Re: [CentOS] kernel: bnx2i: iSCSI not supported, dev=ethX

[Pasi Kärkkäinen]

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:11:41PM -0500, David wrote:
> Running CentOS 5.5 x86_64 on Dell R710 boxes.  I have the server(s) 
> configured for bonding/vlan and will be using iscsi to a SAN.  I am in 
> the pre-deployment stage so I am just setting up the basic cookie cutter 
> configurations so I haven't initiated the iscsi connection to a SAN yet.
> 
> While going through the error messages I noticed this error:
> 
> kernel: bnx2i: iSCSI not supported, dev=ethX.
> 

bnx2i, note the "i", is a hardware iSCSI offloading driver for the bnx2 NICs.

> First time I have seen this error while configuring previous Dell 
> servers, though I noticed most of my older boxes are using the tg3 
> module for the onboard NIC's.
> 
> Has anyone run into this error message and if so does it means what it 
> saysiSCSI not supported for the target device?
> 

It means the iSCSI hardware acceleration is not enabled/possible for that NIC.

Mike: Maybe the message should be made a bit more clear.. :)

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Re: [CentOS] kernel: bnx2i: iSCSI not supported, dev=ethX

[John R Pierce]

  On 08/17/10 12:15 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> kernel: bnx2i: iSCSI not supported, dev=ethX.
> It means the iSCSI hardware acceleration is not enabled/possible for that NIC.
>
> Mike: Maybe the message should be made a bit more clear.. :)



how about

kernel: bnx2i: iSCSI offload not supported, dev=ethX.




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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[John Doe]

From: David McGuffey 

> Looking to buy an inexpensive printer he can use on both  sides of this
> laptop.  Any suggestions?

Bought for the office an Epson C2800n (color laser) for something like 250€ 
(after rebates)...
A bit big, but works fine, PS, 128MB of cache, networked (Windows and cups set 
it up auto-magicaly), descent speed, not too noisy, cheap in the long run...
Ok... it is huge (24.0 Kg)... ^_^

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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[ken]

On 08/17/2010 12:51 AM cornel panceac wrote:
> 
> I heard somewhare that *all* Lexmark printers are well supported
> under linux
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rajagopal
> 
> 
> i've only seen one (big laserjet color , c760 probably, postscript) 
> lexmark printer working in linux.
> 
> otoh, if a printer works in fedora does not meen it will work in centos.
> actually, at one point in time, after replacing fedora core 6 with
> centos 5, i've found out the lowend hp inkjet printer no longer works,
> so i had to replace it with fedora 9 (since it was faster than messing
> with hp* rpms that had yet to be build at that time.)

For about five years now I've been using an Epson Stylus Photo 820.  It
cost me $75 new back then and it's worked with CUPS from Day #1.  And
the "Photo" part of the name isn't BS.  I've printed numerous 8x10"
(bzw. 20.3x25.4 cm) photos and won photo contests with them, so there's
no moaning over the quality of the print-outs.  CUPS allows me to print
in a variety of modes all the way down to a barely legible draft.  It
connects via USB, so when I wanted to print, I'd just turn it on and
plug it into the laptop... then unplug it when I was done.  It isn't a
network printer, but just a few months ago I reconfigured it so that
it's connected with a standard (pretty much legacy now) printer cable to
an old dedicated print server I had laying around since the '90s (a
little Lantronix EPS-2 100) and now it's on the network...  so I don't
have to plug in the USB anymore... if I'm on the network, it's already
connected.  (Yayah!)  This printer's main downer is the cost of the
cartridges: there's two, a black and a three-color, and they cost about
35US each.  They don't last that long either.  But for someone like me,
who doesn't do paper much, that's okay.

To find out if a printer works on Linux, see
.

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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[Robert Heller]

At Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:12:31 +0530 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> Greetings,
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:20 AM, David McGuffey
>  wrote:
> >
> > Looking to buy an inexpensive printer he can use on both sides of this
> > laptop.  Any suggestions?
> >
> > Dave M
> >
> 
> 
> I heard somewhare that *all* Lexmark printers are well supported under linux

It *used* to be that that *inkjets* were not.  The *lasers* are all
PostScript.  (This might have changed since the last time *I* looked at
Lexmark.) 

> 
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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[Max Hetrick]

Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote:

> I heard somewhare that *all* Lexmark printers are well supported under linux

Correct.

Even the cheapest Lexmark inkjets, like the $99 ones, have drivers and 
support available directly off Lexmark's website for Debian and Red Hat 
drivers.

Lexmark support is typically very good for Unix/Linux, and has been for 
quite some time.

