Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable

2008-10-24 Thread Johnny Hughes
sbeam wrote:
> On Thursday 16 October 2008 07:26, Michael Simpson wrote:
>>> Ditto here. Have you run an "rpm --verify" to see if you have corruption
>>> problems? Have you mixed installs from (possibly conflicting) repos? I
>>> suspect one of those two. Have you checked your hardware (memtest,
>>> etc.)? If the system is haeavily loaded, have you checked to see if it's
>>> a heat related problem?
> 
> ok thanks guys, the firefox RPM was normal and the system is solid 64bit, 
> it's 
> just Firefox that has problems.
> 
> In the past crashes could be triggered just by simple UI interaction, 
> scrolling or click/drag, etc. Seemed like any time it would use GTK widgets 
> it was on thin ice. I run KDE so I wondered if any other KDE users have this 
> problem.
> 
> But I am running the mozilla.org binary now, so I can get crashreporter to 
> work - but it doesn't...
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460254
> 
> anyway this is not a CentOS issue it seems. But thanks for letting me know.
> 
> Sam

Sam,

Most people responding are probably running the 32bit (i386) version of
CentOS.  If you are running the x86_64 arch and also running the
Mozilla.org firefox then you are PROBABLY doing so via the 32bit
compatibility libs.

It has been my experience that this is far less stable (32bit
compatibility libs on x86_64) for many things, not just firefox.

I have never personally recommended running the x86_64 arch on a desktop
workstation ... and in fact, I have several 64bit capable machines that
I personally use as workstations where I install the 32bit (i386
version) of CentOS.

I know everyone THINKS that they want/need the x86_64 arch ... however,
the rest of the world outside the base OS are really not quite ready for
that.

I personally only use x86_64 on servers where I can remove all the
i[3,4,5,6]86 RPMS and go "x86_64 only" ... where it works great.

This is, of course, one man's opinion :D

Also, there are newer versions of Adobe Reader
(AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2_SU1) and Adobe Flash
(flash-plugin-10.0.12.36-release) that are a bit more stable than the
earlier ones.  Specifically, the SU1 version of Adobe Reader is better
than the standard 8.1.2 version.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes



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Re: [CentOS] ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread Johnny Hughes
Jussi Hirvi wrote:

>> piping ls to xargs should do the trick. man xargs for details.
> 
> Ok, thanks for ideas, Laurent and Lawrence.
> 
> A strange limitation in ls and rm, though. My friend said he hasn't seen
> that in Fedora. 

This issue is in Fedora, Ubuntu, CentOS, RHEL, (put any other linux
version you want here).

When you get too many files in a directory, you will receive this error.
 The same SOURCE code is compiled regardless of the "Distro".

As you have seen. there are many solutions to this problem ... HOWEVER,
picking a new distro is not one of them

Most people never hit this limitation, but it is certainly possible and
there in all versions of Linux.

Thanks,
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x86_64:
96f710c8603d3302033953208de29873  ed-0.2-39.el5_2.x86_64.rpm

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i386:
a044d4d571d0e04d643e6270b9773bd8  ed-0.2-39.el5_2.i386.rpm

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8093006b3f41349a848607344d3ae77e  ed-0.2-39.el5_2.src.rpm


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CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2008:0897 Moderate

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The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
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i386:
98d8c6e1f41a7fe332c460e2c5333824  ruby-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm
36535375b14e370769b7d4815c9fda40  ruby-devel-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm
8230b83a0b40d604ccfa2acd9c37d901  ruby-docs-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm
b7002bff83ab2ec860cf320324012afd  ruby-irb-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm
832e013642324fe9896ebe242c80e27a  ruby-libs-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm
d048d843dc7fc30c8ba4cc76e26073ff  ruby-mode-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm
08b13e81b433a7c0bd3c2170b4d19522  ruby-rdoc-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm
e3dd78bafd667e34a8a0f93e6e565798  ruby-ri-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm
1f8ec04eee144509cc6eae30a7b04001  ruby-tcltk-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm

Source:
dc21d4857dfa22b3c8ecf7c9a91d37ec  ruby-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.src.rpm


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CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2008:0897 Moderate

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0897.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( md5sum Filename ) 

x86_64:
8f54e22e7b4e4d6df4796f5ce7243e5b  ruby-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.x86_64.rpm
32ad76ef7293cea2c7c8052d8ae98098  ruby-devel-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm
8a27f9215bb07d9565cf4d854a0d73d5  ruby-devel-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.x86_64.rpm
6c26235e0002bc877c3d330ebacebbd5  ruby-docs-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.x86_64.rpm
c087a56b8026054168b23fa005135d51  ruby-irb-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.x86_64.rpm
a747d16838923f45d916144d88ae7764  ruby-libs-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.i386.rpm
78bc3728f1f33fcc034783bc64fb7c1d  ruby-libs-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.x86_64.rpm
de671b051f9ee2c45f12bf3d433997ed  ruby-mode-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.x86_64.rpm
6c9a42700b00202fbc6d15653461260d  ruby-rdoc-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.x86_64.rpm
d7269c52b8ae089f1797a47ea7b110c0  ruby-ri-1.8.5-5.el5_2.5.x86_64.rpm
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Re: [CentOS] Shipping CentOS as part of a solution

2008-10-24 Thread Johnny Hughes
Nifty Cluster Mitch wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:21:14AM +0200, Niki Kovacs wrote:
>> Mark Maskery a écrit :
>>> We develop and sell a server based application as an appliance in 
>>> which, in general, the customer does not have direct access to the 
>>> operating system. My question is, are we allowed to use CentOS as the 
>>> underlying operating system and if so what license considerations are 
>>> there or what license information would we need to include for our 
>>> customers?
>> Yes, you are allowed to do that. And if your business runs well,  
>> consider a donation to CentOS.
>>
> 
> Review the GPL, BSD, X11 and other licenses as outlined on the CentOS
> web site (see also Red Hat's web site).
> 
> You may need to make it very visible that there is CentOS under the hood.
> You need to make available the source to the CentOS bits you 
> deliver to your customer including changes you make.
> 
> Your application need not be GPL as long as you are 100% the sole author.
> 
> Give special attention to "derived" work in the GPL.  If part of your 
> application
> is GPL then it may well all be GPL.
> 
> To simplify your package requirements collect all the CentOS iso images
> and deliver them to your customer (both source and binary iso images).
> Then add media for the changes you make to CentOS.  Lastly add separate
> media for the application you are selling.
> 

This is the KEY to distributing CentOS where there are really NO
requirements to get any permission or do anything.  If you distribute
the CentOS ISOs exactly as they are provided then you do not need
anyone's permission to do so.  If you build your application and
distribute it on a separate ISO, then you can also ship the CentOS ISOs
to your customers (or make both available for download, etc).

