Re: [CentOS] strange error in df -h

2008-04-02 Thread Ray Leventhal

Filipe Brandenburger wrote:

Hi,

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Ray Leventhal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

 # mount
 ...
 st0 on status type unknown (rw)
 /dev/st0 on status type unknown (rw)



Well, obviously these are the two that are causing the problem. st0
seems to be tape drive, but this should never be mounted, as tapes are
character devices and not block devices.

You can see that those are not listed in /proc/mounts, which means the
kernel doesn't know anything about those being mounted. This means
they are only listed in /etc/mtab, maybe you might edit that file,
look for those entries and remove them, after that df -h should work
just fine.

But that won't tell us why exactly those entries ended up being added
there. Do you have any backup software that might be using the tape
drive in a strange way? Or a backup software that is configured to use
that device as a disk? Or another software (not necessarily backup
related) that is configured to use those devices? Do you really have a
tape drive on that machine?

Anyway, you might also try to reboot the machine and see if the
problem still happens or ceases to happen.
  

Hi Filipe,

Yes, there is an actual tape drive in /dev/st0, so that's no mystery.  
The other drives were intended to be used but haven't been fdisk'd so far.
The tape drive is used nightly with Arkeia Network Backup (commercial 
software with which I am in no way affiliated, but recommend highly).


Regards,
-Ray

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Re: [CentOS] sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread Brent L. Bates
 Sendmail used to automatically compare creation dates of the text and
database aliases files and when the text one was newer than the database one,
sendmail would automatically update the database file at a convenient time.
 This made a lot of sense.  However, the powers that be decided to break this
great feature and removed it.  I copied it back into to source we use.

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   1. CESA-2008:0206 Moderate CentOS 3 i386 cups -  security update
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   2. CESA-2008:0206 Moderate CentOS 3 x86_64 cups -security
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   3. CESA-2008:0192 Moderate CentOS 5 i386 cups Update (Karanbir Singh)
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:06:38 +0200
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CentOS Errata and Security Advisory CESA-2008:0206

cups security update for CentOS 3 i386:
https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0206.html

The following updated file has been uploaded and is currently syncing to
the mirrors:

i386:
updates/i386/RPMS/cups-1.1.17-13.3.52.i386.rpm
updates/i386/RPMS/cups-devel-1.1.17-13.3.52.i386.rpm
updates/i386/RPMS/cups-libs-1.1.17-13.3.52.i386.rpm

source:
updates/SRPMS/cups-1.1.17-13.3.52.src.rpm

You may update your CentOS-3 i386 installations by running the command:

yum update cups\*

Tru
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:07:04 +0200
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CentOS Errata and Security Advisory CESA-2008:0206

cups security update for CentOS 3 x86_64:
https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0206.html

The following updated file has been uploaded and is currently syncing to
the mirrors:

x86_64:
updates/x86_64/RPMS/cups-1.1.17-13.3.52.x86_64.rpm
updates/x86_64/RPMS/cups-devel-1.1.17-13.3.52.x86_64.rpm
updates/x86_64/RPMS/cups-libs-1.1.17-13.3.52.i386.rpm
updates/x86_64/RPMS/cups-libs-1.1.17-13.3.52.x86_64.rpm

source:
updates/SRPMS/cups-1.1.17-13.3.52.src.rpm

You may update your CentOS-3 x86_64 installations by running the command:

yum update cups

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CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2008:0192 Moderate

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0192.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( md5sum Filename ) 

i386:
5cbae21442e131946a4859b72d6c1b22  cups-1.2.4-11.14.el5_1.6.i386.rpm
d4e6882efc06c79c3b9d5ecfa5845ede  cups-devel-1.2.4-11.14.el5_1.6.i386.rpm
56b4fa6e8c1ede669e197272a4278907  cups-libs-1.2.4-11.14.el5_1.6.i386.rpm
976bcdfafbc49f0bfae3ccd2cc588fc0  cups-lpd-1.2.4-11.14.el5_1.6.i386.rpm

Source:
56fb2ffdc04a29bb3b8fd85cb7fa5bef  cups-1.2.4-11.14.el5_1.6.src.rpm
eddfab648a81d254d50fb24034629c5d  cups-1.2.4-11.14.el5.centos.6.src.rpm


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[CentOS] Updating Dovecot package?

