Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

[dave via AF]

Exactly more professional and possibly a long term install.
If you have a steel building with pitch im sure there would be a place 
somewhere on the outside to do a small pad and pin and building 
attachment to go above peek height needed.

 I mean if your gonna do it make it last ten years...


On 3/19/20 3:26 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:

Take a look at this to get the creative juices flowing.

https://www.ispsupplies.com/RF-Armor-NPM30WM

I carry one in stock pretty much at all times.  Consider mounting 
similar with ballasts to a trailer and put up 2 sections, it will get 
rid of the rooftop issue.




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On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:28 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Working on a possible project and limiting to inventory on hand.
We may want to put some EPMP clusters on a piece of 25g on some
roofs. 2 of the roofs may be problematic as they are steel
commercial roof with a pitch and steel ridgecap.

We have a pile of 25g sections on hand and a handful of
baseplates. on the flat roofs I could probably just frame out a
ballast tray from angle iron and fasten the baseplate right to
that couldnt I? 10 foot freestanding

A peak sled could be fashioned over the steel roofs, maybe, but
historically we tend to just stay off steel altogether, especially
if its pitched.

Aside from chuck, who can make everything. out of normal
onhand items most of us have in the dead junk rooms, how would you
get 10' sticks of 25g to stay put with that kind of wind load? We
have been deploying 3k sectors with the smart antennas, but i
think in this projects case i would forego them to limit windload.

Most of these roofs are relatively short, 20-40'
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[dave via AF]

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something 
equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc 
jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid 
cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'

We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms 
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/

Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those 
beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 
stranded pairs up the tower for power.

Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let 
me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would want...


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt > wrote:


What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[dave via AF]

We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more of these 
we have mostly 3Ghz medusas.
Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning detector for 
an all battery backup site I just dont do it anymore.
Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too many dc 
factors to cause overload or damage.
You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I had have a 
minimal of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2 450m 5Ghz
We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which included a 
hardened switch and packetflux rack injector for timing using dinrails 
and buss bar
to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to distribute 
power and fuse buss we also installed a transtector 48v dc arrestor top 
and bottom for
the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each medusa for 
both Dc line and ethernet.


The site has been in play for a while now with out issue.

Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys.
Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the medusa at all 
just do some simple surge protection top and bottom and everything 
should be fine.
I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single medusa why not 
give it what it needs to perform and sustain.


Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs power too.



On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.  
Maybe the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or 
something.


I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over 
cables right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are 
powered over 4 x 24AWG wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent 
to 3 wire gauges, 4 in parallel is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 
x 24 AWG is equivalent to 1 x 18 AWG.  So nothing even close to 12 AWG 
much less 8 AWG is needed.


Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.

3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s 
a lot of batteries.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  
This is about 1.6A @ 48V.


12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in 
54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V 
according to the spec sheet.


Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be 
fine using 12AWG @ 250ft.


What am I missing?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair
pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10
hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms

https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC
those beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8
stranded pairs up the tower for power.
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a
thing, let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths
you would want...

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for
connectors?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[dave via AF]

Not all only the ones that are more West facing on a mt side. The 
lightning there can be very impacting.
The ones that have back up gennys do just fine during storms because 
most of the time the power is broken due to a fuse or breaker somewhere 
down the line.
The others that have no genny and have a battery back up source we will 
drop that source if there is approaching storm within 3 mile or less.

Takes about 10-15 min the storm will move out and power can be restored.



On 4/3/20 2:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

Dave,

You power all your DC sites down during lightning storms?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:40 PM Josh Baird <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:


What are you using for DC surge suppression at the top and bottom?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:23 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more
of these we have mostly 3Ghz medusas.
Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning
detector for an all battery backup site I just dont do it
anymore.
Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too
many dc factors to cause overload or damage.
You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I
had have a minimal of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2
450m 5Ghz
We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which
included a hardened switch and packetflux rack injector for
timing using dinrails and buss bar
to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to
distribute power and fuse buss we also installed a transtector
48v dc arrestor top and bottom for
the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each
medusa for both Dc line and ethernet.

The site has been in play for a while now with out issue.

Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys.
Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the
medusa at all just do some simple surge protection top and
bottom and everything should be fine.
I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single
medusa why not give it what it needs to perform and sustain.

Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs
power too.



On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65
or 70W.  Maybe the 80W number is at startup or extremes of
temperature or something.

I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via
POE over cables right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet. 
So they are powered over 4 x 24AWG wires in parallel.  2 in
parallel is equivalent to 3 wire gauges, 4 in parallel is
equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is equivalent to
1 x 18 AWG.  So nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG
is needed.

Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.

3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares
me.  That’s a lot of batteries.

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX
port).  This is about 1.6A @ 48V.

12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8%
resulting in 54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should
run just fine at 54.5V according to the spec sheet.

Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still
should be fine using 12AWG @ 250ft.

What am I missing?

    On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6
450i or something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min
by 2 pair pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even
with #10 hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss
in the wire at 250'
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms

https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that
48vDC those beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to
everything and #8 stranded pairs up the tower 

Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

[dave via AF]

yes, we use telepathy now a days where have you been :)


On 4/6/20 5:02 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Have people forgotten that they can make phone calls from their 
texting device?


Nate Burke wrote:
Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number.  But 
then don't even say who they are? I just got one in,  All it says is 
'I need to update my credit card'  No other info, no Name, nothing.


Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

[dave via AF]

Way too much time on our hands lol!
I think a productive way to devote our time is to come up with a 
radiated laser system that would target Covid in the body

and ZAP it!


On 4/6/20 2:24 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:


What's the key to COVID-19? How about this door opener that allows you 
to open different types of doors without physically touching them.


Want a "Corona Key" for your very own? STL file is attached.

I didn't invent this. Saw an ad on Facebook, designed it myself and 
printed it.


Looking for a 3D printer? RUN, don't walk, and get a Prusa. Mine 
arrived the other day after my other one died and it is nothing less 
than amazing. MUCH easier to use. I pretty much press print and prints 
work nearly every time. Auto bed leveling so I'm not wasting several 
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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[dave via AF]

Mozilla thunderbird ++1


On 9/17/19 8:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t 
buy Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it 
really sucks, I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.





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Re: [AFMUG] Grounding again

[dave via AF]

Gino,
 R56 usually states for data lines that the shield be grounded aprox 3' 
from radio entry port or surge protection on tower and duplicate for the 
down stairs.
The idea is to pull off as much un-wanted energy from the cable to 
ground. Also,consider using Surge protection devices such as Chuck's 
gear to help with any line surges.


We do this as a standard on all new and any updates we do on our sites.
We have recently started using Cat6 for our latest project using only 
superior Essex as it has the added rigid copper jacket with outer and 
inner pvc jacket which makes it very rigid for vertical install and 
cambium makes some awesome ground kits for it.




On 9/26/19 8:45 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


So we have had lots of issues with blow radios recently during storms.

I do know that we are possibly causing them because we are using 
McCowns SS with Netonix switches.


So our long term plant is to fuse them, but in the meantime, should we 
connect the radios directly to the Netonix switches?


Should we ground the shielded cable shield or would the grounding of 
the radio would suffice?


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CnPulse sad

[dave via AF]

I knew he would be watching this list LOL

BTW.. I  have had no issues installing ugps or cnpulse which work 
flawless despite its weirdness LOL



On 9/25/19 2:46 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:


Just want to say THANK YOU for the feedback. I love reading this list 
every day…


Matt

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 25, 2019 2:44 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

Yes, with universities having “cry closets” for our snowflake 
generation to use during finals, what would one expect.


BTW, AFMUG is not a “safe space”, we do our best to “trigger” 
snowflakes and it could be best said that we are a “brave space”.


*From:*Nate Burke

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:37 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

I'm sure they stopped doing that because all the sensitive engineers 
who are just out of college now can't handle being told that their 
ideas are bad.


I think the last time they had an event which was similar was when the 
original god-awful EPMP 1000 dishes had just come out.  The meeting 
was in January, we had one with and tried to get the engineers to come 
out and assemble it on the tailgate in the parking lot with us.  They 
refused.


On 9/25/2019 2:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

Way back in the day, Motorola would send some of us prototypes to
test and give feedback on before they finalized the designs.

They used to also have groups of users voice opinions about the
roadmap.

