Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-06 Thread Ian Forde
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 22:47 -0500, Brian Mathis wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Miguel Medalha  wrote:
> > I am about to install a new server running CentOS 5.4. The server will
> > contain pretty critical data that we can't afford to corrupt.
> >
> > I would like to benefit from the extra speed and features of a ext4
> > filesystem but I don't have any experience with it.
> > Is there some member of the list who can enlighten me on whether ext4 is
> > mature enough to be used on a production server without too much risk?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> 
> Regardless of the technical issues offered here, ask yourself this: Do
> you really want to be experimenting with a new file system on a
> production server with "pretty critical data"?  Since you asked about
> "too much risk", I think you already answered the question.
> 
> Any sane process would involve installing it on a low priority test
> server, running for a while to see how it goes, and learning about new
> features or tools.  After you've done that on a few lower priority
> servers, for maybe a year or so, then you might start to _think_ about
> using it on a production server like this.
> 
> My guess is that any additional speed can come from tuning other areas
> of your server and disk subsystem.  What hardware do you have?  What
> kind of disks?  Using RAID?  What level?  Have you looked into
> aligning your partitions with the RAID blocks?  I'm sure that some of
> the hardcore disk I/O people on the list can ask better questions and
> give more meaningful recommendations.

Funny that - that's the kind of answer I was hoping to see on this list.
The key issue was the fact that it's a production server.  As a data
point, I've been using mythtv at home for about 6 years.  (Has it really
been that long? Wow!)  During that time, I've been using XFS filesystems
for media storage for about the last 4 or 5.  I haven't had a problem
with it yet, though that doesn't preclude the possibility of it
occurring at some later date.

(Even, now that I've written this, it may fail several seconds from now,
given that I may have jinxed it!)

Anyhoo - due to this experience with it for my data at home which is
constantly been written and rewritten - (mythtv is pretty intensive on
systems - run it for a few years and BELIEVE ME - you'll find out where
the weak points in various OS components are...) I've found XFS safe
enough to use at work on production database servers.

It works for me.  It may not for you, but I'm happy so far.

Again - this may all change tomorrow, but YMMV, as there's no such thing
as software liability, and open source may eat your cat, make your dog
toss its cookies on your lap, and cause the universe to unspool itself
in your Wheaties tomorrow.  We all take our chances, and it's a matter
of how much risk we're willing to shoulder.  As I said, I went through
my process and deemed it acceptable...

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[CentOS] OT: How can I tell if a web site is now blocking IPs from my country?

2009-12-06 Thread Lanny Marcus
I have always been able to browse, without any problems,
http://www.mobile-review.com/index-en.shtml  but for the past 2 or 3
days, Mozilla Firefox just hangs "connecting to "   How can I tell
if they have started blocking IP addresses from Colombia?   I would
like to do that, before I post to the IPCop mailing list. I have my
IPCop box set up to do DNS Caching, so possibly something went awry
there.  I use OpenDNS.com and I refreshed their Cache for this web
site. I am not having problems browsing other web sites.  The site is
up and my desktop is dual boot and the same thing happens if I boot to
M$ Windows.  TIA!

An error occurred while loading http://www.mobile-review.com/index-en.shtml:
Timeout on server
 Connection was to www.mobile-review.com at port 80

An error occurred while loading http://www.mobile-review.com/:
Timeout on server
 Connection was to www.mobile-review.com at port 80

above is with Konqueror web browser

http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.mobile-review.com/index-en.shtml

It's just you. http://www.mobile-review.com is up.

above from http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/

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Re: [CentOS] OT: How can I tell if a web site is now blocking IPs frommy country?

2009-12-06 Thread Neil Aggarwal
Lenny:

> days, Mozilla Firefox just hangs "connecting to "   How can I tell
> if they have started blocking IP addresses from Colombia?

Try using a few traceroute servers to see if other IP addresses 
from Colombia other countries are able to get to them.

