Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
It would be nice if this panel could have option to start the application minimized - for example Empathy, Skype or Pidgin. And a feature, which I think some users will find useful - startup applications added by system administrator (that cannot be deleted by ordinary user) - for example some scripts that will log something, or download something to the desktop. W dniu 2011-10-20 17:34, Matthew Paul Thomas pisze: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat, Firefox, and a time sheet text document.) Every version of Ubuntu has had a "Startup Applications" settings window for choosing applications to open automatically at login. Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 now has an integrated System Settings window (gnome-control-center). But it does not yet integrate these particular settings. So, yesterday I finished a design for these settings in the System Settings window. My design extends the existing "User Accounts" panel; this avoids adding an extra panel, lets administrators troubleshoot login items for other accounts, and lets them set items for the guest account. It also allows opening files, not just applications. I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. <https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems> Cheers - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6gP2sACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecoWiACgvXz7AU7WCnKLQQe3JLdAMMiv e+QAn0ziqngFlwI4G8Et3EDDnEGHBInU =f3De -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- tommy ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Libreoffice integration
Hello, I've been using Ubuntu for a quite long time and the fact that bothers me most is Libreoffice integration. Libreoffice looks very out-of-sync with rest of the desktop. I think someone should look after libreoffice-gtk package. There are some issues: - Dotted outline around labels on buttons - Ruler borders are 2 pixels wide and black (one pixel should be black, second should be shadow; it seems there's incompatibility with Ambiance theme, as it looks better on other themes) - Separators on the status bar are black (the same as above) - Menus and popup menus doesn't look 100% native (padding issues). - Preferences window - widget frames are black without shadows, misaligned up/down arrows on combo boxes - Toolbar - black outline around combo box drop down menus This breaks Unity experience. It could look better even when Libreoffice were using different theme than the rest of the desktop (like Word 2007 on Windows). -- tommy ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Lots of mockups, but what is the problem you're trying to solve?
I didn't mean to be offensive or make claims. But if you don't even read what people have to say, don't ask why users are submitting mockups for Unity, and themes for GNOME Shell. My few short points: - Allow Unity to be extended in Python, C#, Vala, etc. You'll attract a lot more programmers. Extensions is the key to success of Firefox. EVERY mockup could be done by writing an extension (instead of discussing if it's good or not). - Make Dash themeable. This will satisfy your needs (the design) and users needs (desktop). If someone won't like the looks of Dash, he'll simply install/make a different theme instead of sending mockups. For example theme could include labels underneath lense icons. This could be far more descriptive. - Allow people to customize Unity. A lot of people simply don't like the "design" and they're moving away from Ubuntu (like me). I use my desktop for professional work, not Facebook. Newest Ubuntu release is "glossy", not productive (previous releases were of course opposite). - If you think what needs to be located in configuration tool, look at Launchpad. ~1% of users will file bugs against the system they're using. So if you see more than 100 people commenting on a bug, this (statistically) affects a number of your users. This simply can't be closed as WONTFIX. It needs to be fixed, or if this is a design change request, released as an option for Unity. I realize that this won't be done for Precise Pangolin, but I think this is the way to go. I didn't like GNOME Shell's blacky outfit, but I've installed a different theme and right now I love it. You can't satisfy everyone's needs. But you need to remember that a big number of your users are technical users. These are the people that are recommending Ubuntu to normal, non-technical users. I hope this finally will be taken as constructive criticism, not ranting, fighting or anything else. These are my suggestions where to move on. If you're asking what to do with current design, I will tell you to drop it completely. Other user will tell to drop some parts of it. Key to whole issue is ability to configure and theme Unity. W dniu 13.11.2011 03:50, Jo-Erlend Schinstad pisze: Den 12. nov. 2011 22:04, skrev Tomasz Sałaciński: I think there are two points of view. Designer one and user one. Designers wants everything to look and feel consistent. Everything needs to be slick and consistent with other parts of the desktop. Users wants everything to be USABLE. Most of current Ubuntu users don't even notice that X part of the desktop doesn't feel right with Y part. They notice that they can't minimize apps with launcher click, the lenses are something they don't understand, dash works slow etc. Please substantiate your claims. Users don't understand lenses? My experience is that they do. An example: - User files a bug that ALT-TAB works slow. There is a delay after the alt-tab window shows up. As far as I can remember - bug was closed. It's because it's the design. User STILL feels that alt-tab feels slow. A lot of users still thinks that. But it's not by design, so the bug was closed. Of course - it FEELS consistent. It looks consistent. It's a perfect design. But it's completely unusable. I want to know what window I'm switching to, I don't want to be forced to remember my last focused window. And the I stopped reading there. I asked for a few short points, but this is ranting. Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- tommy ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Regressions in Unity for 11.10?
