Re: [CentOS] post install freezes

[Tru Huynh]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 08:21:01PM -0400, David Mehler wrote:
> Hi,
> Just the standard keys that come with centos.

Please, stop top posting and trim your replies...

Show your ks.cfg, your statement don't match your error report...
(%post with only 'yum -y update'
then GPG key import, ... what else didn't you tell us? )

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[CentOS] Inquiry:What is the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?

[hadi motamedi]

Dear All
Please be informed that I have installed CentOS 5.2 on my client but it does
not have nmap command . Can you please do me favor and let me know what is
the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?
Thank you in advance
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Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:What is the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?

[Frank Cox]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:37:24 +0100
hadi motamedi wrote:

> Please be informed that I have installed CentOS 5.2 on my client but it does
> not have nmap command . Can you please do me favor and let me know what is
> the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?

nmap can be installed using the "yum install nmap" command.

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Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:What is the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?

[Götz Reinicke - IT-Koordinator]

hadi motamedi schrieb:
> Dear All
> Please be informed that I have installed CentOS 5.2 on my client but it
> does not have nmap command . Can you please do me favor and let me know
> what is the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?
> Thank you in advance

Do you want something else? You may install nmap this way:

yum install nmap

It's in the base repository.


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Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:What is the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?

[Oliver Ransom]

On 15/10/2009, at 6:07 PM, hadi motamedi wrote:

> Dear All
> Please be informed that I have installed CentOS 5.2 on my client but  
> it does not have nmap command . Can you please do me favor and let  
> me know what is the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?
> Thank you in advance

There isn't an "equivalent command". If you want to use nmap then  
install it with yum.

"yum install nmap"

I believe it is in the base repository.

Cheers,
Oliver

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Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:What is the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?

[hadi motamedi]

Thank you very much for your reply . But this time it returns "yum command
not found" . Can you please help me ?
Thank you in advance



On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Frank Cox  wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:37:24 +0100
> hadi motamedi wrote:
>
> > Please be informed that I have installed CentOS 5.2 on my client but it
> does
> > not have nmap command . Can you please do me favor and let me know what
> is
> > the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?
>
> nmap can be installed using the "yum install nmap" command.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:What is the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 09:11:07AM +0100, hadi motamedi wrote:
> Thank you very much for your reply . But this time it returns "yum command
> not found" . Can you please help me ?

Might I direct you to the following sites:

http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos
http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ
http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/

You also want to read, all the way through, the information
presented by running the follow command from a shell:

"man yum"

After you go through the above material you will find many
of your questions answered.





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Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:What is the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?

[Juergen Gotteswinter]

he is probably owner of one of those cheap virtuozzo based virtual 
dedicated servers. their default templates do not include yum to prevent 
high load of yum usage on the host systems.

cheers

juergen

John R. Dennison wrote
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 09:11:07AM +0100, hadi motamedi wrote:
>> Thank you very much for your reply . But this time it returns "yum command
>> not found" . Can you please help me ?
> 
>   Might I direct you to the following sites:
> 
>   http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks
>   http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos
>   http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ
>   http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/
> 
>   You also want to read, all the way through, the information
>   presented by running the follow command from a shell:
> 
>   "man yum"
> 
>   After you go through the above material you will find many
>   of your questions answered.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   John
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:What is the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 01:04:43PM +0200, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote:
> he is probably owner of one of those cheap virtuozzo based virtual 
> dedicated servers. their default templates do not include yum to prevent 
> high load of yum usage on the host systems.

I'll see your openvz and raise you an inability to properly
su.  Both of which are covered in the links I posted :)



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[CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[mbneto]

Hi,

The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos
internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'.   Any ETA?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho]

mbneto wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! 
> centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'.   
> Any ETA?
> 

Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release 
date? Go pay for RHEL.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[Mathew S. McCarrell]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:45 AM, mbneto  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos
> internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'.   Any ETA?
>
> - Regards.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS Digest, Vol 57, Issue 14

[tony . chamberlain]

Thanks for the responses.  I think this is what I want to do. I commented out

   #Defaultsrequiretty

in /etc/sudo.  But what I really wanted to do was just place it in VPNUSERS:

 %vpnusers ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/service myciscovpn start, \
 /sbin/service myciscovpn stop,  \
 /sbin/service myciscovpn status, \
 /usr/bin/mycisco, /usr/local/bin/vpnclient

visudo took it but it did not work.  Actually if I could just put it in
user tony that would be best:

  tonyALL=(ALL)   NOPASSWD: ALL !requiretty

But that gives a syntax error.  What is the correct way to specify it?

-Original Message-
> Well, I noticed that ssh/scp probably requires tty and when called
> from a script, its not from a tty.
>
> At least in my case which was drupal calling a script that lauched
> ssh, a non tty source.
>
> I also required running privileged commands.
>
> Mebbe you don't need all this so check your logs and see what happens.
>
My last job, I was setting up rsync backups. What I did was create a user,
backup, then in /etc/sudoers, have !requiretty *only* for that user. The
user was also limited in what commands it could run (in that case, rsync
only).

Don't forget to log in as that user first, so that you don't get the "Oh,
This is a new IP, are you Sure you want to continue connecting?!?!"

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Re: [CentOS] timekeeping on VMware guests

[Phil Schaffner]

Carlos Santana wrote on 10/14/2009 12:13 PM:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Akemi Yagi  wrote:
...
>> I hope you have seen my earlier posts in this thread.  If you are not
>> running the latest kernel (-164), you want to give it a try because it
>> has patches developed by VMWare engineers for RHEL kernels.  If you
>> are already running the -164 kernel, you should not be using the
>> clocksource= option as explained in the upstream bugzilla I cited.

Not to get too far OT, but can anybody comment on how this might apply 
to VirtualBox?

>> Akemi
> 
> Thanks Akemi.
> 
> I am using -128 (2.6.18-128.el5) though.

That's the original 5.3 kernel.  With 5.4 hitting the streets, and a lot 
of security/bug-fix patches along the way, one might consider updating.