2008-04-02 Thread Drew Weaver
Does anyone know if upstream ever plans on updating the dovecot package to a 
non RC version or to even one of the RC versions that isn't so insecure,

And by insecure, I of course refer to the recent rash of bugs which have been 
found.

Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] Updating Dovecot package?

2008-04-02 Thread Matt Hyclak
On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 08:13:06AM -0400, Drew Weaver enlightened us:
> Does anyone know if upstream ever plans on updating the dovecot package to a
> non RC version or to even one of the RC versions that isn't so insecure,
> 
> And by insecure, I of course refer to the recent rash of bugs which have
> been found.
> 

Only upstream knows for sure, but generally they only rebase if it becomes
extremely difficult to backport the fixes. It was done with samba, so it's
possible it could be done with dovecot, but you'll have to ask them...

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Re: [CentOS] sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread Les Mikesell

Brent L. Bates wrote:

 Sendmail used to automatically compare creation dates of the text and
database aliases files and when the text one was newer than the database one,
sendmail would automatically update the database file at a convenient time.
 This made a lot of sense.  However, the powers that be decided to break this
great feature and removed it.  I copied it back into to source we use.


This isn't exactly a source change.  Just uncomment the line:
dnl define(`confAUTO_REBUILD')dnl
(by removing the leading dnl)
in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and restart sendmail.

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Re: [CentOS] sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread Brent L. Bates
 Actually it *IS* a source change.  The `confAUTO_REBUILD' option has been
deleted from the sendmail source files for some time now.  One can put that
option in the sendmail.mc configuration file, but it will not be used because
it isn't in the source any more.  I've double checked this and have looked at
the source.  Now, I suppose if one isn't using a current version of sendmail,
then this option may still be in the version you are using.
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Re: [CentOS] raid1 custom initrd and yum

2008-04-02 Thread Sam Beam
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 01:07, Les Mikesell wrote:
> First cut - in your recovery shell, comment out /home from /etc/fstab
> and see if you can come up without it (log in as root, of course).  That
> will at least give you a fairly normal environment to try to figure out
> why the md1 device is getting assembled but the /dev/md1 node isn't
> created for it.

Thanks Les, that was very helpful (and I should have thought of it...). But 
then it gets weird again:

I commented out the /dev/md1 line and the system came all the way up to the 
login prompt. Great! I thought. Enter the root password and...

kingkong login: root
Password: xx
Last login: Tue Dec  3 13:58:11 2002
/bin/bash: Permission denied

doh! well of course I have done nothing special to the permissions there or 
anywhere else. I can see all the console boot messages and they all look 
normal.

Booted into single user mode, and that works. /bin/bash has normal perms and 
all seems well. What's more, I was able to mount /dev/md1 on /home and it 
didn't complain. Then I un-commented the line in fstab, rebooted and it 
worked all the way up to the login prompt, it now uses all 3 md devices 
happily. But then, "Permission denied" is all I get. Nice system but it makes 
it hard to maintain when even root can't log in.

Could there be some disk error? I have never had so much bizarre behavior from 
one system. Ready to chuck it out the window.

Is there anything else I can try to see what's up?

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[CentOS] How to create LVM after Centos installation

2008-04-02 Thread vincenzo romero
Hello all,

I wanted to create a Raid0 partition using LVM based on 2 LUNs
available;  I was unable to find an LVM GUI selection in the
System->Adminsitration selection in the gui  system-config-lvm is
not available.

What am I missing during the installation?

thanks in advance,

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Re: [CentOS] How to create LVM after Centos installation

2008-04-02 Thread S.Tindall
> I wanted to create a Raid0 partition using LVM based on 2 LUNs
> available;  I was unable to find an LVM GUI selection in the
> System->Adminsitration selection in the gui  system-config-lvm is
> not available.
> 
> What am I missing during the installation?
> 
> Vince

You need to set up a scattered logical volume manually from CLI before doing an 
installation.

