Re: [CentOS] Power-outage

2011-07-05 Thread John R Pierce
On 07/04/11 11:44 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote:
> Otherwise, the single large UPS becomes the single point of failure.

the good big ones are fully redundant and every component is hot swappable.

but yeah, distributed UPS the way google did it is rather sweet.   As 
long as part of their operating plan is replacing every server by the 
time its batteries need replacing, they are good to go.You also need 
the sort of cloud management environment where your servers themselves 
are interchangable worker units and can be easily taken down for maintenance

OTOH, populating lots of racks with several APC SU3000's each is a pain 
in the butt.   Servicing dozens or 100s of per-rack UPS's when they are 
3-4 years old and need battery replacement is also very time consuming.  
a battery tray swap of a decent sized datacenter UPS takes a half day 
with a small fork lift.



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Re: [CentOS] Power-outage

2011-07-05 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 02:44:30PM +0800, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote:

Can people at least pretend to keep this list on-topic?  89 responses
for an off-topic post is a little much, don't you think?

Item 3 under Guidelines as listed at:

http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=16





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Re: [CentOS] Power-outage

2011-07-05 Thread Timothy Murphy
Steven Crothers wrote:

> Hook up ethernet, if its not POE, you plug it in, attach all the various
> usb cables, vga, serial, ps/2, ect ect to the server and let it hang. When
> your server is unresponsive just go ahead and hit the IP you assigned to
> your Spider, and you get a full console, virtual media, mass storage
> emulation, and the ability to mount samba shares and what not into it.

>> How exactly would that work?

I'm still not clear on this solution.
Assuming you are actually doing this, could you tell me how you set it up
in a little more detail, please.

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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Charles Polisher wrote:

>
> If you're running a database on it, you might re-think using a
> journaled filesystem. For that, ext2 will be faster and much
> less prone to unrecoverable data loss.
>

Did you mean EXT4, or in actual fact EXT2? I thought EXT4 was faster than
EXT2?



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware

2011-07-05 Thread John Doe
From: Mark Weaver 

> Has anyone seen a supported hardware list on CentOS 6? I've been looking 
> around for the last few days; even looked at RedHat's site but didn't 
> find one.

Maybe try here:
https://hardware.redhat.com/

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware

2011-07-05 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Mark Weaver wrote:
> On 7/4/2011 10:41 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:30:08PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
>>> Has anyone seen a supported hardware list on CentOS 6? I've been looking
>>> around for the last few days; even looked at RedHat's site but didn't
>>> find one.
>>>
>>> I've got a Dell Inspiron 1501 with a Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card
>>> in it and I'm trying to find out if it's going to have native driver
>>> support for the WIFI.
>> I think most of the Dell Inspirons actually have a Broadcom 1390.
>> There's plenty of posts on it on Fedora forum, not sure how much will be
>> applicable to CentOS 6.
> 
> I took a look at the Fedora 15 live CD and it didn't have any idea what 
> to do with the WIFI chipset. As I recall it didn't even see it.
> 

Broadcom has license restrictions so even ElRepo guys wont create rpms, 
but there is howto, even for CentOS 5:
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Wireless/Broadcom

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Re: [CentOS] Power-outage

2011-07-05 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Steven Crothers wrote:
> 
>> Hook up ethernet, if its not POE, you plug it in, attach all the various
>> usb cables, vga, serial, ps/2, ect ect to the server and let it hang. When
>> your server is unresponsive just go ahead and hit the IP you assigned to
>> your Spider, and you get a full console, virtual media, mass storage
>> emulation, and the ability to mount samba shares and what not into it.
> 
>>> How exactly would that work?
> 
> I'm still not clear on this solution.
> Assuming you are actually doing this, could you tell me how you set it up
> in a little more detail, please.
> 

You hook up device to the PC, and both to internet, device with public 
IP, best if it is static, or with dynamic domain.

Then you use (app or web browser?) and open up IP of the device and you 
get somethink like VNC or TeamViewer but directly to hardware. Device 
has some sort of embedded OS in the firmware so you have access to all 
of your data, or at least I understood his comment in that way. Anyway, 
you can remotely even access BIOS screen.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware

2011-07-05 Thread B.J. McClure
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 11:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> Mark Weaver wrote:
> > On 7/4/2011 10:41 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:30:08PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
> >>> Has anyone seen a supported hardware list on CentOS 6? I've been looking
> >>> around for the last few days; even looked at RedHat's site but didn't
> >>> find one.
> >>>
> >>> I've got a Dell Inspiron 1501 with a Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card
> >>> in it and I'm trying to find out if it's going to have native driver
> >>> support for the WIFI.
> >> I think most of the Dell Inspirons actually have a Broadcom 1390.
> >> There's plenty of posts on it on Fedora forum, not sure how much will be
> >> applicable to CentOS 6.
> > 
> > I took a look at the Fedora 15 live CD and it didn't have any idea what 
> > to do with the WIFI chipset. As I recall it didn't even see it.
> > 
> 
> Broadcom has license restrictions so even ElRepo guys wont create rpms, 
> but there is howto, even for CentOS 5:
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Wireless/Broadcom
> 
> Ljubomir

Broadcom released open source drivers in Fall of 2010 for both 32 & 64
bit systems.  I do not know if it supports the 1390 chip.  It does
support 4300 series chips and b43-fwcutter, for extracting and
installing firmware, and b43 driver are shipped with RHEL 6.  One should
probably assume the same support in CentOS 6.

HTH,
B.J.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware

2011-07-05 Thread Michael Schumacher
Mark,

On Tuesday, July 5, 2011 you wrote:

> Has anyone seen a supported hardware list on CentOS 6?

Check my question regarding the same question from May. 3rd this year
with the subject "list of supported hardware".

There is a list of certified hardware, but no list of supported hardware.

I find this strange as in my opinion the hardware support is mainly
handled in the kernel. If people are writing drivers for the kernel, it 
would be quite simple to ask them adding the supported hardware to a
list.

Some two years ago I had an issue with a new motherboard. After a
kernel update, it had massive memory errors in the log-files. It
turned out that a new kernel driver simply added the feature of
reporting errors. They were there before, but not reported. I had to
wade through the kernel source code and the history-files to figure
out what had happened. Not really good, but OTOH no CENTOS problem.


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Re: [CentOS] Strange symbolic link behaviour?