*From:*Eric Muehleisen

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:28 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

I had the same head scratching moment with the uGPS before it was
called the cnPulse. The design is awkward to say the least. It
didn't have any idiot lights which was difficult for the tower
crew to troubleshoot. We quickly removed it and went to a
RackIjector. Best decision ever.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 2:11 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

We’ve always used PacketFlux sync products with Cambium
radios, I have a somewhat unusual install involving a 450i and
an omni and wanted AUX port sync and decided to try a CnPulse
instead of ordering a Syncbox Jr. AUX port version.

Am I wrong, or did the Cambium team responsible for this
product royally mess up?

1)  Big multilanguage instruction sheet, nowhere shows how to
assemble or install the product.

2) Instruction sheet has generic photo of Cambium radios
installed at a tower but does not show a CnPulse.

3)  Bracket is stupid and for some reason they decided the
cable glands should come out horizontally not at the bottom.

4)  Screws for attaching bracket (or flipping it around to
mount on the opposite side of the pipe) require a T15 bit,
because every tower climber carriers Torx bits.

5)  Label for which port is which is on the back where the
bracket attaches.  Yes there are also labels molded into the
plastic housing, but the grey on grey is almost invisible.

The bracket is so stupid it’s tempting to just electrical tape
the unit to the pipe. Except if we pointed the cable glands
down, would it still see the satellites?

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Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

[dave via AF]

Love that show lol
Walking Dead on in 9 days
Fear the walking Dead rapping up



On 9/25/19 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Is it like “The Good Place”?

(season 4 premiere tomorrow)

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 25, 2019 3:45 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

Yeah but it is our hell.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 25, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Robert > wrote:


You are saying AFMUG is a form of hell?

On 9/25/19 12:43 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

Yes, with universities having “cry closets” for our snowflake
generation to use during finals, what would one expect.

BTW, AFMUG is not a “safe space”, we do our best to “trigger”
snowflakes and it could be best said that we are a “brave space”.

*From:*Nate Burke

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:37 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

I'm sure they stopped doing that because all the sensitive
engineers who are just out of college now can't handle being
told that their ideas are bad.

I think the last time they had an event which was similar was
when the original god-awful EPMP 1000 dishes had just come
out.  The meeting was in January, we had one with and tried to
get the engineers to come out and assemble it on the tailgate
in the parking lot with us.  They refused.

On 9/25/2019 2:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

Way back in the day, Motorola would send some of us
prototypes to test and give feedback on before they
finalized the designs.

They used to also have groups of users voice opinions
about the roadmap.

*From:*Eric Muehleisen

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:28 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

I had the same head scratching moment with the uGPS before
it was called the cnPulse. The design is awkward to say
the least. It didn't have any idiot lights which was
difficult for the tower crew to troubleshoot. We quickly
removed it and went to a RackIjector. Best decision ever.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 2:11 PM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

We’ve always used PacketFlux sync products with
Cambium radios, I have a somewhat unusual install
involving a 450i and an omni and wanted AUX port sync
and decided to try a CnPulse instead of ordering a
Syncbox Jr. AUX port version.

Am I wrong, or did the Cambium team responsible for
this product royally mess up?

1)  Big multilanguage instruction sheet, nowhere shows
how to assemble or install the product.

2)  Instruction sheet has generic photo of Cambium
radios installed at a tower but does not show a CnPulse.

3)  Bracket is stupid and for some reason they decided
the cable glands should come out horizontally not at
the bottom.

4)  Screws for attaching bracket (or flipping it
around to mount on the opposite side of the pipe)
require a T15 bit, because every tower climber
carriers Torx bits.

5)  Label for which port is which is on the back where
the bracket attaches.  Yes there are also labels
molded into the plastic housing, but the grey on grey
is almost invisible.

The bracket is so stupid it’s tempting to just
electrical tape the unit to the pipe.  Except if we
pointed the cable glands down, would it still see the
satellites?

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Re: [AFMUG] Grounding again

[dave via AF]

No, I mainly use Mikrotik with Packet flux in front of switch. I still 
dont take chances anymore with anything on a tower :)



On 9/26/19 5:20 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


Are you using Netonix switches?

*From: *AF  on behalf of dave via AF 


*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 6:16 PM
*To: *"af@af.afmug.com" 
*Cc: *David Milholen 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Grounding again

Gino,
 R56 usually states for data lines that the shield be grounded aprox 
3' from radio entry port or surge protection on tower and duplicate 
for the down stairs.
The idea is to pull off as much un-wanted energy from the cable to 
ground. Also,consider using Surge protection devices such as Chuck's 
gear to help with any line surges.


We do this as a standard on all new and any updates we do on our sites.
We have recently started using Cat6 for our latest project using only 
superior Essex as it has the added rigid copper jacket with outer and 
inner pvc jacket which makes it very rigid for vertical install and 
cambium makes some awesome ground kits for it.



On 9/26/19 8:45 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

So we have had lots of issues with blow radios recently during
storms.

I do know that we are possibly causing them because we are using
McCowns SS with Netonix switches.

So our long term plant is to fuse them, but in the meantime,
should we connect the radios directly to the Netonix switches?

Should we ground the shielded cable shield or would the grounding
of the radio would suffice?

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Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

[dave via AF]

+1 I have a couple in my network and a Campus that uses them for 
standard deployments



On 9/27/19 12:23 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


I’ve been using the UBNT POE switches (48 port SFP+ uplink) for a few 
years now in my small office and they work great.


Even better use the unify version and get a cloud key etc so you have 
the nice interface, and even better get the unify routers to do deep 
packet inspection in their nice interface.


You can still get to the ‘ugly’ full on interface with a click from 
the ‘nice’ interface which I like.


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Maybe I will move my switch to the cloud...

*From:*Adair Winter

*Sent:*Friday, September 27, 2019 9:02 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

We've moved our house network to ubnt edgeswitch. or if you like cloud 
things.. ubnt unifi


On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:00 AM > wrote:


I have a flaky ethernet switch at my shop.

Actually I have two of them and not which one is causing problems.

I need about 72 ports, some POE, some not.

Recommendations? My POE switch is Nortel...

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding

[dave via AF]

Yes, +1
I have proof a tower where the sections have little or no conductivity.
We did exothermic at the base but did crimp at the top and we used the 
harger clamps every 3' down the tower and no longer have any issues with 
the site. BTW it was 440' in height


This has been installed since 2017.



On 9/29/19 2:00 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Definitely. A 2/0 or larger exothermically welded to a top mounted 
ground rod to the ground system at bottom improves conducting strikes 
to earth greatly. Counting on tower sections to conduct the strike to 
ground is unreliable at best.


On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 12:32 PM Matt > wrote:


I have seen some towers that have a copper ground wire run all the way
to top of tower.  Is there any real benefit in this for lightning
protection?

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Re: [AFMUG] Grounding again

[dave via AF]

Yeah that makes sense because to give it an umbrella or cone of 
protection for everything in its direct radi.
Probably about 20 to 30 foot from center for good protection. The signal 
and electrical all go back to single point Main earth

Very cool stuff
 The most important, is hope that the soil has the chemical make up for 
the conductivity needed.


 If the earth is bad then other ground methods must be used IE chemical 
grounds or grids



On 9/27/19 10:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Just got home from work in Kermit Texas and Hobbs New Mexico 
area...this is what they are doing at water pump sites surrounded by 
oil pump sites.  The lightning attractor is connected directly to 
ground rod with insulated copper line. They get some very serious 
strikes...nothing else is connected to the lightning system. Equipment 
and radios are grounded elsewhere.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 7:45 AM Gino A. Villarini > wrote:


So we have had lots of issues with blow radios recently during
storms.

I do know that we are possibly causing them because we are using
McCowns SS with Netonix switches.

So our long term plant is to fuse them, but in the meantime,
should we connect the radios directly to the Netonix switches?

Should we ground the shielded cable shield or would the grounding
of the radio would suffice?

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Re: [AFMUG] Grounding again

[dave via AF]

kool thing about utility is that if the pole doesnt have a ground lead 
or the transformers do not have the surge block on it then yes your 
asking for an end of run nightmare LOL



On 9/28/19 9:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Nice.  I like it.

I’ll bet that utility pole in the background with the transformers 
attracts its share of lighting, too.


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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Grounding again

Just got home from work in Kermit Texas and Hobbs New Mexico 
area...this is what they are doing at water pump sites surrounded by 
oil pump sites.  The lightning attractor is connected directly to 
ground rod with insulated copper line. They get some very serious 
strikes...nothing else is connected to the lightning system. Equipment 
and radios are grounded elsewhere.