Other than that, I don't think you can tell from the
outside.

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[CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Anyone got a reco on a package that can collect netflow data and accept user 
defined queries
for specific data, like what an ip did every hour for some said interval?

Thanks!
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Re: [CentOS] OT: How can I tell if a web site is now blocking IPs frommy country?

2009-12-06 Thread Lanny Marcus
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Neil Aggarwal  wrote:
>> days, Mozilla Firefox just hangs "connecting to "   How can I tell
>> if they have started blocking IP addresses from Colombia?
>
> Try using a few traceroute servers to see if other IP addresses
> from Colombia other countries are able to get to them.
>
> Other than that, I don't think you can tell from the
> outside.

Neil: Thank you!  I didn't know trace route servers existed. From the
below, it looks to me as if there may be  a problem, at the router
past the last one I was able to get to, since the University of
Maryland and Careleton University trace route servers also got stuck,
just past where I got stuck. Possibly it's intermittent, since the
site is showing "up" and I was able to get to it, using an Anonymous
Web Browser. Snow in Houston?:-)Lanny

from the University of Maryland:
Enter an IP address or Hostname:
Remote Host: 190.1.x.x (full IP deleted by Lanny)

 1  Vlan5.css-nts-r1.net.umd.edu (128.8.5.60)  0.516 ms

16  te2-3-11-cerber.msk.citytelecom.ru (217.65.1.246)  138.679 ms
17  ixbt-gw.msk.datahouse.ru (89.188.100.110)  138.343 ms


from Carleton University in Canada:

traceroute: Warning: Multiple interfaces found; using 134.117.14.35 @ hme0
traceroute to 217.65.6.13 (217.65.6.13), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  unix-gate.physics.carleton.ca (134.117.14.1)  2.629 ms  0.554 ms  0.462 ms
 
16  te2-3-11-cerber.msk.citytelecom.ru (217.65.1.246)  145.947 ms
145.750 ms  145.992 ms
17  89.188.100.110 (89.188.100.110)  142.142 ms  141.960 ms  141.842 ms


[la...@dell2400 ~]$ traceroute mobile-review.com
traceroute to mobile-review.com (217.65.6.13), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  ipcop233 (192.168.10.1)  0.603 ms  0.524 ms  0.533 ms
 
  22  te2-3-11-cerber.msk.citytelecom.ru (217.65.1.246)  219.849 ms
223.813 ms  218.912 ms

[la...@dell2400 ~]$ ping mobile-review.com
PING mobile-review.com (217.65.6.13) 56(84) bytes of data.
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Re: [CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Alan McKay
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Joseph L. Casale
 wrote:
> Anyone got a reco on a package that can collect netflow data and accept user 
> defined queries
> for specific data, like what an ip did every hour for some said interval?

well, collecting is pretty easy of course - tcpdump.
And you can load the files into wireshark to query.

Though it is probably not just what you want.

In my  old job I set up a sniffer appliance which basically ran
tcpdump on any interface except the main interface, and logged it all
in circular log files of a certain size.  And the directory where
these were kept were served out via the web server so that anyone
could surf to the box and grab log files to look at.

You may also want to have a look at what ntop can do these days - it
has been a few years since i've looked at it.

But of course this all assumes the traffic is visible to your CentOS
box.  For my sniffer appliance the way to deploy it was that all the
other NICs except the main one got plugged into a mirror port on the
switch, which mirrored the particular PC we wanted to sniff.  In our
case this was fine because we only monitored our product which was a
VOIP appliance we were developing.