2011-07-05 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:21 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin
wrote:

> On 7/5/11, Eric B.  wrote:
> > The strange behaviour here is when listing the parent directory (..).
> > In this case, ls .. is listing the contents of Mail/ directory - not
> > /home/eric.
> >
> > In the past, I always recall being able to use the parent identified
> > (..) to move up one level in the directory structure whether in a
> > symlink or not.  In this case, I would have expected ls .. to list the
> > contents of /home/eric - not /home/eric/Mail.
>
> I believe it's normal. If I'm not mistaken, cd works based on the
> working path i.e. /home/eric/test so cd .. goes to /home/eric
>
> However ls works by reading the .. inode of the directory you're in,
> which will always point to the real parent /home/eric/Mail no matter
> how you got to that directory.
>
>
That's correct and it's the behavior most people seem to prefer.

To change it use `set -o physical` in Bash.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware

2011-07-05 Thread Mark Weaver
On 7/5/2011 5:09 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> Mark Weaver wrote:
>> On 7/4/2011 10:41 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:30:08PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
 Has anyone seen a supported hardware list on CentOS 6? I've been looking
 around for the last few days; even looked at RedHat's site but didn't
 find one.

 I've got a Dell Inspiron 1501 with a Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card
 in it and I'm trying to find out if it's going to have native driver
 support for the WIFI.
>>> I think most of the Dell Inspirons actually have a Broadcom 1390.
>>> There's plenty of posts on it on Fedora forum, not sure how much will be
>>> applicable to CentOS 6.
>>
>> I took a look at the Fedora 15 live CD and it didn't have any idea what
>> to do with the WIFI chipset. As I recall it didn't even see it.
>>
>
> Broadcom has license restrictions so even ElRepo guys wont create rpms,
> but there is howto, even for CentOS 5:
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Wireless/Broadcom
>
> Ljubomir

Wow I'd forgotten CentOS has a wiki; thank you!

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware

2011-07-05 Thread Mark Weaver
On 7/5/2011 5:33 AM, B.J. McClure wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 11:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> Mark Weaver wrote:
>>> On 7/4/2011 10:41 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:30:08PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
> Has anyone seen a supported hardware list on CentOS 6? I've been looking
> around for the last few days; even looked at RedHat's site but didn't
> find one.
>
> I've got a Dell Inspiron 1501 with a Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card
> in it and I'm trying to find out if it's going to have native driver
> support for the WIFI.
 I think most of the Dell Inspirons actually have a Broadcom 1390.
 There's plenty of posts on it on Fedora forum, not sure how much will be
 applicable to CentOS 6.
>>>
>>> I took a look at the Fedora 15 live CD and it didn't have any idea what
>>> to do with the WIFI chipset. As I recall it didn't even see it.
>>>
>>
>> Broadcom has license restrictions so even ElRepo guys wont create rpms,
>> but there is howto, even for CentOS 5:
>> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Wireless/Broadcom
>>
>> Ljubomir
>
> Broadcom released open source drivers in Fall of 2010 for both 32&  64
> bit systems.  I do not know if it supports the 1390 chip.  It does
> support 4300 series chips and b43-fwcutter, for extracting and
> installing firmware, and b43 driver are shipped with RHEL 6.  One should
> probably assume the same support in CentOS 6.
>
> HTH,
> B.J.
>
> RHEL 6.0, Linux 2.6.32-131.2.1.el6.x86_64

well then... this is good news and I'll have to wait till 6 is released. 
Thank you for the info.

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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread James Hogarth
>>
>> If you're running a database on it, you might re-think using a
>> journaled filesystem. For that, ext2 will be faster and much
>> less prone to unrecoverable data loss.
>
> Did you mean EXT4, or in actual fact EXT2? I thought EXT4 was faster than
> EXT2?
>

The optimum on an EXT basis for a filesystem that does not require
journaling going forwards would be EXT4 with no journal... that way
you get the benefit of extents etc without a journal slowing you
down A better option than EXT2 ;)
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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, July 05, 2011 07:28 PM, James Hogarth wrote:
>>>
>>> If you're running a database on it, you might re-think using a
>>> journaled filesystem. For that, ext2 will be faster and much
>>> less prone to unrecoverable data loss.
>>
>> Did you mean EXT4, or in actual fact EXT2? I thought EXT4 was faster than
>> EXT2?
>>
>
> The optimum on an EXT basis for a filesystem that does not require
> journaling going forwards would be EXT4 with no journal... that way
> you get the benefit of extents etc without a journal slowing you
> down A better option than EXT2 ;)


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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Les Mikesell
On 7/5/11 6:28 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
>>>
>>> If you're running a database on it, you might re-think using a
>>> journaled filesystem. For that, ext2 will be faster and much
>>> less prone to unrecoverable data loss.
>>
>> Did you mean EXT4, or in actual fact EXT2? I thought EXT4 was faster than
>> EXT2?
>>
>
> The optimum on an EXT basis for a filesystem that does not require
> journaling going forwards would be EXT4 with no journal... that way
> you get the benefit of extents etc without a journal slowing you
> down A better option than EXT2 ;)

Won't that mean that starting up after a crash or power loss will always 
require 
an fsck which might be slow depending on how many files are on the partition?

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[CentOS] HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

2011-07-05 Thread Kaushal Shriyan
Hi

I am trying to install CentOS 5.6 on HP DL 180 G6 which has HP Smart
Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver. I have 4 * 500 GB SATA HDD
and configured RAID 1+0 using System BIOS, the BIOS detects usable
disk space as 940GB disk space, when i start installing the OS, it
does not detect HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

As per 
http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=3884339&swItem=MTX-ee8b3f5c09a44b8aa259d07d3d&prodNameId=3884340&swEnvOID=4004&swLang=8&taskId=135&mode=4&idx=1

Is there a way to get .iso file during installation of CentOS Linux ?

Please suggest/guide

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware

2011-07-05 Thread Scott Robbins
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:43:37PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:


> On 7/4/2011 10:41 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:30:08PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
> >> Has anyone seen a supported hardware list on CentOS 6? 
> >>
> >> I've got a Dell Inspiron 1501 with a Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card
> >> in it and I'm trying to find out if it's going to have native driver
> >> support for the WIFI.
> >
> > I think most of the Dell Inspirons actually have a Broadcom 1390.
> > There's plenty of posts on it on Fedora forum, not sure how much will be
> > applicable to CentOS 6.
> 
> I took a look at the Fedora 15 live CD and it didn't have any idea what 
> to do with the WIFI chipset. As I recall it didn't even see it.
> 

That's possible--not having one, I haven't paid too much attention, but
there's a mod on the Fedora fora with the username of stoat, and he
gives the solution all the time.  


