RE: [CentOS] Slightly OT? - How do I set up Win98 to access aprinter on my CentOS box?

2008-05-05 Thread John
 
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aprinter on my CentOS box?

On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 15:54 -0600, Joseph L. Casale wrote:
> >However, I also have a Win98 box on the LAN that I would like to be 
> >able to print on the CentOS printer.  When I try to connect to the 
> >printer, Win98 tells me that it can't find the network...?
> >
> >Any suggestions?
> 
> Possibly name resolution issues on the Win98 box?

There was no hosts file - I edited the hosts.sam (sample) file and added
both machines to it.  But there must be more.

> Can you resolve a ping using the exact hostname you use for the 
> printer

I can ping the CentOS host by IP address and, now that there's a hosts file,
by host name as well.  However, Win98 can't see the network at all
- claims there isn't one.  It is running the M$ client for M$ networks (and
for NetBIOS networks, as well), but the network is not getting properly
initialized.  And now we are definitely sliding OT here (is there a forum
where and answer to this can be found?).

> (I assume the CentOS box emulates a Lanman printer? Never printed on a
CentOS box...).
> 
'fraid I don't know what that means - the printer is just available to be
shared via samba and so should be visible on a M$ network (like in the XP
guest?).

I'm going to be playing with the Windows box RSN - when I'm done with it, it
will have Win98, XP Pro and, of course, CentOS, but there's a fair amount of
work to be done before that will work.

mhr

Have you enabled netbios in the win98 machine?

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RE: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread John
 
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But... Can i do that just with centos install cd and 3ware drivers? Format
the volumes with 8TB/9TB/10TB without problems?

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Subject: Re: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 04:09:48PM -0400, Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> > I think it *theoretically* should work as ext3 should to 16TB.
> > However, we ran into issues with userland tools and such.  Possibly 
> > related to x86_64 vs i386 stuff, but in the end to avoid continued 
> > troubleshooting we just used centosplus + jfs.  Works perfectly for 
> > our 10TB filesystem.
> 
> I'm curious what you store that you need 10TB of linear storage?
> 
> I have had 4-6-8TB storage systems, but the storage was always divvied 
> up between different applications.
> 
> -Ross
> 

It's almost all Oracle database dump files... one database by itself is
4.5TB!  Don't ask me what's in these things... :)

Ray
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partitioned with no filesystem). RAW would be better performance wise also.
Or using RAW on a fast SAN network will work also. Hope that machine has
plenty of RAM!!!

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Re: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Brent L. Bates
 I believe Florin Andrei had a typo in his message.  No other file system
will be as reliable as *XFS*.  I've had XFS recover from system failures that
Ext3 would/could not recover from.  If you want dependability, reliability,
and also large file systems, only use XFS.  You'll find none better.  You
should also be using the 64 bit kernels as well, but then, you want that for a
whole lot other reasons anyways.

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Re: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Monty Shinn

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:

Ray Van Dolson wrote:

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 02:36:41PM -0500, Monty Shinn wrote:

Greetings.

I am trying to create a 10TB (approx) ext3 filesystem.  I am able to 
successfully create the partition using parted, but when I try to use 
mkfs.ext3, I get an error stating there is an 8TB limit for ext3 
filesystems.


I looked at the specs for 5 on the "upstream" vendor's website, and they  
indicate that there is a 16TB limit on ext3.


Has anyone been able to create a ext3 filesystem larger than 8TB?

If ext3 isn't an option, has anyone used the kmod-xfs-smp.i686 module 
mentioned on the centos site?  Surely it doesn't have an 8TB limit...


specs:

Centos 5.1
kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5
3Ware 9550SXU 12port raid card

Am I just walking into a big nightmare?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.


I think it *theoretically* should work as ext3 should to 16TB.
However, we ran into issues with userland tools and such.  Possibly
related to x86_64 vs i386 stuff, but in the end to avoid continued
troubleshooting we just used centosplus + jfs.  Works 
perfectly for our

10TB filesystem.


I'm curious what you store that you need 10TB of linear storage?

I have had 4-6-8TB storage systems, but the storage was always
divvied up between different applications.

-Ross

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Ross,

We basically store video image sequences (edited and source) and 
audio/video files on our servers.  We are an editing and broadcast 
design facility, doing mostly HD work.  The files are relatively large, 
and there are a lot of them.


I am trying to "max out" our current server population, moving from 250 
and 500 gig drives to the Seagate 1TB enterprise (ES.2) SATA drives 
using the 12 port 3ware raid card.


I have at least 4 servers that I am wanting to upgrade this way.

They're just file servers running NFS and Samba.

Do I *need* a 10TB partition?  No, not really.  I could segment into 2 
5TB partitions if needed, and I may still end up doing that.  I am 
beginning to wonder if the >8TB ext3 limit has been vetted enough.  It 
is just easier for the users if it was one partition.