The CentOS-5 and CentOS-4 ISOs have the ability to install packages from
3rd Party ISOs.

Also, if you use this method, your customers can get CentOS updates from
CentOS and you only need to maintain your product (and provide CentOS
isos to your customers if they ask).

> Lastly pay attention to updates and security fixes that you deliver from
> CentOS or other repo.  If the customer does not download them then you
> have some obligations
> 
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Re: [CentOS] What keeps logging to my console?

2008-10-24 Thread Dirk H. Schulz

Hi folks,

--On 17. Oktober 2008 10:45:08 -0400 "Michael H. Warfield" 
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On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 12:13 +0200, Dirk H. Schulz wrote:

Hi folks,



I have lots of messages like these appearing on my local CentOS 5.2
consoles:
> Oct 17 12:03:29 machine kernel: printk: 1 messages suppressed.
> Oct 17 12:03:29 machine kernel: pbond0: received packet with  own
> address
as source address



So the question is: What process logs directly to the console bypassing
syslog/kernel log facilities? How can I find where to stop that?


It's the kernel itself.

In a VC:

setterm --msg off


That did the trick, many thanks.

But now I have 1000s of messages like
"printk: 4 messages suppressed" in my /var/log/messages.

Can I get rid of that, too?

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[CentOS] Interesting faillog files.

2008-10-24 Thread Semih Gokalp
Hi all CentOS users,

I looked /var/log/messages log file and i realize something in
"messages" files like below;


---
Oct 24 04:02:42 cube2 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sdc, logical block 1545
---

"sdc" is my storage and i switched off storage at 6 PM.

and when i checked messages log file,I saw faillog under /var/log
directory like below:

-rw--- 1 root   root   137438953440 Oct 24 15:39 faillog

its  ~136 GB but my disk table size like below:

/dev/md1  497G   19G  453G   4% /
/dev/md3  157G   15G  134G  10% /backup
/dev/md0  243M   21M  210M   9% /boot
tmpfs  32G 0   32G   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sdc  805G   25G  739G   4% /mnt/sdc


Where is ~136 GB faillog file ? I tried force fsck but no error i have.

but i worried,Something is wrong ? I have a error about disk ?

If you help me,I will be happy.


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Re: [CentOS] Interesting faillog files.

2008-10-24 Thread Mogens Kjaer
Semih Gokalp wrote:
...
> -rw--- 1 root   root   137438953440 Oct 24 15:39 faillog

This is a file with "holes" in it, try

du /var/log/faillog

to get the size on disk.

Mogens

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[CentOS] Problem selecting installation drive : 5.2

2008-10-24 Thread Alex H. Vandenham
When doing the 5.2 installation the ONLY drive option provided is

mapper/nvidia_cbjcdhfe (250G)

My system has 2 SATA - 250G drives and I  want to use them in a RAID/LVM 
configuration.  

My question: 

How do I get the installer to let me use DiskDruid to create RAID1 arrays and 
then use LVM for the mount points?

What I've done so far:

I've verified that both drives are recognized by going to the shell screen and 
using fdisk to access both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb - so I know they are both 
available.

I've also tried using the Centos 4.7 installer where I can do exactly what I 
want.

I've accepted the default and after a full install of 5.2 there is no raid and 
total space is 250G.

I've looked at the various deployment guides and installation guides but can't 
find how to do this . . . . 

puzzled

Alex
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Re: [CentOS] Interesting faillog files.

2008-10-24 Thread Semih Gokalp
yes i did it before.

du /var/log/message

28  /var/log/faillog

but

ls -al /var/log/

-rw---  1 root   root   137438953440 Oct 24 17:37 faillog

but why it is different ?



2008/10/24 Mogens Kjaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Semih Gokalp wrote:
> ...
>> -rw--- 1 root   root   137438953440 Oct 24 15:39 faillog
>
> This is a file with "holes" in it, try
>
> du /var/log/faillog
>
> to get the size on disk.
>
> Mogens
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Re: [CentOS] Interesting faillog files.

2008-10-24 Thread Matt Hyclak
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:11:29PM +0300, Semih Gokalp enlightened us:
> yes i did it before.
> 
> du /var/log/message
> 
> 28  /var/log/faillog
> 
> but
> 
> ls -al /var/log/
> 
> -rw---  1 root   root   137438953440 Oct 24 17:37 faillog
> 
> but why it is different ?
>

It is what is called a "sparse file". Google should be able to tell you the
details.

Matt

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Re: [CentOS] Interesting faillog files.

2008-10-24 Thread Mogens Kjaer

Semih Gokalp wrote:

yes i did it before.

du /var/log/message

28  /var/log/faillog

but

ls -al /var/log/

-rw---  1 root   root   137438953440 Oct 24 17:37 faillog

but why it is different ?


It is a sparse file. It has holes in it.
Only a few blocks are actually allocated.

It is not an error.

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Re: [CentOS] Interesting faillog files.

2008-10-24 Thread Semih Gokalp
Thanks all for help.

Thanks again.



2008/10/24 Mogens Kjaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Semih Gokalp wrote:
>>
>> yes i did it before.
>>
>> du /var/log/message
>>
>> 28  /var/log/faillog
>>
>> but
>>
>> ls -al /var/log/
>>
>> -rw---  1 root   root   137438953440 Oct 24 17:37 faillog
>>
>> but why it is different ?
>
> It is a sparse file. It has holes in it.
> Only a few blocks are actually allocated.
>
> It is not an error.
>
> Mogens
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Re: [CentOS] ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread fred smith
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:49:02AM -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Jussi Hirvi wrote:
> 
> >> piping ls to xargs should do the trick. man xargs for details.
> > 
> > Ok, thanks for ideas, Laurent and Lawrence.
> > 
> > A strange limitation in ls and rm, though. My friend said he hasn't seen
> > that in Fedora. 
> 
> This issue is in Fedora, Ubuntu, CentOS, RHEL, (put any other linux
> version you want here).
> 
> When you get too many files in a directory, you will receive this error.
>  The same SOURCE code is compiled regardless of the "Distro".
> 
> As you have seen. there are many solutions to this problem ... HOWEVER,
> picking a new distro is not one of them
> 
> Most people never hit this limitation, but it is certainly possible and
> there in all versions of Linux.
> 
> Thanks,
> Johnny Hughes
> 

I've always understood it to be an issue with commandline length: somewhere
(probably in bash) there's a limit on how big a buffer is/can be used for
storing the comamndline.



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[CentOS] Certain scripts "hang" the terminal on logout

2008-10-24 Thread Sean Carolan
I have an init script that after running, causes my terminal not to
log out cleanly.  Here's what i mean:

# /etc/init.d/script restart  << this runs fine, returns my shell prompt
# exit  <<  When I enter this command, my shell window just stays
"stuck" and actually won't close down.

