Re: [Ayatana] Idea: windicator add-ons, an extensible window border

[Christian Giordano]

So you would mainly create this API for final users for the file system or
also for the global menu?

I am just a bit concerned that there will be too many windicators
(with consequentially too similar icons). The operations you can do with
files in the filesystem can be so many. I like personalization, I think it's
an important part in Linux, I am just a bit concerned on the visual
implications. Having an icon for any script someone can think of might bring
to big consistency problems from computer to computer like "is that the same
icon I have on mine?".

Cheers, chr

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Mark Shuttleworth  wrote:

> On 11/06/10 10:08, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> > The ideal screenshot tool would instantly take a screenshot of the whole
> > screen, *and* one of the current window, just in case you wanted either
> > of those, and *then* show its own interface giving you the option of
> > saving/publishing either of them or taking a screenshot of something
> > else. All the screenshot tools I've seen get this basic, basic thing
> > wrong. They act as if taking a screenshot is an incredibly strenuous
> > activity for the computer, and it's vital that you first specify exactly
> > what you want a screenshot of, never mind that that thing might have
> > disappeared in the meantime.
>
> Is it on the list? ;-)
>
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Re: [Ayatana] Maverick Movies!

[Christian Giordano]

Shouldn't we promote our style guides? Sure they probably don't include
video editing/transitions etc, but the typography of some of those videos is
just too inconsistent.

chr

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Mark Shuttleworth  wrote:

>  Hi folks
>
> I saw this amazing movie from the Ubuntu Ads guys
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzP7mxRFJE and was inspired to blog
> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/489 about
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMovies
>
> Shout if you are interested in helping host the process or participating.
>
> Mark
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Re: [Ayatana] Maverick Movies!

[Christian Giordano]

Sure, it just would be nice to see them linked somewhere :)

Cheers, chr

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Shane Fagan
wrote:

> Well of course we have to get the brand correct and all but we should
> support any efforts to promote Ubuntu.
>
> --fagan
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Christian Giordano <
> christian.giord...@canonical.com> wrote:
>
>> Shouldn't we promote our style guides? Sure they probably don't include
>> video editing/transitions etc, but the typography of some of those videos is
>> just too inconsistent.
>>
>> chr
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi folks
>>>
>>> I saw this amazing movie from the Ubuntu Ads guys
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzP7mxRFJE and was inspired to blog
>>> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/489 about
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMovies<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMovies#preview>
>>>
>>> Shout if you are interested in helping host the process or participating.
>>>
>>> Mark
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Re: [Ayatana] Put a resize widget in the title bar

[Christian Giordano]

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:

> That was what twm did.  The
> problem is that practically every program assumes that it's resized at a
> lower corner, not an upper corner. For example, if you enlarge a Web
> browser window, the top of the visible area will stay where it is while
> new stuff appears at the bottom, not the reverse.
>

That's true but my guess is that users are used to this behaviour and the
usual result wouldn't be that unexpected.

Said that, this draggable corner on top-right doesn't look so elegant. We
are already working on making our current approach more usable (see Cody's
work). Once we get there we can evaluate other options, if the problem
persists ;)

Best, chr
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Re: [Ayatana] Consolidating design specifications and resources

[Christian Giordano]

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:21 PM, zekopeko  wrote:
> 3. Learn about design - since Canonical now has a group of talented
> designers it would be nice if they could share (preferably freely
> available material) their recommendations on books dealing with
> design, blogs of designers etc. Basically stuff that can help Ubuntu
> users give better feedback on design issues. Howtos on usability
> testing would also be nice so other FOSS projects can make better
> applications.

For curiosity, do you follow the design team blog? At the moment we
don't have a blogroll or books recommendation section but I think it's
a good idea, I will talk with the rest of the team.


Cheers, chr

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Re: [Ayatana] Alt+Tab in unity?

[Christian Giordano]

I think I can confirm you that there will be alt-tab.

Best, chr

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Daniel Silva  wrote:

>
> Will Unity have Alt+Tab support? The version I'm using doesn't have it, and
> it is quite an handy thing.
>
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Re: [Ayatana] How to handle multi-window launcher icons

[Christian Giordano]

Hi David, can you state a precise use case when this would be useful?
Personally I think that showing the windows on mouse over is a bit heavy (on
your mock-up the application name is also missing). Being based on over
makes it not much touch friendly as well. I wonder if this problem can be
sorted differently. For instance, as it is today, you can easily get to
windows expose clicking on the focused application. Why do you think this
wouldn't be enough?