Alternately, running this on your router will pick up most of what you
want - but obviously not local LAN traffic


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Re: [CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Timo Schoeler
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thus Alan McKay spake:
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Joseph L. Casale
>  wrote:
>> Anyone got a reco on a package that can collect netflow data and accept user 
>> defined queries
>> for specific data, like what an ip did every hour for some said interval?
> 
> well, collecting is pretty easy of course - tcpdump.
> And you can load the files into wireshark to query.
> 
> Though it is probably not just what you want.
> 
> In my  old job I set up a sniffer appliance which basically ran
> tcpdump on any interface except the main interface, and logged it all
> in circular log files of a certain size.  And the directory where
> these were kept were served out via the web server so that anyone
> could surf to the box and grab log files to look at.
> 
> You may also want to have a look at what ntop can do these days - it
> has been a few years since i've looked at it.
> 
> But of course this all assumes the traffic is visible to your CentOS
> box.  For my sniffer appliance the way to deploy it was that all the
> other NICs except the main one got plugged into a mirror port on the
> switch, which mirrored the particular PC we wanted to sniff.  In our
> case this was fine because we only monitored our product which was a
> VOIP appliance we were developing.
> 
> Alternately, running this on your router will pick up most of what you
> want - but obviously not local LAN traffic

Well, netflow is the appropriate technology for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflow

Unfortunately, I don't know a solution for the thread starters question
out of my head, so this was just for clarifying what we're talking
about... ;)

Timo
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Re: [CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Alan McKay
> Well, netflow is the appropriate technology for this:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflow

Oh hey, look at that - I had no idea that was a specific thing :-)

I've seen something like that before - not Netflow obviously - but
I've seen it.   Now I'll just have to remember where :-)


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Re: [CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 11:48:45PM +0100, Timo Schoeler wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> thus Alan McKay spake:
> > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Joseph L. Casale
> >  wrote:
> >> Anyone got a reco on a package that can collect netflow data and accept 
> >> user defined queries
> >> for specific data, like what an ip did every hour for some said interval?
> > 
> > well, collecting is pretty easy of course - tcpdump.
> > And you can load the files into wireshark to query.
> > 
> > Though it is probably not just what you want.
> > 
> > In my  old job I set up a sniffer appliance which basically ran
> > tcpdump on any interface except the main interface, and logged it all
> > in circular log files of a certain size.  And the directory where
> > these were kept were served out via the web server so that anyone
> > could surf to the box and grab log files to look at.
> > 
> > You may also want to have a look at what ntop can do these days - it
> > has been a few years since i've looked at it.
> > 
> > But of course this all assumes the traffic is visible to your CentOS
> > box.  For my sniffer appliance the way to deploy it was that all the
> > other NICs except the main one got plugged into a mirror port on the
> > switch, which mirrored the particular PC we wanted to sniff.  In our
> > case this was fine because we only monitored our product which was a
> > VOIP appliance we were developing.
> > 
> > Alternately, running this on your router will pick up most of what you
> > want - but obviously not local LAN traffic
> 
> Well, netflow is the appropriate technology for this:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflow
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't know a solution for the thread starters question
> out of my head, so this was just for clarifying what we're talking
> about... ;)
> 
> Timo

OP wants nfdump[1].  Great tool.  The web front-end is called nfsen and is
a separate package.

Ray

[1] http://nfdump.sourceforge.net/
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Re: [CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Alan McKay
> I've seen something like that before - not Netflow obviously - but
> I've seen it.   Now I'll just have to remember where :-)

Oh, it was the other day when I was looking at Tobi Oetiker's website.
 And ad on his site for this guy :

http://community.zenoss.org/index.jspa

I have been meaning to download and try it out.   When I took a quick
look at features the other day I think it does this sort of thing.


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Re: [CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Timo Schoeler
thus Alan McKay spake:
>> Well, netflow is the appropriate technology for this:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflow
> 
> Oh hey, look at that - I had no idea that was a specific thing :-)
> 
> I've seen something like that before - not Netflow obviously - but
> I've seen it.   Now I'll just have to remember where :-)

Well, Netflow is usually used at ISPs, and in bigger networks. We have
Netflow running here to do accounting for our colocation customers. The
main use of it, alas, not the only one...

Regards,

Timo

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Re: [CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>OP wants nfdump[1].  Great tool.  The web front-end is called nfsen and is a 
>separate package.