I have to say when the mkfs.ext3 code hasn't been changed to allow >8TB 
partitions without adding the -F, (which did seem to work) it gives me 
pause.


Naively perhaps, I didn't think it would be an issue.

Thanks,

Monty
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Re: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Jim Perrin
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Brent L. Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I believe Florin Andrei had a typo in his message.  No other file system
>  will be as reliable as *XFS*.  I've had XFS recover from system failures that
>  Ext3 would/could not recover from.  If you want dependability, reliability,
>  and also large file systems, only use XFS.


Have you also had emacs write files where vim would not? Have you had
qmail deliver where postfix would not? I mean, if you're going to
attempt to start a holy war here in the mailing list, why stop at just
filesystems :-P

I believe XFS has some very good points where ext3 definitely lacks.
That said, on RHEL/CentOS with the 4k stack compilation, xfs on x86
systems where you were using an abstraction layer (lvm, software raid,
etc) xfs could get angry with you pretty quickly.  EXT3 is widely
regarded as being more stable than others over the long-term, which is
why it's the default for a number of distros. Personal experiences may
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Re: [CentOS] wine question

2008-05-05 Thread John Thomas

fred smith wrote:

 to  use the Centos-released version of wine to run the
software installers for quite a few apps. However, at no time during the
installer do I actually see any text in any of the dialogs that appear.
This makes it a little hard to choose options :)


I had this problem.  The solution was provided on this list.  From my 
notes (sorry, no credit to the person who provided the info):


I resolved the problem copying the fonts from windows, I know that this 
is not the best solution but it works with that,  y copied the fonts 
from c:/windows/fonts and pasted on  /home/user/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts

after I did that finally I got a wine menu with fonts

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Re: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Martyn Drake
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Monty Shinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  We basically store video image sequences (edited and source) and
> audio/video files on our servers.  We are an editing and broadcast design
> facility, doing mostly HD work.  The files are relatively large, and there
> are a lot of them.

Having worked for a large film and television post-production facility
in London for just over six years, XFS has been the primary filesystem
for all our servers.  Much of the data was split across multiple disk
servers - each with around 2-3Tb of data.  The whole filesystem was
presented to the workstations over NFS with scripts to manage links to
the different file servers - presenting a unified filesystem to the
artist.  XFS had given us the performance and reliability required and
has gotten us out of some nasty scrapes.

It's a shame that RHEL/CentOS does not include XFS as a choice of
filesystem out of the box without having to compile the XFS module or
use CentOS Extras repository, but perhaps one day it may happen.. ;)

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RE: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Monty Shinn wrote:
> 
> Ross,
> 
> We basically store video image sequences (edited and source) and 
> audio/video files on our servers.  We are an editing and broadcast 
> design facility, doing mostly HD work.  The files are relatively large, 
> and there are a lot of them.
> 
> I am trying to "max out" our current server population, moving from 250 
> and 500 gig drives to the Seagate 1TB enterprise (ES.2) SATA drives 
> using the 12 port 3ware raid card.
> 
> I have at least 4 servers that I am wanting to upgrade this way.
> 
> They're just file servers running NFS and Samba.
> 
> Do I *need* a 10TB partition?  No, not really.  I could segment into 2 
> 5TB partitions if needed, and I may still end up doing that.  I am 
> beginning to wonder if the >8TB ext3 limit has been vetted enough.  It 
> is just easier for the users if it was one partition.
> 
> I have to say when the mkfs.ext3 code hasn't been changed to allow >8TB 
> partitions without adding the -F, (which did seem to work) it gives me 
> pause.
> 
> Naively perhaps, I didn't think it would be an issue.

Makes sense, does NFS support sharing such large volumes? I suppose
that will depend on both the server version of NFS and the client,
but it's something you need to keep in mind.

I think for a large file file system xfs is probably what you want,
but you will want to run CentOS 64-bit with the 8k stacks to see
it's full robustness and stability.

Some people think xfs is good everywhere, but that's simply not
true, I always recommend putting the OS on ext3 and then choosing
the file system for your application data that best suits the
application. Basically you have ext3, jfs, xfs, gfs and ocfs, the
last 2 being clustered file systems. ext3 is good because it is
widely supported and performs well under mixed work load, jfs is
supposedly excellent if you have a lot of small files like a
mail/news server, xfs for large files and of course gfs or ocfs
for clusters that need simultaneous file system access from
multiple nodes (but they are slower due to locking overhead).

If you have volumes over 8TB then you really need to use either
jfs or xfs depending on the application and if you are using
xfs I highly recommend you run 64-bit for stability reasons.

-Ross

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[CentOS] kingston usb memory stick and file mode permissions

2008-05-05 Thread James B. Byrne
I wish to change the ownership and access permissions of files and directories
contained on this device.  The device is immediately recognized and mounted
when plugged in and I can create and move files on it.  However, I cannot
change either the permissions or the owner of any file or directory on this
device, nor of the device mount itself, whether logged in as the owner or as
root.