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So we have had lots of issues with blow radios recently during
storms.

I do know that we are possibly causing them because we are using
McCowns SS with Netonix switches.

So our long term plant is to fuse them, but in the meantime,
should we connect the radios directly to the Netonix switches?

Should we ground the shielded cable shield or would the grounding
of the radio would suffice?

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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

[dave via AF]

I typically try to move them up between major release firmware.
I would go from 15.0 to 15.2.1 then straight to 16.1


On 10/3/19 3:58 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

Nope. You should be able to go straight to 16.1

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm jumping into a set of PMP450 radios that haven't been updated
in 3
years or so.

Are there any incompatible upgrades between 15.0 and 16.1?

Is there a certain order of upgrades that matters?  I remember way
back
in the day when there was a big jump you had to do the upgrades in a
certain sequence.

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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

[dave via AF]

I found an issue with upgrading AP to 16.1 before the subs because 15.0 
may not reconnect



On 10/3/19 7:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Interesting.  Is that related to the new scheduler?

On 10/3/2019 5:12 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
Make sure you upgrade all your SM's first before the AP. 16.1 is not 
backwards compatible and any SM's new out of the box will not work. 
We are staying on 16.0.1 for the foreseeable future.


On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:58 PM Ryan Ray > wrote:


Nope. You should be able to go straight to 16.1

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm jumping into a set of PMP450 radios that haven't been
updated in 3
years or so.

Are there any incompatible upgrades between 15.0 and 16.1?

Is there a certain order of upgrades that matters?  I
remember way back
in the day when there was a big jump you had to do the
upgrades in a
certain sequence.

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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

[dave via AF]

I am only running 16.1 on the 450M


On 10/3/19 4:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I’d still check release notes.  There were some caveats, but they 
probably don’t apply to you.


One was if you have any 430 SMs.  Another had to do with encryption.  
And another had to do with 450m.


Also was there some discussion that 16.1 might have some bug?  I think 
we’re still using 16.0.1 here.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
*Sent:* Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:58 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

Nope. You should be able to go straight to 16.1

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm jumping into a set of PMP450 radios that haven't been updated
in 3
years or so.

Are there any incompatible upgrades between 15.0 and 16.1?

Is there a certain order of upgrades that matters?  I remember way
back
in the day when there was a big jump you had to do the upgrades in a
certain sequence.

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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

[dave via AF]

Yep +1 thats what I found when I updated the wrong ap one time.
I dont update my 450i radios to 16.1 only my medusa radios get that.
450i stops on 16.0.1 for me


On 10/4/19 8:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Same here. And I think you want your SMs on at least 15.2 before 
upgrading the AP to 16.1.


I have not had problems taking the SMs to 16.x first, but I think you 
can have problems connecting if the SMs are too far behind the AP.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave via AF
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*To:* af@af.afmug.com
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

I am only running 16.1 on the 450M

On 10/3/19 4:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’d still check release notes.  There were some caveats, but they
probably don’t apply to you.

One was if you have any 430 SMs.  Another had to do with
encryption.  And another had to do with 450m.

Also was there some discussion that 16.1 might have some bug?  I
think we’re still using 16.0.1 here.

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
*Sent:* Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:58 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

Nope. You should be able to go straight to 16.1

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm jumping into a set of PMP450 radios that haven't been
updated in 3
years or so.

Are there any incompatible upgrades between 15.0 and 16.1?

Is there a certain order of upgrades that matters?  I remember
way back
in the day when there was a big jump you had to do the
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certain sequence.

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik queues and packet loss

[dave via AF]

I have been curious about this...
Is your tracking set to yes in the connection tracking for the firewall?


On 10/4/19 11:08 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I have a device with a direct ethernet connection to a CCR 1016. 
There's a simple queue limiting it to 100mbps.


If I ping that host aggressively (like 50pps) then I get small amounts 
of packet loss.  If I disable the queue then I get no packet loss 
whatsoever.  I fiddled with different queue sizes and queue types, but 
there's no obvious difference until I turn the queue off.  The ROS 
version is recent, but not the newest.  Is this a known thing? I don't 
make extensive use of Mikrotik's queues so this is new to me.


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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco AP clean up..

[dave via AF]

Nice,
I am sure the guy who originally did the initial deployments of all 
those aps was a resident expert in all things techy lol.

Love it when a pro comes in and shows how its done with very little effort.

Just goes to show leave it to the pros the first time


On 10/9/19 8:28 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Few months ago I performed an RF site survey for a warehouse with 24 
Cisco APs for barcode scanner work mostly that was having issues.  
Long story short .. way too many APs stepping on each other.
Today they hired me to fix issues.  Disconnected 16 APs and told them 
which 2.4GHz channels to use where.

Boom.
100% coverage, no more drop outs, and faster performance.
It was a good few hours of work.



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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco AP clean up..

[dave via AF]

Yep never thought about cats in that way LOL


On 10/10/19 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Maybe it’s like the rule that for N cats you need N+1 litter boxes.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave via AF
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*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* dave 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cisco AP clean up..

Nice,
I am sure the guy who originally did the initial deployments of all 
those aps was a resident expert in all things techy lol.
Love it when a pro comes in and shows how its done with very little 
effort.


Just goes to show leave it to the pros the first time

On 10/9/19 8:28 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Few months ago I performed an RF site survey for a warehouse with
24 Cisco APs for barcode scanner work mostly that was having
issues.  Long story short .. way too many APs stepping on each other.

Today they hired me to fix issues. Disconnected 16 APs and told
them which 2.4GHz channels to use where.

Boom.

100% coverage, no more drop outs, and faster performance.

It was a good few hours of work.






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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco AP clean up..

[dave via AF]

I am laughing sooo hard right now :)
I needed that today :)


On 10/10/19 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I think that rule is per Jackson Galaxy.  I don’t know if he does WiFi 
evaluations.  Jaime would be a better choice for that. Maybe the two 
fields of expertise intersect, like your cats are peeing on the 
furniture because you have too many WiFi APs.


https://www.jacksongalaxy.com/

https://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/my-cat-from-hell/

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:15 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* dave 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cisco AP clean up..

Yep never thought about cats in that way LOL

On 10/10/19 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Maybe it’s like the rule that for N cats you need N+1 litter boxes.

*From:*AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *dave via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2019 8:12 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Cc:* dave  <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cisco AP clean up..

Nice,
I am sure the guy who originally did the initial deployments of
all those aps was a resident expert in all things techy lol.
Love it when a pro comes in and shows how its done with very
little effort.

Just goes to show leave it to the pros the first time

On 10/9/19 8:28 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Few months ago I performed an RF site survey for a warehouse
with 24 Cisco APs for barcode scanner work mostly that was
having issues.  Long story short .. way too many APs stepping
on each other.

Today they hired me to fix issues. Disconnected 16 APs and
told them which 2.4GHz channels to use where.

Boom.

100% coverage, no more drop outs, and faster performance.

It was a good few hours of work.









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Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Base 3

[dave via AF]

Me Likey alot!

Anxious to see all the new stuff this year.

Dave


On 10/8/19 5:55 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
In addition to my SNMP response, I just remembered there was something 
else I wanted to add.


In re: the base II, if you're comfortable and familiar with the way it 
works, there is right now little reason to upgrade.  That's why we're 
not discontinuing it immediately. One of the vendors we use uses the 
phrase "Customer Driven Obsolescence", which is what we're going to do 
with the Base II.   We have a few products like this in our inventory 
- they go from very well stocked, to limited stock, to build to order, 
and at some point we look and say 'we haven't sold any (or 1 or 2) in 
the last year, we're just going to stop offering them'.


But for new users, the Base 3 is much simpler to use interface wise, 
and the SNMP is a lot easier to grasp due to the MIBS.   Plus I've got 
things like scripting and on-device logging/graphing on the roadmap 
(not committing to a timeline yet - treat these two as vaporware right 
now).


The last year or so we've taken to hiding the base unit and similar 
sort of in the back of the booth and we show off the 
rackinjector since we know how hard the base II can be for the newer 
generation of users we are seeing.   Those of us who have been around 
the block a few times can use either, but the base 3 is a lot easier 
to deal with interface wise.


On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 7:57 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


+1 for keeping SiteMonitor base 2 but I would like to see what
base 3 looks like in Vegas.