Thanks, chr

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:02 PM, David Prieto wrote:

> Hi,
>
> One of the few problems I have with Unity is that there is no way to
> perform window-specific actions from the launcher: everything is
> app-specific. I can press the launcher icon to focus an app's most recent
> window, but I can't focus a specific window. I can't minimize a window by
> clicking the launcher icon, see an app's different windows without focusing
> it, or launch a new window.
>
> I propose replacing Unity's current behaviour when you hover on a launcher
> icon (where you only get the app's name) with something like this:
> http://imgur.com/1cP0B.png
>
>
>- When you hover the cursor over Unity's launcher icon, you get a
>preview of all the open windows belonging to that app.
>- If one of them is the active window, it has some kind of visual
>indication (in the mockup it has an orange box around).
>- You can click the active window to minimize it, or click an inactive
>window to focus it.
>- You can right-click a window to get a contextual menu, where you can
>perform operations such as minimize, maximize, close, send to another
>workspace...
>- You can click a button (in the mockup, located at the left) in order
>to open a new window for that app.
>- You can drag that specific window, which solves the problem raised by
>Mark Shuttleworth (
>https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/667245/comments/10) about
>dragging launcher icons to other workspaces.
>
> I would like the Ayatana team to consider implementing along the lines.
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Re: [Ayatana] How to handle multi-window launcher icons

[Christian Giordano]

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:48 PM, David Prieto  wrote:

> Consider that a user without a touch screen wouldn't even notice that the
> second method exists, since the spread would be there as soon as he hovered
> his cursor over the icon, without having to keep it pressed.


I personally think that expose could be too much of a change for a simply
roll over action. This doesn't mean that we can't give a clue from the roll
over to make the click=>expose more predictable.

Thanks for sharing your opinions, chr
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Re: [Ayatana] How to handle multi-window launcher icons

[Christian Giordano]

>
> Hi David,

I'm not sure we're understanding each other here. When you mention expose
> there, are you talking about the same expose effect Unity does now when you
> click the workspace switcher? Or about the desktop spread I was proposing?
>

I mean expose like Compiz/MacOS expose, what Unity does already at the
moment when you click on a running and focused application. That is a
different thing to workspace switcher.


>
> If you mean the latter, please bear in mind that I'm not proposing a full
> expose but merely a window preview, not unlike Compiz's alt+tab effect,
> which is much less intrusive than expose.
>

Ah, now I think I understand what you mean. Well, this could be eventually
the hint I was talking about.


> Please let's try to use more specific vocabulary:
>
>- Window spread: thumbnails of an app's windows, triggered when the
>mouse hovers over a launcher icon.
>- App expose: expose effect that happens when you click on the launcher
>icon of an active window.
>- General expose: expose effect that happens when you click the
>workspace switcher.
>
> I wouldn't call workspace switcher "expose", it's more a zoom visual
effect.


> Also, can I ask if you have an alternative method to launch a second stance
> of a running app from the launcher?
>

This is an interesting corner case, thanks for pointing it out, could you
tell me some applications which are meant to be working in this way? I guess
in this case we could handle it via quick menu, just a thought.


> Or from dragging a file to a covered window?
>

Is this the problem you are trying to solve with your "window spread"?


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Re: [Ayatana] How to handle multi-window launcher icons

[Christian Giordano]

Hi David,

This is an interesting corner case, thanks for pointing it out, could you
>> tell me some applications which are meant to be working in this way? I guess
>> in this case we could handle it via quick menu, just a thought.
>>
>
> For example, Firefox. My mom used to have a panel launcher that she would
> use to open new windows (she's old school and not much of a tab person), and
> ironically she can't use the new launcher for that.
>

In this specific example, a solution could be that Mozilla makes the buttons
to open a new window, or open a new tab, more visible. It's important to
draw a line from the responsabilities of the software and the operating
system, and of course weight these corner cases.

>
> Is this the problem you are trying to solve with your "window spread"?
>>
>
>  Well, I think I brought up several cases where having the spread was
> handier, but that would be the main problem to solve, yes. That was my
> favourite feature from the task list, and the launcher seems to have lost
> it.
>

I think it's something worth investigating. Thanks for share it with us.