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Re: [CentOS] timekeeping on VMware guests

[fred smith]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 09:00:54AM -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote:
> Carlos Santana wrote on 10/14/2009 12:13 PM:
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Akemi Yagi  wrote:
> ...
> >> I hope you have seen my earlier posts in this thread.  If you are not
> >> running the latest kernel (-164), you want to give it a try because it
> >> has patches developed by VMWare engineers for RHEL kernels.  If you
> >> are already running the -164 kernel, you should not be using the
> >> clocksource= option as explained in the upstream bugzilla I cited.
> 
> Not to get too far OT, but can anybody comment on how this might apply 
> to VirtualBox?

Can't comment specifically, except to say that VirtualBox 3.0.8 on my
up to date Centos 5.3 box (with a XP guest) seems to allow the guest
to keep accurate time.

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[CentOS] VMware server on Linux

[m . roth]

Well, one of our boxes is running VMware server, and the admin who set it
up is under the impression that the NIC *has* to be in promiscuous mode.
We, of course, would rather it wasn't.

Is this the case?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS Digest, Vol 57, Issue 14

[m . roth]

> Thanks for the responses.  I think this is what I want to do. I commented
> out
>
>#Defaultsrequiretty
>
> in /etc/sudo.  But what I really wanted to do was just place it in
> VPNUSERS:
>
>  %vpnusers ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/service myciscovpn start, \
>  /sbin/service myciscovpn stop,  \
>  /sbin/service myciscovpn status, \
>  /usr/bin/mycisco, /usr/local/bin/vpnclient
>
> visudo took it but it did not work.  Actually if I could just put it in
> user tony that would be best:
>
>   tonyALL=(ALL)   NOPASSWD: ALL !requiretty
>
> But that gives a syntax error.  What is the correct way to specify it?

For one, I *hope* that you used visudo, and not just vi.

Second, leave the Defaults: requiretty in, put tony as the very last thing
in the file, and put Defaults: !requiretty just above it.

  mark
>
> -Original Message-
>> Well, I noticed that ssh/scp probably requires tty and when called
>> from a script, its not from a tty.
>>
>> At least in my case which was drupal calling a script that lauched
>> ssh, a non tty source.
>>
>> I also required running privileged commands.
>>
>> Mebbe you don't need all this so check your logs and see what happens.
>>
> My last job, I was setting up rsync backups. What I did was create a user,
> backup, then in /etc/sudoers, have !requiretty *only* for that user. The
> user was also limited in what commands it could run (in that case, rsync
> only).
>
> Don't forget to log in as that user first, so that you don't get the "Oh,
> This is a new IP, are you Sure you want to continue connecting?!?!"
>
> mark
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[Jeremy Rosengren]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho <
mig...@ic.unicamp.br> wrote:

> mbneto wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
> > centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'.
> > Any ETA?
> >
>
> Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release
> date? Go pay for RHEL.
>

This response is just as annoying as the request for an update.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[Jake Shipton]

On 15/10/09 14:41, Jeremy Rosengren wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho 
> mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br>> wrote:
>
> mbneto wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
> > centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~
> soon!'.
> > Any ETA?
> >
>
> Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a
> release
> date? Go pay for RHEL.
>
>
> This response is just as annoying as the request for an update.
>
> -- j
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Agreed, doesn't really help. But "mbneto", in the forum, in the "When 
will 5.4 be released" thread, (Massive flame war going on their if you 
want to join in ;-) ) hughesjr said it should be out in a couple of 
days. so not long to wait now :-)

Which you can see here:

https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=22004&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=147

Post #148.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[John Plemons]

Many of the questions are due to ignorance from many of us not versed in 
what it take s to come up with the release.  For Version 5.5 when we get 
that far,  if some one could work up a quick and dirty web page 
checklist showing the basic progress and what steps are left to bring 
the release to the public are detailed for everyone to see, then these 
questions might stop.  And so might the sharp quips given as responses 
to the inquiry. 

Let me say before I get quipped. that I do not have the skills ( haven't 
learned them ) to go through this process of building the release, I'm 
more of a hardware guy. But I really do appreciate all of those who can 
do the work for doing what you do and for the selfless work that you 
do.  You benefit the Linux world through your work and are very much 
loved by us who can't do it...  Again forgive us who can't since we have 
no concept of the time and energy that it takes to do the work.


John Plemons



Jeremy Rosengren wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho 
mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br>> wrote:


mbneto wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
> centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~
soon!'.
> Any ETA?
>

Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a
release
date? Go pay for RHEL.


This response is just as annoying as the request for an update.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[Marcelo M. Garcia]

Jeremy Rosengren wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho 
> mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br>> wrote:
> 
> mbneto wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
>  > centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~
> soon!'.
>  > Any ETA?
>  >
> 
> Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release
> date? Go pay for RHEL.
> 
> 
> This response is just as annoying as the request for an update.
> 
> -- j
+1

Annoying and rude.

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Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:What is the equivalent of nmap command onCentOS 5.2 ?

[Computing]

Then you'll have to install yum first. There should be an RPM out there 
somewhere for doing that. Chances are you'll need to track down some 
dependencies first. That can be a bit of a pain. Good luck.

Pat
  - Original Message - 
  From: hadi motamedi 
  To: Frank Cox 
  Cc: CentOS mailing list 
  Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:What is the equivalent of nmap command onCentOS 
5.2 ?


  Thank you very much for your reply . But this time it returns "yum command 
not found" . Can you please help me ?
  Thank you in advance


   
  On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Frank Cox  wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:37:24 +0100
hadi motamedi wrote:

> Please be informed that I have installed CentOS 5.2 on my client but it 
does
> not have nmap command . Can you please do me favor and let me know what is
> the equivalent of nmap command on CentOS 5.2 ?


nmap can be installed using the "yum install nmap" command.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[Drew Weaver]

Jeremy Rosengren wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho 
> mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br>> wrote:
> 
> mbneto wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
>  > centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~
> soon!'.
>  > Any ETA?
>  >
> 
> Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release
> date? Go pay for RHEL.
> 
> 
> This response is just as annoying as the request for an update.
> 
> -- j
+1

Annoying and rude.


