Re: [Ayatana] On Vincent Moulin's idea of partial global menu in unity
On 27/10/10 21:53, Daniel Silva wrote: > I think Vincent Moulin hit the nail in the head with his idea of windows not > maximized having their menus inside of them instead of the top. ... +1 > > There is only one problem, windows that don't get maximized, yet are big > enough > to fill the available area, in this case there is a tremendous waste of > space, > with the empty global menu on top, the titlebar of the window, and the local > menu bar of the app, and only then the app itself. Of course you could say > that > the user would understand that by maximizing the app the free space dedicated > to > the app would increase, but I don't know how clever users are in this respect > (some kind of test could clarify this). One possible solution to this > "problem" > (I'm not sure if it's really a big issue, I mean, users should get that to > increase space they could maximize the app, right?) is to make it so that all > apps open maximized, but then there's the problem of users who want to just > open > a little program, like a text editor, or a file manager window (or two), to > edit some small script, move or copy a file from here to there (or having a > small script in a small editor program, and a console open to run/compile > it), > For these users, having all apps maximized is contrary to what they are used > to, and may push them away from unity. I do not think this is a big problem. It is only a problem if you have one maximised window and a near maximised window with focus. Then a visual clue is needed to tell you not to use the global menu for the focus window. Greyed out menu? maybe that is extra noise too much or if you click on global menu the maximised app comes to the front? David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Handling workspaces in Unity's launcher
On 29/10/10 11:14, David Prieto wrote: For > example, right now the user does not have a fixed point in screen to reach > the workspace switcher because it will move up and down depending on the > number of open apps. > > I don't really think it's a problem, but even if it were it wouldn't be a > problem inherent to my proposal, but to Unity's design. > Well it is not a problem if you only use the apps already on the bar, and I think that is more the intended use. But I agree this is a problem with Unity design, I would like icons to be in a fixed position. Particularly the non app icons like workspaces. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme - startup
On 31/10/10 12:43, fain182 wrote: > the solution would be use a shorter sound like mac ? > or maybe it's better put a mute button in gdm ? > I prefer the mute button option. A sound theme should be bold and loud enough to be noticed, but as has been pointed out there are times when silence is more suitable. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] "fileless" paradigm (was: File menu)
On 13/11/10 19:00, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 23:39, Appi wrote: > >> >> The file less paradigm works well for music, where there are only a few >> ways in which everybody has it organized: artist, album, and genre. This >> explains why most snip > this is just an example... > please name the issues you see, i don't see any! It's just only > implementation that takes time, code, energy.. > Well looking on my system I have a directory for a charity I am a director of, docs, photos & spreadsheets. A directory of a software project I worked on, docs, source & executables. One for the waterskiing, mostly videos, but some docs and saved web pages. I could go on but it would show how chaotic my filing is. So I am open to a better way to organise my life, but I do have my doubts that linking docs together because they are docs will help. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] "fileless" paradigm
On 13/11/10 21:05, cmaglothin wrote: > To combat your argument that you need folders to keep organized, why not > just supliment the idea of sorting by type with the adding of "projects." > Not only could you search by filetype but you could link together files that > are related in topic and have the "projects" searchable or tagged by their > keyword. > > On Nov 13, 2010 2:55 PM, "David Stevenson" wrote: > > On 13/11/10 19:00, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 23:39, Appi snip > >> this is just an example... >> please name the issues you see, i don't see any! It's just only >> imp... > Well looking on my system I have a directory for a charity I am a > director of, docs, photos & spreadsheets. A directory of a software > project I worked on, docs, source & executables. One for the > waterskiing, mostly videos, but some docs and saved web pages. > I could go on but it would show how chaotic my filing is. So I am open > to a better way to organise my life, but I do have my doubts that > linking docs together because they are docs will help. > David > So I want to read up the minutes to an old committee meeting, I search for "committee minutes", what do I then get? a list of those documents. I guess if I search for "committee minutes June 2010" it could then open it directly for me. Part of the problem is changing the way I think about the things stored on the machine, I think in files. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] More complete Applications view
