Re: [Ayatana] Music lens - Available for Purchase

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen]

On 10/13/2011 02:40 AM, Remco wrote:

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:20, a.gra...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi,

On 11 October 2011 00:58, Thibaut Brandscheid  wrote:

Houston, we have a problem

I think there should be a section called "Privacy" in the Control
Panel where the user can disable globally the possibility to send data
trough Internet.
Each lens/application should strictly check this setting before
sending any data outside the user's PC.

My 2 cents.

This is also a feature beyond privacy. People with expensive data
plans may want their Ubuntu to be offline until explicitly told
otherwise.



I assume people with expensive data plans will turn it off in the 
network indicator when they're not using it? *Lots* of services may 
touch the network during idle or low activity, not just the music lens.


If the musicstore scope still tries to issue searches when there is no 
connection then that's a bug that should be filed.


Cheers,
Mikkel


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Re: [Ayatana] Session management in the dash

[Stefanos A.]

2011/10/13 anthropornis 

>  Incidentally, I just upgraded to Oneiric today (and I do mean upgrade, not
> a fresh install), and perhaps I am doing something wrong, but I do *not*see a 
> "restart" option in the power cog menu (nor do I see gnome-terminal in
> my Dash, but that's a different story). Furthermore, Ctrl+Alt+Del now seems
> limited to logging me out, rather than giving me additional options.  I
> finally had to try typing "restart" in the Dash, which was not intuitive. I
> was trying "reboot now" in the Alt+F2 dialog before that (and that failed,
> which sent me looking for gnome-terminal, to no avail).
>
>
The reboot option has been merged into the "shutdown" menu. Select shutdown
from the powercog and click the reboot button there.
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[Ayatana] What's up with all the non-resizable windows?

[Stefanos A.]

I just installed 11.10, just to be assaulted by ugly non-resizable windows.
Why, oh why?

Off-hand, I recall the official installer, which cannot be resized when the
"show details" area does not fit inside the window. This happens in the
"downloading packages" and " installing packages" parts of the installation
- since you can't resize the window, you cannot see what actions are being
taken by the installer.

The new "System Settings" control panel also fits the bill. This is
*especially* aggravating, since the window is a tad too big for a 1366x768
or 1280x800 screen (that's what most laptops use). Today, I had an issue
with a misconfigured keyboard shortcut, so I opened an internet article that
described the fix. In such occasions, I arrange the browser window and the
configuration window side-by-side, so I can refer to the article while
fixing the issue. Or that's what I used to do, since the new settings window
*cannot be resized* to fit side-by-side on my monitor. It's always there,
taking up lots of space, *covering* the article with the instructions I
need.

What is this new fad? Microsoft abandoned modal/non-resizable windows after
WinXP. Apple just added more resize borders in their latest OS. Are we
really going for some retro 90's UI style with absolute coordinates and
fixed element placement? Is there any design rationale behind these things,
or is this just a programmer cockup (hey, flowing styles in GTK are hard, so
let me go out of my way to make everything FIXED).

Yes, I'm THAT frustrated by this change!
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Re: [Ayatana] Session management in the dash

[Ian Santopietro]

Try searching for only "Terminal". The Dash is more about the 
application name, not the command. For the command "gnome-terminal", use 
Alt+F2


On 10/12/2011 07:51 PM, anthropornis wrote:
Just a gentle reminder, saving space in the menu bar is not an issue 
for those of us with bigger screens. The more indicators, the better, 
for my use case. So hopefully removal of them will be optional per user.



On 10/12/2011 08:41 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:

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Carl Ansell wrote on 10/10/11 17:12:

A recent update placed logout, shut down and restart controls into
the dash.

I think it would be useful to have these located in the bottom
right corner of the dash rather than in the lens results, as this
would make them accessible when using any lens.

...


I like that idea. That would save those commands from being jumbled up
with other search results -- you wouldn't need to search for them at 
all.


It would mean we wouldn't need the device menu any more, which would
save space in the menu bar.

Least importantly, it would be more consistent with other OSes, and
therefore easier for people migrating.