Yea, that looks nice, wow...

In the meantime while I was waiting for feedback I saw that cacti has a netflow 
plugin. Given my
owner dumped this on me short notice before we shut down for holidays (while I 
have other stuff
to cram in before our closure) I am hoping the cacti solution will be quick. If 
it doesn't provide what
I need, I'll look into this, which I am sure after a quick read does what I 
want.

I need to provide records for certain users (known to be associated by ip) on a 
firewall overtime.

Thanks!
jlc
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Re: [CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Jake
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Ray Van Dolson  wrote:

> OP wants nfdump[1].  Great tool.  The web front-end is called nfsen and is
> a separate package.
>
> Ray
>
> [1] http://nfdump.sourceforge.net/
>


Needs, but maybe not "wants." :-P

I used to be in love with ntop, but it has shown to be very unstable in the
last few years (memory leaks, crashing, etc. for version in fedora-epel as
well as latest stable and latest svn checkout..) Ntop is what you want (at
least close to what you want the interface to look like) but i have yet to
find any good netflow analyser that blows my skirt up after having sampled
ntop (stability issues), solarwinds realtime netflow analyser (unknown
reliability, plus only meant for live troubleshooting, not trending),
solarwinds orion netflow module (too cumbersome to navigate to find simple
answers like "what was on the wire during a certain time frame), and the
cisco network analysis module for the 6500 (maybe the best i've seen even if
its interface is ugly as hell.) If anyone has had a good experience with
something user-friendly on the reporting side at least, I'd be thrilled to
hear about it.

nfdump/nfsen does look like it could hold some value but i haven't evaluated
it yet.

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Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:How to compare two files but not in line-by-line basis?

2009-12-06 Thread mark
hadi motamedi wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM, mark  wrote:
> 
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> From: hadi motamedi 
 Can you please do me favor and let me know if I can go further and try
>> for
 advanced search like finding how many rows inside a file have data that
 does not start with a zero after the third comma ?
>>> Something like: awk -F, ' { print $4 } ' | grep -v "^0" | wc -l Use one
>>> command at a time to see how they work with each other (you might have to
>>> modify the grep a bit)...
>> *sigh*
>>
>> Drive me crazy, why use multiple commands?
>>
>> awk -F 'BEGIN { FS = ","; }{if ( $3 !~ /^0 ) { count++; }} END { print
>> count }'
>> filename
> 
> Sorry . I tried for your proposed procedure , as the followings :
> #awk -F 'BEGIN { FS = ","; }{if ( $3 !~ /^0 ) { count++; }} END { print
> count }' HLRSubscriber-2009173349.csv
> But my CentOS server didn't return to the prompt . Can you please let me
> know why it is in an end-less iterated loop ?
> Thank you in advance

Syntax error. You wrote
if ( $3 !~ /^0
not
if ( $3 !~ /^0/

PLEASE: if you ask for help, and someone gives you examples, READ THE MAN PAGES 
SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I could have just as well have given you 
something that would have wiped your system (like system("rm -rf /").

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Re: [CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Alan McKay
> I used to be in love with ntop, but it has shown to be very unstable in the
> last few years (memory leaks, crashing, etc. for version in fedora-epel as

And here I thought it was just my PC.  I finally converted my home PC
to Linux last week (cough, cough Ubuntu cough) and one of the first
things I did was install ntop.  As soon as I started it, my PC hung
solid.


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Re: [CentOS] OT: How can I tell if a web site is now blocking IPs frommy country?