Hopefully you have the SNMP MIB match?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 12:55 AM Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

Sorry for the non-Friday marketing, I'm trying to get out of
town headed toward WISPAPALOOZA with a few meetings and family
visits along the way. But figured several of you would be
interested in the following.

(The following is a mostly-duplicate of an email I sent out to
customers who asked to be notified of new product announcements).

At WISPAPALOOZA next week, we’ll be showcasing the SiteMonitor
Base 3 Classic Edition.

The Base 3 is the successor of the current Base Unit II
product. It’s designed with an easy to use and mobile-friendly
web interface virtually identical to the one in our
RackInjector product. Gone are the 1’s and 0’s of the old
SNMP-based web interface. Instead, everything is easy to
understand and much more intuitive. If you’re at WISPAPALOOZA,
stop by and take a look (and tell your friends too).

In addition, the Base 3 is designed with the future in mind.
The existing Base Unit II product reached a point where there
wasn’t any room in the internal program memory to add more
functionality. In contrast, we’ve just barely touched the
surface of what the Base 3 is capable of. We’ll be adding more
and more features as time goes on.

The Classic Edition retains the existing form factor and
maintains electrical compatibility with the existing product
line. It is designed as a drop-in replacement for the older
Base Units. At most sites, you’ll be able to simply swap out a
Base Unit II for a Base 3 and gain all of the functionality of
the newer Base 3.

For those of you who have expansion modules (such as
SyncInjectors, PowerInjectors, additional I/O and/or other
interfaces), our intent is to support most expansion modules
that have shipped. At release, you’ll be able to manage the
Base 3 and Revision H or later SyncInjectors and
PowerInjectors. Others will be added quickly afterward. The
only possible exception is some of the very first modules we
shipped well over 7 years ago – we’re still assessing the
earliest modules to determine what’s needed to support them.
If we can support them, we will.

For many of the expansion modules, you’ll instantly gain much
more functionality than was possible to accomplish with the
previous Base Unit. As a specific example, the SyncInjectors
and PowerInjectors are gaining greatly improved GPS and 1PPS
status information, to help troubleshoot any GPS receiver
problems one might have. In addition, port descriptions are
now long enough to store pretty much any information and are
set on a per-port, not per-item basis.

We’ll be taking pre-orders for the new Base 3 shortly, with
units hopefully shipping around the end of the year.
Initially, pre-orders will be limited to 2 per customer,
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Re: [AFMUG] the Internet ate my homework

[dave via AF]

LOL +1000 Likes


On 10/10/19 8:31 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:





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Re: [AFMUG] Office Laser Printer

[dave via AF]

Yeah, Those $10 ones can be vicious LOL


On 10/11/19 9:08 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I have a lot better luck with dedicated scanners. My Fujitsu ScanSnap 
IX1500 is 50 times better than any scanner I have ever used as part of 
a printer. It is faster, produces files sizes about a third the size, 
and swallows anything I throw at it like a $10 crack whore.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:26 PM > wrote:


Scanning is very very useful.  Sheet feeders are very very useful.
Printing
on a size B paper is also useful.  For that I have an older used
HP.  For D
size drawings I have an HP T120 that works pretty well.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 4:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Office Laser Printer

> What is a good affordable office laser printer?

I should add network, black and white and just printer.  No scanning,
faxing and etc.  I want all our employees in given section to use it
over network.

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Re: [AFMUG] Office Laser Printer

[dave via AF]

Little know fact about what I used to do before 2004...
I was a master tec with sharp office products LOL
Sharps were expensive in their own right but built to last.

The first encounter I had was with a copier that had tongs to remove a 
paper jam lol

I think it was a model sf-400 0r 300 that was in 1996

Got see the technology move from analog lighting and mirrors to digital 
reproduction and some of the

first color copiers/printers to hit the market.



On 10/11/19 9:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have had my Sharp for 6 years and it has not had one hiccup.
I like the fact that I can load the sheet feeder, set it to scan, any 
resolution, color or B&W and walk away.

The PDF shows up in my email.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2019 8:21 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Office Laser Printer
Previous Brother worked for a few years.  The print head got all dried 
up from lack of use, though.
Replaced with a Brother MFC-J5330DW - it does all the 
scanning/printing and such but most importantly it is networked.  I 
click a button on the scanner and it sends it to an NFS/Samba folder.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 10:09 AM Lewis Bergman 
 wrote:


I have a lot better luck with dedicated scanners. My Fujitsu
ScanSnap IX1500 is 50 times better than any scanner I have ever
used as part of a printer. It is faster, produces files sizes
about a third the size, and swallows anything I throw at it like a
$10 crack whore.
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:26 PM  wrote:

Scanning is very very useful.  Sheet feeders are very very
useful. Printing
on a size B paper is also useful.  For that I have an older
used HP.  For D
size drawings I have an HP T120 that works pretty well.

-Original Message-
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 4:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Office Laser Printer

> What is a good affordable office laser printer?

I should add network, black and white and just printer.  No
scanning,
faxing and etc.  I want all our employees in given section to
use it
over network.

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CRS switches

[dave via AF]

I have a few CRS328 ans love them and configuring vlans is cake even 
port isolation.
Work with cisco before which was like breathing to me when doing vlans 
and other port isolation techniques.
I think one must really understand each manufacture on how they name a 
feature and understand the how and

why of vlans.


On 10/18/19 9:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


I have some opinions on this.

1) Yes they're cheap.

2) They run ROS, so if a newb comes along who doesn't realize that 
this is switch hardware and it has a crappy CPU, then that newb might 
try to make firewall rules and VPN tunnels and other such router 
functionality in the config.  That will be a mistake because the CPU 
is weak and you will get crappy performance. Leave it as an L2 switch 
and the performance is perfectly fine.


3) Configuring L2 functions on the switch menu in ROS is obtuse.  I've 
messed with VLAN's, port isolation, and port mirroring.  It's all 
strangely difficult to understand and use.


4) I've had them just decide one day that they'll stop forwarding 
packets to one or more interfaces and then "fixed" them with a 
reboot.  I've also had them sit there and do their thing as a basic 
managed switch for several years with no issue.


I would not use them for critical infrastructure anymore, but a switch 
with a small form factor and extended operating temperature spec 
generally costs several times what the CRS costs so I'd still consider 
it for the right circumstance.  I can't tell you what the right 
circumstance is.  That's your call.



On 10/18/2019 10:39 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
We usually use the lower end HP procurve switches, we have had zero 
problems with them over the years, but now theyre office connect and 
seem that all the 24 port ones are going deep instead of 10 inches.


The CRS stuff is 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of comparable HP switches.

Have any of you degenerates used these very much and stayed with 
them? We route with mikrotiks so we are aware of the mikrotik funky 
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Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

[dave via AF]

Yes,
Doing some trial runs with a smaller site we have.
Pretty cool..


On 10/21/19 1:42 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual stack with 
IPv4 CGN and IPv6 public IPs.  There's a learning curve, but it's not 
that bad.


-Adam


On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Where is the best place to get these? How do we verify space has a 
decent reputation so we dont go through months of cleanup and all 
that stuff?






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Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

[dave via AF]

Yeah.. No..
They are more up to date than you think just not ahead

On 10/21/19 2:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

yeah, no.
.gov agencies still run dos
10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized enough to 
shut down ip4 access



On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF > wrote:


Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years, if the
.govs shutdown access via v4 for security reasons.  No more FCC/
IRS or any .GOV unless over v6.  Note that the current plan is 2-3
years, I have given it an extra year for measure!

V6 should be deployed NOW.   Not later, when you HAVE TO.  Then
you will be making mistakes etc.

*LTI-Full_175px*

*Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium
ePMP Certified *

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”

*Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services

*Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net


Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space

IP6 is still years out for us

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual
stack with IPv4 CGN and IPv6 public IPs.  There's a learning
curve, but it's not that bad.

-Adam

On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Where is the best place to get these? How do we verify
space has a decent reputation so we dont go through months
of cleanup and all that stuff?

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Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

[dave via AF]

X.25 left after interoperability between each DOD branch.
Someone in a gov dark basement somewhere maybe running older os's and 
protocol but the surface is definitely staying with the times.

There are new MOS's that are requiring comp science degree to work in.