Why is this so and is their any way to alter this behaviour.

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Re: [CentOS] kingston usb memory stick and file mode permissions

2008-05-05 Thread Paul Heinlein

On Mon, 5 May 2008, James B. Byrne wrote:

I wish to change the ownership and access permissions of files and 
directories contained on this device.  The device is immediately 
recognized and mounted when plugged in and I can create and move 
files on it.  However, I cannot change either the permissions or the 
owner of any file or directory on this device, nor of the device 
mount itself, whether logged in as the owner or as root.


Why is this so and is their any way to alter this behaviour.


Most flash memory devices are formatted with a FAT or VFAT filesystem, 
which doesn't support Unix file permissions.


If you're only using the device under Linux, you can re-format it with 
your filesystem of choice (ext3, xfs, ...) et voila!


If you need to pass the device back and forth between Linux, Windows, 
and/or Macs, then V/FAT (warts and all) is probably the only good 
solution.


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[CentOS] Re: kingston usb memory stick and file mode permissions

2008-05-05 Thread James B. Byrne
Thank you for this information.

Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] wine question

2008-05-05 Thread fred smith
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 06:45:34AM -0700, John Thomas wrote:
> fred smith wrote:
> > to  use the Centos-released version of wine to run the
> >software installers for quite a few apps. However, at no time during the
> >installer do I actually see any text in any of the dialogs that appear.
> >This makes it a little hard to choose options :)
> 
> I had this problem.  The solution was provided on this list.  From my 
> notes (sorry, no credit to the person who provided the info):
> 
> I resolved the problem copying the fonts from windows, I know that this 
> is not the best solution but it works with that,  y copied the fonts 
> from c:/windows/fonts and pasted on  /home/user/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts
> after I did that finally I got a wine menu with fonts

Thanks, John, I'll look into htat.

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[CentOS] SELinux policy module sources

2008-05-05 Thread Ingemar Nilsson

Hi.

I'm trying to figure out where the SELinux policy modules shipped with 
the system live, and how they work. The modules listed by 'semodule -l' 
are the same as those available in 
/etc/selinux/targeted/modules/active/modules, but those are not part of 
any package, and are presumably added and removed to this location as 
they are added and removed to the kernel.


I later found these modules to live in /usr/share/selinux. If I create a 
policy module of my own, is this the place to put it to make sure that 
it is loaded when the system boots? Or do I also need to list it 
somewhere, such in a configuration file? The reason why I ask is because 
there are a few .pp files in this directory that are not visible in the 
list of loaded modules, and they are also not available in the 
/etc/selinux/.../modules directory above.


I today tried to figure out what these precompiled policy packages 
contain, but that isn't exactly obvious. I found .if files in 
/usr/share/selinux/devel/include/... that correspond to the .pp files in 
/usr/share/selinux, but nothing else. The .if files only contain 
definitions, but don't these need to be used somewhere, such as in .te 
files? And what about the .fc files that the policy generation tool in 
system-config-selinux creates? Are such files not needed?


Lots of questions, but the documentation on this subject isn't exactly 
stellar. :)


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Re: [CentOS] SELinux policy module sources

2008-05-05 Thread Jim Perrin
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Ingemar Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Lots of questions, but the documentation on this subject isn't exactly
> stellar. :)


With CentOS 5, you don't really need the selinux module source
anymore. It's usually enough to clear the logs and in permissive mode,
run the offending application. Then 'grep yourapp
/var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -M localmodname'. Check the
module for sanity and make sure it's not allowing god-knows-what, then
semodule -i localmodname.  It'll be there on reboot from now on. no
need (although it's a good idea) to keep the module file hanging
around.

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Re: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Florin Andrei

Martyn Drake wrote:


Having worked for a large film and television post-production facility
in London for just over six years, XFS has been the primary filesystem
for all our servers.  Much of the data was split across multiple disk
servers - each with around 2-3Tb of data.  The whole filesystem was
presented to the workstations over NFS with scripts to manage links to
the different file servers - presenting a unified filesystem to the
artist.  XFS had given us the performance and reliability required and
has gotten us out of some nasty scrapes.


Well, XFS was designed exactly for the kind of scenario you're 
describing. No wonder it performs really well in that sort of situation.


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Re: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Monty Shinn

Florin Andrei wrote:

Martyn Drake wrote:


Having worked for a large film and television post-production facility
in London for just over six years, XFS has been the primary filesystem
for all our servers.  Much of the data was split across multiple disk
servers - each with around 2-3Tb of data.  The whole filesystem was
presented to the workstations over NFS with scripts to manage links to
the different file servers - presenting a unified filesystem to the
artist.  XFS had given us the performance and reliability required and
has gotten us out of some nasty scrapes.