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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[Eero Volotinen]

2010/8/17 ken :
>
> On 08/17/2010 12:51 AM cornel panceac wrote:
>>
>>     I heard somewhare that *all* Lexmark printers are well supported
>>     under linux
>>
>>     Regards,
>>
>>     Rajagopal
>>
>>
>> i've only seen one (big laserjet color , c760 probably, postscript)
>> lexmark printer working in linux.
>>
>> otoh, if a printer works in fedora does not meen it will work in centos.
>> actually, at one point in time, after replacing fedora core 6 with
>> centos 5, i've found out the lowend hp inkjet printer no longer works,
>> so i had to replace it with fedora 9 (since it was faster than messing
>> with hp* rpms that had yet to be build at that time.)

Lexmark E120N (N = with network connection) works fine on osx, windows
and also on linux.

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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[Timothy Murphy]

I noticed someone mentioned HP OfficeJet's.
I have a J4580, which is not supported under Centos-5.5.
(In fact, very few OfficeJet's seem to be supported.)

However, Dag Wieers pointed out that one has to install
the latest hplip (together with hpijs and libsane)
from .

I did this, and find the OfficeJet works perfectly now
under CentOS.

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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[Robert Heller]

At Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:40:04 +0200 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> I noticed someone mentioned HP OfficeJet's.
> I have a J4580, which is not supported under Centos-5.5.
> (In fact, very few OfficeJet's seem to be supported.)
> 
> However, Dag Wieers pointed out that one has to install
> the latest hplip (together with hpijs and libsane)
> from .
> 
> I did this, and find the OfficeJet works perfectly now
> under CentOS.

Yes, HP *InkJets* need 'bleeding edge' 'drivers' (which are really just
means that the additional model *names* have been added to the
'driver'), along with the needed .ppd files for the new printers.  I
don't think the new printers require any new actual *code* -- they all
use the same basic raster format and the same basic driver protocol
(they all use the same GS ijs rasterizer).  

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Re: [CentOS] how to use dhcpd and bind with windows 2008 ad domain model?

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Eero Volotinen writes:

> This might be a bit offtopic, but:
> 
> How to run bind and dhcpd as slave on windows 2008 ad domain.
> 
> Is it possible?
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Yeah, bit offtopic. Would like to see this answered on a M$ ml (do they 
even have them?). AFAIK Bind runs on Windows (when I tried it installed and 
ran fine apparently) and should be able to do transfers. No idea how the 
Windows machine being an AD might change this (don't ADs run DNS by 
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No experience with isc dhcpd on Windows.


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[CentOS] apache rewrite

[Craig White]

Is there some easy way to rewrite just the base URL to another URL but
leave all other URL's unmolested?

i.e.

http://www.example.com  = rewrite to another URL

http://www.example.com/files = deliver from the assigned subdirectory

obviously this...
Redirect / http://www.other_url.com
redirects everything

and I don't want /files to be redirected

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Re: [CentOS] how to use dhcpd and bind with windows 2008 ad domain model?

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 09:47 +0400, Eero Volotinen wrote:
> This might be a bit offtopic, but:
> 
> How to run bind and dhcpd as slave on windows 2008 ad domain.
> 
> Is it possible?

You can have the Samba 2008 domain server sync DNS with your Bind
(fairly simple)

I don't know of any way to use ISC DHCPD as a failover for Windows DHCP
server but perhaps the code is there to accomplish it, I just don't
know.

Samba 4 does have some ability to act as a DC in an AD environment but I
don't know if that also includes DNS/DHCP services.

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Re: [CentOS] how to use dhcpd and bind with windows 2008 ad domain model?

[Les Mikesell]

On 8/17/2010 1:06 PM, n...@li.nux.ro wrote:
> Eero Volotinen writes:
>
>> This might be a bit offtopic, but:
>>
>> How to run bind and dhcpd as slave on windows 2008 ad domain.
>>
>> Is it possible?
>>
>
>
> Eero,
>
> Yeah, bit offtopic. Would like to see this answered on a M$ ml (do they
> even have them?). AFAIK Bind runs on Windows (when I tried it installed and
> ran fine apparently) and should be able to do transfers. No idea how the
> Windows machine being an AD might change this (don't ADs run DNS by
> default?).
> No experience with isc dhcpd on Windows.

Bind (running on anything) should be able to slave a zone to a windows 
dns server or AD just following standards.   I don't think there is an 
equivalent for dhcp failover but you could probably run it on two Centos 
servers with the clients registering with the AD server's DNS.