On 10/21/19 2:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Will this be before or after they stop using x.25?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 9:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space
yeah, no.
.gov agencies still run dos
10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized enough to 
shut down ip4 access
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
 wrote:


Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years, if the
.govs shutdown access via v4 for security reasons.  No more FCC/
IRS or any .GOV unless over v6.  Note that the current plan is 2-3
years, I have given it an extra year for measure!

V6 should be deployed NOW. Not later, when you HAVE TO.  Then you
will be making mistakes etc.

*LTI-Full_175px*

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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium
ePMP Certified *

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*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space

IP6 is still years out for us

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Adam Moffett 
wrote:

If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual
stack with IPv4 CGN and IPv6 public IPs.  There's a learning
curve, but it's not that bad.

-Adam

On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Where is the best place to get these? How do we verify
space has a decent reputation so we dont go through months
of cleanup and all that stuff?

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Re: [AFMUG] Falling Foliage

[dave via AF]

drone with Flame thrower LOL


On 10/25/19 7:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I wonder how strong a laser would have to be?  And then there is the 
fire risk.  Drones with agent orange would do the trick.  Drone with 
chainsaw.  Drone with shotgun.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 24, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Jason Wilson 
 wrote:



I can not confirm or deny that I may or may not have used that method 
before.




On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


lol, thats awesome

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 4:05 PM Robert Andrews
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Talked to a customer that has a tree that likes to grow into
the line of
sight.   He clears it once or twice a year.   Didn't ever ask
him how he
cleared it, it's about 50-60 feet up.   Today he volunteered his
solution while we were talking about his service.

"I shotgun it.   Use bird shot, does a great job. 10 minutes
including
the walk down to the tree and back"   "Neighbors complain,
but it's only
once or twice a year."...

Well ok then...

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Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG.com website seems down?

[dave via AF]

These are not the droids your looking for..


On 10/24/19 11:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

There seems to be normal amounts of traffic to me.
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2019 6:23 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* AFMUG.com website seems down?



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Re: [AFMUG] RF Goggles

[dave via AF]

I think the shear power of such a tool may cause temporary teleportation 
of ones self to parts unknown.



On 11/5/19 10:09 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
I have a pretty good idea to create some, but it's a massive project 
and I constantly lack energy and time...


On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 9:48 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Still not a thing?

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Re: [AFMUG] Preterminated armored jumpers

[dave via AF]

I think one would have to make them I have not seen any pre-terminated 
except the ones in the cambium Lpu kits



On 11/6/19 10:42 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
If you wanted some pre-terminated jumpers made of Superior Essex BBDGE 
or equivalent then where would you buy them?






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Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit speeds

[dave via AF]

I run into that with ATT as well


On 11/9/19 4:18 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Yes, we have our server on a 10Gb port for precisely that reason.  940Mbps is 
about the actual limit due to TCP overhead on a 1Gb link.  We routinely see 
good test results.   It does take a wired connection and a good computer to 
test at Gigabit.

Looking at the logs for the last 2000 tests on our speedtest server it shows 
multiple tests over 939Mbps including some from off net including XFinity, 
Spectrum, and ACD.

Amusingly AT&T’s best result is 539Mbps, though that probably says more about how 
our network reaches AT&T.

Mark


On Nov 9, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

Has anyone here ever actually seen gigabit speeds to a public speed test server?

As we roll out faster plans, I’m wondering how to address the end user who says 
“I’m not getting gigabit to any server I test to”.
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Re: [AFMUG] Monday Funnies

[dave via AF]

I have been Enlightned :) ROFL!


On 11/11/19 2:00 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


Weapon Delivery System:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyAi8HXgFR8&feature=youtu.be

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Live TV Streaming

[dave via AF]

Love my plex with 2500 titles and 12TB supermicro server to provide a 
UHD smooth stream experience LOL :)



On 11/8/19 8:57 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
Plex + hdhomerun quatro for locals. Sling for the few other channels I 
watch, and I can watch both of them anywhere.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 6:58 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Probably in a fringe area for youtubetv...

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 5:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Live TV Streaming

Youtubetv not in your area?

On 11/07/2019 03:44 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> None of the streaming services have the local Channels I want
anyway.
> Chicago WGN Local broadcast, you can Stream their news
broadcast, but only
> to a browser.  And CLTV, Chicago local news all day (Only
available on
> Comcast and RCN)
>
> Ok, so WGN is available on Layer3TV(Tmobile TV) , But they make
you choose
> your Internet provider from the local cable/telco drop down before
> continuing on their website.  I wonder if it's IP Locked to only
those
> providers.  They also have their own settop box.
>
> HGTV is good to have on as background programing while I'm
working, I
> can't watch food network, or I'd just eat all day.  And the "news"
> channels basically just seem yell at each other now (regardless
of your
> leanings)    The News channels are nice to have if something
major is
> happening though.
>
> Philo does look to fit the bill of what I mostly watch.  I do
have HULU,
> so most network programs I care about are there the next day. I
don't care
> about sports at all.
>
> On 11/7/2019 5:21 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>> Nate,
>>
>> Look  at philo.com . Doesn't do locals or
sports.  May have to bundle
>> it with sling to get some sports and use OTA for locals
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>   Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com 
>>
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>> Thursday, November 7, 2019, 5:51:51 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> NB> So I'm starting to look for a replacement for PSVue.
>>
>> NB> I've looked at Youtube TV, Sling and Hulu TV. They all only
have
>> NB> fraction of the channels that VUE did.  Most notably none
of them
>> have
>> NB> any of the Hallmark Channels.
>>
>> NB> Hallmark Movies and Mysteries is available on the
$100/month ATT NOW
>> NB> package.
>>
>> NB> Youtube TV at least has Food Network.
>>
>> NB> I guess that must be why VUE was failing, they were just
offering too
>> NB> much.    Now I just have to decide which one has what I
want to watch
>> NB> the most.
>>
>>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Disney+ Starting

[dave via AF]

Whats an ISP?
 LOL


On 11/12/19 9:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All these sub-$10 services are like "you expect tech support with that?
Call your ISP".

Of course that's not the end game price once they reach market penetration
goals.  But they will still say call your ISP.
  


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:45 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Disney+ Starting

Wondering if there will be high streaming tonight.

Although,  I signed up with my HULU Account.  Working fine on PC, but FireTV
and Android App are both 'Unable to connect to Disney+'

"There seems to be an issue connecting to the Disney+ service.
Please try again later if the issue persists."

At least It doesn't say to call your ISP.   I'm guessing that's how most
customers will read it though.


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Re: [AFMUG] Started a WISP discord server

[dave via AF]

OMG.. Teamspeak still rocks..
Uhg quick re-inventing the wheel


On 11/14/19 12:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Discord replaced Teamspeak and Ventrillo.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 11:51 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


So I'm realizing that I'm quickly reaching the age where all this
newfangled stuff is moving too fast.  I've never heard of Dischord
before.  A quick Google search, it looks like basically it's a
paryline with the addition of texting?

What's the draw?

On 11/14/2019 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

OK, not sure what to do with this.  I have it loaded on the phone
now.
Like to have a group of employees try it.  What is next?  They
all add the app and then what?
Create a server, join a server.  Just like to give it a quick try.
*From:* Timothy Steele
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 8:58 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Started a WISP discord server
Forgot to set invite link to never expire
here is the new link https://discord.gg/JfcyhZg
Thanks,
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:26 PM Timothy Steele
 wrote:

That's odd
I checked the settings again and not required
Also have about 5 other users that joined just fine
I'll keep looking into it but from what I'm reading ether you
never verified your discord email, failed that captcha or
discord flagged your account
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 1:39 PM  wrote:

> Started a WISP discord server
> If anyone wants to check it out
  Requires a phone number to access. Screw that.

Jared


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Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers

[dave via AF]

LOL
I know your pain.. retirement city on the rise.
Cant have a zombie apocalypse soon enough


On 11/16/19 11:31 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Anybody else losing their patience with streamers?

The people who just moved from somewhere they had gigabit fiber to the 
middle of nowhere in a low spot surrounded by tons of trees, and say 
they stream all their TV on 3-4 screens at the same time.


I want to yell at them, if you had affordable blazing fast Internet, 
and it’s that important to you, why did you move?  And if you had to 
move, why didn’t you move to a nice suburb with fiber or at least 
cable?  And why do you have to stream everything?  You could get 
satellite TV.  Yes, it’s expensive, get over it.  You could put up a 
TV antenna.  You could get DVDs by mail.  Or if moving to the country 
was so important, you could go out on the ATV or horse or snowmobile, 
or go hunting, or feed the chickens and mini goats.  If they’re 
streaming all the time, I have to suspect the reason for moving to 
Green Acres was to save on property taxes, and the reason for 
streaming is to avoid paying $200/month to DirecTV or DISH.