This might be why the Linux community as a whole gets such a bad rap.

-Drew

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Re: [CentOS] VMware server on Linux

[nate]

m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Well, one of our boxes is running VMware server, and the admin who set it
> up is under the impression that the NIC *has* to be in promiscuous mode.
> We, of course, would rather it wasn't.
>
> Is this the case?

If your running a bridge at least yes, maybe with other modes
too. Bridging is the default mode, and is the most flexible.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[Gilbert Sebenste]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Drew Weaver wrote:

>> Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release
>> date? Go pay for RHEL.
>>
>>
>> This response is just as annoying as the request for an update.
>>
>> -- j
> +1
>
> Annoying and rude.
>
> 
> This might be why the Linux community as a whole gets such a bad rap.
>
> -Drew

This whole thread and these answers are uncalled for. All of them, except 
for the original above at the top.

We know that CentOS releases are 4 weeks, plus or minus a few, after the
release of the upstream OS.

Questions of "When it will it be released" are fruitless when, on the 
CentOS main site, they have been clearly answered. 4 weeks, give or 
take a few, with updates on Twitter.

If they are late because YOU think they are, what are you doing to help 
them? The testers have their hands full, and now they must handle flame 
wars, and be discouraged by people lobbing fireballs at them because their 
free OS hasn't been released "on time", according to your liking.

Might I remind everyone that 5.4 was released, in part, a WEEK after it 
came out...remember the security updates? Those were released because 
they didn't affect the functionality of the OS. So in effect, you do have 
some of it on your system already!

Please reconsider what all of you are saying here. I want it out just as 
much as you do...and with some simple investigation, one can find out that 
it's due out in 4 weeks or afterwards, and a simple "tweet" or message 
that we are two weeks behind or something should be fine. I don't care for 
progress reports, graphs to show how things are coming along. That takes 
time away from doing the important work. And I have gotten those updates
fine on Twitter.

Now, could they be better advertised? Is that flawless? No, but nothing 
is. But with simple one or two-line messages that "we're on track", or 
"give us a few more weeks", it should be more than sufficient for you. 
And I've seen that on their Twitter updates page. Not perfect, but still 
an excellent way to see that they're working on it.

Daily/weekly bugging is only going to make people mad, cause friction, and 
a frustrated response like on top which will, obviously, offend some 
people. But if you want it THAT bad, switch to RHEL, or another Linux 
flavor, or Windows. The principal of "you get what you pay for" gets 
blown out of the water with Linux, and by the CentOS team. We have no 
right to be frustrated if it is not on a schedule we want it to be on, 
and certainly not if we aren't helping, or even contributing to the 
slowdown of the release data because of squabbles like this. Sure, I 
wanted it yesterday. And if I REALLY wanted it yesterday, I'd have paid 
for RHEL entitlements instead.

Until then, your security fixes are out (except for a few late ones),
and 5.4 is syncing to the mirrors. On time. Thanks, CentOS development 
team...for those who are very grateful for what you do. I'm patiently 
waiting to see the fine work you've done!

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[mbneto]

Hi Miguel,

Thanks for the reply.  Unfortunately it seems that the 'all or nothing' way
of thinking is more common that I expected.Anyone that read my post can
see that I did not use 'why is it taking so long?' or similar comments that
suggests that I am somewhat angry or anything.

I was just asking for feedback since the last message (from 2 days ago)
suggested that it would be quicker than expected but I may be naive and the
speed of the synchronization is not what I expected or something
happened and it will take longer because of that.

I really think that the core developers are doing the best they can but I
really feel that the communications area may require more time than the
available to prevent my original message (and all the flame war)

I can help with that if I have access to the current state of things.


On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho <
mig...@ic.unicamp.br> wrote:

> mbneto wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
> > centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'.
> > Any ETA?
> >
>
> Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release
> date? Go pay for RHEL.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[Les Mikesell]

Gilbert Sebenste wrote:
>> 
> This whole thread and these answers are uncalled for. All of them, except 
> for the original above at the top.

But virtually guaranteed for any process that isn't transparent. 
Someone must enjoy it.  Maybe the anticipation is supposed to build up 
excitement.

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[CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - "debate"

[Gabriel - IP Guys]

Dear All,

 

If someone asks a question such as "When is Centos 5.4 coming out" bare
in mind that it may be because they genuinely want to know when it's
coming out, and feel that somehow, they have not been privy to that
information. To me, I see CentOS as a polished professional product
given what it is, a repackaging of RHEL, and to that end I have the
expectation of a fully fledged professional product, which includes
static release dates. (I know it's not always possible, so please, no
flames)

 

I say this with love, and all the maturity that goes with it, "I can't
WAIT for CentOS 5.4!!!" but at least I have the luxury of understanding
the process which prevents 5.4 from coming out on a particular day.  The
owners of 600 or so servers out there which I look after, like to
believe they are techie people, because they can use Google, and they
can read a few articles that say Centos 5.4 on the way. I get very
regular emails asking why there server is still on centos 5.2, and I
have to explain, if it's not broke, I'm not fixing it!

 

On TV, when you watch a commercial that tells you of the latest
blockbuster movie - there is a date attached. The next butt kicking FPS
for Xbox 360... has a release date. So many products that have a
"limited" life span (iPods, games consoles, mobile phones, books, songs)
are planned with a "static" release date, and if that date is missed,
bad press is almost a guarantee!

 

The point I'm making, is that people have become used to knowing when
things will happen. (I believe this is illustrated in the number of
people fascinated with Flash Forward! Google is your friend). So, give
them a break - and the idiots that insult other people who obviously do
not understand how things work need to instead take the time, and
understand that the internet is no longer the domain/hangout of the
technically savvy. Even Linux is no longer the realm of only the
technical geniuses, (although there are a lot of us!)