Well, XFS was designed exactly for the kind of scenario you're 
describing. No wonder it performs really well in that sort of situation.




Thanks to all for your help.  I decided to go with XFS, since it could 
be loaded as a module and I have worked with it on SGI platforms for years.


Thanks again.

Monty
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Re: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Florin Andrei

Jim Perrin wrote:


Personal experiences may vary.


Yup. Do your own tests, involving your particular situation, then draw 
conclusions. The average may just not apply very well in your case.


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Re: [CentOS] SELinux policy module sources

2008-05-05 Thread Ingemar Nilsson

Jim Perrin wrote:


With CentOS 5, you don't really need the selinux module source
anymore. It's usually enough to clear the logs and in permissive mode,
run the offending application. Then 'grep yourapp
/var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -M localmodname'. Check the
module for sanity and make sure it's not allowing god-knows-what, then
semodule -i localmodname.  It'll be there on reboot from now on. no
need (although it's a good idea) to keep the module file hanging
around.


I know that you can generate policy modules from audit logs with 
audit2allow, but I'd like to know how it all works. This is for a 
variety of reasons:


* Is the denial because of a bug in the policy with the default 
configuration, or because I made some configuration change that requires 
additional permissions? In the first case, a bug report would probably 
be appropriate.
* Maybe the error actually occurs because of some mislabeled file? 
Correcting a label is surely better than adding some unnecessary permission.
* I might want to develop policy modules for our own software, using new 
file contexts and new types. In this case, simply adding avc rules with 
audit2allow would be inappropriate, since the system does not know about 
my planned policy module.
* I'd like to use the source for existing policy modules as inspiration 
for my own work.


In addition, the policy generation tool (accessed through 
system-config-selinux) asks a few questions and then produces a .te, a 
.fc, a .if and (IIRC) a .pp file for my custom software. I know that the 
.te file is compiled into the .pp file, but what about e.g. the .fc 
file? Is it stored somewhere where restorecon will look for it, or is it 
simply used for the initial relabeling? Can I put it somewhere, like a 
/etc/selinux/.../file_contexts.d/ directory (no, it doesn't exist), or 
do I have to add the corresponding rules to the monolithic 
/etc/selinux/.../file_contexts file?


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Re: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Florin Andrei

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:


jfs is
supposedly excellent if you have a lot of small files like a
mail/news server


Hm, last time I tested ReiseFS turned out to be the best FS for that 
situation. But it's been a while, perhaps things have changed a bit.


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RE: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Florin Andrei wrote:
> 
> Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> > 
> > jfs is
> > supposedly excellent if you have a lot of small files like a
> > mail/news server
> 
> Hm, last time I tested ReiseFS turned out to be the best FS for that 
> situation. But it's been a while, perhaps things have changed a bit.

Yeah, but reiserfs is all but dead these days. At least I wouldn't
plan a long-term deployment around it...

-Ross

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[CentOS] Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Scott Silva

on 5-5-2008 11:41 AM Ross S. W. Walker spake the following:

Florin Andrei wrote:

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:

jfs is
supposedly excellent if you have a lot of small files like a
mail/news server
Hm, last time I tested ReiseFS turned out to be the best FS for that 
situation. But it's been a while, perhaps things have changed a bit.


Yeah, but reiserfs is all but dead these days. At least I wouldn't
plan a long-term deployment around it...


And Hans Reiser's legal woes are deeper than ever.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/28/2243232&from=rss

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9930857-7.html

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RE: [CentOS] Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Scott Silva wrote:
> on 5-5-2008 11:41 AM Ross S. W. Walker spake the following:
> > Florin Andrei wrote:
> >> Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> >>> jfs is
> >>> supposedly excellent if you have a lot of small files like a
> >>> mail/news server
> >> Hm, last time I tested ReiseFS turned out to be the best FS for that 
> >> situation. But it's been a while, perhaps things have changed a bit.
> > 
> > Yeah, but reiserfs is all but dead these days. At least I wouldn't
> > plan a long-term deployment around it...
> > 
> And Hans Reiser's legal woes are deeper than ever.
> 
> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/28/2243232&from=rss
> 
> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9930857-7.html
> 
> But here in California a man can spend most of his life in appeals.

Even though the technology would still be around even if Hans isn't,
there has been a lot of pain trying to get reiserfs to continue to
work well in the kernel tree from release to release. It's very
tempermental, so I don't know if it will last much longer, especially
given the slew of existing file systems that don't need such
work to maintain.

ext4 is being previewed in Fedora 9 this month, so add one more to
the list.

