Re: AC_INIT translates PACKAGE to lower case

2002-02-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius

Am Sam, 2002-02-02 um 08.34 schrieb Tom Tromey:
> > "Tom" == Tom Tromey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Tom> Automake used PACKAGE with a specific meaning for years.  It is
> Tom> unfortunate that Autoconf has chosen to use the same name with a
> Tom> different meaning.  But I don't wish to belabor this point.
> 
> Of course, it would be idiotic for me to belabor this point, since it
> is factually incorrect.  Autoconf doesn't define PACKAGE at all.
Wow. 

Thanks for pointing this out - I had missed that fact and it's good to
know that others weren't aware about this, too.

You are right, it's automake's init.m4 which sets it from
AC_PACKAGE_TARNAME,
..
[_AM_SET_OPTIONS([$1])dnl
 AC_SUBST([PACKAGE], [AC_PACKAGE_TARNAME])dnl
 AC_SUBST([VERSION], [AC_PACKAGE_VERSION])])dnl
..
 
> Tom> If we elect not to do this then we must add a warning to the manual
> Tom> saying that the obvious change is incorrect.
> 
> I think I'll do this.  Plus I'll have the PACKAGE define use
> PACKAGE_TARNAME.
AFAIS, it already does so.

=> Autoconf's lowercasing of AC_PACKAGE_TARNAME from the first argument
of AC_INIT and having been documented as PACKAGE in autoconf's manual is
the actual origin of the problem and has broken backward compatibility
of automake's PACKAGE

However, there is another issue lurking:

The 3rd parameter of AC_INIT_AUTOMAKE (Suppress AC_DEFINE-ing of PACKAGE
and VERSION)

Ralf






AM_CONDITIONAL and config.status

2002-02-02 Thread Roger Leigh

I make heavy use of AM_CONDITIONAL in my Makefile.ams, mainly for
conditional compiliation of stuff.  This now works really well with
automake 1.5 (it required nasty hacks with 1.4).

My question is, although I use

if CONDITIONAL
FOO
else
BAR
endif

in Makefile.am, and this becomes

@CONDITIONAL_TRUE@FOO
@CONDITIONAL_FALSE@BAR

in Makefile.in, is it safe to use this format in my own .in files (e.g.
po/POTFILES.in), or will the format used for the conditionals in .in
files change at a future date?  What I need to do is have lines
conditionally included, as some are conditionally distributed.

@GIMP_SOURCE_FALSE@# CUPS sources
@GIMP_SOURCE_FALSE@src/cups/genppd.c

@GIMP_SOURCE_FALSE@# Foomatic-related sources
@GIMP_SOURCE_FALSE@src/foomatic/printer_options.c

or do they need a preceding _TRUE line to match each false one?

Also, would it be possible in the future to allow the following
expansion by automake?:

if COND
FOO
BAR
BAZ
else
BAD
endif

and output the following:

@COND_TRUE@FOO
@COND_TRUE@BAR
@COND_TRUE@BAZ
@COND_FALSE@BAD

which would enable multiple lines to be enclosed within conditionals,
and therefore whole rules can be made conditional (it is currently
possible to wrap just the target:deps line in a conditional, but this
breaks non-GNU makes, which panic on seeing commands in the middle of
nowhere).

Being able to use 'ifndef' would also be another nice addition, or has
this already been done (I possibly remember this being mentioned).

Regards,
Roger

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Re: AC_INIT translates PACKAGE to lower case

2002-02-02 Thread Tom Tromey

> "Ralf" == Ralf Corsepius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ralf> The 3rd parameter of AC_INIT_AUTOMAKE (Suppress AC_DEFINE-ing of
Ralf> PACKAGE and VERSION)

We already handle this.  The new way to use AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE is to
pass automake options to it.  One of the options is "no-define", which
acts like the old 3rd parameter to AC_INIT_AUTOMAKE.  It was a
mistake, all those years ago, not to require a specific word to be put
there.

Tom




Re: AM_CONDITIONAL and config.status

2002-02-02 Thread Tom Tromey

> "Roger" == Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Roger> in Makefile.in, is it safe to use this format in my own .in files (e.g.
Roger> po/POTFILES.in), or will the format used for the conditionals in .in
Roger> files change at a future date?  What I need to do is have lines
Roger> conditionally included, as some are conditionally distributed.

