[Ayatana] complaints

2012-01-31 Thread Pedro Bessa
Firefox goes the add-on way while Ubuntu goes the built-in way.

Firefox:
- you show Mozilla an add-on
- Mozilla can install it
- users can uninstall it
- if Mozilla decides the add-on is good, the add-ons appears in AMO

Ubuntu:
- you show Canonical a socially-demanding writing of a new feature
- Canonical can't even compile it
- the feature will be forced to all
- if Canonical decides the new feature is good, you write code
- you show Canonical a intelligently-demanding writing of new code
- Canonical can slowly compile it
- the feature will be forced to all
- if Canonical decides the new code is good, Ubuntu has a new feature

Please, go the add-on way.


Mozilla lets programmers change anything in the Firefox interface while
Canonical doesn't let programmers change anything in the Ubuntu interface.

Firefox:

I go to addons.mozilla.org, see thousands of addons listed, so I can
install, disable, enable and uninstall any of them.

Ubuntu:

I go to Ubuntu Software Center, click the Unity category, see many apps
listed, so I can install and uninstall any of them.

One of these apps makes the launcher be horizontal like Windows.
Another locks a page from Firefox to Launcher with a zoomed favicon as
icon and title as tooltip.
Another limits the global menu to maximized windows.
Another toggles a horizontal menu bar appear with and under  -
 .
Another sizes the icons in Desktop Area and the apps in Launcher the same.
Another shows icons and labels in Desktop Area like a compact list in
Nautilus.
Another always shows the Launcher like Windows.
Another shows Unity windows like rectangles.

Please, go the interface change way.

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Re: [Ayatana] complaints

2012-01-31 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 31 January 2012 10:32, Pedro Bessa  wrote:
> Firefox goes the add-on way while Ubuntu goes the built-in way.

How about the Google Chrome / Chromium way? Chrome has pretty close to
the same market share as Firefox now so they must be doing something
right.

Jeremy

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Re: [Ayatana] Unity sidebar improvement.

2012-01-31 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
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joy chalissery wrote on 25/01/12 19:21:
> 
> Unity now has only a sidebar to the left and a bar above.


Unity does not have a sidebar.

> I ask why not provide with with bars on all sides with a self
> hiding feature it would be great.


What for?

> you could also provide page zoom slider on the side so that u dont 
> need to use keyboard shortcuts.


A mockup would help here.

> Also with a bunch of customising features which would help 
> browsing,video and audio a better experience. It could replace the
> audio features currently being in the tab that you get after
> clicking the volume adjustment button. This could also eliminate
> the immediate need of docking apps.While you can use separate apps
> to make a more fancied desktop if you want.
> 
> ...


Can you be more specific?

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Re: [Ayatana] complaints

2012-01-31 Thread Mark Curtis

Chrome / Chromium also support add-ons, so I don't understand your point.

> From: jbi...@ubuntu.com
> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:41:02 -0500
> CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Ayatana] complaints
> 
> On 31 January 2012 10:32, Pedro Bessa  wrote:
> > Firefox goes the add-on way while Ubuntu goes the built-in way.
> 
> How about the Google Chrome / Chromium way? Chrome has pretty close to
> the same market share as Firefox now so they must be doing something
> right.
> 
> Jeremy
> 
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Re: [Ayatana] complaints

2012-01-31 Thread Christian Rupp
Ubuntu supports add-ons and also more options will be implemented in 
Precise.


Just currently everybody is waiting for developers who write some 
addons. Case Example: 
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/install-ubuntu-unity-bottom-launcher.html


Also there are lenses and scopes ;)

Am 31.01.2012 16:32, schrieb Pedro Bessa:

Ubuntu:
- you show Canonical a socially-demanding writing of a new feature
- Canonical can't even compile it
- the feature will be forced to all
- if Canonical decides the new feature is good, you write code
- you show Canonical a intelligently-demanding writing of new code
- Canonical can slowly compile it
- the feature will be forced to all
- if Canonical decides the new code is good, Ubuntu has a new feature

Please, go the add-on way.


Ubuntu:

I go to Ubuntu Software Center, click the Unity category, see many apps
listed, so I can install and uninstall any of them.

One of these apps makes the launcher be horizontal like Windows.
Another locks a page from Firefox to Launcher with a zoomed favicon as
icon and title as tooltip.
Another limits the global menu to maximized windows.
Another toggles a horizontal menu bar appear with and under  -
  .
Another sizes the icons in Desktop Area and the apps in Launcher the same.
Another shows icons and labels in Desktop Area like a compact list in
Nautilus.
Another always shows the Launcher like Windows.
Another shows Unity windows like rectangles.

Please, go the interface change way.

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Re: [Ayatana] complaints

2012-01-31 Thread Marco Biscaro

Em 31-01-2012 16:09, Christian Rupp escreveu:


Just currently everybody is waiting for developers who write some 
addons. Case Example: 
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/install-ubuntu-unity-bottom-launcher.html

This is not an addon. It's a fork.
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Re: [Ayatana] Unity sidebar improvement.

2012-01-31 Thread Georgi Karavasilev

On 31/01/12 14:00, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:

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joy chalissery wrote on 25/01/12 19:21:

Unity now has only a sidebar to the left and a bar above.


Unity does not have a sidebar.

I think Joy used the term "sidebar" for the launcher.



I ask why not provide with with bars on all sides with a self
hiding feature it would be great.


What for?
Hmm, why would anyone want to hide the unity-panel and use the ability 
to always look at the indicators (what time is it, do I have email etc...)?

And how would multiple panels / launchers be helpful?
I can't see a point of multiple panels, multiple launchers is much more 
interesting, but having a lot of launchers can create clutters and will 
increase the mouse movement.


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Re: [Ayatana] complaints

2012-01-31 Thread Christian Rupp

Am 31.01.2012 19:56, schrieb Marco Biscaro:

Em 31-01-2012 16:09, Christian Rupp escreveu:


Just currently everybody is waiting for developers who write some 
addons. Case Example: 
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/install-ubuntu-unity-bottom-launcher.html

This is not an addon. It's a fork.


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Yeah but it was written as an add-on in the first version
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Re: [Ayatana] complaints

2012-01-31 Thread Marco Biscaro

Em 31-01-2012 17:34, Christian Rupp escreveu:

Yeah but it was written as an add-on in the first version


No, it was a fork too. The difference is that it was distributed as a 
compiled .so file (which replaced the original libunityshell.so).


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