I heard the Reiser FS is going to be replaced with the Peterson FS ;-)

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RE: [CentOS] Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> Scott Silva wrote:
> > on 5-5-2008 11:41 AM Ross S. W. Walker spake the following:
> > > Florin Andrei wrote:
> > >> Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> > >>> jfs is
> > >>> supposedly excellent if you have a lot of small files like a
> > >>> mail/news server
> > >> Hm, last time I tested ReiseFS turned out to be the best FS for that 
> > >> situation. But it's been a while, perhaps things have changed a bit.
> > > 
> > > Yeah, but reiserfs is all but dead these days. At least I wouldn't
> > > plan a long-term deployment around it...
> > > 
> > And Hans Reiser's legal woes are deeper than ever.
> > 
> > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/28/2243232&from=rss
> > 
> > http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9930857-7.html
> > 
> > But here in California a man can spend most of his life in appeals.
> 
> Even though the technology would still be around even if Hans isn't,
> there has been a lot of pain trying to get reiserfs to continue to
> work well in the kernel tree from release to release. It's very
> tempermental, so I don't know if it will last much longer, especially
> given the slew of existing file systems that don't need such
> work to maintain.

Well I wanted the facts about ReiserFS in the kernel and so I poked
and googled some more and the part about the maintenance of reiserfs
in the kernel was unfounded hearsay. The real reason it is being
phased out in distributions (not the kernel tree) is the questions
surrounding it's long term survival without Hans and Namesys to
provide support for it.

> ext4 is being previewed in Fedora 9 this month, so add one more to
> the list.
> 
> I heard the Reiser FS is going to be replaced with the Peterson FS ;-)

There is a punch line in there somewhere, but my mind just isn't
that sharp today.

-Ross

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RE: [CentOS] Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Scott Silva wrote:
> on 5-5-2008 11:41 AM Ross S. W. Walker spake the following:
> > Florin Andrei wrote:
> >> Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> >>> jfs is
> >>> supposedly excellent if you have a lot of small files like a
> >>> mail/news server
> >> Hm, last time I tested ReiseFS turned out to be the best FS for that 
> >> situation. But it's been a while, perhaps things have changed a bit.
> > 
> > Yeah, but reiserfs is all but dead these days. At least I wouldn't
> > plan a long-term deployment around it...
> > 
> And Hans Reiser's legal woes are deeper than ever.
> 
> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/28/2243232&from=rss
> 
> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9930857-7.html
> 
> But here in California a man can spend most of his life in appeals.

I finally read the news.com article and all I have to say is, what
an idiot.

Just goes to show you that being intelligent doesn't necessarily make
you smart.

-Ross

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Re: [CentOS] wine question

2008-05-05 Thread Florin Andrei

fred smith wrote:


Thanks, John, I'll look into htat.


You may also enable the EPEL repository and, this way, install more 
recent Wine packages.


http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/FAQ#howtouse

Or you can manually download and install the packages from an EPEL 
mirror (but that will make it harder to keep up with the updates):


http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/

Wine is making a lot of progress recently, so it's probably worth 
tracking the recent versions.


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[CentOS] OT- Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Scott Silva

on 5-5-2008 2:31 PM Ross S. W. Walker spake the following:

Scott Silva wrote:

on 5-5-2008 11:41 AM Ross S. W. Walker spake the following:

Florin Andrei wrote:

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:

jfs is
supposedly excellent if you have a lot of small files like a
mail/news server
Hm, last time I tested ReiseFS turned out to be the best FS for that 
situation. But it's been a while, perhaps things have changed a bit.

Yeah, but reiserfs is all but dead these days. At least I wouldn't
plan a long-term deployment around it...


And Hans Reiser's legal woes are deeper than ever.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/28/2243232&from=rss

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9930857-7.html

But here in California a man can spend most of his life in appeals.


I finally read the news.com article and all I have to say is, what
an idiot.

Just goes to show you that being intelligent doesn't necessarily make
you smart.

-Ross
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and remove all doubt!"




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RE: [CentOS] OT- Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Scott Silva wrote:
> on 5-5-2008 2:31 PM Ross S. W. Walker spake the following:
> > Scott Silva wrote:
> >> on 5-5-2008 11:41 AM Ross S. W. Walker spake the following:
> >>> Florin Andrei wrote:
>  Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> > jfs is
> > supposedly excellent if you have a lot of small files like a
> > mail/news server
>  Hm, last time I tested ReiseFS turned out to be the best FS for that 
>  situation. But it's been a while, perhaps things have changed a bit.
> >>> Yeah, but reiserfs is all but dead these days. At least I wouldn't
> >>> plan a long-term deployment around it...
> >>>
> >> And Hans Reiser's legal woes are deeper than ever.
> >>
> >> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/28/2243232&from=rss
> >>
> >> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9930857-7.html
> >>
> >> But here in California a man can spend most of his life in appeals.
> > 
> > I finally read the news.com article and all I have to say is, what
> > an idiot.
> > 
> > Just goes to show you that being intelligent doesn't necessarily make
> > you smart.
> > 
> 
> "It is better to keep quiet and be thought an idiot then to open your mouth 
> and remove all doubt!"

No doubt!