Conditionals don't work they way you seem to think they do.
The @FOO_TRUE@ is rewritten to either `' (empty string) or `#' (make
comment) by configure.  No line is omitted from the generated Makefile.

My recommendation is not to rely on the implementation of
conditionals.  It isn't something we have ever documented.  We might
actually change it at some point; for instance we might be able to get
better performance from config.status if we change how conditionals
are implemented.

Roger> if COND
Roger> FOO
Roger> BAR
Roger> BAZ
Roger> else
Roger> BAD
Roger> endif

I read this example but I don't understand how it differs from what we
already do.  Right now you can enclose all kinds of stuff in a single
conditional.  What you can't do is have a conditional that starts or
ends in the middle of a rule or macro definition.

Roger> Being able to use 'ifndef' would also be another nice addition,
Roger> or has this already been done (I possibly remember this being
Roger> mentioned).

You can use `if !FOO'.

Tom




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Re: what is this shell call trying to solve?

2002-02-02 Thread Tom Tromey

> "Akim" == Akim Demaille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Akim> Now if that causes real problems, not just esthetics, then of
Akim> course it ought to be fixed.

Sometimes these esthetic considerations are important -- to me
anyway.  Also, in this case there is a small performance penalty for
the existing code.  One problem I see in automake is that the features
we support add performance penalties to the resulting Makefile.  This
in turn can be used to argue against using automake.  So I prefer to
try to reduce these penalties when possible.

As an example, I'm still interested in changing depend2.am so that if
depmode=gcc3, then we avoid using depcomp.  This will make depend2 a
bit harder to maintain.  But it will add a nice optimization for
developers using free software.

Tom




Re: AM_CONDITIONAL and config.status

2002-02-02 Thread Roger Leigh

On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 11:07:15AM -0700, Tom Tromey wrote:
> > "Roger" == Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Roger> in Makefile.in, is it safe to use this format in my own .in files (e.g.
> Roger> po/POTFILES.in), or will the format used for the conditionals in .in
> Roger> files change at a future date?  What I need to do is have lines
> Roger> conditionally included, as some are conditionally distributed.
> 
> Conditionals don't work they way you seem to think they do.
> The @FOO_TRUE@ is rewritten to either `' (empty string) or `#' (make
> comment) by configure.  No line is omitted from the generated Makefile.
> 
> My recommendation is not to rely on the implementation of
> conditionals.  It isn't something we have ever documented.  We might
> actually change it at some point; for instance we might be able to get
> better performance from config.status if we change how conditionals
> are implemented.

OK.  Back to the drawing board ;-)

I did actually get this working:

@GIMP_SOURCE_FALSE@# CUPS sources
@GIMP_SOURCE_FALSE@src/cups/genppd.c
@GIMP_SOURCE_FALSE@# Foomatic-related sources
@GIMP_SOURCE_FALSE@src/foomatic/printer_options.c
==>
# CUPS sources
src/cups/genppd.c
# Foomatic-related sources
src/foomatic/printer_options.c

When GIMP_SOURCE is true, the lines are nicely commented out with '#'.
I won't use this though ;-)

> Roger> if COND
> Roger> FOO
> Roger> BAR
> Roger> BAZ
> Roger> else
> Roger> BAD
> Roger> endif
> 
> I read this example but I don't understand how it differs from what we
> already do.  Right now you can enclose all kinds of stuff in a single
> conditional.  What you can't do is have a conditional that starts or
> ends in the middle of a rule or macro definition.

OK.  I though that in the past I could only have one line between
if-endif or if-else or else-endif.  That was quite some time ago though.
automake.info only gives examples which use a single line.

> Roger> Being able to use 'ifndef' would also be another nice addition,
> Roger> or has this already been done (I possibly remember this being
> Roger> mentioned).
> 
> You can use `if !FOO'.

Great.

Many thanks,
Roger

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Re: AM_CONDITIONAL and config.status

2002-02-02 Thread Tom Tromey

> "Roger" == Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Roger> OK.  I though that in the past I could only have one line between
Roger> if-endif or if-else or else-endif.

It has always worked to put a lot of stuff inside the condition.

Tom