 

When someone asked "When will *CentOS 5.4 come out??* The answer is,
"When it is good and ready", and when they ask "Why/What does that
mean?",  ask them to Google "open source distribution release cycle".
That should keep them busy for long enough for me/you to actually get
some work done J

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[CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[R P Herrold]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:

> But virtually guaranteed for any process that isn't transparent.
> Someone must enjoy it.  Maybe the anticipation is supposed to build up
> excitement.

Thanks for the jab. It is fun to be punched.

If there were not false steps along any path, one would not 
mind being watched -- but point release stabilization and 
testing is an iterative process, finding undocoed 
dependencies,unexpected failure mode in corner cases, and 
such.

It is really not something that the 'doers' particularly want 
to expose to criticism by the 'talkers'.  The distraction 
might be entertaining to the watchers, and provide more 
opportunities to criticise and comment, but that is about it.

I hereby publicly invite anyone who thinks they want to air 
all their missteps along the build process forever, for a 
potential future employer to find via google and so to raise 
questions about their then abilities [and thus silently be 
eliminated from consideration from a position], to join the 
centos-devel mailing list, and run a wholly open parallel 
build

Or, of course, one could could speak by releasing running code 
that just works, as CentOS (and SL) does

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - "debate"

[Les Mikesell]

Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
> > 
> When someone asked “When will **CentOS 5.4 come out??** The answer is, 
> “When it is good and ready”, and when they ask “Why/What does that 
> mean?”,  ask them to Google “*open source distribution release cycle*”. 
> That should keep them busy for long enough for me/you to actually get 
> some work done J

I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality 
is the main reason we aren't using debian.  I don't think CentOS should 
repeat their mistakes.

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CentOS Errata and Security Advisory CESA-2009:1500

xpdf security update for CentOS 3 x86_64:
https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2009-1500.html

The following updated file has been uploaded and is currently syncing to
the mirrors:

x86_64:
updates/x86_64/RPMS/xpdf-2.02-17.el3.x86_64.rpm

source:
updates/SRPMS/xpdf-2.02-17.el3.src.rpm

You may update your CentOS-3 x86_64 installations by running the command:

yum update xpdf

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CentOS Errata and Security Advisory CESA-2009:1500

xpdf security update for CentOS 3 i386:
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The following updated file has been uploaded and is currently syncing to
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i386:
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source:
updates/SRPMS/xpdf-2.02-17.el3.src.rpm

You may update your CentOS-3 i386 installations by running the command:

yum update xpdf

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Re: [CentOS] VMware server on Linux

[m . roth]

> m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Well, one of our boxes is running VMware server, and the admin who set
>> it up is under the impression that the NIC *has* to be in promiscuous
mode.
>> We, of course, would rather it wasn't.
>>
>> Is this the case?
>
> If your running a bridge at least yes, maybe with other modes
> too. Bridging is the default mode, and is the most flexible.
>
*sigh*

We were hoping we could lock it down. Thanks.

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Re: [CentOS] VMware server on Linux

[nate]

m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

> We were hoping we could lock it down. Thanks.

Use ESX, the virtual switches in ESX can have promiscuous mode
disabled on them, while I suspect the uplinks from the host to
the switches have it enabled, the guest VMs cannot access the
wire because it's blocked at the virtual switch level.

http://pubs.vmware.com/vsp40_i/server_config/t_edit_the_layer_2_security_policy_on_a_vswitch.html#1_8_10_7_10_7_1

VMware server is really just a toy, I use it myself(at home)
but wouldn't use it in any situation where security or
performance was important.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[Les Mikesell]

R P Herrold wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
> 
>> But virtually guaranteed for any process that isn't transparent.
>> Someone must enjoy it.  Maybe the anticipation is supposed to build up
>> excitement.
> 
> Thanks for the jab. It is fun to be punched.

It's not fun on the other side of this fence either.  Being kept in the 
dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things.

> If there were not false steps along any path, one would not 
> mind being watched -- but point release stabilization and 
> testing is an iterative process, finding undocoed 
> dependencies,unexpected failure mode in corner cases, and 
> such.

It would be great if others were allowed to learn from any such 
mistakes. Otherwise they are doomed to repeat them.

> I hereby publicly invite anyone who thinks they want to air 
> all their missteps along the build process forever, for a 
> potential future employer to find via google and so to raise 
> questions about their then abilities [and thus silently be 
> eliminated from consideration from a position], to join the 
> centos-devel mailing list, and run a wholly open parallel 
> build

Is that a big problem for the people who write the code and have every 
revision preserved for posterity (and for others to learn from) in a 
public revision control system?

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[CentOS] Sparc?

[ML]

HI All,

I have acquired a Sun Fire VL 240. I know there is not a SPARC version  
of CentOS.

Can anyone recommend a good OS for a machine that will do apache,  
postfix, mysql, etc.

I know this is sort of a loaded question, but I don't have a lot of  
knowledge on distros that are stable on Sparc.

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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[lhecking]

ML writes:
> HI All,
> 
> I have acquired a Sun Fire VL 240. I know there is not a SPARC version  
> of CentOS.
> 
> Can anyone recommend a good OS for a machine that will do apache,  
> postfix, mysql, etc.
> 
> I know this is sort of a loaded question, but I don't have a lot of  
> knowledge on distros that are stable on Sparc.

 Solaris 10. Top notch OS, and comes with ZFS. As does OpenSolaris.
 Recommend to max it out on RAM.


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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[nate]

ML wrote:

> I know this is sort of a loaded question, but I don't have a lot of
> knowledge on distros that are stable on Sparc.

I *think* debian is the only "major" distro left that supports
SPARC to the fullest extent. Though watch out if your running the
latest T1/T2 type processors, last I checked kernel support for
those was somewhat limited still.

http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/

Of course there's always OpenSolaris as well..

nate


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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[Marcelo M. Garcia]

ML wrote:
> HI All,
> 
> 
> Can anyone recommend a good OS for a machine that will do apache,  
> postfix, mysql, etc.
> 
> 
> -Jason

Hi

There are some options, like Debian or Fedora 11 in case of Linux or 
something different try FreeBSD.