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Re: [CentOS] mounting a CentOS 5.5-based NFS partitions from a Mac OS X machine

2011-07-05 Thread Boris Epstein
>
> Is the OS X firewall blocking nfs?
>
> How are you mounting the export? If you're not trying it from within
> Terminal, does it work from within it?
> __

The OS X firewall dos not appear to be a factor. Actually it works
just fine when I turn off the firewall on the CentOS end.

Could it be that even when I am trying to mount over the TCP the NFS
client on the Mac OS X side still tried to connect to some UDP port? I
am asking that because everyone else mounts just fine with the
firewall up on the server end.

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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Charles Polisher
Christopher Chan wrote:
> James Hogarth wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If you're running a database on it, you might re-think using a
> >>> journaled filesystem. For that, ext2 will be faster and much
> >>> less prone to unrecoverable data loss.
> >>
> >> Did you mean EXT4, or in actual fact EXT2? I thought EXT4 was faster than
> >> EXT2?

In general and with some simplifiying assumptions, a database
consists of statically pre-allocated files. The process of extending
the files happens at birth. The relative speed over the lifetime
of the database is dominated by raw I/O, not by extending the files.

> >
> > The optimum on an EXT basis for a filesystem that does not require
> > journaling going forwards would be EXT4 with no journal... that way
> > you get the benefit of extents etc without a journal slowing you
> > down A better option than EXT2 ;)
> 
> 
> Test, test, and test again for your own particular case.

Couldn't agree more! 

A reminder that blind trust in filesystems is not always well placed:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ext4/6702

Everyone uses foo, therefore foo is what you should use:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html

Important Person uses foo, therefore foo is what you should use:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html

I've been using foo for years in production with no problems:
maybe http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/composition.html 

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Re: [CentOS] Strange symbolic link behaviour?

2011-07-05 Thread Charles Polisher
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 06:52:47AM -0300, Giovanni Tirloni wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:21 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin
> wrote:
> 
> > On 7/5/11, Eric B.  wrote:
> > > The strange behaviour here is when listing the parent directory (..).
> > > In this case, ls .. is listing the contents of Mail/ directory - not
> > > /home/eric.
> > >
> > > In the past, I always recall being able to use the parent identified
> > > (..) to move up one level in the directory structure whether in a
> > > symlink or not.  In this case, I would have expected ls .. to list the
> > > contents of /home/eric - not /home/eric/Mail.
> >
> > I believe it's normal. If I'm not mistaken, cd works based on the
> > working path i.e. /home/eric/test so cd .. goes to /home/eric
> >
> > However ls works by reading the .. inode of the directory you're in,
> > which will always point to the real parent /home/eric/Mail no matter
> > how you got to that directory.
> >
> >
> That's correct and it's the behavior most people seem to prefer.
> 
> To change it use `set -o physical` in Bash.

For completeness: "pwd -P" can be a help when navigating.

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Re: [CentOS] HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

2011-07-05 Thread m . roth
Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am trying to install CentOS 5.6 on HP DL 180 G6 which has HP Smart
> Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver. I have 4 * 500 GB SATA HDD
> and configured RAID 1+0 using System BIOS, the BIOS detects usable
> disk space as 940GB disk space, when i start installing the OS, it
> does not detect HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

Not familiar with the HP RAID controller card, but with others, you have
to go into the firmware on boot, and make the arrays, then make the
controller present it to the o/s. Until you do that very last step, you
don't see anything.

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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Charles Polisher wrote:

>
>
> (I'm sharpening my axe for the "Use ZFS, it's bulletproof" discussion.)
>
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>
HAHA, what's your take on ZFS then?

We've been running ZFS on a few storage servers, both in the office and for
our hosting clients for about 2 years now and all I can say it that it's
rock solid.

With raidz2 (similar to RAID6) we've never had any data loss or corruption
due to hard drive failure and long rebuilds.
And if you use SSD for ZIL & LARC2 cache, it's super fast. the same systems
with EXT3 simply couldn't match the performance we got got from ZFS.



BUT, since we're not allowed to talk about anything else other than CentOS
on this list people don't mention it.



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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:26 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
> (I'm sharpening my axe for the "Use ZFS, it's bulletproof" discussion.)
>

/me puts on asbestos suit...stares...switches to asbestos armor instead.


>
>
> HAHA, what's your take on ZFS then?
>
> We've been running ZFS on a few storage servers, both in the office and
> for our hosting clients for about 2 years now and all I can say it that
> it's rock solid.

+1

Although I have seen screams from others on the opensolaris/openindiana 
lists I personally have not experienced them.

>
> With raidz2 (similar to RAID6) we've never had any data loss or
> corruption due to hard drive failure and long rebuilds.
> And if you use SSD for ZIL & LARC2 cache, it's super fast. the same
> systems with EXT3 simply couldn't match the performance we got got from
> ZFS.
>

I take it you limit your raidz2 arrays to a maximum of 9 drives?

/me wonders what an md raid array with an ext3 fs that has its journal 
on an ssd in full data journal mode give in terms of performance.

I would not give zfs the performance crown just yet. Have you tried 
using ext3 with an external journal on the ssd and ext3 on raid6? What 
kind of usage pattern do you have on those zfs filesystems?

>
>
> BUT, since we're not allowed to talk about anything else other than
> CentOS on this list people don't mention it.
>

I find that this list is generally tolerant of offtopic but technical 
topics. What it does not like is flamewars made of posts that have zero 
technical merit.
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Re: [CentOS] HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

2011-07-05 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>I am trying to install CentOS 5.6 on HP DL 180 G6 which has HP Smart
>Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver. I have 4 * 500 GB SATA HDD
>and configured RAID 1+0 using System BIOS, the BIOS detects usable
>disk space as 940GB disk space, when i start installing the OS, it
>does not detect HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

That thing is a software raid setup iirc, although there is an rpm for it
post install, you could use the ddkit from rhel to make a dd image but
frankly I would just use mdraid, turn off the riad setup and just use AHCI.
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Re: [CentOS] HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

2011-07-05 Thread m . roth
Joseph L. Casale wrote:
>>I am trying to install CentOS 5.6 on HP DL 180 G6 which has HP Smart
>>Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver. I have 4 * 500 GB SATA HDD
>>and configured RAID 1+0 using System BIOS, the BIOS detects usable
>>disk space as 940GB disk space, when i start installing the OS, it
>>does not detect HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver
>
> That thing is a software raid setup iirc, although there is an rpm for it
> post install, you could use the ddkit from rhel to make a dd image but
> frankly I would just use mdraid, turn off the riad setup and just use
> AHCI.