Hi all, Most of the current big changes in the Unity shell are serious regressions in my opinion. I think Unity as shipped with 11.04 is much better. Here are the reasons why: It has the 'Ubuntu botton' integrated in the top panel. I thought that this was a very good idea, because it is in a way the 'window' into the system. With the 'Ubuntu button' inside the launcher, there no longer is a clear distinction. I also think it looks more pleasing to the eye, as it makes the launcher look more or less 'locked' into the top panel. The dash now has close/minimize/maximize widgets, just like regular windows. Very bad idea. It is /not/ a regular window, and should not be treated as such. Using the 'Ubuntu button' (or the 'super' key) to open/close the Dash made perfect sense When an application is maximized, the close/minimize/maximize widgets are hidden by default. To make them appear, the user has to hoover over the top panel. This means aiming twice: once to make the widgets appear, and then again to click on the desired widget. Seems very counterproductive to me. The same is valid for the global menus by the way, but I never found this to be problematic myself. Still, it would be a good idea to at least provide a user setting to keep the global menus displayed by default. The application name still gets clipped (with a 'fade out') when the global menu is displayed. I think that this looks extremely bad. I'd keep the application name fully displayed at all times, and have the menu next to that. Okay, this would mean that the position of the menu is no longer absolute, but that's not a big deal I think. In relation to the previous item, when the application name stays displayed at all times, it could be turned into an indicator-like button, sporting all kinds of 'services' for the current application. These services could include eg. 'kill application', 'take snapshot', 'move to workspace', 'hide', 'tile left/right'... It would also be nice if the user had to option not to use 'global' menus if they want to. Anyway, I've created a couple of mock-ups to make clear how the panel ideally would look like in my opinion: http://www.drumscum.be/var/unity_menu_maximized.png http://www.drumscum.be/var/unity_menu_windowed.png http://www.drumscum.be/var/unity_window-menu.png Please let me know what you think. -- Look, the thing about my family is there's five of us. Marge, Bart, Girl Bart, the one who doesn't talk, and the fat guy. How I loathe him. ~ Homer J. Simpson ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Regressions in Unity for 11.10?
On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 11:35:07PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 31 August 2011 11:08, Omer Akram wrote: > > At the moment is does indeed look weird with the colored buttons, > > the minimize button is supposed to be dimmed out and not > > clickable, close should close and maximize button should toggle > > between the states of the dash i.e. fullscreen/desktop dash. > > Nothing could be more friendly for a first time user of Unity to > > close the dash IMO. see the attached image its supposed to look > > like that soon I believe. > > Why show the minimize button at all if it won't do anything? > > For instance, System Settings only has a minimize and close button > because maximizing is impossible. Unity should do similar and hide > the redundant (or non-working) minimize button. I still think it shouldn't have any widgets at all. It is not a window. It just doesn't make sense to give it those widgets. -- The American Dream: Yes, we can! The Belgian Dream: Yes, week-end! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Regressions in Unity for 11.10?
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:22:51PM -0400, Mark Curtis wrote: >> When an application is maximized, the close/minimize/maximize >> widgets are hidden by default. To make them appear, the user >> has to hoover over the top panel. This means aiming twice: once >> to make the widgets appear, and then again to click on the >> desired widget. Seems very counterproductive to me. >> >> The same is valid for the global menus by the way, but I never >> found this to be problematic myself. Still, it would be a good >> idea to at least provide a user setting to keep the global >> menus displayed by default. >How is it you find it problematic hiding the same three buttons >in same position, yet don't for hiding a menu of varying sizes >and content? Like I said: the remark is valid for the global menus too, but it just doesn't disturb me as much there. Perhaps this is because most of the times I access menus with hotkeys or the [alt] key. -- Van m'n erf!!! ~ Boer Teunis. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