Boot using a live cd or the rescue cd to do the manual setup.

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Re: [CentOS] How to create LVM after Centos installation

2008-04-02 Thread S.Tindall
>> I wanted to create a Raid0 partition using LVM based on 2 LUNs
>> available;  I was unable to find an LVM GUI selection in the
>> System->Adminsitration selection in the gui  system-config-lvm is
>> not available.
>> 
>> What am I missing during the installation?
>> 
>> Vince

>You need to set up a scattered logical volume manually from CLI before doing 
>an installation.

>Boot using a live cd or the rescue cd to do the manual setup.

Sorry, didn't read the title.  You want post installation.

You do the scattered logical volume from CLI.

Look at the lvcreate manpage options -i and -I.

Steve Tindall

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[CentOS] Re: sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread Scott Silva

on 4-2-2008 4:41 AM Brent L. Bates spake the following:

 Sendmail used to automatically compare creation dates of the text and
database aliases files and when the text one was newer than the database one,
sendmail would automatically update the database file at a convenient time.
 This made a lot of sense.  However, the powers that be decided to break this
great feature and removed it.  I copied it back into to source we use.

Many newer distros add that functionality to the init scripts. I seem to 
recall that option had some bad side effects, and that is why sendmail removed 
it. I wish I could remember what the problem was.


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Re: [CentOS] Re: sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread John Plemons
Real simple answer, switch to Postfix and dump sendmail.  Then edit your 
alias file to add the aliases, run newaliases and you're done...


john











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Scott Silva wrote:

on 4-2-2008 4:41 AM Brent L. Bates spake the following:
 Sendmail used to automatically compare creation dates of the 
text and
database aliases files and when the text one was newer than the 
database one,
sendmail would automatically update the database file at a convenient 
time.
 This made a lot of sense.  However, the powers that be decided to 
break this

great feature and removed it.  I copied it back into to source we use.

Many newer distros add that functionality to the init scripts. I seem 
to recall that option had some bad side effects, and that is why 
sendmail removed it. I wish I could remember what the problem was.




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Re: [CentOS] Re: sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread Brent L. Bates
 The excuse given for removing the automatic update of the aliases
database file was that it was a security issue.  The thought was that someone
could tapper with the file and cause problems.  However, all these files are
checked for proper file permissions and if they are not set correctly,
sendmail will not work or at least give a warning.  If someone nasty has
permission to change the aliases text file, then they have permission to reck
a lot more havoc on your system anyways and this change isn't going to help
any.

 Personally, having sendmail do it itself is safer than me doing it
manually.  What if I'm in the process of updating the file at the same moment
sendmail needs it.  Sendmail could read a partial file and cause more
problems.  I see this already with the access file.  With sendmail doing it on
it's own, I don't have to worry about it.  It will update it when it needs to.
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Re: [CentOS] Create Install DVD with updates

2008-04-02 Thread Johnny Hughes

Joseph L. Casale wrote:

The wiki explains how to create a dvd with the updates previously downloaded, 
but how does one integrate these into a freshly authored DVD? Is such a task 
possible?



We put out a new dvd every 3-6 months ... do you really need one more 
often than that?




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Re: [CentOS] Re: sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread Les Mikesell

Scott Silva wrote:

on 4-2-2008 4:41 AM Brent L. Bates spake the following:
 Sendmail used to automatically compare creation dates of the text 
and
database aliases files and when the text one was newer than the 
database one,
sendmail would automatically update the database file at a convenient 
time.
 This made a lot of sense.  However, the powers that be decided to 
break this

great feature and removed it.  I copied it back into to source we use.

Many newer distros add that functionality to the init scripts. I seem to 
recall that option had some bad side effects, and that is why sendmail 
removed it. I wish I could remember what the problem was.