Hmmm... if that's a software RAID, the o/s wouldn't see it, I would think,
until it was up. In that case, I'd make a plain vanilla partition
somewhere for /boot.

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Re: [CentOS] Mirror URL Times Out

2011-07-05 Thread Torintino T

I still get this

http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 12] 
Timeout: 
Trying other mirror.
Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: update
failure: repodata/repomd.xml from update: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
Error: failure: repodata/repomd.xml from update: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to 
try.


when i wget it resolves to : 41.215.241.82


--18:31:14--  http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml
   => `repomd.xml'
Resolving mirror.centos.org... 41.215.241.82
Connecting to mirror.centos.org|41.215.241.82|:80...

failed: Connection timed out.
Retrying.

--18:34:30--  http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml
  (try: 2) => `repomd.xml'
Connecting to mirror.centos.org|41.215.241.82|:80...

and still times out.

Thanks




> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:34:42 -0700
> From: jd...@yahoo.com
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Mirror URL Times Out
> 
> From: Torintino T 
> > I am using Centos 4.7, i have an issue when i run yum update, the URL
> > times-out even when i browse it on firefox
> > ...
> > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno
> 
> Works fine here...Maybe try the url with wget and, if they timeout, look at 
> the IPs resolved and do traceroutes...
> 
> 
> JD
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Re: [CentOS] HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

2011-07-05 Thread John Doe
From: Kaushal Shriyan 

> I am trying to install CentOS 5.6 on HP DL 180 G6 which has HP Smart
> Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver. I have 4 * 500 GB SATA HDD
> and configured RAID 1+0 using System BIOS, the BIOS detects usable
> disk space as 940GB disk space, when i start installing the OS, it
> does not detect HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver
> As per 
> http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=3884339&swItem=MTX-ee8b3f5c09a44b8aa259d07d3d&prodNameId=3884340&swEnvOID=4004&swLang=8&taskId=135&mode=4&idx=1
> Is there a way to get .iso file during installation of CentOS Linux ?

As mark said, did you create one (or more) logical drive(s) after you created 
the array?
About the driver, they say: "The successful installation will replace the 
driver that shipped with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5" which seems to imply that 
a working driver exists already...
Also, remember for later that many hp tools/drivers do check the 
/etc/redhat-release for a specific Redhat release string...
If they see "CentOS ..." instead of "Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5 
(Tikanga)", it won't install.

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Re: [CentOS] Mirror URL Times Out

2011-07-05 Thread Markus Falb
On 5.7.2011 17:36, Torintino T wrote:

> when i wget it resolves to : 41.215.241.82
> 
> 
> --18:31:14-- 
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml
>=> `repomd.xml'
> Resolving mirror.centos.org... 41.215.241.82
> Connecting to mirror.centos.org|41.215.241.82|:80...
> 
> failed: Connection timed out.
> Retrying.

On 41.215.241.82 is no webservice listening.

$ telnet 41.215.241.82 80
Trying 41.215.241.82...
telnet: connect to address 41.215.241.82: Operation timed out
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Operation timed out

but

$ telnet mirror.centos.org 80
Trying 93.113.36.66...
Connected to mirror.centos.org (93.113.36.66).
Escape character is '^]'.

Check your DNS Server or /etc/hosts or whatever you use for name resolution.

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Re: [CentOS] Power-outage

2011-07-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday, July 02, 2011 09:00:54 AM Jason Pyeron wrote:
> You will either need many different batteries for the different voltages (1.2,
> 3.3, 5, 12, -12, -5) or a DC ATX power supply (not cheap and not very powerful
> until the 48V input variety)

A company called PowerStream produces DC input ATX supplies for 12V, 24V, and 
48V input, all with up to 500W of power.  The 12V input page is at 
http://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-12V.htm

We have a number of their -48V input supplies in use.  No, the 500W version in 
12V input is not cheap.
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[CentOS] getting old mail every 5 months or so

2011-07-05 Thread Bob Hoffman
Using centos 5.x, sendmail, as a server, downloading mail with 
thunderbird (although this happened with outlook too)

every 5 or 6 months I open my mail client (thunderbird) and one of my 
mail accounts decides to download 1,000 or so mails from my server. Old 
mail that I had already downloaded before.

I changed no settings and everything is the same as it was, but this 
happens enough, on all accounts, that it is just weird. It is like it 
gets to a certain size and then redownloads the same mails. And they are 
the same mails. I have had 'redownloads' of the same emails each time.

I look in the queue, nothing there...same with the mailboxes in the user 
folders, var/spool/mail

these mails are being held somewhere by centos, but I cannot find 
them...and they seem to want to all be downloaded again and again every 
6 months..

what am I missing?

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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread John R Pierce
On 07/05/11 7:10 AM, Charles Polisher wrote:
> In general and with some simplifiying assumptions, a database
> consists of statically pre-allocated files. The process of extending
> the files happens at birth. The relative speed over the lifetime
> of the database is dominated by raw I/O, not by extending the files.

thats not even remotely true of many databases.  PostgreSQL, for 
example, the files are extended as they are updated/inserted, as are the 
WAL files.



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Re: [CentOS] mounting a CentOS 5.5-based NFS partitions from a Mac OS X machine

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Kampen

Boris Epstein wrote:

Is the OS X firewall blocking nfs?

How are you mounting the export? If you're not trying it from within
Terminal, does it work from within it?
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The OS X firewall dos not appear to be a factor. Actually it works
just fine when I turn off the firewall on the CentOS end.

Could it be that even when I am trying to mount over the TCP the NFS
client on the Mac OS X side still tried to connect to some UDP port? I
am asking that because everyone else mounts just fine with the
firewall up on the server end.
  
As I recall OS X only does NFS via TCP - other clients can use UDP - 
make sure your CentOS firewall has the TCP ports open.