2009-12-06 Thread Ross Cavanagh
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Lanny Marcus wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Neil Aggarwal 
> wrote:
> >> days, Mozilla Firefox just hangs "connecting to "   How can I tell
> >> if they have started blocking IP addresses from Colombia?
> >
> > Try using a few traceroute servers to see if other IP addresses
> > from Colombia other countries are able to get to them.
> >
> > Other than that, I don't think you can tell from the
> > outside.
>
> Neil: Thank you!  I didn't know trace route servers existed. From the
> below, it looks to me as if there may be  a problem, at the router
> past the last one I was able to get to, since the University of
> Maryland and Careleton University trace route servers also got stuck,
> just past where I got stuck. Possibly it's intermittent, since the
> site is showing "up" and I was able to get to it, using an Anonymous
> Web Browser. Snow in Houston?:-)Lanny
>
> from the University of Maryland:
> Enter an IP address or Hostname:
> Remote Host: 190.1.x.x (full IP deleted by Lanny)
>
>  1  Vlan5.css-nts-r1.net.umd.edu (128.8.5.60)  0.516 ms
> 
> 16  te2-3-11-cerber.msk.citytelecom.ru (217.65.1.246)  138.679 ms
> 17  ixbt-gw.msk.datahouse.ru (89.188.100.110)  138.343 ms
>
>
> from Carleton University in Canada:
>
> traceroute: Warning: Multiple interfaces found; using 134.117.14.35 @ hme0
> traceroute to 217.65.6.13 (217.65.6.13), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
>  1  unix-gate.physics.carleton.ca (134.117.14.1)  2.629 ms  0.554 ms
>  0.462 ms
>  
> 16  te2-3-11-cerber.msk.citytelecom.ru (217.65.1.246)  145.947 ms
> 145.750 ms  145.992 ms
> 17  89.188.100.110 (89.188.100.110)  142.142 ms  141.960 ms  141.842 ms
>
>
> [la...@dell2400 ~]$ traceroute mobile-review.com
> traceroute to mobile-review.com (217.65.6.13), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> packets
>  1  ipcop233 (192.168.10.1)  0.603 ms  0.524 ms  0.533 ms
>  
>  22  te2-3-11-cerber.msk.citytelecom.ru (217.65.1.246)  219.849 ms
> 223.813 ms  218.912 ms
>
> [la...@dell2400 ~]$ ping mobile-review.com
> PING mobile-review.com (217.65.6.13) 56(84) bytes of data.
> (and it dies there)
>
> not exactly what your after, but handy sometimes.

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Re: [CentOS] netflow colelction and analysis

2009-12-06 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 06:23:01PM -0500, Jake wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Ray Van Dolson  wrote:
> 
> > OP wants nfdump[1].  Great tool.  The web front-end is called nfsen and is
> > a separate package.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > [1] http://nfdump.sourceforge.net/
> >
> 
> 
> Needs, but maybe not "wants." :-P
> 
> I used to be in love with ntop, but it has shown to be very unstable in the
> last few years (memory leaks, crashing, etc. for version in fedora-epel as
> well as latest stable and latest svn checkout..) Ntop is what you want (at
> least close to what you want the interface to look like) but i have yet to
> find any good netflow analyser that blows my skirt up after having sampled
> ntop (stability issues), solarwinds realtime netflow analyser (unknown
> reliability, plus only meant for live troubleshooting, not trending),
> solarwinds orion netflow module (too cumbersome to navigate to find simple
> answers like "what was on the wire during a certain time frame), and the
> cisco network analysis module for the 6500 (maybe the best i've seen even if
> its interface is ugly as hell.) If anyone has had a good experience with
> something user-friendly on the reporting side at least, I'd be thrilled to
> hear about it.
> 
> nfdump/nfsen does look like it could hold some value but i haven't evaluated
> it yet.

Both definitely fill their niche (actually I believe ntop can handle
netflow data), but nfdump is much more appropriate (IMO) for
colo/billing type situations.

Just saves data to simple files which can be parsed and easily imported
into a DB.  No need for a heavy-weight full-on packet capture system.

Ray
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Re: [CentOS] OT: How can I tell if a web site is now blocking IPs frommy country?