Anyone know why this happens?
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Re: [CentOS] Certain scripts "hang" the terminal on logout

2008-10-24 Thread Matt Hyclak
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:48:53AM -0500, Sean Carolan enlightened us:
> I have an init script that after running, causes my terminal not to
> log out cleanly.  Here's what i mean:
> 
> # /etc/init.d/script restart  << this runs fine, returns my shell prompt
> # exit  <<  When I enter this command, my shell window just stays
> "stuck" and actually won't close down.
> 
> Anyone know why this happens?

Are you spawning/backgrounding jobs in the script?

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Re: [CentOS] Certain scripts "hang" the terminal on logout

2008-10-24 Thread Filipe Brandenburger
Hi,

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:48, Sean Carolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> # /etc/init.d/script restart  << this runs fine, returns my shell prompt
> # exit  <<  When I enter this command, my shell window just stays
> "stuck" and actually won't close down.
>
> Anyone know why this happens?

Yes, it's because the daemon started from that script keeps file
descriptors opened to the terminal you are connected to. This might be
considered a bug in the daemon, since a proper daemon should close all
its file descriptors before going background and returning to the
shell.

You might try to change the script in init.d to append "/dev/null 2>&1" at the line that starts the daemon, this might force
it to detach itself from the terminal.

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Re: [CentOS] Certain scripts "hang" the terminal on logout

2008-10-24 Thread Sean Carolan
>> # /etc/init.d/script restart  << this runs fine, returns my shell prompt
>> # exit  <<  When I enter this command, my shell window just stays
>> "stuck" and actually won't close down.
>>
>> Anyone know why this happens?
>
> Are you spawning/backgrounding jobs in the script?

Here is the script, it is a fairly simple start/stop/reset script that
was written by Jay Farschman. One other question I had about this
script is what the "$PROG" variable in the stop() function is for.

#!/bin/sh
#
# swatchrc  This shell script takes care of starting and stopping
#   swatch.
#
# chkconfig: 2345 81 31
# description: Swatch is a System WATCHdog program that we are
#  using here to block repeated failed ssh logins.
# processname: swatch

# Replace --tail-file with the file you wish to watch, see /etc/swatch/swatchrc

RETVAL=0
test -x /usr/bin/swatch || exit 0
start(){
  echo "Starting swatch"
# Spawn a new swatch program
  /usr/bin/swatch --daemon --config-file=/etc/swatch/swatchrc
--tail-file=/u
 sr/local/ha-tomcat/logs/catalina.out
--pid-file=/var/run/swatch.pid
  echo $PID
return $RETVAL
}
stop () {
# stop daemon
  echo "Stopping swatch:" $PROG
  kill -9 `cat /var/run/swatch.pid`
  rm -f /var/run/swatch.pid
  killall tail
  return $RETVAL
}
restart () {
  stop
  start
  RETVAL=$?
  return $RETVAL
}

case "$1" in
  start)
  start
  ;;
  stop)
  stop
   ;;
  restart)
  restart
  ;;
  *)
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Re: [CentOS] Certain scripts "hang" the terminal on logout

2008-10-24 Thread Sean Carolan
> You might try to change the script in init.d to append ">/dev/null 2>&1" at the line that starts the daemon, this might force
> it to detach itself from the terminal.

This appears to have corrected the issue, thank you very much for the reply.
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Re: [CentOS] ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:48 AM, fred smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've always understood it to be an issue with commandline length: somewhere
> (probably in bash) there's a limit on how big a buffer is/can be used for
> storing the comamndline.

There are two possible buffer limits one could encounter: tty driver
input line buffer (which is not an issue for bash because readline
avoids it) and kernel exec space for the arguments plus environment
passed to a new process.  Only the second one causes the error message
that started this thread, and previous posts have pointed out that
recent Linux kernels have effectively removed that limit (see message
from Jeremy Sanders).
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Re: [CentOS] freenx 7.3?

2008-10-24 Thread Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 16:38 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Has anyone built a freenx 7.3 for Centos 5?  I'd like to be able to use 
> the session shadow mode on some machines.

Oh neat! When did this get added to freenx?  I've been wanted to test
that out for a long time.

Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008, Bart Schaefer wrote:
>On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:48 AM, fred smith
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've always understood it to be an issue with commandline length: somewhere
>> (probably in bash) there's a limit on how big a buffer is/can be used for
>> storing the comamndline.
>
>There are two possible buffer limits one could encounter: tty driver
>input line buffer (which is not an issue for bash because readline
>avoids it) and kernel exec space for the arguments plus environment
>passed to a new process.  Only the second one causes the error message
>that started this thread, and previous posts have pointed out that
>recent Linux kernels have effectively removed that limit (see message
>from Jeremy Sanders).

While current Linux kernels may have removed the limit, this has
been a common issue on all *nix systems for decades, which is why
xargs was written.

As a general rule, it's best to use find to pipe lists to xargs
rather than depend on the characteristics of the underlying
system.  This might be called defensive programming, as it
insures that scripts will work anywhere, not just on the system
you are using today.

Programming to the lowest common denominator may not feel sexy,
but it can prevent many headaches in the future.  I spent quite a
bit of time many years ago getting a large FORTRAN system working
that had been written on a system that use 7 character variable
names where standard FORTRAN only permitted 6 (it was amazing how
many of the variable names differed only in the 7th character).
While this would be relatively easy to deal with today, it was a
bitch when all programs were on 80-column punch cards.

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Re: [CentOS] ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread Les Mikesell

Bill Campbell wrote:



There are two possible buffer limits one could encounter: tty driver
input line buffer (which is not an issue for bash because readline
avoids it) and kernel exec space for the arguments plus environment
passed to a new process.  Only the second one causes the error message
that started this thread, and previous posts have pointed out that
recent Linux kernels have effectively removed that limit (see message
from Jeremy Sanders).


While current Linux kernels may have removed the limit,


It's probably a mistake to say that the limit is removed.  I think this 
change just moves the limiting factor elsewhere - to the RAM or virtual 
memory that happens to be available.



this has
been a common issue on all *nix systems for decades, which is why
xargs was written.


Recognizing that you do not have infinite buffer space available is a 
good thing.  Keep using xargs.


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[CentOS] Re: OT: Setting a CentOS to gateway a private IP address

2008-10-24 Thread James B. Byrne

The solution to this proved quite simple, once I grasped the fact that all
routers on a common network have to route for that network (duhh!!!) as
well as any others that they may handle.

So the ripd.conf file looks like this:

--->
! -*- rip -*-
!
! RIPd configuration file
!
hostname a.b.domain.tld
password 
enable password 

router rip
  network 2aa.bbb.ccc.0/24
  network 192.168.219.0/24

log stdout
<---

And it works.