It’s gotten so  bad, a significant number of prospective customers say 
they only want Internet to stream, anything else they can do on their 
phone.  And when a streaming subscription is sub $10 (or free with 
Amazon Prime), they’re thinking Internet is like shipping, it 
shouldn’t cost more than the item being delivered.


I know, “OK boomer”.




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Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers

[dave via AF]

Yeah, I know wut ya mean...
We have 23 sites both rural and urban sites and our heaviest sites sit 
both urban and rural
with 2 cable providers and all the other mobile and satellite options in 
our area.
 We use Medusa on 5 of our largest sites and everything else falls 
within 450i or epmp operations.
The smallest backhall is a Force200 link where everything else is all 
ptp670 or 11ghz 1Gb

I think we have a few ptp550 links in there somewhere.

We just put our best foot forward on performance,quality and reliability 
as well as local support.




On 11/17/19 9:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


If that’s all it costs you, kudos.

But we’re running out of spectrum at many towers (there are other 
WISPs throughout our service  area), plus we also have to add backhaul 
capacity, and all that uses power so we need more batteries.  We’re 
having to run backhauls in licensed spectrum, even to micropops.  And 
we’re having to add “small cells” to get closer to customers. Because 
with all the streaming we can’t have customers at low modulations, and 
to reach those customers who move to a low spot surrounded by trees, 
and to deal with spectrum exhaustion.  All this costs a lot more than 
$300.


We have 3.65GHz sites fed via 11 GHz with 10 subscribers.  The only 
way that makes money is averaging over all our sites.  And still we 
can’t build enough micropops to get LOS to everyone who chooses to 
live down by a creek surrounded by trees.  Yesterday I checked photos 
from 3 of our towers to a prospective customer and the only thing we 
could see was a little of the peak of a 40 ft barn with big gaping 
holes in the roof that would be unsafe to walk on, and that was on an 
old micropop where we’re out of backhaul capacity to sell 20+ Mbps 
speeds (it’s actually fed via an SM from another tower, something we 
don’t do anymore).  They apparently bought the house from an elderly 
couple, at their previous house they had gigabit Metronet fiber.  
Well, that was pretty sweet, maybe you shouldn’t have moved.


Honestly, I think the only real, long-term solution to rural broadband 
is FTTH.  The problem of course is money.  And with several companies 
launching thousands of LEO satellites promising broadband for 
everyone, I think that will suppress even further any large 
investments in rural broadband.  Investors would also have to weigh 
how serious the mobile carriers are about rural fixed wireless, is it 
just marketing hype and lobbying to regulators as it has been in the past?


I do find it ironic that we have low flush toilets, energy efficient 
appliances, LED light bulbs, alternate day lawn watering, and mandated 
fuel efficiency for vehicles, yet conspicuous consumption of Internet 
bandwidth seems to be our patriotic duty.  With all the content moving 
to streaming services like Disney+ and content being priced high to 
cable companies but disruptively low for streaming, it’s clear there 
won’t be a choice, traditional broadcast and cable TV is dying and 
everyone will have to get their TV via the Internet.  It’s like having 
to get a cellphone because there aren’t any payphones anymore, the 
train is leaving and you either buy a ticket or get left behind.  For 
awhile though, people do have a choice, you can still put up a TV 
antenna or get satellite TV.  It’s becoming 500 channels of crap though.


Still, if you have gigabit fiber where you live now, maybe don’t move 
to Green Acres unless you really like doing country stuff.  Or at 
least cut down some of the damn trees.  Sheesh, miles  and miles of 
open fields, and then 75 foot trees all around your house.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:43 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers

I get that. But my point is - if this is truly a rural environment it 
costs maybe $300 to add another access point for capacity.


I just don’t see the point in penalizing customers when the cost to 
add capacity is so low.



On Nov 17, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I would say it more nicely, but IMO there's a very valid point
here.  Having been at both a 100% rural WISP and an urban WISP
running side by side with cable I can say that it's less stressful
for you if the unsatisfied customers have a real option to leave. 
It forces you to stay on top of your game, but also allows a
pressure valve to release the customers you can never satisfy. 
And wouldn't we all like to have only the low to median usage and
non-complaining customers?  I don't see anything wrong with trying
to strategically dis-incentivize the ones you don't want.

In Darin's shoes the thing I'd try to remember is that the GB
values are going to be a moving target trending ever upwards. 
You'll have to evaluate and probably raise those GB allowances
every year to keep the median customers satisfied and maintain
that b

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

[dave via AF]

Aviat is being used extensively here on the AWIN sites.


On 11/19/19 9:47 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
What do you old hippie degenerates know about these folks? I did a dot 
I cross T on SAF vs Cambium gear post so I could keep getting my SAF 
gear and this Aviat fella pissed on my parade. This is an old reliable 
company, normally outside WISPs grasps offering some hella competitive 
pricing. I dont consider UBNT or Mimosa worth looking at anymore, 
mainly because theyre garbage. SAF has tickled my fancy and the boss 
keeps dropping coin at them. this sales prick however is really 
scratching my itch (and Ive been around the block).


I really cant find a reason at this point to not buy a link and see 
how it does. we arent talking nickels here, the price he offered I 
feel like a dirty grampa asking for the few percent off I always ask.


Somebody here has to have had a bad date with these guys



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Re: [AFMUG] Picking a SAS for CBRS

[dave via AF]

If u have your CPI then worry about a sas and since all this is new I 
dont think it will matter so much at first which one u go with.

Since I am pure cambium my logical is to go with google.


On 12/9/19 10:36 AM, Darrick Potter wrote:


Which SAS to use? Can anyone shed some light on either Google or 
Federated Wireless?


Thanks

Logo

Darrick Potter

Structured Cabling & Security

DMCI Broadband LLC

877 936 2422 Ext 110

Cell 517 398 5647

ddpot...@dmcibb.net




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Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet qualification

[dave via AF]

Our electricians here will pull and daisy chain them from wall port to 
wall port because you know telephone... LOL



On 12/16/19 1:41 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I charge $200 per port if I am just certifying it for someone else. 
This gets them a full report as a pdf for each port tested against 
100M or 1G depending on what they asked for. We don't do enough of 
that to justify it, I just wanted one for ourselves and found not a 
single electrician in town has one. Most will only pull the cable, 
they won't terminate.


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:13 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm aware that some electricians will take their fancy $10,000 Fluke
tester and do port qualification.  What do people typically charge
for
something like that?  Is it hourly or per port?

I'm trying to justify the cost of an ethernet analyzer, and I thought
maybe one way would be to charge for using it.

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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[dave via AF]

We still use freeside and now added preseem recently and seeing how well 
the mapping goes but we have integrated cacti as well into freeside so 
customers can see their actual usage.



On 12/16/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote:

Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
What is everyone using?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT back to the future

[dave via AF]

I could watch that over and over s Cl!


On 12/22/19 4:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Maybe this link will work:
https://www.kcra.com/article/stanford-engineers-teach-self-driving-delorean-to-drift/30301978
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Sunday, December 22, 2019 3:08 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: OT back to the future
https://www.kcra.com/b81df95d-0979-409d-bf16-ea842a272e7b



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Re: [AFMUG] CAD software

[dave via AF]

I used DraftChoice back in the early 90's and it did a simple animation 
with your drawing if u had arcs in joints and such



On 12/23/19 9:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I was in the same boat.  I am pretty good with solidworks but that is 
for 3D stuff.  I will always use solidworks if I can, but is is not 
good for civil work.


If you are doing civil drawings in 2D, autocad is still the best 
solution for multiple reasons.


I first learned AutoCad back in the mid 1980s back when the versions 
were in the single digits.
The largest learning curve when I had to get back into it a few years 
ago was the model space vs paper space.
Once I got some proficiency with that I actually like it.  You do 
everything in model space then just define paper space to show what 
you want on a drawing.  You can put lines and symbols on the paper 
space only but much of the time you would want to avoid that.


My favorite cad was turbocad which originated as logicad and was given 
away free when you bought a logitech mouse.  Autocad bought them and 
killed them.