HTH

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Re: [CentOS] getting old mail every 5 months or so

2011-07-05 Thread Scott Silva
on 7/5/2011 9:34 AM Bob Hoffman spake the following:
> Using centos 5.x, sendmail, as a server, downloading mail with 
> thunderbird (although this happened with outlook too)
> 
> every 5 or 6 months I open my mail client (thunderbird) and one of my 
> mail accounts decides to download 1,000 or so mails from my server. Old 
> mail that I had already downloaded before.
> 
> I changed no settings and everything is the same as it was, but this 
> happens enough, on all accounts, that it is just weird. It is like it 
> gets to a certain size and then redownloads the same mails. And they are 
> the same mails. I have had 'redownloads' of the same emails each time.
> 
> I look in the queue, nothing there...same with the mailboxes in the user 
> folders, var/spool/mail
> 
> these mails are being held somewhere by centos, but I cannot find 
> them...and they seem to want to all be downloaded again and again every 
> 6 months..
> 
> what am I missing?
> 
> thanks
You are missing a lot of detail, and also hijacked someone elses thread.
What MDA... using pop3 or imap... etc...

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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Christopher Chan
 wrote:
>> We've been running ZFS on a few storage servers, both in the office and
>> for our hosting clients for about 2 years now and all I can say it that
>> it's rock solid.
>
> +1
>
> Although I have seen screams from others on the opensolaris/openindiana
> lists I personally have not experienced them.

True, but that you'll get in any industry, with any product - even EMC
or other similar large and expensive equipment vendors :)

>> With raidz2 (similar to RAID6) we've never had any data loss or
>> corruption due to hard drive failure and long rebuilds.
>> And if you use SSD for ZIL & LARC2 cache, it's super fast. the same
>> systems with EXT3 simply couldn't match the performance we got got from
>> ZFS.
>>
>
> I take it you limit your raidz2 arrays to a maximum of 9 drives?

Yes, in a 12-bay chassis, we use:
1x L2ARC SSD
2x ZIL SSD mirrored
9x SATA / SAS (depending on application) drives in raidz2, which
effectively gives us 7 usable drives

I am contemplating using 24bay chassis instead, purely from a cost
(hardware, power, cooling) point of view and then using 2x raidz2
pools.

>
> /me wonders what an md raid array with an ext3 fs that has its journal
> on an ssd in full data journal mode give in terms of performance.

I honestly haven't tried this yet, probably cause when I looked at how
this works, it's only the journal which runs on SSD, so reads won't
benefit much from it, only reads. But with ZFS you get all the data,
read & write, cached on SSD


>
> I would not give zfs the performance crown just yet. Have you tried
> using ext3 with an external journal on the ssd and ext3 on raid6? What
> kind of usage pattern do you have on those zfs filesystems?

It's generally shared & VPS hosting, so basically: websites, email,
databases, logs, etc :)


>
>>
>>
>> BUT, since we're not allowed to talk about anything else other than
>> CentOS on this list people don't mention it.
>>
>
> I find that this list is generally tolerant of offtopic but technical
> topics. What it does not like is flamewars made of posts that have zero
> technical merit.

True, but have you seen how quickly some "grumpy mailing list
activist" can derail a thread with: "please don't post OT stuff here"
and then the whole conversation just dies down..




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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Les Mikesell
On 7/5/2011 1:06 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
>
>> /me wonders what an md raid array with an ext3 fs that has its journal
>> on an ssd in full data journal mode give in terms of performance.
>
> I honestly haven't tried this yet, probably cause when I looked at how
> this works, it's only the journal which runs on SSD, so reads won't
> benefit much from it, only reads. But with ZFS you get all the data,
> read&  write, cached on SSD

How much can that matter?  Reads are going to be cached in main RAM 
anyway - which is pretty cheap these days.

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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Les Mikesell  wrote:
>
> How much can that matter?  Reads are going to be cached in main RAM
> anyway - which is pretty cheap these days.
>
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Yes, but I suppose it all depends on the needs of the server in question :)

In our case, with web servers, reads (i.e. opening websites,
downloading content) far outweighs writes (which are basically logs,
file uploads, and sessions being written to disk.

In case of forums (we have many clients with forums) reads & writes
are sometimes equal, but even then reads are still more common in our
case than writes.

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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Les Mikesell
On 7/5/2011 1:30 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Les Mikesell  wrote:
>>
>> How much can that matter?  Reads are going to be cached in main RAM
>> anyway - which is pretty cheap these days.
>>
>
>
> Yes, but I suppose it all depends on the needs of the server in question :)
>
> In our case, with web servers, reads (i.e. opening websites,
> downloading content) far outweighs writes (which are basically logs,
> file uploads, and sessions being written to disk.
>
> In case of forums (we have many clients with forums) reads&  writes
> are sometimes equal, but even then reads are still more common in our
> case than writes.

But it doesn't matter if you lose the read cache in RAM - and the OS is 
going to keep a copy there as long as it can anyway.  The point of SSD 
caching of journals/writes is that it survives a reboot.  If you have a 
lot more SSD than spare RAM it might save a few seeks as a side effect 
but why not just add RAM if that matters?

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Re: [CentOS] mounting a CentOS 5.5-based NFS partitions from a Mac OS X machine

2011-07-05 Thread Keith Roberts
On Tue, 5 Jul 2011, Boris Epstein wrote:

> To: CentOS mailing list 
> From: Boris Epstein 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] mounting a CentOS 5.5-based NFS partitions from a Mac OS
>  X machine
> 
>>
>> Is the OS X firewall blocking nfs?
>>
>> How are you mounting the export? If you're not trying it from within
>> Terminal, does it work from within it?
>> __
>
> The OS X firewall dos not appear to be a factor. Actually it works
> just fine when I turn off the firewall on the CentOS end.
>
> Could it be that even when I am trying to mount over the TCP the NFS
> client on the Mac OS X side still tried to connect to some UDP port? I
> am asking that because everyone else mounts just fine with the
> firewall up on the server end.

Hi Boris. For any network connectivity problems, I'd 
recommend using wireshark. It's in the Centos updates repo. 
Just try 'yum info wireshark*' Running that will enable you 
pinpoint what your network problem is.

Kind Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] getting old mail every 5 months or so

2011-07-05 Thread Keith Roberts
On Tue, 5 Jul 2011, Bob Hoffman wrote:

> To: CentOS mailing list 
> From: Bob Hoffman 
> Subject: [CentOS] getting old mail every 5 months or so
> 
> Using centos 5.x, sendmail, as a server, downloading mail with
> thunderbird (although this happened with outlook too)
>
> every 5 or 6 months I open my mail client (thunderbird) and one of my
> mail accounts decides to download 1,000 or so mails from my server. Old
> mail that I had already downloaded before.

What emails are you refering to Bob - ones specific to this 
list?

Is this email being flushed (deleted) the first time you are 
downloading it. Using fetchmail I can download emails, and 
specify either the 'keep' or 'no-keep' option to either 
download and not delete, or download and delete from the 
mail server.