Best, chr
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Re: [Ayatana] How to handle multi-window launcher icons

[Christian Giordano]

(no point to write in pvt., maybe was a mistake, btw...)

I asked, for examples, where the behaviour suggested was relevant. I have
only be given one (Firefox) which I guess wasn't the best one. My personal
opinion is that we can't design for everyone or for every case, for this
reason it is important to test and weight all the issues. As it is today,
the Launcher works also as switcher and (I guess) the users which don't know
how to open new instances from within the application, might not use alt-tab
to switch applications, how would they switch then?


Best, chr


On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Bret Kuhns  wrote:

> In this specific example, a solution could be that Mozilla makes the
>> buttons to open a new window, or open a new tab, more visible. It's
>> important to draw a line from the responsabilities of the software and the
>> operating system, and of course weight these corner cases.
>
>
> Isn't it the job of the OS to spawn processes when the user requests?
> Suppose I wanted to run two terminals simultaneously. With what you're
> saying, I'd have to create the second by performing an action in the first
> terminal. Would a terminal's procedure for creating a new window be
> different from Firefox's new window functionality? Asking applications to
> start new processes of itself is asking for fragmentation and user
> confusion. The OS should be the one providing a consistent way of launching
> processes, whether you need one or twelve of them.
>
> Bret Kuhns
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Christian Giordano <
> christian.giord...@canonical.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> This is an interesting corner case, thanks for pointing it out, could you
>>>> tell me some applications which are meant to be working in this way? I 
>>>> guess
>>>> in this case we could handle it via quick menu, just a thought.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For example, Firefox. My mom used to have a panel launcher that she would
>>> use to open new windows (she's old school and not much of a tab person), and
>>> ironically she can't use the new launcher for that.
>>>
>>
>> In this specific example, a solution could be that Mozilla makes the
>> buttons to open a new window, or open a new tab, more visible. It's
>> important to draw a line from the responsabilities of the software and the
>> operating system, and of course weight these corner cases.
>>
>>>
>>> Is this the problem you are trying to solve with your "window spread"?
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Well, I think I brought up several cases where having the spread was
>>> handier, but that would be the main problem to solve, yes. That was my
>>> favourite feature from the task list, and the launcher seems to have lost
>>> it.
>>>
>>
>> I think it's something worth investigating. Thanks for share it with us.
>>
>>
>> Best, chr
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Re: [Ayatana] Usability Resources

[Christian Giordano]

There are books which talk about theory (ie. standard design patters or
Cognitive Psychology), but because the user approach to software
is continuously evolving, and there are always new problems to solve, common
sense, sensibility (noticing the current solutions which work well) and a
very good test strategy could be enough.

Some books I could recommend to start with are the Krugs:
http://www.amazon.com/Steve-Krug/e/B001KHCFUU/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_pop_1


chr



On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Spike Burch  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Anyone have book or website recommendations for learning more about
> usability?
>
>
> Spike
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Re: [Ayatana] More complete Applications view

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Vincent, thanks a lot for sharing your idea!

The home of the Dash can definitely be a good place for more sophisticated
activity launchers and for surfacing content in general. We are exploring
different possibilities around this, so it's great to see that people here
are liking it that much!


Thanks, chr

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Vincent Moulin  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Here are my ideas about the Unity applications view. This is not perfect
> and finished, but my goal was just to show other options and inspire.
>
> http://dropbox.nilux.org/unity-app-view.pdf
>
> Feel free to comment! I can provide the original SVGs if needed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vincent Moulin 
>
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Re: [Ayatana] "fileless" paradigm

[Christian Giordano]

Sorry guys if I am a bit late on this, and didn't really follow all the
discussion, I just wanted to throw on the table a project by some fellows
which might be related and of interest:

http://itsme.it/project/


Best, chr

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Felipe Erias Morandeira <
femorande...@igalia.com> wrote:

> On 12/12/10 15:50, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:22, Felipe Erias Morandeira
> > mailto:femorande...@igalia.com>> wrote:
> >
> > My point is just that there is some research that shows that people
> are
> > good at structuring personal projects in evolving hierarchies. The
> > current solutions have several problems for this, as outlined in this
> > and other pieces of research.
> >
> > there you nailed it!
> > We use evolving hierarchies to structure personal projects.
> >
> > is this good, or is it bad?
>
>
> That's just how we are wired :-)
>
> They (we!) like solutions that have a more or less good mapping with the
> physical world, where things can only be in one place and they tend to
> stay there until moved somewhere else.
>
> That's also one of the reasons that explain why people keep using
> folders and subfolders as the main way organize their personal archives,
> instead of using search-based systems as their primary tool.
>
>
> Felipe
>
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Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start

[Christian Giordano]

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Neil Jagdish Patel <
neil.pa...@canonical.com> wrote:

> I guess you could argue about where it would stop,
>

+1

I think the important is to show clearly that those new tiles are very
special ones, not running, not favorites. Seems to add complexity.


chr
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Re: [Ayatana] Overlay scrollbars

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Marco, on touch interfaces, to drag, you are supposed interact directly
with the page content. You are not supposed to see the thumb, and hence
interact with it.

Best, chr

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Marco Rofei  wrote:

>  New scroll bars look and behaviour as it is in natty today are extremely
> hard to use in touchscreen devices were you cannot use mouse-hover
> functionality.
>
> I suggest to extend delay time they use to disappear when mouse isn't close
> enough.
>
> Regards
> MR
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Re: [Ayatana] Balsamiq

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Andrea, as you can imagine, sharing a serial publicly online is not the
brightest thing to do. Balsamiq provides serial if you work on an
open-source project. Unfortunately, I don't think they are willing to
provide it to anyone who wants to contribute sporadically to a project,
hence not officially involved. The best thing you can do is contact/ask them
directly (http://support.balsamiq.com/customer/portal/articles/105924), or
looking for a license-free software.

Best, chr

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:22 PM, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> thanks to a kind reply from Jono to a comment I did on one of his
> posts, I discovered Balsamiq.
> I installed it and tested a bit and later I discovered this:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/launchpad-users@lists.launchpad.net/msg01068.html
>
> Since I was going to use it to prepare some mockups for Unity-2d I did
> think I could use it and I used the serial provided.
> At the beginning it worked, telling me that the software was correctly
> registered, then when I started it again it said my demo period was
> expired and trying to use that serial again gave me an error: this
> serial key has been blacklisted
>
> Is the Balsamiq offer no more valid for Ubuntu contributors? Do we
> have an update serial to use?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> --
> Andrea Grandi - Nokia Qt Ambassador
> website: http://www.andreagrandi.it
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Re: [Ayatana] Is there any way to increase the size of overlay scrollbars?

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Jo, which size precisely? Are you referring to the draggable area? We
call it "thumb". Also, could you give me more information about your laptop
display?

Cheers, chr

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <
joerlend.schins...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On my laptop, I think it's a little bit difficult to use the overlay
> scrollbars. It's not very difficult, but it has been sufficient to annoy me
> from time to time. I think it would help if I could increase their sizes a
> little bit. Is that configurable?
>
> Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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Re: [Ayatana] Overlay scrollbars

[Christian Giordano]

Hi guys,

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Stefanos A.  wrote:

> Two things I'd love to see improved (over the 12.04 video):
> (a) as, the OP suggests, hide the arrows quicker when the mouse moves
> away. This solves the resize vs scroll issue, and makes the GUI feel faster
> to boot.
>

We can definitely play with the speed of animations and delays to see if
this can reduce the conflict between the two operations.


> (b) make the arrows thicker to compensate. This has the additonal
> advantage of improving support for laptop touchpads and touchscreens.
>

During the session at UDS we showed another exploration we are doing that
is about adding a subtle friction to the horizontal movement of the pointer
when passing over the scrollbar and, very important, when its speed is
contained. While we are pleased with the results we just implemented it in
a dummy prototype, such feature requires lot of low level work and might
take some time to appear in the distro. If there is anyone who can help our
engineer, please contact Cimi.
Touch screen are not supposed to use the overlay scrollbars but should
scroll interacting directly with the content.


Thanks a lot for any feedback, chr
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Re: [Ayatana] Overlay scrollbars

[Christian Giordano]

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:12 PM, SorinN  wrote:

> Normal desktop user ? No one think about ?


It is not just about saving screen real-estate but also to remove
chrome/clutter.