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Re: [CentOS] freenx 7.3?

2008-10-24 Thread Les Mikesell

Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:

On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 16:38 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Has anyone built a freenx 7.3 for Centos 5?  I'd like to be able to use 
the session shadow mode on some machines.


Oh neat! When did this get added to freenx?  I've been wanted to test
that out for a long time.


I think the 7.3 version was the first to include it.  It has been in the 
commercial NX versions for a while.  I think those are free to use with 
some connection limit but I haven't gotten around to testing it yet.


Another interesting capability is for the client to resize the whole 
remote desktop screen.  The Mac NX client seems to be able to do that 
arbitrarily where the windows version only does it sometimes to snap the 
desktop to the available window space - and sometimes not.  Does anyone 
know what controls this capability and how it will mesh with shadowing a 
desktop tied to another client or actual video hardware?


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Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Setting a CentOS to gateway a private IP address

2008-10-24 Thread Les Mikesell

James B. Byrne wrote:

The solution to this proved quite simple, once I grasped the fact that all
routers on a common network have to route for that network (duhh!!!) as
well as any others that they may handle.

So the ripd.conf file looks like this:

--->
! -*- rip -*-
!
! RIPd configuration file
!
hostname a.b.domain.tld
password 
enable password 

router rip
  network 2aa.bbb.ccc.0/24
  network 192.168.219.0/24

log stdout
<---

And it works.


It's been a while since I set one of those up, but I believe the network 
statements control the interfaces where the route announcements are sent 
as well as the address ranges that will be routed.  So if you omitted 
the 2aa.bbb.ccc.0/24 network, it wouldn't send any routes out that 
interface.


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Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable

2008-10-24 Thread MHR
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Johnny Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> Most people responding are probably running the 32bit (i386) version of
> CentOS.  If you are running the x86_64 arch and also running the
> Mozilla.org firefox then you are PROBABLY doing so via the 32bit
> compatibility libs.
>
I have the same stability problems with Seamonkey on both my 32-bit
workstation at work and my 64-bit desktop at home.  In fact, they have
grown worse since SM 1.10 a couple of months ago (they're up to 1.12
and it's more unstable than ever, with the same problems and worse).

> It has been my experience that this is far less stable (32bit
> compatibility libs on x86_64) for many things, not just firefox.
>
Actually, I have almost no stability problems other than SM on my
64-bit machine at home.  However, I should add the caveat that I don't
use every single newfangled, shiny app that comes out just because
it's there.  I have a strong preference for proven, stable apps, so
that could be a part of it.  I also tend to prefer 64-bit apps where
possible/available because they tend to run better than their 32-bit
counterparts (on a 64-bit OS).  My personal, big exception: OOo,
because I like the newer version (2.4.1) a lot better than the distro
version (2.3.0), which is just ok.

> I have never personally recommended running the x86_64 arch on a desktop
> workstation ... and in fact, I have several 64bit capable machines that
> I personally use as workstations where I install the 32bit (i386
> version) of CentOS.
>
I'd say it's a matter of personal taste and experience - if your
experience with 64-bits on your desktop is not as good as your
experiences with 32, chances are you'll feel that way.  If you run
gobs of 32-bit apps that are not available in 64-bit versions and they
tend to be a bit flaky on the 64-bit platform, that's also a good
reason to stick to 32.

> I know everyone THINKS that they want/need the x86_64 arch ... however,
> the rest of the world outside the base OS are really not quite ready for
> that.
>
> I personally only use x86_64 on servers where I can remove all the
> i[3,4,5,6]86 RPMS and go "x86_64 only" ... where it works great.
>
> This is, of course, one man's opinion :D
>
YMMV.

> Also, there are newer versions of Adobe Reader
> (AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2_SU1) and Adobe Flash
> (flash-plugin-10.0.12.36-release) that are a bit more stable than the
> earlier ones.  Specifically, the SU1 version of Adobe Reader is better
> than the standard 8.1.2 version.
>
This certainly seems to be true for the 32-bit versions, at least of
AR (I don't think I have the 10.x version of flash yet...).  On my
home desktop, I run AR 7.9 because the 8.x versions don't print
landscape PDFs properly at all, and they also have fewer options for
printing, like scaling that works.  This could be a 64-bit issue, but
I run the 32-bit plugins with nspluginwrapper, and although MOST
plugins run just fine that way, nppdf and flash do not.  Sometimes I
think Adobe just doesn't like 64-bits yet.

And...

That's just _my_ $0.02 ($4 in today's money...).

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Re: [CentOS] ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread MHR
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Programming to the lowest common denominator may not feel sexy,
> but it can prevent many headaches in the future.  I spent quite a
> bit of time many years ago getting a large FORTRAN system working
> that had been written on a system that use 7 character variable
> names where standard FORTRAN only permitted 6 (it was amazing how
> many of the variable names differed only in the 7th character).
> While this would be relatively easy to deal with today, it was a
> bitch when all programs were on 80-column punch cards.
>

Okay, now you're officially old.

(Like me.)

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Re: [CentOS] ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Westphal

MHR wrote:

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Programming to the lowest common denominator may not feel sexy,
but it can prevent many headaches in the future.  I spent quite a
bit of time many years ago getting a large FORTRAN system working
that had been written on a system that use 7 character variable
names where standard FORTRAN only permitted 6 (it was amazing how
many of the variable names differed only in the 7th character).
While this would be relatively easy to deal with today, it was a
bitch when all programs were on 80-column punch cards.




Okay, now you're officially old.

(Like me.)

mhr
  
Forgive my senility, but I'm continually amazed how many of us ole 
fossils are still around, and running Linux! Not to use up too much 
bandwidth, but the switch from Fortran 2 to 2D, for disk, was a big 
event way back when. Then Fortran 4 came around! Be still my old heart!


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[CentOS] replace

2008-10-24 Thread Mad Unix
i need your feedback about this command, it should find a string in
multiple html files in a directory and replace it with a different
string...

find /dir -name "*.html" -exec sed -i 's/"old"/"new"/g' {} \;

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Re: [CentOS] replace

2008-10-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008, Mad Unix wrote:
>i need your feedback about this command, it should find a string in
>multiple html files in a directory and replace it with a different
>string...
>
>find /dir -name "*.html" -exec sed -i 's/"old"/"new"/g' {} \;

There are several tools that handle this type of things quite nicely.

There is a simple script in Kernighan and Pike's book ``The Unix
Programming Environment'' that does simple replacements, and is
used as an example of writing shell scripts that fail gracefully
when things go wrong.

Ralf S. Engelschall's ``shtool'', the GNU Portable Shell Tool has
a ``subst'' function that is more flexible in that it is quite
easy to handle multiple ``sed'' expressions.  Unlike the
Kernighan and Pike scripts though, errors in expressions result
in a zero length file so making copies is a good idea.