Just guessing, it probably relates to the gazillion ways unix-like 
systems have of locking files that tend not to work and the fact that 
concurrent sendmail instances are a lot more likely to conflict than a 
user typing 'newaliases'.


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RE: [CentOS] Create Install DVD with updates

2008-04-02 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>We put out a new dvd every 3-6 months ... do you really need one more
>often than that?

Heh, I don't "need" one more often, but it makes bandwidth easier to manage 
when doing test's and mock installs for example aside from the obvious time 
needed to run the update's.

I created a local mirror which at least cuts dl time and bandwidth down!

Is it possible though?

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Re: [CentOS] Create Install DVD with updates

2008-04-02 Thread Matt Shields
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Joseph L. Casale
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >We put out a new dvd every 3-6 months ... do you really need one more
>  >often than that?
>
>  Heh, I don't "need" one more often, but it makes bandwidth easier to manage 
> when doing test's and mock installs for example aside from the obvious time 
> needed to run the update's.
>
>  I created a local mirror which at least cuts dl time and bandwidth down!
>
>  Is it possible though?
>
>  jlc

Some people might.  I remember dealing with a client in the middle of
India which had a really slow net connection.  So being able to
download updates and "roll-their-own-dvd-with-updates" could be useful
to some.  Personally, I've setup a local centos mirror which downloads
updates once a day, and I use PXEBoot to image all my servers and have
a bunch of custom kickstart files that do a lot of post installation
configuration.  I do this for convenience because I don't want to go
out to a datacenter to reimage a server, instead I just log into a
kvm.  But it's practical for your local office as well.  So if had a
slow connection this is the way that I'd go.

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[CentOS] centos 5.1 x86_64 and ztdummy

2008-04-02 Thread Jerry Geis
Anyone out there using Centos 5.1 asterisk (ztdummy) x86_64, 
2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel?


I seem to be having problems with simple playback on asterisk().

If I do the normal service zaptel start (my configs have 0 hardware 
cards for asterisk)

ztdummy is loaded and when doing a playback() I head no audio.
If I unload ztdummy and do the same I hear playback.

Please dont jump the gun hear and say this is an asterisk issue as I 
dont think so...


This seems to be kernel related. perhaps an RTC (real time clock) thing?

This version of asterisk has always worked for me before on centos 5.1 
but now there is a newer kernel.


Any one know anything about this?

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Re: [CentOS] Icon .png file loading error after graphics driver upgrade

2008-04-02 Thread John J. Lee
A. Before I upgrade the nvidia Linux driver, everything was normal.
All programs worked fine.  Desktop display was OK.

B. After I upgraded the nvidia Linux driver, the icon display on the desktop
was not correct.  All icons on the panel and menu bars became small
empty boxes.
Error message dialog boxes popped up with the message like

'Failed to load image .png
Details: Fatal error reading PNG image files : zlib version error'

I still can run programs by clicking the icon locations.
Most programs run correctly.  Yesterday I found ghost viewer failed to
open pdf file.

Curiosity: If I log in as superuser, there are not problems. All icons are
displayed correctly.  Ghost viewer read pdf files.

-john

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>
> A. Before
>
> B. After
>
> Paste you system log file in the mail /var/log/ messages\ after you boot
> into root and then into you user account, just to be sure  to catch all
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Re: [CentOS] DNS in CentOS

2008-04-02 Thread vincenzo romero
thank you again, more clarification, if anyone can pls shed light ...

>
>  That happens anyway if the forwarder is not authoritative - that is, the
> forwarder will act as a caching proxy.

ok - so my lab.company.com is authoritative, so it should keep a copy
of company.com's information then and be able to respond to queries
even within the domain of company.com?

>
>  It's not really polite to send private IP reverse lookups to the public
> root servers, but I suppose millions of places do...

i'm sorry, but how do i configure (or any pointer pls?) so that I do
not point to the public root servers?  i just followed templates;
whereas, the company.com DNS, I was not the one who configured it.

I think the issues I have encountered are less now
My questions.