2009-12-06 Thread Lanny Marcus
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Ross Cavanagh  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Lanny Marcus 
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Neil Aggarwal 
>> wrote:
>> >> days, Mozilla Firefox just hangs "connecting to "   How can I tell
>> >> if they have started blocking IP addresses from Colombia?
>> >
>> > Try using a few traceroute servers to see if other IP addresses
>> > from Colombia other countries are able to get to them.
>> >
>> > Other than that, I don't think you can tell from the
>> > outside.
>>
>> Neil: Thank you!  I didn't know trace route servers existed. From the
>> below, it looks to me as if there may be  a problem, at the router
>> past the last one I was able to get to, since the University of
>> Maryland and Careleton University trace route servers also got stuck,
>> just past where I got stuck. Possibly it's intermittent, since the
>> site is showing "up" and I was able to get to it, using an Anonymous
>> Web Browser. Snow in Houston?    :-)    Lanny


>> [la...@dell2400 ~]$ ping mobile-review.com
>> PING mobile-review.com (217.65.6.13) 56(84) bytes of data.
>> (and it dies there)
>>
> not exactly what your after, but handy sometimes.
>
> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
>
> -Ross-

Ross: That's probably the first place I checked and it showed  that
web site was "up" and then I was able to access it, via an anonymous
web browser service. At first, I thought maybe they were blocking
Colombian IPs, or, that I had a problem with the Caching DNS in my
IPCop box, but, now, I believe there is a connectivity problem, in
Russia.  I will try to contact them, so they can troubleshoot the
networking problem.   Lanny
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Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:How to compare two files but not in line-by-line basis?

2009-12-06 Thread Les Mikesell
mark wrote:
> hadi motamedi wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM, mark  wrote:
>>
>>> John Doe wrote:
 From: hadi motamedi 
> Can you please do me favor and let me know if I can go further and try
>>> for
> advanced search like finding how many rows inside a file have data that
> does not start with a zero after the third comma ?
 Something like: awk -F, ' { print $4 } ' | grep -v "^0" | wc -l Use one
 command at a time to see how they work with each other (you might have to
 modify the grep a bit)...
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> Drive me crazy, why use multiple commands?
>>>
>>> awk -F 'BEGIN { FS = ","; }{if ( $3 !~ /^0 ) { count++; }} END { print
>>> count }'
>>> filename
>> Sorry . I tried for your proposed procedure , as the followings :
>> #awk -F 'BEGIN { FS = ","; }{if ( $3 !~ /^0 ) { count++; }} END { print
>> count }' HLRSubscriber-2009173349.csv
>> But my CentOS server didn't return to the prompt . Can you please let me
>> know why it is in an end-less iterated loop ?
>> Thank you in advance
> 
> Syntax error. You wrote
> if ( $3 !~ /^0
> not
> if ( $3 !~ /^0/
> 
> PLEASE: if you ask for help, and someone gives you examples, READ THE MAN 
> PAGES 
> SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I could have just as well have given you 
> something that would have wiped your system (like system("rm -rf /").

Awk is just too weird for normal people.  I wouldn't even suggest reading that 
manual.  If you can't do what you want with regexps and a pipeline of simpler 
programs, you might as well use perl.

But:
grep -v '^.*,.*,.*,0' filename |wc -l
seems simple enough and says what you mean.

Or:
cut -d, -f4 | grep -v '^0' |wc -l

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[CentOS] using an alternate audio driver in C5.4

2009-12-06 Thread Mr. X
Hello,

C5.4 on
Abit kn9 ultra with MCP55 chipset, 
model name  : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+

#lspci
00:06.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)

sudo lsmod | grep hda
snd_hda_intel 584593  1
snd_pcm   116681  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
snd_page_alloc 44113  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd_hwdep  43593  1 snd_hda_intel
snd   100073  11 
snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer

Is there a way to use the ac97 drivers instead of the hda_intel?
I want to explore this cause Qemu has an ac97 driver. If I can make my audio 
compatible with the Qemu sound, then I can use guest and local audio at the 
same time!

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Mark


  
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