[Ayatana] unity launcher position
I am using unity 6 months. I am missing two things. 1. Why is launcher fixed on the left side? On wide screens there is "quite far" to reach it if you are on right side. Bottom is closer. But if there is no bottom place for it because of space, there is space on the right side. If I move mouse to the right there should be unity too, why not? I would like to have it on both sides. 2. Faster way to find a started application. Minimised applications are problem. We have alt-tab or i can find it on launcher. But if there is a lot of applications, it takes some time to find the proper window by alt tab. I am thinking of new special button on a launcher or short-cut key combination which would show "new launcher" with all active applications. It can be the same as alt-tab panel. But when it is not launched by alt- tab, I could choose application by mouse click on that panel. Simon ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] unity launcher position
On 11/09/2011 08:57 AM, Simon Čopi wrote: 1. Why is launcher fixed on the left side? On wide screens there is "quite far" to reach it if you are on right side. Bottom is closer. But if there is no bottom place for it because of space, there is space on the right side. If I move mouse to the right there should be unity too, why not? I would like to have it on both sides. With the Launcher on one side, and always the same at that, it is possible to adjust the layout of application windows, to avoid having important stuff close to that side, to reduce the risk of accidentally triggering the Launcher. Doing so for both sides would be too limiting. With the Launcher on one side, you never have to decide which side to take. Instead, you can form a habit easily. In general, offering more than one way to accomplish something, forces the user to decide, requiring attention / conscious thought to do so, which may interrupt the flow and causes delayed action. 2. Faster way to find a started application. Minimised applications are problem. We have alt-tab or i can find it on launcher. But if there is a lot of applications, it takes some time to find the proper window by alt tab. I am thinking of new special button on a launcher or short-cut key combination which would show "new launcher" with all active applications. It can be the same as alt-tab panel. But when it is not launched by alt- tab, I could choose application by mouse click on that panel. While it works on the window, not the application level, Super-W might serve your needs (Super also known as Windows key). -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] unity launcher position
/"With the Launcher on one side, and always the same at that, it is possible to.."/ There is a philosophy of approach involved here. I agree with Thorsten's points for the _default_ setup, but enforcing the default for all users without scope for customisation reduces usability for people who use their computers for serious work and custom workflows. On 09/11/11 08:31, Thorsten Wilms wrote: On 11/09/2011 08:57 AM, Simon Čopi wrote: 1. Why is launcher fixed on the left side? On wide screens there is "quite far" to reach it if you are on right side. Bottom is closer. But if there is no bottom place for it because of space, there is space on the right side. If I move mouse to the right there should be unity too, why not? I would like to have it on both sides. With the Launcher on one side, and always the same at that, it is possible to adjust the layout of application windows, to avoid having important stuff close to that side, to reduce the risk of accidentally triggering the Launcher. Doing so for both sides would be too limiting. With the Launcher on one side, you never have to decide which side to take. Instead, you can form a habit easily. In general, offering more than one way to accomplish something, forces the user to decide, requiring attention / conscious thought to do so, which may interrupt the flow and causes delayed action. 2. Faster way to find a started application. Minimised applications are problem. We have alt-tab or i can find it on launcher. But if there is a lot of applications, it takes some time to find the proper window by alt tab. I am thinking of new special button on a launcher or short-cut key combination which would show "new launcher" with all active applications. It can be the same as alt-tab panel. But when it is not launched by alt- tab, I could choose application by mouse click on that panel. While it works on the window, not the application level, Super-W might serve your needs (Super also known as Windows key). ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] unity launcher position
Jonker wrote: "... enforcing the default for all users without scope for customisation reduces usability " Yes, that's it. Left , right , both customisation. I would choose both, if I could. It took me some time to adapt and use Unity. But I am still missing something. I am trying to figure out what. This is maybe one - to reach launchpad faster. Wide screen is wide. It's only idea ... On 9.11.2011 10:51, Michael Jonker wrote: /"With the Launcher on one side, and always the same at that, it is possible to.."/ There is a philosophy of approach involved here. I agree with Thorsten's points for the _default_ setup, but enforcing the default for all users without scope for customisation reduces usability for people who use their computers for serious work and custom workflows. On 09/11/11 08:31, Thorsten Wilms wrote: On 11/09/2011 08:57 AM, Simon Čopi wrote: 1. Why is launcher fixed on the left side? On wide screens there is "quite far" to reach it if you are on right side. Bottom is closer. But if there is no bottom place for it because of space, there is space on the right side. If I move mouse to the right there should be unity too, why not? I would like to have it on both sides. With the Launcher on one side, and always the same at that, it is possible to adjust the layout of application windows, to avoid having important stuff close to that side, to reduce the risk of accidentally triggering the Launcher. Doing so for both sides would be too limiting. With the Launcher on one side, you never have to decide which side to take. Instead, you can form a habit easily. In general, offering more than one way to accomplish something, forces the user to decide, requiring attention / conscious thought to do so, which may interrupt the flow and causes delayed action. 2. Faster way to find a started application. Minimised applications are problem. We have alt-tab or i can find it on launcher. But if there is a lot of applications, it takes some time to find the proper window by alt tab. I am thinking of new special button on a launcher or short-cut key combination which would show "new launcher" with all active applications. It can be the same as alt-tab panel. But when it is not launched by alt- tab, I could choose application by mouse click on that panel. While it works on the window, not the application level, Super-W might serve your needs (Super also known as Windows key). ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] unity launcher position