The worse part is I don't believe it was premeditated. I think she came
over to drop off the kids and told him oh by the way I'm taking the
children to live with me in Russia, at that point he went into a fit of
anger and threw here against the pillar causing a fatal head injury.

If he had simply called the paramedics right away and told the truth
then he would have received a minimum sentence with parole, but no
he decided to try and hide what happened... Sad really, now he still
loses the children and the best years of his life too.

Oh well, now that the thread has been taken far OT and turned into
a soap.

-Ross

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[CentOS] httpd reverse proxy

2008-05-05 Thread Craig White
I am trying to figure this out and I always seem to have trouble
configuring apache to do more than basic stuff...

I have a web server that has several cnames assigned to it.

I want srv1.tobyhouse.com to be served by apache.
I want to proxy connections to www.tobyhouse.com to cms.tobyhouse.com
(different system)

If I do this...


  ProxyPass / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
  ProxyPassReverse / http://cms.tobyhouse.com


then I am good but it seemed to not pull the assets like css and
javascripts from cms.tobyhouse.com

When I did this...


  RedirectPermanent / http://cms.tobyhouse.com


It sent ALL traffic over to the other server which is clearly not what I
want.

How can handle this? Must I give a unique ip address to
www.tobyhouse.com?

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Re: [CentOS] httpd reverse proxy

2008-05-05 Thread Les Mikesell

Craig White wrote:

I am trying to figure this out and I always seem to have trouble
configuring apache to do more than basic stuff...

I have a web server that has several cnames assigned to it.

I want srv1.tobyhouse.com to be served by apache.
I want to proxy connections to www.tobyhouse.com to cms.tobyhouse.com
(different system)

If I do this...


  ProxyPass / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
  ProxyPassReverse / http://cms.tobyhouse.com


then I am good but it seemed to not pull the assets like css and
javascripts from cms.tobyhouse.com


That should work - but I'd put a trailing / on the target.  The files 
that don't appear to work are probably cached in your browser or an 
intermediate cache.  Check the logs to see if a request even came in. 
You can get finer-grained control by using rewriterules with the P flag 
but you shouldn't need it.  Just make sure the links from the backend 
server are all relative and don't mention its real hostname.


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Re: [CentOS] httpd reverse proxy

2008-05-05 Thread Craig White

On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 17:08 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > I am trying to figure this out and I always seem to have trouble
> > configuring apache to do more than basic stuff...
> > 
> > I have a web server that has several cnames assigned to it.
> > 
> > I want srv1.tobyhouse.com to be served by apache.
> > I want to proxy connections to www.tobyhouse.com to cms.tobyhouse.com
> > (different system)
> > 
> > If I do this...
> > 
> > 
> >   ProxyPass / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
> >   ProxyPassReverse / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
> > 
> > 
> > then I am good but it seemed to not pull the assets like css and
> > javascripts from cms.tobyhouse.com
> 
> That should work - but I'd put a trailing / on the target.  The files 
> that don't appear to work are probably cached in your browser or an 
> intermediate cache.  Check the logs to see if a request even came in. 
> You can get finer-grained control by using rewriterules with the P flag 
> but you shouldn't need it.  Just make sure the links from the backend 
> server are all relative and don't mention its real hostname.

OK - well adding the backslash to the end seemed to fix the issue with
css but the problem is that stuff that is going to srv1.tobyhouse.com is
also proxied over to the same site and I want that to stay at home.

So it still is a problem

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Re: [CentOS] httpd reverse proxy

2008-05-05 Thread Stephen Harris
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 03:14:35PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 17:08 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > Craig White wrote:
> > > 
> > >   ProxyPass / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
> > >   ProxyPassReverse / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
> > > 
> > 
> > That should work - but I'd put a trailing / on the target.  The files 

> OK - well adding the backslash to the end seemed to fix the issue with
> css but the problem is that stuff that is going to srv1.tobyhouse.com is
> also proxied over to the same site and I want that to stay at home.

Try putting a "ServerName www.tobyhouse.com" entry into the VirtualHost
config.

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Re: [CentOS] OT- Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread John R Pierce

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:

No doubt!

The worse part is I don't believe it was premeditated. I think she came
over to drop off the kids and told him oh by the way I'm taking the
children to live with me in Russia, at that point he went into a fit of
anger and threw here against the pillar causing a fatal head injury.
  


I followed the trial blogs day by day on the SF Chronicle site. His 
wife was very close to gaining her US medical license (she had been a 
doctor in Russia), had lined up a good job, and various other 
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Re: [CentOS] httpd reverse proxy

2008-05-05 Thread Les Mikesell

Stephen Harris wrote:

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 03:14:35PM -0700, Craig White wrote:

On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 17:08 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:

Craig White wrote:


  ProxyPass / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
  ProxyPassReverse / http://cms.tobyhouse.com

That should work - but I'd put a trailing / on the target.  The files 



OK - well adding the backslash to the end seemed to fix the issue with
css but the problem is that stuff that is going to srv1.tobyhouse.com is
also proxied over to the same site and I want that to stay at home.