Kind Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] Mirror URL Times Out

2011-07-05 Thread Torintino T

Yes, it's my ISP's DNS issue, i used another global DNS instead and it worked.

Thanks a lot

To: centos@centos.org
From: markus.f...@fasel.at
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:55:25 +0200
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Mirror URL Times Out

On 5.7.2011 17:36, Torintino T wrote:
 
> when i wget it resolves to : 41.215.241.82
> 
> 
> --18:31:14-- 
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml
>=> `repomd.xml'
> Resolving mirror.centos.org... 41.215.241.82
> Connecting to mirror.centos.org|41.215.241.82|:80...
> 
> failed: Connection timed out.
> Retrying.
 
On 41.215.241.82 is no webservice listening.
 
$ telnet 41.215.241.82 80
Trying 41.215.241.82...
telnet: connect to address 41.215.241.82: Operation timed out
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Operation timed out
 
but
 
$ telnet mirror.centos.org 80
Trying 93.113.36.66...
Connected to mirror.centos.org (93.113.36.66).
Escape character is '^]'.
 
Check your DNS Server or /etc/hosts or whatever you use for name resolution.
 
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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Les Mikesell  wrote:

> On 7/5/2011 1:30 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Les Mikesell
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> How much can that matter?  Reads are going to be cached in main RAM
> >> anyway - which is pretty cheap these days.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Yes, but I suppose it all depends on the needs of the server in question
> :)
> >
> > In our case, with web servers, reads (i.e. opening websites,
> > downloading content) far outweighs writes (which are basically logs,
> > file uploads, and sessions being written to disk.
> >
> > In case of forums (we have many clients with forums) reads&  writes
> > are sometimes equal, but even then reads are still more common in our
> > case than writes.
>
> But it doesn't matter if you lose the read cache in RAM - and the OS is
> going to keep a copy there as long as it can anyway.  The point of SSD
> caching of journals/writes is that it survives a reboot.  If you have a
> lot more SSD than spare RAM it might save a few seeks as a side effect
> but why not just add RAM if that matters?
>
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>
>

It's not always easy, or even possible to add more RAM, especially since the
storage servers weren't fitted with motherboards that can take more than say
8 or 16GB RAM .

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Re: [CentOS] Power-outage

2011-07-05 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 7/2/2011 7:34 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
>
> I could in principle imagine all that coming in the future, but the
> "monitor == shades" thing is just only Fi with no Sci in it. A human eye 
> cannot focus properly on any object which is closer to the eye than 10-15 cm 
> (depending on the eye quality), so there is absolutely no way one can use 
> shades or contact lenses or something similar as a monitor, regardless of 
> technological levels of any human or alien races (James Bond 
> notwithstanding). 
> Unless of course one surgically adapts the eye lense itself, in which case 
> the 
> person would not be able to see anything else... ;-)

Hmm...something like this perhaps?

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/i-3d.html

Still a bit bulky and expensive, but not impossible.  These apparently
use a lens of some sort to allow the eye to focus at 5' while wearing
them.  I had the chance to play with a pair of these 10 years ago.  At
that time, the resolution sucked and they were about 1.5" thick.  They
had built-in motion tracking.  Playing Descent with those things was a
blast!  :)

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[CentOS] pam update

2011-07-05 Thread Paul A
Hi, I'm currently using, CentOS release 4.8 (Final) and wanted to update the
pam_tally module to support  unlock_time.

I understand this is only support on centos 5.x and up. What are my options
for updating pam_tally to support unlock_time, can I simply download and
update from a centos repo or should I compile pam. I would appreciate some
suggestions.

 

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[CentOS] Need the CentOS 4.3 i386 ISO

2011-07-05 Thread Digimer
Hi all,

   I'm trying to rebuild a pretty old server. For this, I need a copy of 
the CentOS 4.3 i386 DVD ISO, ideally. The torrent on the CentOS vault is 
not working... Does anyone have a copy of:

CentOS-4.3-i386-binDVD.iso (md5sum: ca5ccf17951f4b4ef0460c7847e0f2ac)

   Kicking around? I'd be much obliged if I could get a copy. :)

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Re: [CentOS] Need the CentOS 4.3 i386 ISO

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Heller
At Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:15 -0400 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
>I'm trying to rebuild a pretty old server. For this, I need a copy of 
> the CentOS 4.3 i386 DVD ISO, ideally. The torrent on the CentOS vault is 
> not working... Does anyone have a copy of:
> 
> CentOS-4.3-i386-binDVD.iso (md5sum: ca5ccf17951f4b4ef0460c7847e0f2ac)
> 
>Kicking around? I'd be much obliged if I could get a copy. :)

I have a set of 4.3 *CDs* I bought way back when from Cheapbytes.  Will
this do?

> 

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Re: [CentOS] Need the CentOS 4.3 i386 ISO

2011-07-05 Thread John R Pierce
On 07/05/11 1:51 PM, Digimer wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to rebuild a pretty old server. For this, I need a copy of
> the CentOS 4.3 i386 DVD ISO, ideally. The torrent on the CentOS vault is
> not working... Does anyone have a copy of:
>
> CentOS-4.3-i386-binDVD.iso (md5sum: ca5ccf17951f4b4ef0460c7847e0f2ac)
>
> Kicking around? I'd be much obliged if I could get a copy. :)
>


why not 4.latest?

4.8 is here both as a download and a torrent
ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/pub/centos/4/isos/i386/



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware

2011-07-05 Thread Ned Slider
On 05/07/11 10:09, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> Mark Weaver wrote:
>> On 7/4/2011 10:41 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:30:08PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
 Has anyone seen a supported hardware list on CentOS 6? I've been looking
 around for the last few days; even looked at RedHat's site but didn't
 find one.

 I've got a Dell Inspiron 1501 with a Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card
 in it and I'm trying to find out if it's going to have native driver
 support for the WIFI.
>>> I think most of the Dell Inspirons actually have a Broadcom 1390.
>>> There's plenty of posts on it on Fedora forum, not sure how much will be
>>> applicable to CentOS 6.
>>
>> I took a look at the Fedora 15 live CD and it didn't have any idea what
>> to do with the WIFI chipset. As I recall it didn't even see it.
>>
>
> Broadcom has license restrictions so even ElRepo guys wont create rpms,
> but there is howto, even for CentOS 5:
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Wireless/Broadcom
>
> Ljubomir

That was true, but...