There have been lots of people asking just to be able to MOVE The launcher (to right or bottom). But I Really don't think you'll ever see it available where it is BOTH left AND right. That introduces way too many problems. To put it this way, anything that appears on the right now (notifyOSD, maybe scrollbars for fullscreen applications) could be moved to the left if the launcher were on the right. If it were set to have the launcher on both sides then there wouldn't be any place to put all the other UI elements of Unity/running programs. Michael Jonker, "without scope for customisation reduces usability for people who use their computers for serious work..." Whiile I am a fan of the idea of configuration, I really don't like that you're implying that serious work can't be done with Unity as it is now. Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:19:11 +0100 From: vidulis...@gmail.com To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana] unity launcher position Jonker wrote: "... enforcing the default for all users without scope for customisation reduces usability " Yes, that's it. Left , right , both customisation. I would choose both, if I could. It took me some time to adapt and use Unity. But I am still missing something. I am trying to figure out what. This is maybe one - to reach launchpad faster. Wide screen is wide. It's only idea ... On 9.11.2011 10:51, Michael Jonker wrote: "With the Launcher on one side, and always the same at that, it is possible to.." There is a philosophy of approach involved here. I agree with Thorsten's points for the default setup, but enforcing the default for all users without scope for customisation reduces usability for people who use their computers for serious work and custom workflows. On 09/11/11 08:31, Thorsten Wilms wrote: On 11/09/2011 08:57 AM, Simon Čopi wrote: 1. Why is launcher fixed on the left side? On wide screens there is "quite far" to reach it if you are on right side. Bottom is closer. But if there is no bottom place for it because of space, there is space on the right side. If I move mouse to the right there should be unity too, why not? I would like to have it on both sides. With the Launcher on one side, and always the same at that, it is possible to adjust the layout of application windows, to avoid having important stuff close to that side, to reduce the risk of accidentally triggering the Launcher. Doing so for both sides would be too limiting. With the Launcher on one side, you never have to decide which side to take. Instead, you can form a habit easily. In general, offering more than one way to accomplish something, forces the user to decide, requiring attention / conscious thought to do so, which may interrupt the flow and causes delayed action. 2. Faster way to find a started application. Minimised applications are problem. We have alt-tab or i can find it on launcher. But if there is a lot of applications, it takes some time to find the proper window by alt tab. I am thinking of new special button on a launcher or short-cut key combination which would show "new launcher" with all active applications. It can be the same as alt-tab panel. But when it is not launched by alt- tab, I could choose application by mouse click on that panel. While it works on the window, not the application level, Super-W might serve your needs (Super also known as Windows key). ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] unity launcher position
there is an unofficial way to move it at the bottom: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/how-to-move-unity-launcher-to-bottom-of.html > Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:57:07 +0100 > From: vidulis...@gmail.com > To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Subject: [Ayatana] unity launcher position > > I am using unity 6 months. I am missing two things. > > 1. Why is launcher fixed on the left side? On wide screens there is > "quite far" to reach it if you are on right side. Bottom is closer. But > if there is no bottom place for it because of space, there is space on > the right side. If I move mouse to the right there should be unity too, > why not? I would like to have it on both sides. > > 2. Faster way to find a started application. Minimised applications are > problem. We have alt-tab or i can find it on launcher. But if there is a > lot of applications, it takes some time to find the proper window by alt > tab. I am thinking of new special button on a launcher or short-cut key > combination which would show "new launcher" with all active > applications. It can be the same as alt-tab panel. But when it is not > launched by alt- tab, I could choose application by mouse click on that > panel. > > Simon > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Serious issues