MySQL also has a ``replace'' script that handles simple
replacement, but unfortunately has the same name as the Kernighan
and Pike script which was written at least a decade before MySQL
so should probably have been name ``myreplace'' or something
similar that did not conflict.

Perl also has options to do in-place replacements, and can make
backups of the files, which is also a nice feature.

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[CentOS] Help with a sun cobalt with sendmail and centos with postfix

2008-10-24 Thread Erick Perez
Hi,
I have a customer with a sun cobalt running Sendmail 8.10.2/8.10.2 and
we are phasing out the sun cube due to some limitations. So we have
installed a new centos 5.x server.
the format of our current emails are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the new
format will be [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have 1600 accounts.

Both server are in the LAN.

The MX record that the world sees, point to our current AV/AntiSpam
appliance, then our AV appliance forwards to the mail server (its a
trendmicro IMSS)
The AV appliance lets me define rules that emails for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] should be sent to the mailserver with the cube,
and it also let me define a rule for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be
sent to the centos machine, so I have covered the "from internet"
inbound email issue.
going out to the internet, both servers can send emails perfectly.

However,
Since both servers will "answer" to the same domain, i need some
guidance as to how to
1- If user hosted on the Sun sendmail Cube sends emails to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], make the Cube forward/send the email to the
Centos machine.
2- If user hosted in centos, sends email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], make
the POSTFIX forward/send the email to the Cube machine.

Due to internal regulations i must say that:
1- users cannot be moved all at once.
2- centos machine must use postfix - not sendmail. I can however,
install sendmail on centos and make it listen in another port other
than 25 if some solution arises that needs sendmail in both sides.

Anyways, any guidance as to how to solve this mess is welcomed

Thanks,

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Re: [CentOS] Help with a sun cobalt with sendmail and centos with postfix

2008-10-24 Thread Bill Campbell
Have you looked at the BlueQuartz project?  It is specifically
for the Cobalts, and I think is CentOS based.

http://bluequartz.org/

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008, Erick Perez wrote:
>Hi,
>I have a customer with a sun cobalt running Sendmail 8.10.2/8.10.2 and
>we are phasing out the sun cube due to some limitations. So we have
>installed a new centos 5.x server.
>the format of our current emails are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the new
>format will be [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have 1600 accounts.
>
>Both server are in the LAN.
>
>The MX record that the world sees, point to our current AV/AntiSpam
>appliance, then our AV appliance forwards to the mail server (its a
>trendmicro IMSS)
>The AV appliance lets me define rules that emails for
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] should be sent to the mailserver with the cube,
>and it also let me define a rule for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be
>sent to the centos machine, so I have covered the "from internet"
>inbound email issue.
>going out to the internet, both servers can send emails perfectly.
>
>However,
>Since both servers will "answer" to the same domain, i need some
>guidance as to how to
>1- If user hosted on the Sun sendmail Cube sends emails to
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], make the Cube forward/send the email to the
>Centos machine.
>2- If user hosted in centos, sends email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], make
>the POSTFIX forward/send the email to the Cube machine.
>
>Due to internal regulations i must say that:
>1- users cannot be moved all at once.
>2- centos machine must use postfix - not sendmail. I can however,
>install sendmail on centos and make it listen in another port other
>than 25 if some solution arises that needs sendmail in both sides.
>
>Anyways, any guidance as to how to solve this mess is welcomed
>
>Thanks,
>
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Re: [CentOS] Help with a sun cobalt with sendmail and centos with postfix

2008-10-24 Thread mouss
Erick Perez a écrit :
> Hi,
> I have a customer with a sun cobalt running Sendmail 8.10.2/8.10.2 and
> we are phasing out the sun cube due to some limitations. So we have
> installed a new centos 5.x server.
> the format of our current emails are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the new
> format will be [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have 1600 accounts.
> 
> Both server are in the LAN.
> 
> The MX record that the world sees, point to our current AV/AntiSpam
> appliance, then our AV appliance forwards to the mail server (its a
> trendmicro IMSS)
> The AV appliance lets me define rules that emails for
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be sent to the mailserver with the cube,
> and it also let me define a rule for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be
> sent to the centos machine, so I have covered the "from internet"
> inbound email issue.
> going out to the internet, both servers can send emails perfectly.
> 
> However,
> Since both servers will "answer" to the same domain, i need some
> guidance as to how to
> 1- If user hosted on the Sun sendmail Cube sends emails to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], make the Cube forward/send the email to the
> Centos machine.
> 2- If user hosted in centos, sends email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], make
> the POSTFIX forward/send the email to the Cube machine.
> 

for the postfix side, use transport_maps:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]   relay:[remote.host.example]
(use the brakets to avoid MX lookups).



> Due to internal regulations i must say that:
> 1- users cannot be moved all at once.
> 2- centos machine must use postfix - not sendmail. I can however,
> install sendmail on centos and make it listen in another port other
> than 25 if some solution arises that needs sendmail in both sides.
> 
> Anyways, any guidance as to how to solve this mess is welcomed
> 
> Thanks,
> 

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Re: [CentOS] replace

2008-10-24 Thread Phil Schaffner

Mad Unix wrote:

i need your feedback about this command, it should find a string in
multiple html files in a directory and replace it with a different
string...

find /dir -name "*.html" -exec sed -i 's/"old"/"new"/g' {} \;


Mad Unix,

find /dir -name "*.html" -exec sed -i -e 's/old/new/g' {} \;

or

find /dir -name "*.html" -exec sed -i".bck" -e 's/old/new/g' {} \;

to keep a backup.

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Re: [CentOS] replace

2008-10-24 Thread Pintér Tibor


Phil Schaffner írta:

Mad Unix wrote:

i need your feedback about this command, it should find a string in
multiple html files in a directory and replace it with a different
string...

find /dir -name "*.html" -exec sed -i 's/"old"/"new"/g' {} \;


Mad Unix,

find /dir -name "*.html" -exec sed -i -e 's/old/new/g' {} \;

or

find /dir -name "*.html" -exec sed -i".bck" -e 's/old/new/g' {} \;

to keep a backup.


perl -pi -e "s/foo/bar/" *.html

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Re: [CentOS] replace

2008-10-24 Thread Phil Schaffner
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 23:13 +0200, Pintér Tibor wrote:
> perl -pi -e "s/foo/bar/" *.html

Won't recurse down the directory tree, but I guess the OP didn't
actually ask for that.  Could substitute the perl commad for sed in the
earlier example.  Many ways to skin the cat (all equally odious to the
cat :-).

BTW, the xargs solution discussed in the 'ls and rm: "argument list too
long"' thread could be applied here too if you have a LOT of files.