1.  From my lab.company.com DNS server - do I need to update my
/etc/resolv.conf file so that it shows:

search lab.company.com company.com
nameserver 192.168.17.2
nameserver 10.100.1.24

2.  With the above /etc/resolv.conf I can ping forward and backwards
hosts, except - reverse lookup to host within company.com's domain
still shows the root servers .. :(

3.  Strangest and confusing, is performing nslookup FROM
lab.company.com's DNS server :

a.  responds to nslookup company.com:
nslookup 192.168.17.1
Server: 127.0.0.1
Address:127.0.0.1#53

1.17.168.192.in-addr.arpa   name = qatest1.lab.maxiscale.com.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] named]# nslookup maxiscale.com
Server: 127.0.0.1
Address:127.0.0.1#53
Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   company.com
Address: 10.100.1.24

BUT it can't find an answer for ITS OWN domain:

 nslookup lab.company.com
Server: 127.0.0.1
Address:127.0.0.1#53

*** Can't find lab.company.com: No answer

  I must be missing something in my /var/named configuration
files?  Please advise.

thanks in advance,



from my lab.company.com DNS server

1.  ping/nslookup


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Re: [CentOS] Re: sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread Chris Miller

John Plemons wrote:
Real simple answer, switch to Postfix and dump sendmail.  Then edit your 
alias file to add the aliases, run newaliases and you're done...


I just don't understand why people still gripe about Sendmail. Yeah, 
it was a force to be reckoned with in the early days, but it's 
stupid simple to configure these days, and it's pretty much the 
default in most *nix distributions. Aside from some folks being 
intimidated by the thought of mc files and running m4, it's pretty 
much *as simple* to configure as Postfix.


If Postfix works for you, hey great, you're free to run whatever you 
want. Telling someone to switch MTAs in the context of "how do I 
restore previous functionality in a program I choose to use" is not 
very constructive.


Not trying to start a flame war or anything, but just had to say 
something.


Regards,
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Re: [CentOS] Re: sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread Paul Heinlein

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Chris Miller wrote:


John Plemons wrote:

 Real simple answer, switch to Postfix and dump sendmail.  Then
 edit your alias file to add the aliases, run newaliases and you're
 done...


I just don't understand why people still gripe about Sendmail. Yeah, 
it was a force to be reckoned with in the early days, but it's 
stupid simple to configure these days, and it's pretty much the 
default in most *nix distributions. Aside from some folks being 
intimidated by the thought of mc files and running m4, it's pretty 
much *as simple* to configure as Postfix.


+1

Preach it, bro!

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Re: [CentOS] centos 5.1 x86_64 and ztdummy

2008-04-02 Thread Chris Miller

Jerry Geis wrote:

This version of asterisk has always worked for me before on centos 5.1 
but now there is a newer kernel.


Any one know anything about this?


I don't run x86_64 on my Asterisk boxes, but I did see an issue like 
this under Fedora where multiple drivers were loaded. This was in 
Asterisk 1.2 about a year ago. Check lsmod to see if a previous run 
of zaptel loaded all the other drivers as it does by default. I have 
a few i386 CentOS 5.1 servers running Asterisk 1.2.26-2 with ztdummy 
just fine.


RTC, was (and may still be) apparently used in the past to support 
SMP, all CentOS 5 kernels support SMP by default. Just throwing this 
out there as a potential debugging direction to go if it is indeed a 
kernel/RTC related problem. For example, you could recompile the 
kernel with UP as a test, but that takes time... Might check out the 
release notes to see if anything in this area of the kernel changed. 
You could also try your same dialplan and audio on an i386 box.


Hope this helps.

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[CentOS] Re: sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread Scott Silva

on 4-2-2008 1:46 PM Chris Miller spake the following:

John Plemons wrote:
Real simple answer, switch to Postfix and dump sendmail.  Then edit 
your alias file to add the aliases, run newaliases and you're done...