-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 7:51 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CAD software

I used to be a draftsman, and I was pretty proficient with AutoCAD
versions up through 2000.  After playing with more recent versions it's
pretty clear that I would have to relearn from scratch because
everything is different now.

If I'm starting from square one, should I trouble myself with AutoCAD or
is there something else worth messing with?





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Re: [AFMUG] why can't guys call tech support?

[dave via AF]

+1000

On 12/21/19 4:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I think the worst are the self proclaimed IT professionals.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Saturday, December 21, 2019 3:14 PM
*To:* AFMUG
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] why can't guys call tech support?
You should probably be happy those guys don't call... there are few 
things worse than dealing with a whiney gamer (which is a different 
than an ordinary gamer)...

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 2:00 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

(rant warning, you might want to hit delete now)

Does everyone experience certain customers of the male gender who
will call their wife, girlfriend or mom (who is usually driving or
at work) and have them call the ISP about a problem but will never
just call directly?

Am I lacking in empathy, and these are socially awkward dudes
whose only social interaction is playing on the Xbox, and thank
goodness for the Internet?  They may have a genuine medical or
psychological condition, but I don’t think it’s an inability to
talk, they are able to call the female person in their life about
the Internet problem.

I am wondering if I’m just being a dick, having a mental image of
these guys sitting at home playing games while their wife or mom
is out working, and they can’t call the Internet place
themselves.  Maybe they are stay-at-home dads trying to get
multiple kids fed and diapers changed while their wife is out
having a fun time and the least she can do is call and get the
Internet fixed.

I suspect it’s biology, or how we raise girls vs boys, or maybe
the insidious effect of online gaming on social skills or lack
thereof.

Yesterday I was at a quite large house that a family had just
closed on, trying to set up WiFi throughout the house.  Mom (high
powered professional who needs Internet for work), dad, daughter
home on break from college, and son.  The daughter handled all the
tech questions and decisions, very good communication skills and
decision making.  The son hardly said a word, was just waiting for
the moving truck to bring his Xbox, only concern was Ethernet
connection in the bedroom that was to be his gaming room, had to
be “hardwired”, couldn’t be WiFi.  Now maybe he has autism or
something, but it just felt like the stereotype of young men who
can’t talk to other people IRL, only online.

OK, sorry, this turned into a rant.  And my question is probably
rhetorical. I’m pretty sure you all have customers like this. It’s
just frustrating to try and do tech support when the person who is
actually at the site and experiencing the problem doesn’t call
himself, he calls someone else who is at work or driving or at the
store or picking the kids up from school.  I wonder how outsourced
tech support handles this? Maybe the obvious way – call us when
you get home.

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Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

[dave via AF]

Just started looking at these for end users to have at their home to 
even get service or improve on what they have.
Single dish or radio perfect for a max of 80' if needed. For the most 
part we see around 40 and 50' for LOS in my part of the woods.



On 1/3/20 1:29 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Has anyone heard of this company before?

http://www.heightstowers.com/home.html

A customer suggested them for use for a low windloading situation.

I've never heard of them.



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Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

[dave via AF]

ALSO because PHYSICS LOL!


On 1/6/20 8:32 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


.because it's light, not because it's strong.

Aluminum flexes.  Structural steel has bounce too, but aluminum a lot 
more so.  It'll flex enough that climbers will comment on how much it 
moves.  Presumably it's safe if you stay within the load it's rated 
for, but the next scary thing is the rated load is going to be lower 
than steel, and it's very easy for someone to come along and add load 
without checking that.


Not saying aluminum is inherently bad, but you have to know it's 
limitations.


-Adam


On 1/6/2020 9:24 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Do you fly in aircraft? They are made of aluminum.

On Jan 6, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman > wrote:



Aluminum...no thanks.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:30 PM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


Has anyone heard of this company before?

http://www.heightstowers.com/home.html

A customer suggested them for use for a low windloading situation.

I've never heard of them.

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Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

[dave via AF]

Its a mellinal thingy or how ever you say it :)


On 1/6/20 11:20 PM, Daniel White wrote:
Yes it is going away to a forum.  Personally not a fan myself but 
demand seems to be more for forums than the mailing lists.  Will also 
make some of the committee work that happens easier so I have been told.


Most of the day to day conversation happens on Facebook anymore... was 
the only reason I ever signed up.  Not sure what was so wrong about 
e-mail :-)


photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct:+1 (702) 470-2770

Ken Hohhof wrote on 1/6/20 19:10:


You mean the main members list?  Where did you hear it was going away?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] WISPA email list

I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut off.  But just 
now I got an email.  Like to delete my folder once it is defunct.









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Re: [AFMUG] Schematic Drawings

[dave via AF]

+1000 I still use it both on windows and my linux console
Also, there is KI-Cad for the more intuitive folks


On 1/15/20 12:29 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Matt,

I've used
https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Dia?action=show&redirect=Dia

in the past.  Older software, but did what I needed.

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Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 12:11:24 PM, you wrote:

M> What is everyone using to make simple schematic drawings?  Preferably
M> free or cheap?  Basically need a simple panel wired and want to print
M> a block diagram of how everything needs wired.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

[dave via AF]

Around here the above ground pool doesnt  de-value the property due to 
possible removal if wanted.

In ground pools here sell for much less than a home without one here.
There are some really nice above ground systems but the only thing I 
would be concerned with is the decking or
construction to go with it because it would induce more maint unless you 
went with composite 100%




On 1/20/20 9:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Neighbor’s house finally sold.  In ground heated saltwater pool, 
according to the MLS listing.  I don’t know about lower maintenance.  
It seemed like they had the pool service truck there on a weekly 
basis.  Plus 2 days in fall to prep it for winter.


https://www.coldwellbankerhomes.com/il/glen-ellyn/632-north-main-st/pid_30963397/

(that’s my much more modest house visible at the right of the photo)

Maybe a pool table instead of a pool?

Of course, come to think of it, a customer recently bought a big house 
where the only thing the previous owner left behind was the pool 
table.  I guess those things are a bitch to move.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2020 7:36 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

A customer of mine had a retracting glass roof over the pool area, 
that was pretty nice. The salt water pools are lower maintenance and 
healthier from what my friends that have them have told me.


On Monday, January 20, 2020, > wrote:


I have a friend that put it inside.

Another friend did a salt water pool due to supposedly low
maintenance.  Not sure about that technology.

H.

I have an elevation and a patio area that is conducive to being an
outdoor extension of a pool deck.

*From:*Lewis Bergman

*Sent:*Monday, January 20, 2020 6:26 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

Definitely. Put it inside

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 6:22 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Put a roof on it and keep your home theater and gym in there.

When we had one, it was used more for friends and family than
we did for ourselves. We don't have one here, and I'm fine
with that.

bp



On 1/20/2020 5:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

Considering adding a pool to my home.

Worth it?

Desert Utah.

Lots of blowing dust year around.

Only 3-4 months of weather suitable for use.

Would I use it much?

I don’t use my home theater much.

I don’t use my home gym much.

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Re: [AFMUG] The Future

[dave via AF]

Actually seen that done LOL!


On 1/20/20 12:43 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Seth,

That's  the  equivalent  of  putting  a Linksys router in a Tupperware
container and calling yourself a WISP.

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Monday, January 20, 2020, 1:27:45 PM, you wrote:

SM> On 1/20/20 12:37 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

I purchased an ISP that came with an outdoor fiber network.  That
outdoor network was MM with repeaters ever few blocks, because well MM.


SM> Multimode outdoor? Why would anyone do that?

SM> SMF fiber from the 90's is still as capable as new SMF fiber today.




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Re: [AFMUG] CPI training & exam

[dave via AF]

I also did mine through commscope as well and yes a it take a bit to get 
thru it but its not a rush thing and the online testing is monitored 
very well.



On 1/21/20 5:39 PM, David Coudron wrote:


I did it online through Commscope.   It goes pretty fast.   Online 
sessions and test are a big afternoon to a full day.   Keep in mind 
that it is a permanent relationship between who you get certified 
through and yourself as a certified individual.  Not a one time class 
and you are done with them.   You will have an ongoing relationship to 
keep your CPI credentials.   It isn’t too big a deal, but some folks 
might want to work with a company to get CPI certified that they 
already have a relationship with since their ID is tied to the 
training company that certifies them.