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Re: [Ayatana] Overlay scrollbars

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Michal,

> Thumb should not appear until it is clickable/grabbable
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/870714
>
> With the changes for 12.04, not sure if you have seen the videos, it will
be easier for the user to know what the target area of his pointer movement
is because the thumb will be reachable at any y coordinate inside the
scrollable pane. As mentioned in the other reply, we are also looking into
smart friction functionalities to give more precision to the user while
operating in the area and ultimately giving him more confidence. The latter
unfortunately requires low level engineering work.


Thanks a lot for the feedback and bug reports!


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Re: [Ayatana] What's up with all the non-resizable windows?

[Christian Giordano]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:

> > Why? Why are they designed for a specific size, when that's
> > against the Gnome HIG?
>
>
> That isn't true either. The HIG says that toolboxes should be
> resizable, that alerts shouldn't be, and that progress windows should
> be in specific cases. It says nothing about the resizability of
> settings or Preferences windows. And since the Gnome developers
> believe that System Settings shouldn't contain third-party panels (a
> misguided belief, but that's another story), the HIG doesn't contain
> guidelines for designing panels at all.


In the System Settings design guidelines, Gnome basically refers to these
panel as fix in size and states how big they should be in pixels:
https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings


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Re: [Ayatana] Ayatana dev list - attitude

[Christian Giordano]

I very appreciate the spirit of this post, more data is always welcome! ;)

It would be good, though, if we could have better data. Opt-in mechanisms
unfortunately compromise quite a lot the data, not everyone, or more
importantly not every kind of person, would make their voice heard. It has
been a few cycles where we are trying to introduce analytics inside Ubuntu.
As you can imagine it might require some time but that would definitely be
a better approach.

Very recently I wanted to know how many people were actually using the
audio boost functionality in the Sound Settings and I was thinking about
putting a poll online as well. I think the important is to reach the most
assorted group of people, so maybe more than a tool we need support from
Loco's. What do you think?


Thanks a lot, chr


2011/10/16 Tomasz Sałaciński 

> Hello,
>
> My question is about the attitude of making changes to Ubuntu. Most
> replies start with "Users don't want to", "Most users won't do that", "This
> will make users confused". How do you have such information? My proposal is
> to make a "Ubuntu poll" application that will gather opinion from users
> (NOT requiring a Launchpad account). What do you think about it? I am a
> python programmer, I can make such an app.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Sałaciński
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Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Matthew, in your design, is the checkbox close to the application useful
for having the application minimized (as Apple do)?

Said that, I have to agree with the comment from AllanDay, I am not sure
why you would want a file selector considering that some applications
(including browsers) already keep memory of the opened files before they
quit.


Cheers, chr


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> Hi folks
>
> For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or
> documents every time they log in.
>
> (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat,
> Firefox, and a time sheet text document.)
>
> Every version of Ubuntu has had a "Startup Applications" settings
> window for choosing applications to open automatically at login.
>
> Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 now has an integrated System Settings window
> (gnome-control-center). But it does not yet integrate these particular
> settings.
>
> So, yesterday I finished a design for these settings in the System
> Settings window. My design extends the existing "User Accounts" panel;
> this avoids adding an extra panel, lets administrators troubleshoot
> login items for other accounts, and lets them set items for the guest
> account. It also allows opening files, not just applications.
>
> I'd appreciate your feedback on the design.
> 
>
> Cheers
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Re: [Ayatana] Unity Dash mockup

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Andras, to maximize the Dash you would use just the top-left buttons?

chr

2011/11/6 András Bognár 

> Hi,
>
>
> I don't really like the current Dash border, so I started working on a
> mockup (https://plus.google.com/104888645168610370479/posts/BoAcd3c2Ek1).
> Different separator line, thinner dash border. I think the Dash looks nicer
> with the 1px border and with the new separator line the content is more
> focused to the user.
> What do you think about it?
>
>
> András Bognár
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Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login

[Christian Giordano]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:

> > Hi Matthew, in your design, is the checkbox close to the
> > application useful for having the application minimized (as Apple
> > do)?
>
>
> I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. Maybe the design
> is unclear. Do you remember what made you think that?


Just because Apple does it like that :) But maybe is not such an important
feature to have applications minimized, for sake of simplicity, is it?