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Re: [CentOS] Help with a sun cobalt with sendmail and centos with postfix

2008-10-24 Thread Erick Perez
Hi bill. not sure what you want me to look there. The Cobalt will go
away and will probably be used in other task. We are not trying to
rescue it.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you looked at the BlueQuartz project?  It is specifically
> for the Cobalts, and I think is CentOS based.
>
>http://bluequartz.org/
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008, Erick Perez wrote:
>>Hi,
>>I have a customer with a sun cobalt running Sendmail 8.10.2/8.10.2 and
>>we are phasing out the sun cube due to some limitations. So we have
>>installed a new centos 5.x server.
>>the format of our current emails are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the new
>>format will be [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have 1600 accounts.
>>
>>Both server are in the LAN.
>>
>>The MX record that the world sees, point to our current AV/AntiSpam
>>appliance, then our AV appliance forwards to the mail server (its a
>>trendmicro IMSS)
>>The AV appliance lets me define rules that emails for
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] should be sent to the mailserver with the cube,
>>and it also let me define a rule for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be
>>sent to the centos machine, so I have covered the "from internet"
>>inbound email issue.
>>going out to the internet, both servers can send emails perfectly.
>>
>>However,
>>Since both servers will "answer" to the same domain, i need some
>>guidance as to how to
>>1- If user hosted on the Sun sendmail Cube sends emails to
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED], make the Cube forward/send the email to the
>>Centos machine.
>>2- If user hosted in centos, sends email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], make
>>the POSTFIX forward/send the email to the Cube machine.
>>
>>Due to internal regulations i must say that:
>>1- users cannot be moved all at once.
>>2- centos machine must use postfix - not sendmail. I can however,
>>install sendmail on centos and make it listen in another port other
>>than 25 if some solution arises that needs sendmail in both sides.
>>
>>Anyways, any guidance as to how to solve this mess is welcomed
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
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Re: [CentOS] Help with a sun cobalt with sendmail and centos with postfix

2008-10-24 Thread Erick Perez
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:22 PM, mouss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Erick Perez a écrit :
>> Hi,
>> I have a customer with a sun cobalt running Sendmail 8.10.2/8.10.2 and
>> we are phasing out the sun cube due to some limitations. So we have
>> installed a new centos 5.x server.
>> the format of our current emails are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the new
>> format will be [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have 1600 accounts.
>>
>> Both server are in the LAN.
>>
>> The MX record that the world sees, point to our current AV/AntiSpam
>> appliance, then our AV appliance forwards to the mail server (its a
>> trendmicro IMSS)
>> The AV appliance lets me define rules that emails for
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be sent to the mailserver with the cube,
>> and it also let me define a rule for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be
>> sent to the centos machine, so I have covered the "from internet"
>> inbound email issue.
>> going out to the internet, both servers can send emails perfectly.
>>
>> However,
>> Since both servers will "answer" to the same domain, i need some
>> guidance as to how to
>> 1- If user hosted on the Sun sendmail Cube sends emails to
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], make the Cube forward/send the email to the
>> Centos machine.
>> 2- If user hosted in centos, sends email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], make
>> the POSTFIX forward/send the email to the Cube machine.
>>
>
> for the postfix side, use transport_maps:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] relay:[remote.host.example]
> (use the brakets to avoid MX lookups).
>
>
>
>> Due to internal regulations i must say that:
>> 1- users cannot be moved all at once.
>> 2- centos machine must use postfix - not sendmail. I can however,
>> install sendmail on centos and make it listen in another port other
>> than 25 if some solution arises that needs sendmail in both sides.
>>
>> Anyways, any guidance as to how to solve this mess is welcomed
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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i read about transport maps in postfix, just tried and worked perfectly. thanks,
now i have to figure the sendmail part (i think virtusertable)

Do you know how to make the sendmail part?


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Re: [CentOS] Help with a sun cobalt with sendmail and centos with postfix

2008-10-24 Thread Les Mikesell

Erick Perez wrote:



However,
Since both servers will "answer" to the same domain, i need some
guidance as to how to
1- If user hosted on the Sun sendmail Cube sends emails to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], make the Cube forward/send the email to the
Centos machine.
2- If user hosted in centos, sends email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], make
the POSTFIX forward/send the email to the Cube machine.


for the postfix side, use transport_maps:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] relay:[remote.host.example]
(use the brakets to avoid MX lookups).



i read about transport maps in postfix, just tried and worked perfectly. thanks,
now i have to figure the sendmail part (i think virtusertable)

Do you know how to make the sendmail part?


If you are already accepting for the domain in question, all you need 
are aliases.  Just be careful you don't set up a loop as you move people.


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Re: [CentOS] Help with a sun cobalt with sendmail and centos with postfix

2008-10-24 Thread MHR
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Erick Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i read about transport maps in postfix, just tried and worked perfectly. 
> thanks,
> now i have to figure the sendmail part (i think virtusertable)
>
> Do you know how to make the sendmail part?
>

Now that you are bottom posting (thank you), could you also trim your
replies to just the relevant parts?

TIA.

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Re: [CentOS] replace

2008-10-24 Thread Jim Perrin
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Pintér Tibor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> perl -pi -e "s/foo/bar/" *.html


You also have to give an extension to the command to get a backup. For
this one it would basically be:
perl -pi.old -e 's/foo/bar/' *.html... in addition to the no recursion
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Ole Fossils [ was Re: [CentOS] ls and rm: "argument list too long"]

2008-10-24 Thread Phil Schaffner
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:19 -0400, Ed Westphal wrote:
> Forgive my senility, but I'm continually amazed how many of us ole 
> fossils are still around, and running Linux! Not to use up too much 
> bandwidth, but the switch from Fortran 2 to 2D, for disk, was a big 
> event way back when. Then Fortran 4 came around! Be still my old
> heart!

WAY OT, but since the thread has already been hijacked, can't resist a
trip down memory lane...

Ah yes, how fondly I remember running FORTRAN from punched tape on the
Data General Nova "minicomputer".  At least it was not prone to dropping
the 80-column card deck and having to re-sort it.  Then we got the 8"
hard-sector floppy drive.  Luxury!  Still had to boot it up with the
correct sequence of flips of the front panel switches, but actually had
somewhere to save output data as well as load programs - up to 256KB.
Did real-time data acquisition using an 8-bit A/D and ran fast Fourier
transforms to get frequency domain responses using ASCII graphics on a
printer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_General_Nova

Seem to remember an "old farts" thread on this list a while back, so I
guess "ole fossils" sounds a bit better. :-)

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Re: [CentOS] replace

2008-10-24 Thread Pintér Tibor



You also have to give an extension to the command to get a backup. For
this one it would basically be:
perl -pi.old -e 's/foo/bar/' *.html... in addition to the no recursion
thing


if you dont, the target changes are applied to the source files.