I just don't understand why people still gripe about Sendmail. Yeah, it 
was a force to be reckoned with in the early days, but it's stupid 
simple to configure these days, and it's pretty much the default in most 
*nix distributions. Aside from some folks being intimidated by the 
thought of mc files and running m4, it's pretty much *as simple* to 
configure as Postfix.


If Postfix works for you, hey great, you're free to run whatever you 
want. Telling someone to switch MTAs in the context of "how do I restore 
previous functionality in a program I choose to use" is not very 
constructive.


Not trying to start a flame war or anything, but just had to say something.

Regards,
Chris
I was biting my tongue also. I even had a page long reply typed up, but 
decided instead to hit delete and go on to other things.


I still say that the tool you are most familiar with is the tool you should use.

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Re: [CentOS] Re: sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread John Plemons
Having used and configured both Send mail and Postfix, sendmail was and 
had it's issues. I found it much easier to work with on Open Relays for 
example, the draw back with Sendmail and Postfix may be along the lines 
of Windows and a Mac, there are bunches of Windows machines in the world 
so every little hacker writes viruses for them.  There are very few Mac 
Viruses... 

I'm sure there are more people writing hacks and cracks to break into 
sendmail more so than Postfix, so in the scheme of things Postfix may 
just be a better choice.  Like Mozilla over IE...   Thunderbird over 
Outlook


Not a flame, just a thought


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Chris Miller wrote:

John Plemons wrote:
Real simple answer, switch to Postfix and dump sendmail.  Then edit 
your alias file to add the aliases, run newaliases and you're done...


I just don't understand why people still gripe about Sendmail. Yeah, 
it was a force to be reckoned with in the early days, but it's stupid 
simple to configure these days, and it's pretty much the default in 
most *nix distributions. Aside from some folks being intimidated by 
the thought of mc files and running m4, it's pretty much *as simple* 
to configure as Postfix.


If Postfix works for you, hey great, you're free to run whatever you 
want. Telling someone to switch MTAs in the context of "how do I 
restore previous functionality in a program I choose to use" is not 
very constructive.


Not trying to start a flame war or anything, but just had to say 
something.


Regards,
Chris
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Re: [CentOS] Re: sendmail aliases

2008-04-02 Thread Chris Miller

John Plemons wrote:
Having used and configured both Send mail and Postfix, sendmail was and 
had it's issues. I found it much easier to work with on Open Relays for 
example, the draw back with Sendmail and Postfix may be along the lines 
of Windows and a Mac, there are bunches of Windows machines in the world 
so every little hacker writes viruses for them.  There are very few Mac 
Viruses...
I'm sure there are more people writing hacks and cracks to break into 
sendmail more so than Postfix, so in the scheme of things Postfix may 
just be a better choice.  Like Mozilla over IE...   Thunderbird over 
Outlook


Sure, but to be fair Sendmail was essentially the first. There 
haven't been any security issues in a while, and the last few were 
not as significant as the issues prior to 12.X when the submit thing 
was added. I think any of the MTAs are subject to hacking, the 
source for all is available. The hard core hackers seem to have all 
grown up, all I see these days is script kiddies in China trying to 
run dictionaries against the root account. Even the Windows virus 
stuff seems to have died off as of late.


Yes, there are the purists like the Qmail folks that believe that 
Sendmail is fundamentally flawed. Having dealt with both, I'm still 
a Sendmail fan and refuse to run Qmail because :


* The documentation is absolutely horrid to this day.
* The logging is equally as horrid, and I shouldn't need Splunk to 
make heads or tails of an email transaction.
* It's arguably more difficult to configure and tweak than Sendmail 
(i.e. Oh, I need double-bounce too? and Hey, so-n-so wrote a plugin 
for this. It's similar to this other guy's plugin but different.)


As for Postfix, I don't recall having heard anything good or bad 
about it from a security perspective. Then again, I don't have time 
to read mailing lists, I blame Thunderbird for seeing your original 
posting in the little pop-up window by the sys-tray ;-)


Like Qmail, it's setup to be a drop-in replacement for Sendmail 
(same CLI options, etc). Most people I know that run Postfix adopted 
it when Sendmail was still somewhat difficult to work with, during 
the transition to using m4 exclusively and adding the submit queue. 
Difficult meaning you had to read the docs fairly well before 
expecting it to work. Having run an ISP, learning this was sort of a 
coming of age thing.