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Re: [CentOS] apache rewrite

[James Hogarth]

Look into either redirectmatch if no mod_rewrite or rewriterule with
mod_redirect

On 17 Aug 2010 18:14, "Craig White"  wrote:
> Is there some easy way to rewrite just the base URL to another URL but
> leave all other URL's unmolested?
>
> i.e.
>
> http://www.example.com = rewrite to another URL
>
> http://www.example.com/files = deliver from the assigned subdirectory
>
> obviously this...
> Redirect / http://www.other_url.com
> redirects everything
>
> and I don't want /files to be redirected
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [CentOS] apache rewrite

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 18:28 +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> Look into either redirectmatch if no mod_rewrite or rewriterule with
> mod_redirect
> 
> On 17 Aug 2010 18:14, "Craig White"  wrote:
> > Is there some easy way to rewrite just the base URL to another URL
> but
> > leave all other URL's unmolested?
> > 
> > i.e.
> > 
> > http://www.example.com = rewrite to another URL
> > 
> > http://www.example.com/files = deliver from the assigned
> subdirectory
> > 
> > obviously this...
> > Redirect / http://www.other_url.com
> > redirects everything
> > 
> > and I don't want /files to be redirected
> > 

ahh - indeed, so many pages and looked at all of the examples but it was
actually easy...

RedirectMatch ^/$ http://example.com

(the use of Match for regex and ^/$ was the key)

Thanks

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Re: [CentOS] apache rewrite

[Alan Hodgson]

On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Craig White  wrote:
> Is there some easy way to rewrite just the base URL to another URL but
> leave all other URL's unmolested?
> 
> i.e.
> 
> http://www.example.com  = rewrite to another URL
> 
> http://www.example.com/files = deliver from the assigned subdirectory
> 
> obviously this...
> Redirect / http://www.other_url.com
> redirects everything
> 
> and I don't want /files to be redirected
> 
> Craig

I think matching on ^/$ with mod_rewrite will do what you want.

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Re: [CentOS] apache rewrite

[Paul Heinlein]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Craig White wrote:

> Is there some easy way to rewrite just the base URL to another URL but
> leave all other URL's unmolested?
>
> i.e.
>
> http://www.example.com  = rewrite to another URL
>
> http://www.example.com/files = deliver from the assigned subdirectory

   RedirectMatch permanent '^/[/]*$' http://your.other/url/

The more typical regex is '^/$', but I've found that matching 
otherwise meaningless trailing slashes isn't a bad idea.

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Re: [CentOS] apache rewrite

[Les Mikesell]

On 8/17/2010 12:14 PM, Craig White wrote:
> Is there some easy way to rewrite just the base URL to another URL but
> leave all other URL's unmolested?
>
> i.e.
>
> http://www.example.com  = rewrite to another URL
>
> http://www.example.com/files = deliver from the assigned subdirectory
>
> obviously this...
> Redirect / http://www.other_url.com
> redirects everything
>
> and I don't want /files to be redirected


If you are using RewriteRules, you can use the [PT,L] flags to force 
matches to be handled immediately without changes or checking for 
additional matches, so:
RewriteRule  ^/files - [PT,L]
would make everything under /files be handled from the original location 
regardless of subsequent rewrites.  ^/* would probably work too.

Then you can use
RewriteRule  ^/$  http://www.other_url.com [R,L]
for the redirect.   This approach makes it fairly easy to mix and match 
content from old/new locations during a transition.   Or you can proxy 
some pages with the P flag if you don't want to expose the new location.

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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[Mark]

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan
 wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:20 AM, David McGuffey
>  wrote:
>>
>> Looking to buy an inexpensive printer he can use on both sides of this
>> laptop.  Any suggestions?
>>
> I heard somewhare that *all* Lexmark printers are well supported under linux
>

Unless Lexmark printers have undergone a revolutionary transformation
in terms of quality and long-term reliability, I would stick to
Brothers and HPs.

My last experience with a Lexmark printer was about six years ago, and
they were worth what I paid for them - next to nothing.

FWIW

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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[nux]

Mark writes:

> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan
>  wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:20 AM, David McGuffey
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking to buy an inexpensive printer he can use on both sides of this
>>> laptop.  Any suggestions?
>>>
>> I heard somewhare that *all* Lexmark printers are well supported under linux
>>
> 
> Unless Lexmark printers have undergone a revolutionary transformation
> in terms of quality and long-term reliability, I would stick to
> Brothers and HPs.

