especially want a > > pocket-sized computer (at least not one that's tightly chained inside > > a walled garden, whether it be Apple's, or Microsoft's, or any one > > else's garden). As long as it reliably makes phone calls, and doesn't > > require charging EVERY DAY I can be happy with it. > > well but computers are much more than on a smartphone will ever be possible > smartphones are nice for many low-end users but they will NEVER replace > a full featured PC and so so developers all over the world should stop > to think they are the only target for software because they will not Consider the upcoming Asus Transformer Prime tablet which has more horsepower than my desktop computer (by far) though less RAM and less storage. The cloud can be your storage... heck all of my music is already on Google Music. It's thoroughly conceivable that these devices will indeed displace what is generally thought of as the irreplaceable home computer and maybe in the near future - after all, probably 80-90% of what occupies our computer usage is e-mail & web browsing. Just take a look at the latest 3 phones added to Verizon... the Razr, Rezound, Nexxus. Wow! Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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