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Re: [Ayatana] Unity panel

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

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Michal Strba wrote on 12/10/11 19:38:
> ...
> 
> This suggestion is only about design nothing more. I think that
> unity panel in ubuntu looks bit boring. It looks (of course it
> isn't functionally identical) as panel in 10.04+. I think that it
> should match with launcher (transparency and style). Of course with
> this will be a design problem with maximized apps because window
> title merges with panel. When an app is maximized it should be same
> as now it.
> 
> What do you think about it?
> 
> ...


That would make menus very difficult to read.

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Re: [Ayatana] What's up with all the non-resizable windows?

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

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Stefanos A. wrote on 13/10/11 15:09:
> 
> I just installed 11.10, just to be assaulted by ugly non-resizable 
> windows. Why, oh why?
> 
> Off-hand, I recall the official installer, which cannot be resized 
> when the "show details" area does not fit inside the window. This 
> happens in the "downloading packages" and " installing packages"
> parts of the installation - since you can't resize the window, you
> cannot see what actions are being taken by the installer.


This seems to be , which was
reported in 2007, so it's not specific to 11.10.

> The new "System Settings" control panel also fits the bill. This
> is *especially* aggravating, since the window is a tad too big for
> a 1366x768 or 1280x800 screen (that's what most laptops use).
> Today, I had an issue with a misconfigured keyboard shortcut, so I
> opened an internet article that described the fix. In such
> occasions, I arrange the browser window and the configuration
> window side-by-side, so I can refer to the article while fixing the
> issue. Or that's what I used to do, since the new settings window
> *cannot be resized* to fit side-by-side on my monitor. It's always
> there, taking up lots of space, *covering* the article with the
> instructions I need.


Like most dialogs, many of the System Settings panels are designed
with a particular size in mind. For the window to be manually
resizable would be inappropriate.

If the window is too large for an important proportion of screens,
that's a bug that should be fixed, not an excuse for making the window
resizable.

> What is this new fad? Microsoft abandoned modal/non-resizable
> windows after WinXP.


That isn't true.

> Apple just added more resize borders in their latest OS.


That made it easier to resize windows that are already resizable. It
has nothing to do with which windows are resizable in the first place.

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Re: [Ayatana] What's up with all the non-resizable windows?

[Jeremy Nickurak]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:41, Matthew Paul Thomas  wrote:
> If the window is too large for an important proportion of screens,
> that's a bug that should be fixed, not an excuse for making the window
> resizable.

Isn't unpredictability of screen size a GREAT reason to just make sure
all the windows can be resized, so they at least just work everywhere,
even if they require a bit more scrolling?

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Re: [Ayatana] What's up with all the non-resizable windows?

[Stefanos A.]

2011/10/13 Matthew Paul Thomas 

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>
> Stefanos A. wrote on 13/10/11 15:09:
> >
> > I just installed 11.10, just to be assaulted by ugly non-resizable
> > windows. Why, oh why?
> >
> > Off-hand, I recall the official installer, which cannot be resized
> > when the "show details" area does not fit inside the window. This
> > happens in the "downloading packages" and " installing packages"
> > parts of the installation - since you can't resize the window, you
> > cannot see what actions are being taken by the installer.
>
>
> This seems to be , which was
> reported in 2007, so it's not specific to 11.10.
>
> In previous versions of the installer I could read messages just fine. In
11.10 I can't, on all three different systems I tested, because there is no
space for these messages to appear. This is on the English version, so it's
not the bug in your link.


> > The new "System Settings" control panel also fits the bill. This
> > is *especially* aggravating, since the window is a tad too big for
> > a 1366x768 or 1280x800 screen (that's what most laptops use).
> > Today, I had an issue with a misconfigured keyboard shortcut, so I
> > opened an internet article that described the fix. In such
> > occasions, I arrange the browser window and the configuration
> > window side-by-side, so I can refer to the article while fixing the
> > issue. Or that's what I used to do, since the new settings window
> > *cannot be resized* to fit side-by-side on my monitor. It's always
> > there, taking up lots of space, *covering* the article with the
> > instructions I need.
>
>
> Like most dialogs, many of the System Settings panels are designed
> with a particular size in mind. For the window to be manually
> resizable would be inappropriate.
>

Why? Why are they designed for a specific size, when that's against the
Gnome HIG? What if I use a larger font or a different screen size?


> If the window is too large for an important proportion of screens,
> that's a bug that should be fixed, not an excuse for making the window
> resizable.
>

These "dialogs" were proper resizable windows in 11.04, so this is a
regression not an excuse.