Regarding the Launcher getting out of the way: I have resorted to completely turning off edge-reveal, which means I can't access the Launcher with mouse alone. I changed the F1 key to show the Launcher when pressed (default is Ctrl+F1 if memory serves me). So if I want to use the Launcher I HAVE to either press F1 or Super in order to reveal it. I just got sick of the Launcher always revealing when I didn't want it to. I found that I often (unconsciously) place my cursor along the left edge of the screen to get it out of the way when reading stuff on the screen. > From: gespert...@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:54:09 -0300 > To: isan...@gmail.com > CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Serious issues > > Last week I conducted a workshop on libre graphics tools in an > important meeting here in Argentina. The attendees were people who > don't use graphics programs regularly (and most of them don't use > gnu/linux at all). > We had Ubuntu 11.10 with Unity in the classroom's computers. > Unity proved to be a negative experience for most of them. The ugliest > experience was for people with 17" CRT monitors (some computers had > them), where the global menu wasn't wide enough to display the menus. > Launcher popping up everytime they wanted to use the main toolbox > (GIMP and Inkscape) was another important issue. > They also experienced problems with focus of applications. Sometimes > GIMP lost focus and using the menu or switching apps with launcher > required to make an extra click on GIMP's window. > > They were regular people using applications that are available in > Ubuntu's software centre. They weren't a "minority" who needs to be > productive with graphic design (as I do). > Every single person trying to adjust a birthday photo with GIMP or > trying to create a christmas card for their relatives with Inkscape > will bump with these issues. > What's the next excuse? That GIMP and Inkscape are "broken" for Unity > and their developers should work something that wasn't an issue until > Unity? > > Sorry if this seems like I'm trolling, but It's pretty frustrating to > get always the same reply when somebody points out a real issue: > "unity works for the majority. If you can't use it, then you're part > of a minority that should use anything else". > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Serious issues
I think dash should open in a separate dedicated window. I don't see the reason, when dash is called, why the top panel and the left launcher have to have the visual effect as it has now. I absolutely agree with your email. Launcher keep getting in the way even when it is not needed. To develop any consistent system one need to have, non contradicting, independent set of foundations. What I mean here, that first think canonical need to do is to make the foundations clear that it wants to built the unity on. If unity has to have launcher on the left then there should be well thought reasons for it. Because foundations has to be laid down very carefully as they are not often changeable. So, If there are enough reason to set that the launcher has to be on left a founding brick, we can proceed to think about a way to avoid it revelation unnecessarily. If we need to make Ubuntu popular, we need to pay attention to every tiny detail. Compromising and coming up crazy solutions of the problems is not going to help. We need to cross check our set foundations again and again. A consistent set of foundations is necessary for having a consistent system. For example, for mathematics to stand up as such a consistent system required a axiomatic set up as its foundations. I tried to think of ways to get rid of the problems that we face in unity but it becomes difficult for me as It is not clear to me, what the foundations are. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 15:55, nick rundy wrote: > Regarding the Launcher getting out of the way: > > I have resorted to completely turning off edge-reveal, which means I can't > access the Launcher with mouse alone. > > I changed the F1 key to show the Launcher when pressed (default is Ctrl+F1 > if memory serves me). So if I want to use the Launcher I HAVE to either > press F1 or Super in order to reveal it. I just got sick of the Launcher > always revealing when I didn't want it to. I found that I often > (unconsciously) place my cursor along the left edge of the screen to get it > out of the way when reading stuff on the screen. > > > > -- > > From: gespert...@gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:54:09 -0300 > > To: isan...@gmail.com > > CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Serious issues > > > > Last week I conducted a workshop on libre graphics tools in an > > important meeting here in Argentina. The attendees were people who > > don't use graphics programs regularly (and most of them don't use > > gnu/linux at all). > > We had Ubuntu 11.10 with Unity in the classroom's computers. > > Unity proved to be a negative experience for most of them. The ugliest > > experience was for people with 17" CRT monitors (some computers had > > them), where the global menu wasn't wide enough to display the menus. > > Launcher popping up everytime they wanted to use the main toolbox > > (GIMP and Inkscape) was another important issue. > > They also experienced problems with focus of applications. Sometimes > > GIMP lost focus and using the menu or switching apps with launcher > > required to make an extra click on GIMP's window. > > > > They were regular people using applications that are available in > > Ubuntu's software centre. They weren't a "minority" who needs to be > > productive with graphic design (as I do). > > Every single person trying to adjust a birthday photo with GIMP or > > trying to create a christmas card for their relatives with Inkscape > > will bump with these issues. > > What's the next excuse? That GIMP and Inkscape are "broken" for Unity > > and their developers should work something that wasn't an issue until > > Unity? > > > > Sorry if this seems like I'm trolling, but It's pretty frustrating to > > get always the same reply when somebody points out a real issue: > > "unity works for the majority. If you can't use it, then you're part > > of a minority that should use anything else". > > > > ___ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > > Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > ___ Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : > ayatana@lists.launchpad.netUnsubscribe : > https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : > https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > -- सुनील राणा "Unselfishness is more paying only people have not the patience to practice it." " 'I love you' is a wrong sentence as where, there exist 'I' and 'you' love can not. Love is an attribute of the absolute." ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to
Re: [Ayatana] What should Unity look like on Smartphones and Tablets?