Actually they have! (they say):

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=lexmark_linux&num=1

> 
> My last experience with a Lexmark printer was about six years ago, and
> they were worth what I paid for them - next to nothing.
> 
> FWIW
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

[Todd Denniston]

Jason Pyeron wrote, On 08/12/2010 09:27 AM:
>  
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Todd Denniston
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:07
>> Jason Pyeron wrote, On 08/12/2010 08:01 AM:

>> Assumption: the time servers that you are following 
>> (192.168.1.6[57]) are:
>>  a) each following the same timeserver(s), or at least 
>> have one in common.
> 
> 192.168.1.6[567] are one machine. 

I am not sure how much trouble that fact alone is going to give you.

It at least explains why you constantly see the following repeating in your log
00:00:01 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65, stratum 3
00:00:08 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.66, stratum 3
00:00:14 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.67, stratum 3
As each one of the VIPs "becomes better" ntp switches too it instead of 
stabilizing on one and then
stabilizing the devserver21 system clock.

> Time on that one is/has been good. Other
> machines in the enterprise follow it accurately.
> 

yes&no... I suspect they would all do a better job following it, if you picked 
only one of it's IPs
for them to use.  By quarrying the same host but by different IPs I think you 
are messing up the
integration/differentiation routines ntp tries to use.

> 
>> one problem that you have is that your timeserver farm 
>> (192.168.1.6[57]) is occasionally loosing its servers, i.e. 
>> we see "synchronized to LOCAL(0)" occasionally, which should 
> 
> That was on a ntp client, not the ntp server. Am I misunderstanting you?

Because the *client* was going back to "synchronized to LOCAL(0)", we then know 
the *server* is
loosing it's servers and thus refuses to answer time requests, either that or
a) the network between *this* client (devserver21) and the server 
(192.168.1.6[567]) is un-reliable.
   hardware, cables, network stacks, local RF generators...
b) the triplet of IPs referring to one machine confuses the ntp client.

on the client try

for i in 65 66 67;
do
  echo "data for $i"
  /usr/sbin/ntpdc  -c 'showpeer 192.168.1.$i' | \
 grep -e reach -e stratum
done

and see what the reach, unreach and stratum are, especially during one of the 1 
to 5 minute periods
devserver21 is using local clock.


> 
>> the second problem is that a machine which is not intended to 
>> be a time server is configured with a local clock with a 
>> stratum better than 15.
>>
> 
> I don't understand, I will have to read up more.
short way to say this: the machine you are asking for help on (devserver21), is 
intended to ONLY be
a ntp client, and it should not ever offer time up to other machines if it is 
running on local
clock.  The way to make that happen is push the fudged stratum to 15.

> 
>> suggestion 1: 65 should have local clock at stratum 13, 66 
>> and 67 should have local clock at stratum
> 
> They are presently one machine.

Then that one ntp *server* machine (192.168.1.65) should be configured to have 
a local clock at
stratum 13, for when it can not reach external clock but you still want all 
internal machines synced
fairly close.




In another email I thought you tried to indicate that your client machines 
refused to pickup time,
if you only had one ntp server on the network.
That _should_ not be true, unless the server:
A) had not yet gotten it's own clock disciplined to an external clock, which 
can take 10 to 15
minutes the first time, and 8 to 10 after the drift file has been built if you 
are not using the
iburst keyword. i.e., on the server `/usr/sbin/ntpdc -c kerninfo |grep ^status` 
needs to show "0001
 pll"
or
B) has no external clock available at the time of test, and local clock is not 
defined on the ntp
server(192.168.1.65) (or at low enough stratum), and it  will still take 8 to 
10 minutes (of
connected to external or local clock time) from ntp startup before the server 
provides time.

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[CentOS] SDA and HDA

[Matt]

With the default settings in my Supermicro motherboard CentOS calls my
SATA drive /dev/hda.  If in bios setup I change 'Native Mode
Operation' from auto to 'Serial ATA' it boots up calling the drive
/dev/sda.  I keep thinking its likely better under /dev/sda not?  Any
problem switching it to that after install?

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Re: [CentOS] SDA and HDA

[Hannes Frederic Sowa]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Matt  wrote:
> With the default settings in my Supermicro motherboard CentOS calls my
> SATA drive /dev/hda.  If in bios setup I change 'Native Mode
> Operation' from auto to 'Serial ATA' it boots up calling the drive
> /dev/sda.  I keep thinking its likely better under /dev/sda not?  Any
> problem switching it to that after install?