Besides, what is the common thread between a proper "ok, cancel" dialog and
something like the "mouse settings" panel or the ubuntu installer? That's a
rhetorical question, these things have absolutely *nothing* in common.

If you have a more convincing argument than "inappropriate" I would love to
hear it.


>
> > What is this new fad? Microsoft abandoned modal/non-resizable
> > windows after WinXP.
>
>
> That isn't true.
>

But it is.

"A *top-level* window has no owner window and is displayed on the taskbar.
Examples: application windows. In Windows Vista and later, dialog boxes
without owner windows and property sheets are also considered top-level."

>From MSDN (
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa511262.aspx)

(And parented dialogs are not recommended for new applications.)


>
> > Apple just added more resize borders in their latest OS.
>
>
> That made it easier to resize windows that are already resizable. It
> has nothing to do with which windows are resizable in the first place.
>
>
So why was ubuntu installer made non-resizable in the first place?
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Re: [Ayatana] What's up with all the non-resizable windows?

[Ian Santopietro]

On Thu 13 Oct 2011 03:22:12 PM MDT, Stefanos A. wrote:


2011/10/13 Matthew Paul Thomas >


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Stefanos A. wrote on 13/10/11 15:09:
>
> I just installed 11.10, just to be assaulted by ugly non-resizable
> windows. Why, oh why?
>
> Off-hand, I recall the official installer, which cannot be resized
> when the "show details" area does not fit inside the window. This
> happens in the "downloading packages" and " installing packages"
> parts of the installation - since you can't resize the window, you
> cannot see what actions are being taken by the installer.


This seems to be , which was
reported in 2007, so it's not specific to 11.10.

In previous versions of the installer I could read messages just fine. 
In 11.10 I can't, on all three different systems I tested, because 
there is no space for these messages to appear. This is on the English 
version, so it's not the bug in your link.


> The new "System Settings" control panel also fits the bill. This
> is *especially* aggravating, since the window is a tad too big for
> a 1366x768 or 1280x800 screen (that's what most laptops use).
> Today, I had an issue with a misconfigured keyboard shortcut, so I
> opened an internet article that described the fix. In such
> occasions, I arrange the browser window and the configuration
> window side-by-side, so I can refer to the article while fixing the
> issue. Or that's what I used to do, since the new settings window
> *cannot be resized* to fit side-by-side on my monitor. It's always
> there, taking up lots of space, *covering* the article with the
> instructions I need.


Like most dialogs, many of the System Settings panels are designed
with a particular size in mind. For the window to be manually
resizable would be inappropriate.


Why? Why are they designed for a specific size, when that's against 
the Gnome HIG? What if I use a larger font or a different screen size?



If the window is too large for an important proportion of screens,
that's a bug that should be fixed, not an excuse for making the window
resizable.


These "dialogs" were proper resizable windows in 11.04, so this is a 
regression not an excuse.


Besides, what is the common thread between a proper "ok, cancel" 
dialog and something like the "mouse settings" panel or the ubuntu 
installer? That's a rhetorical question, these things have absolutely 
*nothing* in common.


If you have a more convincing argument than "inappropriate" I would 
love to hear it.



> What is this new fad? Microsoft abandoned modal/non-resizable
> windows after WinXP.


That isn't true.


But it is.

"A /top-level/ window has no owner window and is displayed on the 
taskbar. Examples: application windows. In Windows Vista and later, 
dialog boxes without owner windows and property sheets are also 
considered top-level."


From MSDN 
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa511262.aspx)


(And parented dialogs are not recommended for new applications.)


> Apple just added more resize borders in their latest OS.


That made it easier to resize windows that are already resizable. It
has nothing to do with which windows are resizable in the first place.


So why was ubuntu installer made non-resizable in the first place?


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But they still aren't resizeable. The Open/Save dialogs are a great 
example. And I've never seen a resizable installer window in Windows.


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[Ayatana] Online accounts: how useful are they really?

[Peterson Silva]

Guys, just loving Oneiric.

However, something popped up in my mind: how useful is the "online accounts"
feature? I know in Gnome 3 google account brings gcalendar events to the
calendar, sets up chat, brings contacts and e-mails (I don't think it
presently does anything to documents. It didn't, in my case).