Regards

mg.
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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[Timo Schoeler]

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thus Marcelo M. Garcia spake:
> ML wrote:
>> HI All,
>>
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a good OS for a machine that will do apache,  
>> postfix, mysql, etc.
>>
>>
>> -Jason
> 
> Hi
> 
> There are some options, like Debian or Fedora 11 in case of Linux or 
> something different try FreeBSD.

The best BSD on SPARC surely is OpenBSD:

http://openbsd.org/sparc64.html

Have several load balancers based on those running here, like a charm :)

> Regards
> 
> mg.

HTH,

Timo
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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[Larry Vaden]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:44 PM, ML  wrote:
>
> I have acquired a Sun Fire VL 240. I know there is not a SPARC version
> of CentOS.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good OS for a machine that will do apache,
> postfix, mysql, etc.

NetBSD?
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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[ML]

>> I have acquired a Sun Fire VL 240. I know there is not a SPARC  
>> version
>> of CentOS.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a good OS for a machine that will do apache,
>> postfix, mysql, etc.
>>
>> I know this is sort of a loaded question, but I don't have a lot of
>> knowledge on distros that are stable on Sparc.
>
> Solaris 10. Top notch OS, and comes with ZFS. As does OpenSolaris.
> Recommend to max it out on RAM.

Max out RAM? 16gb? How do you figure that?


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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[Timo Schoeler]

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Larry Vaden wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:44 PM, ML  wrote:
>> I have acquired a Sun Fire VL 240. I know there is not a SPARC version
>> of CentOS.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a good OS for a machine that will do apache,
>> postfix, mysql, etc.
> 
> NetBSD?

Don't know if NetBSD is supported on this machine, but I had it running
on a (peeceeish) Ultra 5/440MHz UltraSPARC IIi. It was blazingly fast,
absolutely awesome. The fastest OS I ever installed on it (there was
GNU/Linux, Solaris 9 of course, and OpenBSD). Back then, there was no
OpenSolaris existing.

Have fun!

Timo

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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[ML]

Hi Nate,

>> I know this is sort of a loaded question, but I don't have a lot of
>> knowledge on distros that are stable on Sparc.
>
> I *think* debian is the only "major" distro left that supports
> SPARC to the fullest extent. Though watch out if your running the
> latest T1/T2 type processors, last I checked kernel support for
> those was somewhat limited still.

It has two 1.5 GHz UltraSPARC processors, from what I see.

-Jason
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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[Tim Nelson]

- "ML"  wrote:
> HI All,
> 
> I have acquired a Sun Fire VL 240. I know there is not a SPARC version
>  
> of CentOS.
> 
> Can anyone recommend a good OS for a machine that will do apache,  
> postfix, mysql, etc.
> 
> I know this is sort of a loaded question, but I don't have a lot of  
> knowledge on distros that are stable on Sparc.
> 
> -Jason


I've been an avid Sun/SPARC user/abuser/collector for some time now. For my 
boxes in production, I typically run FreeBSD at it seems to be the closest to 
"Linux world" to keep the learning curve shorter since my roots lie there. It 
is rock solid and performs well, even on older hardware like my Enterprise 
420r. Debian works also although I don't have enough experience with it on 
SPARC to truly comment.

If you're looking for pure usability, *BSD or Debian may be your best bet. If 
you want top notch performance, you're probably better off with (Open)Solaris. 
And of course, it all depends on your comfort level.

There was Aurora Linux at one time for a Redhat based system running on SPARC. 
The site is still available although it appears to be largely dead:  
http://auroralinux.org/ .

If you have any other SPARC related issues/questions, you are more than welcome 
to mail me off-list.

Tim Nelson
Systems/Network Support
Rockbochs Inc.
(218)727-4332 x105
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[CentOS] CentOS build scripts (or equivalent) acessible?

[Mathieu Baudier]

from [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
> Is that a big problem for the people who write the code and have every
> revision preserved for posterity (and for others to learn from) in a
> public revision control system?
>

I'm not sure that I understand.
Is there indeed such a public repository of the build scriptds / RPM
specs used by CentOS?

That would indeed be fascinating and useful to have a look at it.
(I rebuilt libvirt from RedHat SRPM, just to test the some new
virtualization feature of v5.4, and going through the process I kept
wondering how the CentOS team is doing it on all the packages!)
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Re: [CentOS] timekeeping on VMware guests

[MHR]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Akemi Yagi  wrote:
>
> I hope you have seen my earlier posts in this thread.  If you are not
> running the latest kernel (-164), you want to give it a try because it
> has patches developed by VMWare engineers for RHEL kernels.  If you
> are already running the -164 kernel, you should not be using the
> clocksource= option as explained in the upstream bugzilla I cited.
>

I'm a latecomer to this thread, but I went back and read the whole
thing, and my WinXP VMWare Server guest is still way off - more than
an hour.

I turned off the VMWare time sync, and also used the control panel to
turn off its time sync (wasn't working anyway - errors on every
effort), installed meinberg's ntp and ntp sync service, and the time
is still off by more than an hour.

I'm not sure what more I need to do to get this working right.

I am running the 164 kernel - have been since about five minutes after
I installed it

Suggestions?

mhr
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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[m . roth]

> HI All,
>
> I have acquired a Sun Fire VL 240. I know there is not a SPARC version
> of CentOS.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good OS for a machine that will do apache,
> postfix, mysql, etc.

Don't forget, if you don't put another o/s on it,


   mark


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - "debate"

[Ron Blizzard]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Les Mikesell  wrote:
> Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
>> >
>> When someone asked “When will **CentOS 5.4 come out??** The answer is,
>> “When it is good and ready”, and when they ask “Why/What does that
>> mean?”,  ask them to Google “*open source distribution release cycle*”.
>> That should keep them busy for long enough for me/you to actually get
>> some work done J
>
> I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality
> is the main reason we aren't using debian.  I don't think CentOS should
> repeat their mistakes.

Except this is not what the developers of CentOS are saying. They are
saying 2-4 weeks after the Red Hat point release, and that the four
weeks may slip to six weeks. For the sake of argument, just assume
eight weeks out (on the outside) and don't worry about it. Nothing
like armchair generals trying to tell those in the trenches how they
*should* do their job.