One thing I do like about Postfix is the LDAP/SQL support, that is 
very cool. If I was approached to do something along those lines and 
Postfix proved to be the right tool, I'd use it in a second for that 
project.


Anyway, blah blah blah. It's almost Beer:30. Happy Wednesday 
everyone ;-)


Regards,
Chris
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Re: [CentOS] Updating Dovecot package?

2008-04-02 Thread Michael Kratz


On 02/04/2008, at 10:43 PM, Drew Weaver wrote:
Does anyone know if upstream ever plans on updating the dovecot  
package to a non RC version or to even one of the RC versions that  
isn’t so insecure,


And by insecure, I of course refer to the recent rash of bugs which  
have been found.


I don't know what version of CentOS you're using, however, with the  
version of Dovecot that comes with CentOS 4.x if you want to use a  
more recent package, there is a suitable one in the ATrpms repository.


That's what I use, and I haven't had any issues with it. I'm not sure  
about CentOS 5.x though.



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[CentOS] Re: Updating Dovecot package?

2008-04-02 Thread Scott Silva

on 4-2-2008 3:56 PM Michael Kratz spake the following:


On 02/04/2008, at 10:43 PM, Drew Weaver wrote:
Does anyone know if upstream ever plans on updating the dovecot 
package to a non RC version or to even one of the RC versions that 
isn�t so insecure,


And by insecure, I of course refer to the recent rash of bugs which 
have been found.


I don't know what version of CentOS you're using, however, with the 
version of Dovecot that comes with CentOS 4.x if you want to use a more 
recent package, there is a suitable one in the ATrpms repository.


That's what I use, and I haven't had any issues with it. I'm not sure 
about CentOS 5.x though.



The CentOS 5 version seems to be in testing, but probably because enough 
people haven't tested it to release it yet.


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Re: [CentOS] Updating Dovecot package?

2008-04-02 Thread Camron W. Fox

Drew Weaver wrote:
Does anyone know if upstream ever plans on updating the dovecot package 
to a non RC version or to even one of the RC versions that isn’t so 
insecure,


 

And by insecure, I of course refer to the recent rash of bugs which have 
been found.


 


Thanks,

-Drew


Drew,

	Upstream V5.2 should include V1.0.7. We just upgraded to it on our RH 
boxes at their recommendation after some nasty startup issues. They were 
even nice enough to give us the RPMs and are supporting it them.


Best Regards,
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[CentOS] Re: Updating Dovecot package?

2008-04-02 Thread Axel Thimm
Hi,

On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 04:04:14PM -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
> on 4-2-2008 3:56 PM Michael Kratz spake the following:
>>
>> On 02/04/2008, at 10:43 PM, Drew Weaver wrote:
>>> Does anyone know if upstream ever plans on updating the dovecot package 
>>> to a non RC version or to even one of the RC versions that isn�t so 
>>> insecure,
>>>
>>> And by insecure, I of course refer to the recent rash of bugs which have 
>>> been found.
>>
>> I don't know what version of CentOS you're using, however, with the 
>> version of Dovecot that comes with CentOS 4.x if you want to use a more 
>> recent package, there is a suitable one in the ATrpms repository.
>>
>> That's what I use, and I haven't had any issues with it. I'm not sure 
>> about CentOS 5.x though.
>>
>>
> The CentOS 5 version seems to be in testing, but probably because enough 
> people haven't tested it to release it yet.

no, it's in testing as every package updating something in CentOS' own
package is and it will remain there forever. There are many people
that don't want the stable part of ATrpms to touch any vendor provided
package.

The name "testing" is very misleading, but that was the infratsruture
that existed and I just abused it. When rpmrepo.org comes to life the
package will be in a better named repo instead of "testing".
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