If you have setup lvm and use labels for mounting your filesystem, the
change should be hassle free. Otherwise you have to check grub.conf
for the root parameter and change blockdevices in /etc/fstab.
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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[Mark]

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:31 PM,   wrote:
> Mark writes:
>>
>> Unless Lexmark printers have undergone a revolutionary transformation
>> in terms of quality and long-term reliability, I would stick to
>> Brothers and HPs.
>
> Actually they have! (they say):
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=lexmark_linux&num=1
>

The article doesn't address the quality and reliability issues, mainly
just that Lexmark supplies drivers for certain Linux distros (not
including CentOS, BTW).  It's a big step in the right direction, but
I'd like to know what they think of that printer after six months of
moderate home use.

Mark
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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[David McGuffey]

On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 16:30 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 08/16/10 4:23 PM, Utt, Lyle wrote:
> > I run a Brother HL-2040 by usb cable at home.
> > Works fine out of the box.
> 
> and its replacement HL-2140 is $79 at Amazon
> http://www.amazon.com/Brother-HL-2140-Personal-Laser-Printer/dp/B0010Z1W06
> has linux CUPS and LPR drivers  
> http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html
> and uses the same TN-360 2500 page toners as my MFC...
> 
> 
After reading numerous responses and checking with "linuxprinting" (now
"openprinting") I'll probably try to find a Brother B&W laser and avoid
the inkjet models.

The boy has in the past, saved the files to a USB stick, gone to a
campus computer lab (they are in nearly every building these days), and
printed there.  Since he lives off-campus, that is about the same PITA
as rebooting to Win7 and using MS Office to print the document(s).

The low-end Cannon printer he has came bundled with the laptop through
the campus bookstore (his freshman year). Hind-sight is always 20-20,
and knowing what I know now, I would not have allowed him to purchase
the bundle.  The younger son (2 years behind) went to school with a Mac,
no printer, and prints from the campus network.

Thanks to all who responded.

Dave M


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Re: [CentOS] how to use dhcpd and bind with windows 2008 ad domain model?

[Eero Volotinen]

2010/8/17 Les Mikesell :
> On 8/17/2010 1:06 PM, n...@li.nux.ro wrote:
>> Eero Volotinen writes:
>>
>>> This might be a bit offtopic, but:
>>>
>>> How to run bind and dhcpd as slave on windows 2008 ad domain.
>>>
>>> Is it possible?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Eero,
>>
>> Yeah, bit offtopic. Would like to see this answered on a M$ ml (do they
>> even have them?). AFAIK Bind runs on Windows (when I tried it installed and
>> ran fine apparently) and should be able to do transfers. No idea how the
>> Windows machine being an AD might change this (don't ADs run DNS by
>> default?).
>> No experience with isc dhcpd on Windows.
>
> Bind (running on anything) should be able to slave a zone to a windows
> dns server or AD just following standards.   I don't think there is an
> equivalent for dhcp failover but you could probably run it on two Centos
> servers with the clients registering with the AD server's DNS.

Well, windows usually does not follow standards without own microsoft  tricks.

If bind works with windows ad, it might require very special
configuration. (because ad is using RR and similar for it's own
purpose)
also dhcp requires authorization from ad (http://blog.studiographic.nl/?p=219)

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Re: [CentOS] Need tip on an inexpensive printer for college student using CentOS 5.5

[allan]

Hi,

I have heard the European Cannon web sites have Linux drivers whereas the US 
sites do not. I have not verified this but 
it might be worth a look.
Peace,
Allan


David McGuffey wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 16:30 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
>> On 08/16/10 4:23 PM, Utt, Lyle wrote:
>>> I run a Brother HL-2040 by usb cable at home.
>>> Works fine out of the box.
>> and its replacement HL-2140 is $79 at Amazon
>> http://www.amazon.com/Brother-HL-2140-Personal-Laser-Printer/dp/B0010Z1W06
>> has linux CUPS and LPR drivers  
>> http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html
>> and uses the same TN-360 2500 page toners as my MFC...
>>
>>
> After reading numerous responses and checking with "linuxprinting" (now
> "openprinting") I'll probably try to find a Brother B&W laser and avoid
> the inkjet models.
> 
> The boy has in the past, saved the files to a USB stick, gone to a
> campus computer lab (they are in nearly every building these days), and
> printed there.  Since he lives off-campus, that is about the same PITA
> as rebooting to Win7 and using MS Office to print the document(s).
> 
> The low-end Cannon printer he has came bundled with the laptop through
> the campus bookstore (his freshman year). Hind-sight is always 20-20,
> and knowing what I know now, I would not have allowed him to purchase
> the bundle.  The younger son (2 years behind) went to school with a Mac,
> no printer, and prints from the campus network.
> 
> Thanks to all who responded.
> 
> Dave M
> 
> 
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