-- 
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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[lhecking]

> > Solaris 10. Top notch OS, and comes with ZFS. As does OpenSolaris.
> > Recommend to max it out on RAM.
> 
> Max out RAM? 16gb? How do you figure that?

 Apache and MySQL will definitely benefit from it, but if you don't plan
 on running a busy production server, 2-4GB will probably do.

 I was rather thinking along the lines of how I set up the V100 I got
 last year, but it supports only 2GB ;)


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[Ron Blizzard]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell  wrote:
>
> It's not fun on the other side of this fence either.  Being kept in the
> dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things.

Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently released a
solid distribution. If I have to choose between an arbitrary release
date and a rock solid distribution, guess which way I'm going to go.

I really think the best way to approach this -- since it appears to be
an issue every time there is a point release -- is to figure eight
weeks after the Red Hat release. Then you'll be pleasantly surprised
when the release is out sooner than that.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[aurfalien]

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell  
>  wrote:
>>
>> It's not fun on the other side of this fence either.  Being kept in  
>> the
>> dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things.
>
> Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently released a
> solid distribution. If I have to choose between an arbitrary release
> date and a rock solid distribution, guess which way I'm going to go.
>
> I really think the best way to approach this -- since it appears to be
> an issue every time there is a point release -- is to figure eight
> weeks after the Red Hat release. Then you'll be pleasantly surprised
> when the release is out sooner than that.


Agreed with Ron.

I used RHEL5.4, broke a bunch of stuff so I switched back to Centos 5,3.

I would almost encourage that Centos waits for RHEL patch release to  
the kernel before they release it or bugs just get duplicated.

Or does Centos do that already?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - "debate"

[Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho]

Les Mikesell wrote:
> 
> I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality 
> is the main reason we aren't using debian.  I don't think CentOS should 
> repeat their mistakes.
> 

So what do you suggest? Release the OS with known problems, just to 
satisfy a date and the hysteria caused by Twitter updates? Or release 
something that truly works and it is _very_ reliable? I stay with the 
'we'll release when it's ready'.

You are not using Debian nor Ubuntu because you can rely on CentOS for 
having all the RHEL goodies for free and thank god CentOS' developers do 
think the 'we'll release when it's ready' philosophy. What RPM/Red 
Hat-like Linux distribution provides at least ~30 months of security 
updates and is free of charge (like Debian)? Lets see:

Fedora: extremely cutting edge, constant updates during life cycle, 
12-13 months support.

OpenSUSE: I don't know how cutting edge it is, was 24 months of support, 
new releases will be ~18 months now.

Mandriva: I don't know how cutting edge it is, 18 months.

Too me all of this distributions are completely out of question to use 
on a server.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS build scripts (or equivalent) acessible?

[Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho]

Mathieu Baudier wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure that I understand.
> Is there indeed such a public repository of the build scriptds / RPM
> specs used by CentOS?
> 
> That would indeed be fascinating and useful to have a look at it.
> (I rebuilt libvirt from RedHat SRPM, just to test the some new
> virtualization feature of v5.4, and going through the process I kept
> wondering how the CentOS team is doing it on all the packages!)

http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[RedShift]

aurfal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell  
>>  wrote:
>>> It's not fun on the other side of this fence either.  Being kept in  
>>> the
>>> dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things.
>> Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently released a
>> solid distribution. If I have to choose between an arbitrary release
>> date and a rock solid distribution, guess which way I'm going to go.
>>
>> I really think the best way to approach this -- since it appears to be
>> an issue every time there is a point release -- is to figure eight
>> weeks after the Red Hat release. Then you'll be pleasantly surprised
>> when the release is out sooner than that.
> 
> 
> Agreed with Ron.
> 
> I used RHEL5.4, broke a bunch of stuff so I switched back to Centos 5,3.
> 

Be specific, what "stuff" broke?

> I would almost encourage that Centos waits for RHEL patch release to  
> the kernel before they release it or bugs just get duplicated.
> 

Actually... duplicated bugs is intended.

> Or does Centos do that already?
> 


No, CentOS does not apply any patches that upstream doesn't apply.


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[CentOS] openjdk

[m . roth]

Hey, folks,

  yum is telling me that I need to update openjdk on several servers.
HOWEVER, they've all got openjdk-plugin installed, and yum doesn't want
to update, and tells me there's no openjdk-plugin package to install, at
least for 5.3.

  What I see, googling, is the workaround is to install Sun's java Is
there any openjdk-plugin for java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64
1:1.6.0.0-1.2.b09.el5? If not, and the servers have users running X, is
there any reason for either upgrading, or for that matter, even
installing openjdk, instead of the officious  Sun jdk?

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Re: [CentOS] openjdk

[Phil Schaffner]

m.r...@5-cent.us wrote on 10/15/2009 05:01 PM:
> Hey, folks,
> 
>   yum is telling me that I need to update openjdk on several servers.
> HOWEVER, they've all got openjdk-plugin installed, and yum doesn't want
> to update, and tells me there's no openjdk-plugin package to install, at
> least for 5.3.
> 
>   What I see, googling, is the workaround is to install Sun's java Is
> there any openjdk-plugin for java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64
> 1:1.6.0.0-1.2.b09.el5? If not, and the servers have users running X, is
> there any reason for either upgrading, or for that matter, even
> installing openjdk, instead of the officious  Sun jdk?

Please avoid thread hijacking.

Known bug.  Workarounds are linked from
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=3574

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?

[aurfalien]

>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell
>>>  wrote:
 It's not fun on the other side of this fence either.  Being kept in
 the
 dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things.
>>> Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently  
>>> released a
>>> solid distribution. If I have to choose between an arbitrary release
>>> date and a rock solid distribution, guess which way I'm going to go.
>>>
>>> I really think the best way to approach this -- since it appears  
>>> to be
>>> an issue every time there is a point release -- is to figure eight
>>> weeks after the Red Hat release. Then you'll be pleasantly surprised
>>> when the release is out sooner than that.
>>
>>
>> Agreed with Ron.
>>
>> I used RHEL5.4, broke a bunch of stuff so I switched back to Centos  
>> 5,3.
>>
>
> Be specific, what "stuff" broke?

