[ccp4bb] microsoft 3-button wheel mouse with OS X 10.5
Dear All, Sorry for the slightly off-topic subject. We have recently bought a few iMacs for crystallography. I'm not keen on the supplied "mighty mouse" so I have switched to using a microsoft 3-button wheel mouse. I would like to configure it so that it behaves as it would with other unix systems such as RH Linux. i.e. (1) double-clicking with LH button on a file name selects ALL of the file name, not just up to the first full stop. (2) clicking the scroll wheel pastes the selected text AND it can be done multiple times without re-selecting. (2) I would like these functions to work in terminal windows, the ccp4i gui and web pages (and probably a few other things I haven't thought of yet!) AND be able to transfer the selected text between applications. I have installed the microsoft intellipoint drivers that seem to give more control over configuring the various buttons through "system preferences", but I still can't get what I want. Any help would be much appreciated. Many thanks Dave Lawson --- Dr. David M. Lawson Biological Chemistry Dept., John Innes Centre, Norwich, NR4 7UH, UK. Tel: +44-(0)1603-450725 Fax: +44-(0)1603-450018 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.jic.bbsrc.ac.uk/staff/david-lawson/index.htm
Re: [ccp4bb] microsoft 3-button wheel mouse with OS X 10.5
Hi David: david lawson (JIC) wrote: > Dear All, > > Sorry for the slightly off-topic subject. > > We have recently bought a few iMacs for crystallography. I'm not keen on > the supplied "mighty mouse" May I have them? > so I have switched to using a microsoft > 3-button wheel mouse. I would like to configure it so that it behaves as > it would with other unix systems such as RH Linux. You managed to use "Microsoft", "behaved" and "Linux" (albeit RH) all in one sentence without a hint of irony. > > i.e. > (1) double-clicking with LH button on a file name selects ALL of the > file name, not just up to the first full stop. Although your choice of Microsoft products shows dedication to a company with a firm reputation for placing the customizability needs of its customers ahead of its own desire to make profits, the first thing to realize is that you should never ever ever install their drivers. Ever. So if you did, take them out, now, and reboot. I'll wait. It is still early Sunday morning here. > (2) clicking the scroll wheel pastes the selected text AND it can be > done multiple times without re-selecting. When you've gotten rid of the drivers, this should now work. In Apple's Terminal program (as of 10.5) and iTerm (as of 1215), you just set the preference to do middle-button-paste and left-button select, and Blair's your uncle. Unfortunately, in pretty much every other application I can think of on OS X, this, sadly, does not work, and there is nothing Steve Gates will let you do about it. > (2) I would like these functions to work in terminal windows, the ccp4i > gui and web pages (and probably a few other things I haven't thought of > yet!) AND be able to transfer the selected text between applications. I'd like to be at my ideal high-school weight, be paid more than a postdoc, and, well ... Getting the OS X gui to play nice with X11 is sometimes challenging. With the exception of Terminal and iTerm, you have to explicitly put stuff in the copy/paste buffer (command-C) before it is in the system clipboard. Then you can paste to X11 programs with a middle-button click, but this only works if you uninstalled that viral driver. Going from X11 to aqua programs requires selecting the text in the usual X11 manner but explicitly issuing the paste command (command-p). If you are using KDE X11 applications, you are really in for headaches. To get whole-string selection in iTerm or Terminal, there is a preference setting that allows you to input which characters you want to have considered parts of a "word" for click-to-select purposes. Unfortunately, pretty much every other application lacks this customizability, and I know of no system-wide preference setting that would enable you to do this globally. Aqua simply behaves by slightly different rules. Although I am a slobbering OS X fan, this lack of customizability to me, as well as a lack of focus-follows-mouse, it a negative. If you really need the canonical linux behavior, you can install gnome, xfce4, KDE, enlightenment, or any number of other window managers via fink. I've found KDE buggy and the XFCE4 is way out of date. Gnome is probably the best bet, and there is a major effort now to bring it completely up to date in fink. > > I have installed the microsoft intellipoint drivers that seem to give > more control over configuring the various buttons through "system > preferences", but I still can't get what I want. Therein lies the problem, I am afraid. OS X will behave better using the default settings. It may be possible to tinker around with the driver, including separate settings in X11, to recover canonical behavior, but for purposes of sanity, uninstall them first, get everything working as best as possible, verify middle-button-paste works in X11, verify X11 coot and pymol do the right thing, and then if you need additional functionality, reinstall the drivers, verify things like coot and pymol still use the middle button correctly, or adjust until they do, and only then try customizing. Best of luck! Bill > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Many thanks > > Dave Lawson > > --- > > Dr. David M. Lawson > Biological Chemistry Dept., > John Innes Centre, > Norwich, > NR4 7UH, UK. > Tel: +44-(0)1603-450725 > Fax: +44-(0)1603-450018 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: http://www.jic.bbsrc.ac.uk/staff/david-lawson/index.htm > >
Re: [ccp4bb] microsoft 3-button wheel mouse with OS X 10.5