errrm.. another laudation to the designer.. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 22:37, Ian Santopietro wrote: > At UDS-P, Mark announced his plans to have Ubuntu on Tablets, phones, > and TVs by 14.04 LTS. You can start too early! > > when Unity's predecessor, the UNR interface, first appeared, it soon became clear that the ease of use offered by large fingertip friendly UI elements was not only something for Netbooks, but was also an enhancement to a typical DE. Now we're looking at designs for even smaller screens, and again the optimizations and the semantic focus create a more coherent stream of simultaneous information affording itself to the user, which is much closer to the human perceptual physiology - Ayatana, the reason i'm so interested in this ML. In other words, designing UIs for small screens forces the designer to remove all the clutter and leave only the essential appliance itself, naked, beautiful. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Unity Lens Mockup.
I don't like how the lens are looking for 11.10 in unity so I made come > mock ups. > > I think all the mockups give the impression that selection of the lens directly affects the search bar, while not making it apparent that the whole lens area is affected. Overall though I think I like the second one the best, the other two will suffer as more lenses are added but do utilise the screen better. I don't mind the control at the top, which to me would make more sense as you have just selected the lens launcher and thus the lens selection is on the same level, kinda consistent with applications that have window controls or application controls along the top. In my mind, the lens selection should be near the top, not at the bottom (though maybe for a touch screen it's irrelevant as you would swipe between lenses I presume). Do you mind if I ask how you did the mockups? Do you just use The Gimp? Cheers, James. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Unity Lens Mockup.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:32 AM, James Jenner wrote:
>
>
> I don't like how the lens are looking for 11.10 in unity so I made come
>> mock ups.
>>
>>
> I think all the mockups give the impression that selection of the lens
> directly affects the search bar, while not making it apparent that the
> whole lens area is affected. Overall though I think I like the second one
> the best, the other two will suffer as more lenses are added but do utilise
> the screen better.
>
> I don't mind the control at the top, which to me would make more sense as
> you have just selected the lens launcher and thus the lens selection is on
> the same level, kinda consistent with applications that have window
> controls or application controls along the top. In my mind, the lens
> selection should be near the top, not at the bottom (though maybe for a
> touch screen it's irrelevant as you would swipe between lenses I presume).
>
> Do you mind if I ask how you did the mockups? Do you just use The Gimp?
>
> Cheers,
> James.
>
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I like them on the top too!
I suggested this a while back (
https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg06884.html) and got a slightly warm
response.I went ahead and made a patch to unity that puts the bar on
top.(see mockup) I mailed the diff to the ayatana-dev mailling list but
have got no response till now. I've attached a screen shot and the diff.
<>=== modified file 'plugins/unityshell/src/DashView.cpp'
--- plugins/unityshell/src/DashView.cpp 2011-10-25 16:32:49 +
+++ plugins/unityshell/src/DashView.cpp 2011-11-07 12:40:23 +
@@ -119,6 +119,10 @@
search_bar_->search_changed.connect(sigc::mem_fun(this, &DashView::OnSearchChanged));
search_bar_->live_search_reached.connect(sigc::mem_fun(this, &DashView::OnLiveSearchReached));
search_bar_->showing_filters.changed.connect([&] (bool showing) { if (active_lens_view_) active_lens_view_->filters_expanded = showing; QueueDraw(); });
+
+ lens_bar_ = new LensBar();
+ lens_bar_->lens_activated.connect(sigc::mem_fun(this, &DashView::OnLensBarActivated));
+ content_layout_->AddView(lens_bar_, 0, nux::MINOR_POSITION_CENTER);
content_layout_->AddView(search_bar_, 0, nux::MINOR_POSITION_LEFT);
lenses_layout_ = new nux::VLayout();
@@ -128,10 +132,6 @@
active_lens_view_ = home_view_;
lens_views_["home.lens"] = home_view_;
lenses_layout_->AddView(home_view_);
-
- lens_bar_ = new LensBar();
- lens_bar_->lens_activated.connect(sigc::mem_fun(this, &DashView::OnLensBarActivated));
- content_layout_->AddView(lens_bar_, 0, nux::MINOR_POSITION_CENTER);
}
void DashView::SetupUBusConnections()
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