I'm not going to talk about my RHEL 5.4 bugs on a Centos mailing list  
when Centos 5.4 isn't even out.

But in general;

LSI/ Sun raid card admin software don't work so well in 5.4 on my Sun  
boxes.

Bonding and when used with Xen 3.4.1 no work so well.

These were show stoppers for me.

> No, CentOS does not apply any patches that upstream doesn't apply.

Say RHEL releases a bug fix  just before you release, are you able to  
incorporate the bug fix immediately or do you wait the 6-8 weeks?

Assuming 8 week cycle;

For example, RHEL releases 2.6.18-164, then you get started on it.

On week 6, RHEL then releases 2.6.18-164.7.

At this time, you are about to release 2.6.18-164 in another 2 weeks;

1 - Are you able to incorporate the fixes in 2 weeks?

or

2 - Are you able to push out your rel date until incorporating to  
avoid "here we go again"?

or

3 - Have you ever done this?

This is not meant to be a flame, I enjoy and am very grateful for  
Centos however was always curious about this.
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Re: [CentOS] timekeeping on VMware guests

[Akemi Yagi]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ray Van Dolson  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:55:40AM -0500, Carlos Santana wrote:

>> 1. Kernel options added as:
>> divider=10
>> clocksource=acpi_pm
>>
>> 2. ntp.conf file was modified as per wiki instructions as follows:
>> (add to the top of the file)
>> # modification as per http://kb.vmware.com/kb/1006427
>> # The configuration directive tinker panic 0 instructs NTP not to give up
>> # if it sees a large jump in time and must be at the top of the ntp.conf 
>> file.
>> tinker panic 0
>> # end of mod
>>
>> (comment out 2 lines as below)
>> # modification as per http://kb.vmware.com/kb/1006427
>> # It is also important not to use the local clock as a time source,
>> # often referred to as the Undisciplined Local Clock. NTP has a
>> # tendency to fall back to this in preference to the remote servers
>> # The following 2 lines commented out.
>>
>> # when there is a large amount of time drift.
>> # server        127.127.1.0     # local clock
>> # fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10
>>
>> 3. Create /etc/ntp/step-tickers and add these lines:
>> 0.centos.pool.ntp.org
>> 1.centos.pool.ntp.org
>> --
>>
>> Any missing pointers..?
>
> Looks good to me.  The only issue might be if you have a firewall
> blocking access to the given NTP servers.
>
> What kind of symptoms are you seeing after doin the above, rebooting,
> sync'ing the time, then leaving ntpd doing it's thing?
>
> Does the clock start going too fast?  Too slow?  Do you see any errors
> in dmesg or /var/log/messages?

Indeed, that is a good question.  In /var/log/messages, do you see a
line similar to:

   ntpd[6569]: synchronized to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

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[CentOS] CentOS 5.4 and BitTorrent

[Yves Bellefeuille]

If I remember correctly, when version 5.3 was released, about 95% was 
made available by BitTorrent before the official release date, so that 
the entire file would be available as soon as possible after the 
release.

Could the same be done this time?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4 and BitTorrent

[aurfalien]

> If I remember correctly, when version 5.3 was released, about 95% was
> made available by BitTorrent before the official release date, so that
> the entire file would be available as soon as possible after the
> release.
>
> Could the same be done this time?
>
> -- 
> Yves Bellefeuille 
> "Yves Bellefeuille: Eterna malvenkanto en UEA" -- Heroldo Komunikas,
> n-ro 389

Wow!

Does "patience is a virtue" ring a bell?
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4 and BitTorrent

[nate]

Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> If I remember correctly, when version 5.3 was released, about 95% was
> made available by BitTorrent before the official release date, so that
> the entire file would be available as soon as possible after the
> release.
>
> Could the same be done this time?

Could someone describe to me what the rush is? I mean what drives
the need that you need to have it _right now_ ? Me I always like
to wait at least a week or two to see if others run into issues,
and wait for the mirrors to become less clogged.

nate

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4 and BitTorrent

[aurfalien]

> Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>> If I remember correctly, when version 5.3 was released, about 95% was
>> made available by BitTorrent before the official release date, so  
>> that
>> the entire file would be available as soon as possible after the
>> release.
>>
>> Could the same be done this time?
>
> Could someone describe to me what the rush is? I mean what drives
> the need that you need to have it _right now_ ? Me I always like
> to wait at least a week or two

Thats it?

I figured you for conservative/common sense type :)

I'm waiting for the minor rel on the kernel.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4 and BitTorrent

[Les Mikesell]

nate wrote:
> Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>> If I remember correctly, when version 5.3 was released, about 95% was
>> made available by BitTorrent before the official release date, so that
>> the entire file would be available as soon as possible after the
>> release.
>>
>> Could the same be done this time?
> 
> Could someone describe to me what the rush is? I mean what drives
> the need that you need to have it _right now_ ?

There is always the risk that a critical security vulnerability will be 
discovered with the fix only made available in an update to 5.4.

 > Me I always like
> to wait at least a week or two to see if others run into issues,
> and wait for the mirrors to become less clogged.

It won't do you any good to wait forever if someone doesn't run it to 
find the issues.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4 and BitTorrent

[Robert]

Les Mikesell wrote:
> nate wrote:
>   
>> Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>> 
>>> If I remember correctly, when version 5.3 was released, about 95% was
>>> made available by BitTorrent before the official release date, so that
>>> the entire file would be available as soon as possible after the
>>> release.
>>>
>>> Could the same be done this time?
>>>   
>> Could someone describe to me what the rush is? I mean what drives
>> the need that you need to have it _right now_ ?
>> 
>
> There is always the risk that a critical security vulnerability will be 
> discovered with the fix only made available in an update to 5.4.
>
>  > Me I always like
>   
>> to wait at least a week or two to see if others run into issues,
>> and wait for the mirrors to become less clogged.
>> 
>
> It won't do you any good to wait forever if someone doesn't run it to 
> find the issues.
>   
Judging by the list traffic with "5.4" in the subject, a lack of early 
testers won't be an issue.