We (elrepo) certainly aren't prepared to create and redistribute binary 
"kmod-wl" RPMS given the Broadcom licensing restrictions. However, one 
of our colleagues recently required these packages so we did knock up 
some kmod packages for el5 and el6 for our own internal not to be 
redistributed private use.

As there is evidently a high demand for them, we have decided to make 
available our SRPMS (well, .nosrc.rpm actually) which end users can 
rebuild themselves.

http://elrepo.org/linux/elrepo/el5/SRPMS/wl-kmod-5_100_82_38-1.el5.elrepo.nosrc.rpm
http://elrepo.org/linux/elrepo/el6/SRPMS/wl-kmod-5_100_82_38-2.el6.elrepo.nosrc.rpm

Because these packages do not contain or redistribute anything from 
Broadcom they are not subject to Broadcom's licensing, hence we feel we 
are able to distribute them if they benefit the community. I think we 
have some detailed directions somewhere on how to build the packages 
from our SRPMS so perhaps one of my colleagues will get that posted up 
shortly.

Hope that helps.

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Re: [CentOS] HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

2011-07-05 Thread Kaushal Shriyan
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:14 PM, John Doe  wrote:
> From: Kaushal Shriyan 
>
>> I am trying to install CentOS 5.6 on HP DL 180 G6 which has HP Smart
>> Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver. I have 4 * 500 GB SATA HDD
>> and configured RAID 1+0 using System BIOS, the BIOS detects usable
>> disk space as 940GB disk space, when i start installing the OS, it
>> does not detect HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver
>> As per
>> http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=3884339&swItem=MTX-ee8b3f5c09a44b8aa259d07d3d&prodNameId=3884340&swEnvOID=4004&swLang=8&taskId=135&mode=4&idx=1
>> Is there a way to get .iso file during installation of CentOS Linux ?
>
> As mark said, did you create one (or more) logical drive(s) after you created 
> the array?
> About the driver, they say: "The successful installation will replace the 
> driver that shipped with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5" which seems to imply 
> that a working driver exists already...
> Also, remember for later that many hp tools/drivers do check the 
> /etc/redhat-release for a specific Redhat release string...
> If they see "CentOS ..." instead of "Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 
> 5 (Tikanga)", it won't install.
>
> JD

Hi again

So what i understand is disable RAID mode on the BIOS and enable AHCI
mode and install the OS and install driver rpm and use the HP
proprietary solution and it would be a software raid or use mdadm
software RAID as provided by the OS ?

Please help me understand.

Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

2011-07-05 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>Please help me understand.

If the device requires an additional driver, unless its packaged as a dd for 
use at
install, how can you install and then add a driver?

Disable RAID mode, set it to AHCI, then Anaconda will see all the individual 
discs
at which point during install you can choose to setup Linux md raid, far simpler
and almost always better than software raid IMHO.

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Re: [CentOS] HP Smart Array B110i SATA RAID Controller Driver

2011-07-05 Thread Kaushal Shriyan
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Joseph L. Casale
 wrote:
>>Please help me understand.
>
> If the device requires an additional driver, unless its packaged as a dd for 
> use at
> install, how can you install and then add a driver?
>
> Disable RAID mode, set it to AHCI, then Anaconda will see all the individual 
> discs
> at which point during install you can choose to setup Linux md raid, far 
> simpler
> and almost always better than software raid IMHO.
>
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Hi Joseph L Casale

>
>That thing is a software raid setup iirc, although there is an rpm for it
>post install, you could use the ddkit from rhel to make a dd image but
>frankly I would just use mdraid, turn off the riad setup and just use AHCI.

Thanks for the quick reply and explanation. You said use dd kit from
rhel and create a linux device driver image and supply drivers during
OS installation.  dd command i suppose. Please further suggest.

I have extracted the rpm file and it has hpahcisr.o file. Am i
understanding you correctly ?

Thanks again

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Re: [CentOS] Need the CentOS 4.3 i386 ISO

2011-07-05 Thread Digimer
On 07/05/2011 05:34 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:15 -0400 CentOS mailing list  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm trying to rebuild a pretty old server. For this, I need a copy of
>> the CentOS 4.3 i386 DVD ISO, ideally. The torrent on the CentOS vault is
>> not working... Does anyone have a copy of:
>>
>> CentOS-4.3-i386-binDVD.iso (md5sum: ca5ccf17951f4b4ef0460c7847e0f2ac)
>>
>> Kicking around? I'd be much obliged if I could get a copy. :)
>
> I have a set of 4.3 *CDs* I bought way back when from Cheapbytes.  Will
> this do?

The CD ISOs are available on the archive, I do believe. I had hoped to 
avoid merging the CDs into a http-accessible directory and merging the 
repos, if I can avoid it. I'll be installing as a Xen domU, so having a 
single ISO also makes it easier to just boot off of the one image, 
rather than needing to swap out mounted ISOs.

Very kind of you to offer though! :)

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Re: [CentOS] Need the CentOS 4.3 i386 ISO

2011-07-05 Thread Digimer
On 07/05/2011 05:48 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 07/05/11 1:51 PM, Digimer wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  I'm trying to rebuild a pretty old server. For this, I need a copy of
>> the CentOS 4.3 i386 DVD ISO, ideally. The torrent on the CentOS vault is
>> not working... Does anyone have a copy of:
>>
>> CentOS-4.3-i386-binDVD.iso (md5sum: ca5ccf17951f4b4ef0460c7847e0f2ac)
>>
>>  Kicking around? I'd be much obliged if I could get a copy. :)
>>
>
>
> why not 4.latest?
>
> 4.8 is here both as a download and a torrent
> ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/pub/centos/4/isos/i386/

It's a very heavily modified, and quite old, machine. We're going to 
move away from it to a modern release, but until then, we don't want to 
risk breaking anything. For this reason, we want to stick to the 4.3 
install on the current server.

