Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric Dark Toolbar

[Sony-qs]

 I'm new here, but that's a nice discussion! That's right, the dark 
Toolbar isn't space friendly. And I began to love the space I won with 
natty ;-) "nrundy" talked about a search box in the toolbar ... and yes 
they often need many space, so why don't put it in the right corner 
under the toolbar, if there's one! The box could be half transparent and 
hover onMouseOver! look@this 



Another question: I even miss fixing the Unity-Panel to accept 
keyCombinations for Alt+E (Edit) -> Alt-C (Configuration)! First step is 
working but then you can only choose with Up and Down! Work in progress?

Greetings from Germany

Am 22.07.2011 19:39, schrieb Carl Ansell:
I feel that the toolbars should only be used where it makes sense. In 
the earlier example, it did not make sense to have a thick toolbar for 
just a search box.



Having them blend in with the top panel could be seen as a good thing 
when the window is active. Both the toolbar and the menu would be 
together, and it is worth remembering that the global-menu means that 
the panel is integrated with the running application.




When the application becomes inactive, the toolbar could slide upwards 
and out of view, like the unity launcher slides to the left at 
present. After all, if the application is inactive, the toolbar is not 
going to be needed until it becomes active again, in which case the 
toolbar can re-appear.




From: nru...@hotmail.com
To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:08:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric Dark Toolbars waste vertical space - 
what was the point of Unity?


The newly implemented Dark Toolbars to Oneiric have left me wondering 
if the Developers have forgotten one of the driving principles for 
Unity--to reclaim vertical space?


Look at the following comparison between Natty as it is today and 
Oneiric with Dark Toolbars. In Oneiric, not only has writing been 
placed underneath the icons (taking vertical space) but there is now a 
huge/thick vertical-space-wasting "Dark Toolbar" with only one item on 
it: the search box. COME ON! I thought the whole point of Unity was to 
allow more space for the items in the window. Does everything that 
uses Gnome 3.0 have to present enormous amounts of chrome with no 
purpose other than to waste vertical space? One of the things I love 
about Natty is how much vertical space has been reclaimed. Now it's 
looking like all that is going to be gone in Oneiric.

http://imgur.com/a/w9pBQ


From: nru...@hotmail.com
To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:06:08 -0400
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric Dark Toolbars are a BAD idea - here's why

Dark Toolbars are a BAD idea. The Top-Panel should remain a 
significantly darker color than application toolbars.


Gnome-shell has the right idea where they made the top-panel black, 
communicating that the top-panel is NOT part of a running application. 
Google has started putting a black top-panel across its webpages, 
communicating that the top-panel is NOT part of the search results or 
web page's content. These dark top-panels provide an always-present, 
constant frame of reference that grounds the user and differentiates 
it from the project's focus (i.e., a web search, a web page's content, 
or a running application). This grounded focus is lost when Dark 
Toolbars are merged to the top-panel.


The Top-Panel is NOT part of a running application. Yet this is 
exactly what is communicated to the user when application toolbars are 
essentially merged to the Top-Panel. Keeping the top-panel separate 
from application toolbars is even more important now because of 
Unity's new space-saving design. To move an entire window for example, 
a user can click on the Titlebar. Yet dark toolbars would be the same 
color as the titlebar. To restore a maximized window, the user can 
double-click free space on the top-panel. Yet dark toolbars would 
present loads of free space the same color as the Top-Panel. There are 
all kinds of problems with choosing Dark Toolbars.


Aesthetically it is also a failure. It shrouds regularly used 
tools/buttons in darkness. The buttons and tools should be clearly 
visible and accessible by the user. Not hidden in a darkened state.


A better approach would be a gradation of darkening as one moves 
toward the top-panel. For example, the top-panel would be a dark color 
(like Ambiance). The Toolbar would be a middle color (like the present 
cream or maybe a gray), in this way bridging the gap, adding a 
gradation, from the lighted/white background where the work is done to 
the darker panel. The work area is lighted because that's where the 
user's focus is. The toolbar area is darker than the work area because 
it is an area of "peripheral" focus for the user as he/she works. 
Tools/b

Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric Unified Messaging Menu

[Carl Ansell]

I have read that the name will be added to the menu at a later date, but 
obviously as this is still an alpha there will be changes made before the full 
release.

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:38:29 +0200
From: sony...@live.de
To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: [Ayatana]  Oneiric Unified Messaging Menu



  




  
  
I read about the Unified Messaging Menu in Oneiric on www.webupd8.org
and saw there is no unsername any more! My Ubuntu is a single User
OS but the psychological aspect of reading his own name or nickname
is undisputed! I think there should be at least the option to show!
And furthermore ubuntu is a holy good multiuser-system, that's why I
think it's important to know who's logged in!



Sry for the unprofessional screenshot editing!

  


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Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric Unified Messaging Menu

[Jeremy Bicha]

On 24 July 2011 09:27, Carl Ansell  wrote:
> I have read that the name will be added to the menu at a later date, but
> obviously as this is still an alpha there will be changes made before the
> full release.
>
> 
> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:38:29 +0200
> From: sony...@live.de
> To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: [Ayatana] Oneiric Unified Messaging Menu
>
> I read about the Unified Messaging Menu in Oneiric on www.webupd8.org and
> saw there is no unsername any more! My Ubuntu is a single User OS but the
> psychological aspect of reading his own name or nickname is undisputed! I
> think there should be at least the option to show! And furthermore ubuntu is
> a holy good multiuser-system, that's why I think it's important to know
> who's logged in!

If you would be using Ubuntu Oneiric instead of worrying about it,
you'd see that the user menu is still there. indicator-me is gone but
next to the session menu is a menu headlined by the current logged in
nickname. You can click this menu to switch to a new user or configure
the new Online Accounts feature. Several of the menus including this
one are not yet final designs.

Jeremy Bicha

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