On 05/12/10 10:01, cyrildz wrote: > Le vendredi 03 décembre 2010 à 11:04 +0100, Vincent Moulin a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> Here are my ideas about the Unity applications view. This is not perfect >> and finished, but my goal was just to show other options and inspire. >> >> http://dropbox.nilux.org/unity-app-view.pdf >> >> Feel free to comment! I can provide the original SVGs if needed. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Vincent Moulin > +1 > > Hi, I really like the idea of this mock up. Just the Place item looks > inappropriate. maybe another Application category could take place of > the "Places" item and yes, the 3. > > Have a good day all. +1 Clear, useful and looks good. For touch screen use the 'more' may be a bit small, the obvious answer to this is to make the clicking the large icon give 'more' but not sure if it is necessary to indicate this or how. I would ask that the categories are configurable, to me an important part of any open desktop is the ability to set it up as you want it. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Menu bar integrated in title bar in Unity
On 18/02/11 04:38, Greg K Nicholson wrote: >> Why not integrate (and hide) the menu bar in the title bar instead for >> ummaximized windows? > > This makes sense logically. I also like this idea. My top panel has always been full, the first thing I do on any install is to delete the bottom bar and put all the information I want in the top bar. So now I need to hide information I have been used to having visible to make room for menus while leaving a title bar empty. > The massive downside to all of this is Fitts's law: the effective > target area of a menu bar is vastly reduced when it isn't at the > screen's edge. For that reason alone, and despite its logical and > aesthetic elegance, I think we have to reject this idea. Have users really been having problems clicking on menus? I know we are all different but I would not have thought this affected many users. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Design problems in general
On 16/03/11 13:01, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Especially given the huge role habituation and familiarity play in early > evaluation of concepts and implementations by users. > > It's a small step from workflow to ritual. > > Sometimes the problem may be certain users stubbornness rather than > anything else, especially if you design for the long term. So the answer > may have to be wrapped up in a strategy to "sell" it. > I do agree, much written on this list is about familiarity. But it is also about preferences, ie. some people prefer keyboard commands and some prefer using the mouse. In simplifying the UI we are reducing choice. I like simple I also like choice I am optimistic we will end up with a good design, but for me there is a lot more discussion to go. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity
On 28/03/11 11:44, Vishnoo wrote: > We really need to collect mass user data as to how people are using > their application windows, at what sizes they use the app and how often > they are resizing. While I absolutely agree on collecting user data, I am concerned with the idea that we then try to find a highest common multiple and force everyone to use it. FOSS is about choice, not conforming to predefined norms. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu welcome center
On 13/05/11 11:43, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > What do you guys think about the "Welcome Center" idea? I agree. Although as other have said this is already there to some extent, I do think a basic install and then directly into a way to expand it to suit your needs would be good. I feel the 'one default system fits all' approach makes Ubuntu look much like some other commercial offerings. The software centre is a important part of what makes Ubuntu different, and introducing new users to it on the first boot is important. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Thoughts on Unity design
On 19/05/11 22:49, Ed Lin wrote: > The mailing list is for discussions. I think we (the people posting > here since the release of natty and the last few months or so) reached > a consensus that some changes to the Unity application menu with a > focus on desktops is needed better sooner than later (i.e. in > Oneiric). I haven't heard or seen a SINGLE one coherently arguing that > a global menu on a large desktop monitor is objectively better (if I > missed one, please point it out to me). Therefore I'd conclude it's > save to open a bug on launchpad. The more difficult question is the > solution. > > > Please let me know if I left out anything important. This mail is > intended as a complete summary of the main points mentioned on the > list. Viewed from a slightly different perspective, there is a view that the existing menu layout is best for newbies and this list consists of traditional power users which is why they don't like it. I do not agree with this, but I think it is a valid argument. Jono proposed a power user group, who could create there own variations / tweaks. http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/18/creating-an-ubuntu-power-user-community/ I think this is a positive way forward. And I believe such tweaks should in time become part of the default build, but that is less important than they are available to me, and any one else who wants them. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