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4 and BitTorrent

[Jim Wildman]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:

>>
>> Could someone describe to me what the rush is? I mean what drives
>> the need that you need to have it _right now_ ?
>
> There is always the risk that a critical security vulnerability will be
> discovered with the fix only made available in an update to 5.4.
>

Obviated by the fact that these bits (or their very closely related
kin-bits) have already been in production (via RHEL) for at least a month.

I was wondering the same thing earlier...why the rush?  What new feature
is there that everyone MUST HAVE NOW!!

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4 and BitTorrent

[Les Mikesell]

Jim Wildman wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
> 
>>> Could someone describe to me what the rush is? I mean what drives
>>> the need that you need to have it _right now_ ?
>> There is always the risk that a critical security vulnerability will be
>> discovered with the fix only made available in an update to 5.4.
>>
> 
> Obviated by the fact that these bits (or their very closely related
> kin-bits) have already been in production (via RHEL) for at least a month.

How does that obviate anything?  Most vulnerabilities have lurked in deployed 
code for years before someone figures out how to exploit them.  You need to be 
prepared to fix them before the exploit becomes widely known - which can be 
pretty much instantly after discovery.

> I was wondering the same thing earlier...why the rush?  What new feature
> is there that everyone MUST HAVE NOW!!

You need to have these versions running in your test environments if you want 
to 
be confident that you can update production servers without problems. And you 
never know when the discovery of a new exploit will force you to update.  I 
guess you are feeling lucky.

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Re: [CentOS] Sparc?

[Sergey Smirnov]

Hi,
maybe Gentoo Linux will be up on this server.
my buddy has successfully ran it on Sun Blade 1000, but there is a
UltraSPARC III and UltraSPARC III Cu CPUs (
UltraSPARC IIIi on the SF240).

I think OpenSolaris will be better there ;)

really have fun :)

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:44 PM, ML  wrote:

> HI All,
>
> I have acquired a Sun Fire VL 240. I know there is not a SPARC version
> of CentOS.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good OS for a machine that will do apache,
> postfix, mysql, etc.
>
> I know this is sort of a loaded question, but I don't have a lot of
> knowledge on distros that are stable on Sparc.
>
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Re: [CentOS] continuing issues with %post

[Christoph Maser]

Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 04:17 +0200 schrieb David Mehler:
> Hello,
> I'm trying to do an unattended CentOS 5.3 install. For the most part
> it's working. As of right now i'm statically assigning the machine an
> IP which i believe will allow %post to resolve names? I also like
> knowing where the box will show up.
>   I am however having a few issues and I'm probably thinking to
> complicated on them. My first one is the fact that updates aren't
> working from %post. Under the assumption name resolution is working,
> see above with the static configuration, the issue is then most likely
> importing of gpg keys. I've got these lines in %post:
>
> # GPG keys
> echo "Importing GPG keys ..."
> rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY*

Wich keys are that? You don't need that for the standard repos.

> /usr/bin/yum -y update

The yum is obsolete use the repo kickstart feature instead.


> When they're uncommented the box hangs, i'd love to see output.

Change to vt3, manually by using Alt+F3, automatic by using "chvt 3" as
first line in %post

>   My second issue is a cosmetic one. I want to set a standard prompt in
> /etc/bashrc. Out of the box the bashrc PS1 lines:
>
> if [ "$PS1" ]; then
> [ "$PS1" = "\\s-\\v\\\$ " ] && PS1="[...@\h \W]\\$ "
>
>   I have to make changes to that second line so a sed substitution
> would probably be my best bet. I'm not sure how to grab the part i
> need and change it. Manually i change that line to:
>
> PS1='\...@\h:\w\$'
>
> I'd like to get %post to do that for me.
Well sed is a choice or patch or maybe replace the file all together.

>   Next, i'd like to alter /boot/grub/grub.conf. I want to set it up for
> serial terminal support, so i have to add a serial and terminal lines
> at the top of the file say after any comment blocks that might or
> might not be there plus add console=tty0 and/or console=ttyS0,9600n8
> to the append lines to however many kernels are there. Again, i'm
> assuming sed but i'm not sure how to get the parts i need and edit.

If you use the serial console already at installation everything will be
done for you. Appends will be automatically set and dealt with on kernel
updates.

>   I want to do other things, mostly with security, increasing password
> complexity requirements and pam, but that should be easy once i figure
> out how to alter the right sections in files. Any help appreciated.
> Thanks.
> Dave.
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Re: [CentOS] post install freezes

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Am Mittwoch, den 14.10.2009, 19:37 +0200 schrieb David Mehler:
> Hello,
> I'm doing an unattended CentOS 5.3 install in a virtual machine
> vmware. I'm redirecting output to a serial console because production
> boxes won't have monitors. I'm getting to the point of doing the post
> installation then the box freezes. The only command i have in %post is
> yum -y update.
> I'm not getting no output. Suggestions appreciated.
> In the commands section reboot is explicitly called so that at the end
> of the install the vm will reboot.
> Thanks.
> Dave.


You had that one in your other post already. Just don't do it use the
repo keyword in kickstart instead.




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Re: [CentOS] CentOS build scripts (or equivalent) acessible?

[Christoph Maser]

Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 22:02 +0200 schrieb Miguel Di Ciurcio
Filho:
> Mathieu Baudier wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure that I understand.
> > Is there indeed such a public repository of the build scriptds / RPM
> > specs used by CentOS?
> >
> > That would indeed be fascinating and useful to have a look at it.
> > (I rebuilt libvirt from RedHat SRPM, just to test the some new
> > virtualization feature of v5.4, and going through the process I kept
> > wondering how the CentOS team is doing it on all the packages!)
>
> http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/
>
> Have fun.

What fun is there to have with empty packages?



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