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Re: [Ayatana] Universal Access font size

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Michael, we are aware of this. Please consider in this case the specs as
non pixel perfect representation. We will tweak with the text sizes once
the new layout is in place.

Thanks, chr


On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Michael Terry
wrote:

> Hello again!  I'm looking into the Universal Access panel visual refresh
> [1].  One thing I noticed is that the spec has the controls all using the
> normal system font size.  Whereas the current panel in Ubuntu uses a larger
> font size to help people with poor eyesight.
>
> Now, of course the larger font size is not necessarily a good idea.  A
> user first has to get to that point.  And there also are plenty of other
> unaddressed universal access issues one might have that would make the
> panel hard to use besides just poor eyesight.
>
> But I just wanted to double confirm that the spec's choice of font size
> was intentional.
>
> -mt
>
> [1] https://docs.google.com/**document/d/**1ILTJDiDCd25Npt2AmgzF8aOnZZECx*
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Re: [Ayatana] HUD design ideas

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Marco, how would the breadcrumb (Level 1 > Level 2 > Level 3) work?

Best, chr


On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Marco Kirchberger
wrote:

>
> Hi,
> yes I absolutely agree with you that is for 12.04 to radical but in
> generally with HUD you have the possibility.
> I think it is important that the users have both possibilities. HUD
> command search and traditional menu (only a other view).
> I created a small picture how I imagine this.
> http://ubuntuone.com/51SemFRa4xFWiWEuwRzx9W
> Sorry for the bad quality but I'm no gimp genius.
>
> regards,
> BlueCase
>
>
> Am 25.01.2012 16:37, schrieb Jo-Erlend Schinstad:
>
> Den 25. jan. 2012 16:03, skrev Marco Kirchberger:
>
> 1. Remove the whole menu from the Top Bar and replace it with a button.
>
>
> That would be way too radical for 12.04. That won't happen, or at least I
> hope so. The last thing we need now, is large and sudden changes. What we
> need now, is for new options to be added, for people to try it out, talk
> about them and then we see what works. Only when we know that things work
> in real life, should it be used by default and things should not be removed
> at the same time as something new is added, unless it is absolutely
> necessary because of a conflict. And in those cases, it shouldn't be done
> in a hurry.
>
> In fact, though I love the HUD as an idea, I'm not sure I'd recommend that
> it be used by default in 12.04. 2-3 months isn't that much time to test a
> radical new idea, and pushing poorly tested, highly visible things in an
> LTS is a gamble.
>
> I like your ideas, and I think it would be better to wait until 12.10 to
> add it by default. By then it should be well tested and it could have a
> more complete feature set. Of course, the decision is not mine, but that's
> how I feel about it. :)
>
> Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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Re: [Ayatana] What to call the unity panel?

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Ted, ...

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Ted Gould  wrote
>
> Personal preference "menu bar" -- that says what it does where "top bar"
> just says where it is.  It doesn't give any more information than what
> the user already has.
>

I see where you are coming from but, besides the fact that there will be an
option for having menu also else where, at the end they both provide
information that the user already has :)

One says what it contains and the other one where it is. The connection
with what the user already knows is obviously important when you refer to
it from a different context. I personally, based on the current behavior,
that the position is a clearer link.

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Re: [Ayatana] HUD design ideas

[Christian Giordano]

Hi Jimmy, ...

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:44 PM, topdownjimmy  wrote:

> ...
>
> When the HUD first appears, menu items could be displayed beneath the
> search box:
>
> |__|
> File
> Edit
> Tools
> Window
> Help
>

This could probably help migration from menus but probably shouldn't be a
long term solution...

Perhaps breadcrumbs could be used to indicate hierarchy:
>
> |__|
> Menu > Tools
> *Preferences*   Menu 2   Menu 3
> Pref 1
> Pref 2
> Pref 3
>
> When search results are displayed, menu items in the hierarchy could
> be clickable:
>
> |_Tools_|
> Tools > Preferences > Pref 1
> Tools > Preferences > Pref 2
> Tools > Preferences > Pref 3
>
> (Clicking the word "Tools" or "Preferences" in the above results would
> send you to the hierarchy view above.)


...because I reckon the purpose of the HUD is also removing/hiding
hierarchical structures, this seems to be conflicting.


Thanks for sharing your thoughts, chr
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