Try putting a "ServerName www.tobyhouse.com" entry into the VirtualHost
config.


I missed that - the name in the VirtualHost directive will just be 
evaluated as an IP address.  To actually identify a named virtual host 
the ServerName must match what the client sends the the Host: header. 
ServerName can only have one entry.  If there are more names this host 
should accept you can have a ServerAlias entry with multiple names.  If 
none of your virtualhost entries have a match and you don't have an 
explict default, the first one is used.


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Re: [CentOS] httpd reverse proxy

2008-05-05 Thread Craig White

On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 17:27 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Stephen Harris wrote:
> > On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 03:14:35PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 17:08 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> >>> Craig White wrote:
>  
>    ProxyPass / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
>    ProxyPassReverse / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
>  
> >>> That should work - but I'd put a trailing / on the target.  The files 
> > 
> >> OK - well adding the backslash to the end seemed to fix the issue with
> >> css but the problem is that stuff that is going to srv1.tobyhouse.com is
> >> also proxied over to the same site and I want that to stay at home.
> > 
> > Try putting a "ServerName www.tobyhouse.com" entry into the VirtualHost
> > config.
> 
> I missed that - the name in the VirtualHost directive will just be 
> evaluated as an IP address.  To actually identify a named virtual host 
> the ServerName must match what the client sends the the Host: header. 
> ServerName can only have one entry.  If there are more names this host 
> should accept you can have a ServerAlias entry with multiple names.  If 
> none of your virtualhost entries have a match and you don't have an 
> explict default, the first one is used.

yeah...I ended up...

NameVirtualHost *:80

  ServerName www.tobyhouse.com
  ProxyTimeout 1
  ProxyPass / http://cms.tobyhouse.com/
  ProxyPassReverse / http://cms.tobyhouse.com/



  ServerName srv1.tobyhouse.com
  DocumentRoot /var/www/html


awesome...thanks Les/Stephen - I can now take my time and figure out
what we're going to do before I make any DNS changes

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Re: [CentOS] OT- Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Ross S. W. Walker

I was basing that on the fact that she had secured Russian citizenship for
her children prior to the divorce, but I cannot get the complete details as I
just don't have the time these days to follow any story in great length.

I still stand behind the idea that it was a case of accidental manslaughter
that was attempted to be covered up.

Is there a court tv mailing list out there?

-Ross


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Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT- Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> No doubt!
>
> The worse part is I don't believe it was premeditated. I think she came
> over to drop off the kids and told him oh by the way I'm taking the
> children to live with me in Russia, at that point he went into a fit of
> anger and threw here against the pillar causing a fatal head injury.
>   

I followed the trial blogs day by day on the SF Chronicle site. His 
wife was very close to gaining her US medical license (she had been a 
doctor in Russia), had lined up a good job, and various other 
indications of planning for a long term life here, nothing indicating 
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[CentOS] Way OT Re: OT- Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Scott Silva

on 5-5-2008 3:24 PM John R Pierce spake the following:

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:

No doubt!

The worse part is I don't believe it was premeditated. I think she came
over to drop off the kids and told him oh by the way I'm taking the
children to live with me in Russia, at that point he went into a fit of
anger and threw here against the pillar causing a fatal head injury.
  


I followed the trial blogs day by day on the SF Chronicle site. His 
wife was very close to gaining her US medical license (she had been a 
doctor in Russia), had lined up a good job, and various other 
indications of planning for a long term life here, nothing indicating 
any plans to leave for Russia.




The fact that he could be convicted with little to no real evidence, but 
someone like O.J. Simpson could be acquitted with what seemed like a smoking 
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Re: [CentOS] Way OT Re: OT- Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Ross S. W. Walker

Ahm, it wasn't money that influenced the OJ case, it was, race, coupled with
incompetence on the side of the prosecution.

Now if Reiser had kept his mouth shut he might have just been acquitted. He
had a good attorney, that attorney gave him sound advise and he chose
to ignore it anyways.

I also believe if he had confessed to what happened he would have received
manslaughter, though after the cover up he would have gotten the max
sentence plus obstruction of justice and God knows what else, but still less
than first degree.


-Ross


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Subject: [CentOS] Way OT Re: OT- Re: ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

on 5-5-2008 3:24 PM John R Pierce spake the following:
> Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
>> No doubt!
>>
>> The worse part is I don't believe it was premeditated. I think she came
>> over to drop off the kids and told him oh by the way I'm taking the
>> children to live with me in Russia, at that point he went into a fit of
>> anger and threw here against the pillar causing a fatal head injury.
>>   
> 
> I followed the trial blogs day by day on the SF Chronicle site. His 
> wife was very close to gaining her US medical license (she had been a 
> doctor in Russia), had lined up a good job, and various other 
> indications of planning for a long term life here, nothing indicating 
> any plans to leave for Russia.