However, when I used it at Ubuntu, it did... Nothing. It didn't
automatically set up chat for me. It didn't bring calendar events to the
calendar, it didn't do anything with the documents, and it didn't set up
thunderbird (I decided to use it as backup, and when I ran it for the first
time, still had to set up gmail on my own).

Just thinking, cause... It might be a little misleading for the user to wait
for it to actually do something, when it just sits there being pretty. I
don't know.
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[Ayatana] Dash caching? multiple file managers?

[anthropornis]

I soft-upgraded to Oneiric yesterday, and today I've noticed a couple of 
oddities. I wondered if these are intended or unintended.


Yesterday I had multiple items on my desktop, today only one. But when I 
open the Dash, the "wash" background still looks like I have multiple 
files on the desktop in the background. Is the Dash caching a screenshot 
of the desktop?


Secondly, when I search for "home" in the Dash and click "Home folder" 
it opens Nautilus. However, when I click the Trash icon on the dock, it 
opens PCManFM. I've never installed LXDE. Is the Trash icon hard-coded 
to use PCManFM?


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Re: [Ayatana] Dash caching? multiple file managers?

[Peterson Silva]

Wow, you're having a tough bug there. No solutions or hints, but I'm quite
positive trashcan can't be hardcoded to use PCManFM, that wouldn't make any
sense; I don't even have it installed, trash runs on nautilus just fine from
the launcher...

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On 13 October 2011 22:25, anthropornis  wrote:

> I soft-upgraded to Oneiric yesterday, and today I've noticed a couple of
> oddities. I wondered if these are intended or unintended.
>
> Yesterday I had multiple items on my desktop, today only one. But when I
> open the Dash, the "wash" background still looks like I have multiple files
> on the desktop in the background. Is the Dash caching a screenshot of the
> desktop?
>
> Secondly, when I search for "home" in the Dash and click "Home folder" it
> opens Nautilus. However, when I click the Trash icon on the dock, it opens
> PCManFM. I've never installed LXDE. Is the Trash icon hard-coded to use
> PCManFM?
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Re: [Ayatana] Dash caching? multiple file managers?

[Alexander Lancey]

It sounds like PCManFM is the default file manager. The home folder
launcher manually runs Nautilus, but I'm pretty sure the trash runs
xdg-open trash:///

On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 21:25 -0400, anthropornis wrote:

> I soft-upgraded to Oneiric yesterday, and today I've noticed a couple of 
> oddities. I wondered if these are intended or unintended.
> 
> Yesterday I had multiple items on my desktop, today only one. But when I 
> open the Dash, the "wash" background still looks like I have multiple 
> files on the desktop in the background. Is the Dash caching a screenshot 
> of the desktop?
> 
> Secondly, when I search for "home" in the Dash and click "Home folder" 
> it opens Nautilus. However, when I click the Trash icon on the dock, it 
> opens PCManFM. I've never installed LXDE. Is the Trash icon hard-coded 
> to use PCManFM?
> 
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Re: [Ayatana] Dash caching? multiple file managers?

[anthropornis]

It's just weird, because I've never (wittingly) installed PCManFM. In 
the 6 months I used Natty, the only remotely similar thing I installed 
was OpenBox. After the 2 hour upgrade yesterday, the only remotely 
similar thing I installed was Gnome Shell.


I ran apt-cache rdepends pcmanfm and the handful of things returned are 
not things I have ever installed.



On 10/13/2011 10:59 PM, Alexander Lancey wrote:
It sounds like PCManFM is the default file manager. The home folder 
launcher manually runs Nautilus, but I'm pretty sure the trash runs 
xdg-open trash:///


On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 21:25 -0400, anthropornis wrote:

I soft-upgraded to Oneiric yesterday, and today I've noticed a couple of
oddities. I wondered if these are intended or unintended.

Yesterday I had multiple items on my desktop, today only one. But when I
open the Dash, the "wash" background still looks like I have multiple
files on the desktop in the background. Is the Dash caching a screenshot
of the desktop?

Secondly, when I search for "home" in the Dash and click "Home folder"
it opens Nautilus. However, when I click the Trash icon on the dock, it
opens PCManFM. I've never installed LXDE. Is the Trash icon hard-coded
to use PCManFM?
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