On Jan 20, 2008, at 4:57 AM, david lawson (JIC) wrote: Dear All, Sorry for the slightly off-topic subject. We have recently bought a few iMacs for crystallography. I'm not keen on the supplied "mighty mouse" so I have switched to using a microsoft 3-button wheel mouse. The mighty mouse is better than you think. First, do what Bill Scott said. Then, try putting your mighty mouse back in and clicking on the little apple in the upper left of your screen, then click on "System Preferences..." then, in the System Preference window, click "Keyboard & Mouse". Click on the "Mouse" tab. You will be able to configure your mighty mouse to the exact behavior you want. Don't be freaked out by the unibody design or tiny little roller ball. It works eerily well and will all make sense after you use it for about 20 minutes. Give it a shot. Don't forget that you paid for *both* the M$ mice and the mighty mice, so you should experiment to see which one you like better. James -- James Stroud UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics Box 951570 Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com
Re: [ccp4bb] microsoft 3-button wheel mouse with OS X 10.5
Hi David, since you said you bought a few iMacs, try the mouse first without any drivers on a virgin iMac, if that works, then reinstall those which you had exposed to the drivers for that mouse. All procedures you describe seem to me pretty standard out of the box and work on my mighty mouse (at home), a M$ mouse and a Dell mouse (at work) - I don't leave my mighty mouse at work, otherwise it might find another owner. Could anybody tell me why a three button mouse on M$ XP does not work with the scroll wheel e.g. in the Explorer thingy ? In general before ever installing any drivers, plug the device in first and see if it is recognized, if not then you can still go ahead and install drivers. The only thing that was not recognized immediately in my case was a Nikon Firewire Slide Scanner, I was kind of dissapointed by that, as I had to get the CD out of the envelope and actually install something. Jürgen david lawson (JIC) wrote: Dear All, Sorry for the slightly off-topic subject. We have recently bought a few iMacs for crystallography. I'm not keen on the supplied "mighty mouse" so I have switched to using a microsoft 3-button wheel mouse. I would like to configure it so that it behaves as it would with other unix systems such as RH Linux. i.e. (1) double-clicking with LH button on a file name selects ALL of the file name, not just up to the first full stop. (2) clicking the scroll wheel pastes the selected text AND it can be done multiple times without re-selecting. (2) I would like these functions to work in terminal windows, the ccp4i gui and web pages (and probably a few other things I haven't thought of yet!) AND be able to transfer the selected text between applications. I have installed the microsoft intellipoint drivers that seem to give more control over configuring the various buttons through "system preferences", but I still can't get what I want. Any help would be much appreciated. Many thanks Dave Lawson --- Dr. David M. Lawson Biological Chemistry Dept., John Innes Centre, Norwich, NR4 7UH, UK. Tel: +44-(0)1603-450725 Fax: +44-(0)1603-450018 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.jic.bbsrc.ac.uk/staff/david-lawson/index.htm -- Jürgen Bosch University of Washington Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426 1705 NE Pacific Street Seattle, WA 98195 Box 357742 Phone: +1-206-616-4510 FAX: +1-206-685-7002 Web: http://faculty.washington.edu/jbosch
Re: [ccp4bb] microsoft 3-button wheel mouse with OS X 10.5
On Jan 20, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Juergen Bosch wrote: I don't leave my mighty mouse at work, otherwise it might find another owner. Contrary to popular belief, you can leave your mighty mouse at work. You just have to make sure it stays locked in a drawer like I do--and leave a cell phone on your desk as a decoy for anyone who just wants to steal something indiscriminately. Jürgen david lawson (JIC) wrote: Dear All, Sorry for the slightly off-topic subject. We have recently bought a few iMacs for crystallography. I'm not keen on the supplied "mighty mouse" so I have switched to using a microsoft 3-button wheel mouse. I would like to configure it so that it behaves as it would with other unix systems such as RH Linux. i.e. (1) double-clicking with LH button on a file name selects ALL of the file name, not just up to the first full stop. (2) clicking the scroll wheel pastes the selected text AND it can be done multiple times without re-selecting. (2) I would like these functions to work in terminal windows, the ccp4i gui and web pages (and probably a few other things I haven't thought of yet!) AND be able to transfer the selected text between applications. I have installed the microsoft intellipoint drivers that seem to give more control over configuring the various buttons through "system preferences", but I still can't get what I want. Any help would be much appreciated. Many thanks Dave Lawson --- Dr. David M. Lawson Biological Chemistry Dept., John Innes Centre, Norwich, NR4 7UH, UK. Tel: +44-(0)1603-450725 Fax: +44-(0)1603-450018 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.jic.bbsrc.ac.uk/staff/david-lawson/index.htm -- Jürgen Bosch University of Washington Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426 1705 NE Pacific Street Seattle, WA 98195 Box 357742 Phone: +1-206-616-4510 FAX: +1-206-685-7002 Web: http://faculty.washington.edu/jbosch -- James Stroud UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics 611 Charles E. Young Dr. S. Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com
[ccp4bb] antibody crystallization
Hi folks: A colleague has an antibody they would like a crystal structure of, bound to a peptide. Currently it is a whole antibody. From my superficial search of the literature, it looks like everyone uses Fab fragments in such cases. Is this true, and is it stupid to try the whole thing? If anyone would be kind enough to point me to a good methodological overview for crystallizing these things in the literature, I would be exceptionally grateful. Many thanks. Bill William G. Scott Contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/