The fact that he could be convicted with little to no real evidence, but 
someone like O.J. Simpson could be acquitted with what seemed like a smoking 
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Re: [CentOS] Watching Netflix movies on CentOS

2008-05-05 Thread Florin Andrei

Rogelio wrote:
Has anyone here been able to view Netflix movies on CentOS?  (It 
requires Internet Explorer, and I'm wondering what the workaround is for 
Firefox)


I wonder if IE + Win Media Player under (a recent version of) Wine would 
be able to play the Netflix on demand movies.


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Re: [CentOS] httpd reverse proxy

2008-05-05 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Craig White wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 14:57:05 -0700:

> 

this is very old-fashioned and unreliable syntax, use this instead:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html


>   RedirectPermanent / http://cms.tobyhouse.com

> It sent ALL traffic over to the other server which is clearly not what I
> want.

I don't understand. Isn't that exactly what you want, redirect all traffic 
for www.tobyhouse.com to cms.tobyhouse.com?

> How can handle this? Must I give a unique ip address to
> www.tobyhouse.com?

Ah, you have several virtual hosts on it and all of them get redirected to 
cms.tobyhouse.com? That's the result of the wrong virtual host syntax you 
use. Use name-based virtual hosts and it will work.

Why don't you solve this at dns level? Wouldn't that be much "cleaner"?


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Re: [CentOS] httpd reverse proxy

2008-05-05 Thread Craig White

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 01:31 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> Craig White wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 14:57:05 -0700:
> 
> > 
> 
> this is very old-fashioned and unreliable syntax, use this instead:
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html

that's what I ended up doing...you took the first message in the thread

> 
> >   RedirectPermanent / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
> 
> > It sent ALL traffic over to the other server which is clearly not what I
> > want.
> 
> I don't understand. Isn't that exactly what you want, redirect all traffic 
> for www.tobyhouse.com to cms.tobyhouse.com?
> 
> > How can handle this? Must I give a unique ip address to
> > www.tobyhouse.com?
> 
> Ah, you have several virtual hosts on it and all of them get redirected to 
> cms.tobyhouse.com? That's the result of the wrong virtual host syntax you 
> use. Use name-based virtual hosts and it will work.
> 
> Why don't you solve this at dns level? Wouldn't that be much "cleaner"?

sure - but I needed a way to do this temporarily to demonstrate to
bosses who don't always understand these technical issues and to figure
out if and how I handle things at the DNS level.

Craig

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[CentOS] Postfix+MySQL - how to create DB

2008-05-05 Thread Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
Hi All,

I'm toying around with Postfix and MySQL on a CentOS 4 server (no longer
using stock postfix and mysql rpms, obviously).  I've read several
"How-TOs", and it all looks fairly easy to do.

The one thing that puzzles me is the table structure for the postfix
mysql database: where is everyone getting it?  Also, I've noticed that
some people create more tables than others.  But, this looks like it's
just based on which bits of postfix people want to put into the
database.

I can just copy the SQL people have posted to create the tables I want.
I'd much rather know if there is an official source for this, though. So
far I haven't found it.

Regards,

Ranbir

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Re: [CentOS] httpd reverse proxy

2008-05-05 Thread Les Mikesell

Craig White wrote:

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 01:31 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:

Craig White wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 14:57:05 -0700:




this is very old-fashioned and unreliable syntax, use this instead:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html


that's what I ended up doing...you took the first message in the thread


  RedirectPermanent / http://cms.tobyhouse.com
It sent ALL traffic over to the other server which is clearly not what I
want.
I don't understand. Isn't that exactly what you want, redirect all traffic 
for www.tobyhouse.com to cms.tobyhouse.com?



How can handle this? Must I give a unique ip address to
www.tobyhouse.com?
Ah, you have several virtual hosts on it and all of them get redirected to 
cms.tobyhouse.com? That's the result of the wrong virtual host syntax you 
use. Use name-based virtual hosts and it will work.


Why don't you solve this at dns level? Wouldn't that be much "cleaner"?


sure - but I needed a way to do this temporarily to demonstrate to
bosses who don't always understand these technical issues and to figure
out if and how I handle things at the DNS level.


Its actually very useful to access backend hosts on private networks or 
to transparently spread the load across several machines.


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Re: [CentOS] ext3 filesystems larger than 8TB

2008-05-05 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, May 05, 2008, Florin Andrei wrote:
>Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
>>
>>jfs is
>>supposedly excellent if you have a lot of small files like a
>>mail/news server
>
>Hm, last time I tested ReiseFS turned out to be the best FS for that 
>situation. But it's been a while, perhaps things have changed a bit.

Best only if one ignores the reiserfs' tendency to trash data,
particularly on abnormal shutdowns.

Bill
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