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Re: [CentOS] Power-outage

2011-07-05 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 05 July 2011 21:31:50 Bowie Bailey wrote:
> On 7/2/2011 7:34 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > I could in principle imagine all that coming in the future, but the
> > "monitor == shades" thing is just only Fi with no Sci in it. A human eye
> > cannot focus properly on any object which is closer to the eye than 10-15
> > cm (depending on the eye quality), so there is absolutely no way one can
> > use shades or contact lenses or something similar as a monitor,
> > regardless of technological levels of any human or alien races (James
> > Bond notwithstanding). Unless of course one surgically adapts the eye
> > lense itself, in which case the person would not be able to see anything
> > else... ;-)
> 
> Hmm...something like this perhaps?
> 
> http://www.i-glassesstore.com/i-3d.html
> 
> Still a bit bulky and expensive, but not impossible.  These apparently
> use a lens of some sort to allow the eye to focus at 5' while wearing
> them.  I had the chance to play with a pair of these 10 years ago.  At
> that time, the resolution sucked and they were about 1.5" thick.  They
> had built-in motion tracking.  Playing Descent with those things was a
> blast!  :)

Well, yes, sure, but they have to have this lens to allow the eye to focus 
properly, as you said. This means two crucial things: (a) they have to be 
bulky, and (b) there is no way to make them transparent, so that a person can 
watch the monitor picture and the outside world simultaneously.

By (b) I mean having computer graphics overlayed on top of real-world scenery 
(like in Terminator or Robocop movies). I'm just saying that this kind of 
overlay is impossible to achieve with a regular human eye, except with very 
bulky equipment hanging off your head 15 cm in front of your face.

Anyway, for both of the above reasons, these AV-headsets don't qualify even as 
a predecessor of "monitor-shades" (which are by assumption thin and 
transparent). These things are used for virtual reality applications, and they 
have existed for some time now. But as long as they cut you off from real 
world, I cannot consider them as "shades" in any way. ;-)

Best, :-)
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Re: [CentOS] mounting a CentOS 5.5-based NFS partitions from a Mac OS X machine

2011-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Rob Kampen  wrote:
> Boris Epstein wrote:
>>>
>>> Is the OS X firewall blocking nfs?
>>>
>>> How are you mounting the export? If you're not trying it from within
>>> Terminal, does it work from within it?
>>
>> The OS X firewall dos not appear to be a factor. Actually it works
>> just fine when I turn off the firewall on the CentOS end.
>>
>> Could it be that even when I am trying to mount over the TCP the NFS
>> client on the Mac OS X side still tried to connect to some UDP port? I
>> am asking that because everyone else mounts just fine with the
>> firewall up on the server end.
>
> As I recall OS X only does NFS via TCP - other clients can use UDP - make
> sure your CentOS firewall has the TCP ports open.

OS X does use TCP but I've just run tcpdump on an F15 VM while
mounting and unmounting an NFS share from my Mac. Both the mount and
umount result in four UDP packets, two to the portmapper and two to
random ports.

I don't have time to experiment further right now but perhaps opening
up 111 UDP will allow your Macs to mount the NFS shares.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS on the HP MicroServer

2011-07-05 Thread Devin Reade
I was looking at the marketing hype on those machines, and they look
like they take a standard 3.5" SATA drive.  OTOH, some pictures of 
the HP model drives for the microserver look like there's some type
of handle on the front.  I'm assuming that this is the "hard disk
carrier" mentioned in the installation manual.

Does the basic microserver ship with four of those drive carriers,
or do they have to be purchased separately?

Also, would anyone who has a CentOS-based microserver with a
remote access card care to share any observations about that
card, such as integration aspects and accessing it in a 
completely windows-free environment?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS on the HP MicroServer

2011-07-05 Thread John R Pierce
On 07/05/11 8:04 PM, Devin Reade wrote:
> Does the basic microserver ship with four of those drive carriers,
> or do they have to be purchased separately?
>
> Also, would anyone who has a CentOS-based microserver with a
> remote access card care to share any observations about that
> card, such as integration aspects and accessing it in a
> completely windows-free environment?

indeed, it ships with the 4 drive trays.  Note they are not advertised 
as hot swap, I believe this is probably because there is no SES 
(enclosure services) and Windows in particular is not happy about 
hotswapping disks without one.   afaik, if you go to the trouble of 
using the mdadm commands on linux to take the drive offline before 
removing it, you should be able to 'warm swap' as there's nothing in the 
hardware preventing it, and the SATA connector is inherently 
electrically safe for hotswap.

I haven't actually used one but the Remote Access Card provides a web 
based KVM, and if its anything like iLO Advanced (various websites seem 
to think its equivalent), it likely uses a Java-in-your-browser based 
VNC implementation for the remote VGA, so this should be pretty easy to 
get going with Firefox+Java on a 'nix platform.   Several sites say it 
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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread Charles Polisher
> On 07/05/11 7:10 AM, Charles Polisher wrote:
> > In general and with some simplifiying assumptions, a database
> > consists of statically pre-allocated files. The process of extending
> > the files happens at birth. The relative speed over the lifetime
> > of the database is dominated by raw I/O, not by extending the files.
> 
> thats not even remotely true of many databases.  PostgreSQL, for 
> example, the files are extended as they are updated/inserted, as are the 
> WAL files.

The PostgreSQL wiki seems to say that database tables are
allocated in 1GB extents. In workloads with which I am
familiar, with an RDBMS the extents don't bounce
around all that much, i.e. the vast majority of writes do
not result in a change to the underlying database's storage
allocation. Once in a while a new extent is allocated.
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/storage-file-layout.html
I suppose there could be exceptions, but I haven't run
across one personally.

The "WAL" files you refer to are apparently database
transaction logs. According to the wiki, these too
are allocated in extents (WAL segments) of 16MB each.

I am not persuaded that the point I was making was
erroneous.

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Re: [CentOS] ext4 in CentOS 5.6?

2011-07-05 Thread John R Pierce
On 07/05/11 9:04 PM, Charles Polisher wrote:
> The PostgreSQL wiki seems to say that database tables are
> allocated in 1GB extents. In workloads with which I am
> familiar, with an RDBMS the extents don't bounce
> around all that much, i.e. the vast majority of writes do
> not result in a change to the underlying database's storage
> allocation. Once in a while a new extent is allocated.
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/storage-file-layout.html
> I suppose there could be exceptions, but I haven't run
> across one personally.

you misread that.

When a table or index exceeds 1 GB, it is divided into
gigabyte-sized/segments/. The first segment's file name is the same
as the filenode; subsequent segments are named filenode.1,
filenode.2, etc. This arrangement avoids problems on platforms that
have file size limitations. ...


Each file is no larger than 1GB (by default), but its written and 
expanded as needed, not in any fixed size increment.


> The "WAL" files you refer to are apparently database
> transaction logs. According to the wiki, these too
> are allocated in extents (WAL segments) of 16MB each.

The wal logs are 16M files, also written sequentially as needed, and 
nearly continuously on a insert/update intensive database.  they are not 
reused, rather, old wal files are deleted (unless you're archiving), and 
new ones are created continuously.


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