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[CentOS] Re: ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread Scott Silva
on 10-24-2008 11:19 AM Ed Westphal spake the following:
> MHR wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Bill Campbell
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  
>>> Programming to the lowest common denominator may not feel sexy,
>>> but it can prevent many headaches in the future.  I spent quite a
>>> bit of time many years ago getting a large FORTRAN system working
>>> that had been written on a system that use 7 character variable
>>> names where standard FORTRAN only permitted 6 (it was amazing how
>>> many of the variable names differed only in the 7th character).
>>> While this would be relatively easy to deal with today, it was a
>>> bitch when all programs were on 80-column punch cards.
>>>
>>> 
>>
>> Okay, now you're officially old.
>>
>> (Like me.)
>>
>> mhr
>>   
> Forgive my senility, but I'm continually amazed how many of us ole
> fossils are still around, and running Linux! Not to use up too much
> bandwidth, but the switch from Fortran 2 to 2D, for disk, was a big
> event way back when. Then Fortran 4 came around! Be still my old heart!
> 
> ENW
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Re: [CentOS] Help with a sun cobalt with sendmail and centos with postfix

2008-10-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008, Erick Perez wrote:
>Hi bill. not sure what you want me to look there. The Cobalt will go
>away and will probably be used in other task. We are not trying to
>rescue it.

It was just a FYI post as many may not know of Bluequartz.  I have a
customer who is still running a bunch of Cobalt Raq hosting web
sites at a regional ISP.  I had one Raq here for a while.  The most benefit
I got out of it was digging into its Apache configuration files to learn
about mod_rewrite and such.

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[CentOS] Re: Problem selecting installation drive : 5.2

2008-10-24 Thread Scott Silva
on 10-24-2008 7:25 AM Alex H. Vandenham spake the following:
> When doing the 5.2 installation the ONLY drive option provided is
> 
> mapper/nvidia_cbjcdhfe (250G)
> 
> My system has 2 SATA - 250G drives and I  want to use them in a RAID/LVM 
> configuration.  
> 
> My question: 
> 
> How do I get the installer to let me use DiskDruid to create RAID1 arrays and 
> then use LVM for the mount points?
> 
> What I've done so far:
> 
> I've verified that both drives are recognized by going to the shell screen 
> and 
> using fdisk to access both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb - so I know they are both 
> available.
> 
> I've also tried using the Centos 4.7 installer where I can do exactly what I 
> want.
> 
> I've accepted the default and after a full install of 5.2 there is no raid 
> and 
> total space is 250G.
> 
> I've looked at the various deployment guides and installation guides but 
> can't 
> find how to do this . . . . 
> 
> puzzled
> 
> Alex
> ===
> 
The default install doesn't do a software raid, and if you are trying to use
an Nvidia onboard raid controller as a raid device in linux, you are probably
out of luck.

To do software raid  with LVM over it, you have to do it all manually. First
creating the raid devices, and then adding the resulting md devices as LVM
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Re: [CentOS] Re: ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008, Scott Silva wrote:
...
>When I learned Fortran IV in 1980 my teacher said that Fortran and Cobol were
>the languages of the future!

In a presentation at the 1985 Usenix conference, Rob Pike made a comment
that he didn't know what the language for scientific program of the future
would be, but that it would be called FORTRAN.

COBOL on Burroughs Medium Systems was an extremely powerful language.  I
wrote some pretty large commerical systems with it.  My main problems with
COBOL came when I had to run on a system other than Burroughs where COBOL
was not fully recursive, and missing features that I took for granted.

My first exposure to computers was in 1966 on a Bendix G-20 and their
Mishewaka FORTRAN.  This version of FORTRAN was written by engineers, and
had features that were well ahead of IBM's FORTRAN:

   + Everything was done in floating point -- engineers don't grok
 integers.

   + ``DO'' loops would of course have floating point variables, and worked
 as an engineer or mathematician would expect.

   + ``DO'' loops tested at the top of the loop instead of at the end as
 they did on IBM FORTRAN.  Thus if the starting value was greater than
 the terminating value nothing in the loop would be executed.

   + Free form input from cards (e.g. one could have ``PI=3.14159'' and it
 would do the reasonable thing.

   + Free form output.

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[CentOS] Re: Ole Fossils [ was Re: ls and rm: "argument list too long"]

2008-10-24 Thread Scott Silva
on 10-24-2008 3:21 PM Phil Schaffner spake the following:
> On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:19 -0400, Ed Westphal wrote:
>> Forgive my senility, but I'm continually amazed how many of us ole 
>> fossils are still around, and running Linux! Not to use up too much 
>> bandwidth, but the switch from Fortran 2 to 2D, for disk, was a big 
>> event way back when. Then Fortran 4 came around! Be still my old
>> heart!
> 
> WAY OT, but since the thread has already been hijacked, can't resist a
> trip down memory lane...
> 
> Ah yes, how fondly I remember running FORTRAN from punched tape on the
> Data General Nova "minicomputer".  At least it was not prone to dropping
> the 80-column card deck and having to re-sort it.  Then we got the 8"
> hard-sector floppy drive.  Luxury!  Still had to boot it up with the
> correct sequence of flips of the front panel switches, but actually had
> somewhere to save output data as well as load programs - up to 256KB.
> Did real-time data acquisition using an 8-bit A/D and ran fast Fourier
> transforms to get frequency domain responses using ASCII graphics on a
> printer.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_General_Nova
> 
> Seem to remember an "old farts" thread on this list a while back, so I
> guess "ole fossils" sounds a bit better. :-)
> 
> Phil
I remember numbering on the back of cards with a pencil as a backup when you
dropped the deck. And of course you numbered by tens just in case you had to
insert something.

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Re: [CentOS] Re: ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread Michael Peterson

Scott Silva wrote:

on 10-24-2008 11:19 AM Ed Westphal spake the following:
  

MHR wrote:


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Bill Campbell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
  

Programming to the lowest common denominator may not feel sexy,
but it can prevent many headaches in the future.  I spent quite a
bit of time many years ago getting a large FORTRAN system working
that had been written on a system that use 7 character variable
names where standard FORTRAN only permitted 6 (it was amazing how
many of the variable names differed only in the 7th character).
While this would be relatively easy to deal with today, it was a
bitch when all programs were on 80-column punch cards.




Okay, now you're officially old.

(Like me.)

mhr
  
  

Forgive my senility, but I'm continually amazed how many of us ole
fossils are still around, and running Linux! Not to use up too much
bandwidth, but the switch from Fortran 2 to 2D, for disk, was a big
event way back when. Then Fortran 4 came around! Be still my old heart!

ENW


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I have been learning and using COBOL since the mid 80's.
I use COBOL at the present time for Web Programming also.
The COBOL we use runs on UNIX and Linux.
I use it in addition to PHP/MySQL for Web Programming.

I have looked at Fortran programs but never had to learn the language.
It is on a PDP 11 that we shutdown in the late 90's.



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Re: [CentOS] Re: Ole Fossils [ was Re: ls and rm: "argument list too long"]

2008-10-24 Thread Raymond Lillard
Scott Silva wrote:
> on 10-24-2008 3:21 PM Phil Schaffner spake the following:
>> On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:19 -0400, Ed Westphal wrote:
>>> Forgive my senility, but I'm continually amazed how many of us ole 
>>> fossils are still around, and running Linux! Not to use up too much 
>>> bandwidth, but the switch from Fortran 2 to 2D, for disk, was a big 
>>> event way back when. Then Fortran 4 came around! Be still my old
>>> heart!
>> WAY OT, but since the thread has already been hijacked, can't resist a
>> trip down memory lane...
>>
>> Ah yes, how fondly I remember running FORTRAN from punched tape on the
>> Data General Nova "minicomputer".  At least it was not prone to dropping
>> the 80-column card deck and having to re-sort it.  Then we got the 8"
>> hard-sector floppy drive.  Luxury!  Still had to boot it up with the
>> correct sequence of flips of the front panel switches, but actually had
>> somewhere to save output data as well as load programs - up to 256KB.
>> Did real-time data acquisition using an 8-bit A/D and ran fast Fourier
>> transforms to get frequency domain responses using ASCII graphics on a
>> printer.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_General_Nova
>>
>> Seem to remember an "old farts" thread on this list a while back, so I
>> guess "ole fossils" sounds a bit better. :-)
>>
>> Phil
> I remember numbering on the back of cards with a pencil as a backup when you
> dropped the deck. And of course you numbered by tens just in case you had to
> insert something.

That's why you punch sequence numbers in the
last 8 columns.  :-)

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Re: Ole Fossils [ was Re: [CentOS] ls and rm: "argument list too long"]

2008-10-24 Thread Lanny Marcus
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Phil Schaffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:19 -0400, Ed Westphal wrote:
>> Forgive my senility, but I'm continually amazed how many of us ole
>> fossils are still around, and running Linux! Not to use up too much
>> bandwidth, but the switch from Fortran 2 to 2D, for disk, was a big
>> event way back when. Then Fortran 4 came around! Be still my old
>> heart!

> Seem to remember an "old farts" thread on this list a while back, so I
> guess "ole fossils" sounds a bit better. :-)

Phil: Smells better too.  :-)I remember the line printers we had,
for the IBM 7090's, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_7090in the
NOC of an Airline Reservation Center.  I think they were about 30% the
size of our home office.  :-)   Lanny
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Re: [CentOS] Re: Ole Fossils [ was Re: ls and rm: "argument list too long"]

2008-10-24 Thread Phil Schaffner
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 16:16 -0700, Raymond Lillard wrote:
> That's why you punch sequence numbers in the
> last 8 columns.  :-)

... and some of the fancier card readers would even sort them for you,
but remember to number by some integer >> 1 or you had to redo the whole
remainder of the deck to insert a line.


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Re: [CentOS] Re: Ole Fossils [ was Re: ls and rm: "argument list too long"]

2008-10-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008, Phil Schaffner wrote:
>On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 16:16 -0700, Raymond Lillard wrote:
>> That's why you punch sequence numbers in the
>> last 8 columns.  :-)
>
>... and some of the fancier card readers would even sort them for you,
>but remember to number by some integer >> 1 or you had to redo the whole
>remainder of the deck to insert a line.

The Burroughs Medium Systems mainframes I worked on allowed one to store
the program on disk, then compile with modifications in a card deck, using
the sequence numbers to replace or insert lines from the cards.  There were
options to create a new disk file with the patches included, and to
resquence the source on disk.  Typically there were several card desks in a
drawer which could be loaded to recreate the patched disk file by loading
them in sequence which was fine until the disk file was resequenced when it
was time to punch new cards from the disk file to replace the original deck
and patches.  Punch cards were far more reliable backup than mag tape and
in a pinch one could read the printing on the card to fix a badly damaged
card (it was amazing how fast a card reader jam could turn the first card
into an accordian fold).

COBOL had the sequence numbers in the first six columns while FORTRAN in
the last eight.

I always laughed at the early quiz shows where they had a ``computer''
selecting the questions -- where the computer was really a card sorter that
would select the picked question into a specific bin.

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Re: [CentOS] Re: ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread fred smith
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:15:31PM -0500, Michael Peterson wrote:
> I have been learning and using COBOL since the mid 80's.
> I use COBOL at the present time for Web Programming also.
> The COBOL we use runs on UNIX and Linux.
> I use it in addition to PHP/MySQL for Web Programming.
> 
> I have looked at Fortran programs but never had to learn the language.
> It is on a PDP 11 that we shutdown in the late 90's.

PDP-11... now there was a nice machine! That's where I first learned
Assembly language--and I definitely was spoiled by that. Now when I
look at assembler for, e.g. 80x86 machines I want to throw up. Nothing
has been anything as nice to program in since with the possible exception
of the 68000 family which had a lot of similarities.

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Re: Ole Fossils [ was Re: [CentOS] ls and rm: "argument list too long"]

2008-10-24 Thread MHR
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Phil Schaffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:19 -0400, Ed Westphal wrote:
>>> Forgive my senility, but I'm continually amazed how many of us ole
>>> fossils are still around, and running Linux! Not to use up too much
>>> bandwidth, but the switch from Fortran 2 to 2D, for disk, was a big
>>> event way back when. Then Fortran 4 came around! Be still my old
>>> heart!
> 
>> Seem to remember an "old farts" thread on this list a while back, so I
>> guess "ole fossils" sounds a bit better. :-)
>
> Phil: Smells better too.  :-)I remember the line printers we had,
> for the IBM 7090's, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_7090in the
> NOC of an Airline Reservation Center.  I think they were about 30% the
> size of our home office.  :-)   Lanny

That's it - I'm not speaking to either of you again.  You're too old!

(So am I - how awkward!  :-)

mhr
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Re: [CentOS] Re: ls and rm: "argument list too long"

2008-10-24 Thread MHR
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Scott Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When I learned Fortran IV in 1980 my teacher said that Fortran and Cobol were
> the languages of the future!
>

Sheesh!  When I learned Fortran IV in 1974, we had the WatFour and
WatFive compilers, and were getting ready to upgrade to Fortran V.
Algol 68 was the language of the future.

All that changed when I learned Pascal at UCSD in 1978, another
"language of the future" that still is

Still, we built a whole OS based on UCSD Pascal 2.0 (and then modified
it extensively) in 1980, and that was fine until I moved into DYNIX in
1987 - loved it, and C, and stayed there.

That's why I love Linux.  Sort of.

mhr
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