My advice would be to do it online when you can and not waste time at 
WISPAmerica on it.   No reason to wait for WISPAmerica from what I can 
tell.   Steve did the same I think.   Steve any thoughts on that?


Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2020 5:27 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] CPI training & exam

Has anyone here taken the CPI training, either online or in person?  
Any recommendation which is best?  I’m thinking online would be more 
self-paced, but WISPA is offering in person at WISPAmerica.  However 
that likely means staying an extra day.


Also what format does the exam take?  Is it in person if you take the 
course in person?  Online at a later date?  Retake if you fail?  Does 
anyone fail?





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Re: [AFMUG] FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105

[dave via AF]

I guess it would make sense for those who are wanting to have something 
inside the metro areas or places with dense population otherwise yes 
this is a great opportunity for those who are in the rural areas.

I have both so I am wanting at least 1 pal to secure our future here.
I dont have too much anticipation that the telcos will light up much 
here but we want to be prepared.
We also missed the deadline on locking in our existing APs at the time 
of april 2015 so its somewhat crucial we have something to lean on.



On 1/26/20 7:29 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
10 years of idle time without getting a return on your investment, 
while the GAA user use the spectrum for free.   Not a winning 
investment, though there is a lot of stupid money out there.


Mark

On Jan 25, 2020, at 9:30 PM, Steve Jones > wrote:


So 10 years of idle time means you cannot renew. It's definitely an 
investors game


On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 12:02 PM Mark Radabaugh > wrote:


In the interest of getting the ACTUAL rules into this discussion
instead of just speculation, this is what the FCC rules are on
term and renewal requirements:

(3) /License term:/  Each PAL has a ten-year license term. 
Licensees must file a renewal application in accordance with the
provisions of Section 1.949.

(4) /Performance requirement:/  Priority Access Licensees must
provide substantial service in their license area by the end of
the initial license term.  “Substantial” service is defined as
service which is sound, favorable, and substantially above the
level of mediocre service which might minimally warrant renewal. 
Failure by any licensee to meet this requirement will result in
forfeiture of the license without further Commission action, and
the licensee will be ineligible to regain it. Licensees shall
demonstrate compliance with the performance requirement by filing
a construction notification with the Commission in accordance
with the provisions set forth in § 1.946(d) of this chapter.  The
licensee must certify whether it has met the performance
requirement, and file supporting documentation, including
description and demonstration of the bona fide service provided,
electronic maps accurately depicting the boundaries of the
license area and where in the license area the licensee provides
service that meets the performance requirement, supporting
technical documentation, any population-related assumptions or
data used in determining the population covered by a service to
the extent any were relied upon, and any other information the
Wireless Telecommunications Bureau may prescribe by public
notice.  A licensee’s showing of substantial service may not rely
on service coverage outside of the PAL Protection Areas of
registered CBSDs or on deployments that are not reflected in SAS
records of CBSD registrations.

(i) /Safe harbor for mobile or point-to-multipoint service./  A
Priority Access Licensee providing a mobile service or
point-to-multipoint service may demonstrate substantial service
by showing that it provides signal coverage and offers service,
either to customers or for internal use, over at least 50 percent
of the population in the license area.

(ii) /Safe harbor for fixed point-to-point service/. A Priority
Access Licensee providing a fixed point-to-point service may
demonstrate substantial service by showing that it has
constructed and operates at least four links, either to customers
or for internal use, in license areas with 134,000 population or
less and in license areas with greater population, a minimum
number of links equal to the population of the license area
divided by 33,500 and rounded up to the nearest whole number.  To
satisfy this provision, such links must operate using registered
Category B CBSDs.



Mark Radabaugh
WISPA Policy Committee Chair
419-261-5996

Mark



On Jan 24, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 1/24/20 3:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

You have to actually have gear up, it's not like n license
where you just register. It's got to be live and transmitting,
and it's verified every 4 minutes



Right, someone gets the PALs, does nothing so it's usable as
GAA, then at some point later start transmitting in the PAL to
kick the GAA users somewhere else possibly more congested.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

[dave via AF]

We only use Superior Essex Cat5e and now Cat6

https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Burial-Category-5e/SE-04-601-55

The link is just for the image not specific to vendor choice.


On 1/28/20 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

We use the Shireen stuff.  I'd rate the dry gel tape as good not great.
It's certainly better than the Belden we used to use, which has a cellophane
like wrap that seems to guide the water all the way to the RJ45 at the
bottom.

The tape gets soggy, it doesn't turn into water blocking gel like in a gel
filled cable.  I'm not sure how I feel about some soggy tape inside the
cable 100 feet up, but I don't think I've experienced drops of water coming
out the bottom of any of the Shireen cable.  You absolutely do want to tape
or otherwise weatherproof the ends of any spare cables though, or they will
absorb water and you'll have to cut off several feet if you ever want to
terminate and use them.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 4:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

Has anyone used shielded cat5 up tower with water blocking dry tape?
Does it work very well in case of water intrusion?

Once in rare while we will get a run with water in it.  I always think when
it happens someone did something wrong on install but a real pain when it
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

[dave via AF]

Still working on migration so I will know soon..
 I just wanted to re validate each site we onboard before doing so 
because I dont want to have to go back for incorrect information.
We have had an NN license since 2010 and since the first cambium pmp450 
3.65 we have been on board for this but we have added at least 23 sites

with these since then to included the newest medusa line.
I will know something by next week when I press the button on our first 
site for sure lol :)



On 1/30/20 10:25 AM, David Coudron wrote:


Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have 
Cambium PMP 450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding 
that Cambium is the only SAS option we have due to the need to have 
cnMaestro be the Domain Proxy for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up 
and working?   We have been requesting access to the CBRS options in 
cnMaestro for two weeks but are not making much progress.   With full 
commercial availability, we are a little surprised that this isn’t 
available.   Are there other options for connecting to a SAS other 
than using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?   Seems they might not be 
ready for this, or are not heavily committed to it.


Regards,

David Coudron




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Re: [AFMUG] End users contacting Provider consultants

[dave via AF]

LOL +1


On 2/20/20 7:32 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Priceless.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 12:27 AM Timothy Steele 
mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:


So I just had an odd experience


an end-user contacted me via my website wispconsult.com


she used my site chat to leave her phone number said she had a
network issue and to call her

I called back within 15min and left a voice mail I also sent her
an email

she then sends me an email 10 minutes later yelling saying my site
says 24hrs her internet is down and I have not replied in 2 days

Then Asked her to contact her provider


So if any of you have a Karen with the first half of her email
address being *finkeland Than her service is down*
* (her phone number puts her in the new york area)*
*
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*also sorry you have a Karen that lives up to her name*





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Why isn't the internet Free?

[dave via AF]

I have the best support folks up front
If cust doesnt want to upgrade then its explained that thier problem 
wont go away by buying a bigger tv or router
The answer is more bandwidth sorry if our pricing is too much for you 
then maybe another provider can help you.

I cant stand stupid LOL


On 4/28/21 9:33 AM, Craig House wrote:

Tell them to return the new 4k TV and use the money to upgrade plans.

- Original Message -
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:22:57 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Why isn't the internet Free?

Every now and then you get a customer that just grinds your gears.
Customer has multiple streaming services, including Youtube TV, so they
have to be paying over $100/month for their OTT packages, but they
REFUSE to spend more than $35/month for our lowest grandfathered base
package, and continually complain about picture quality and buffering.
We've offered our higher packages, but 'I can't afford that'  So we've
told them multiple times that they're not happy with us and they need to
switch to Comcast, but 'Comcast is too expensive'  and 'I'm just a poor
teacher'  Then they had the audacity to tell us 'I even went and bought
a new 4k Samsung smart TV thinking that would fix everything, but it's
all still grainy and still buffering!'  Well, yes, it's maxing out your
plan speed.  No matter how expensive of a TV you get it'll still have
that problem. I'm not sure what the problem is with upgrading their
package since apparently they can spend money on everything else.

Not really looking for any answers, just need someone to gripe to since
I'm sitting here by myself this morning.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy today

[dave via AF]

I have soldiers with same attitude. Tried everything to put him on the 
right path. Sometimes  you cant fix stupid.
He stayed in for his 4 years and never got passed E3. Transferred to 3 
diff units over the course.



On 4/22/21 5:49 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
He had worked for about 3 months.  Learned his job quickly.  High 
performer.  But he started acting like a boss, chewing coworkers ass 
etc.  Damaged a vehicle and acted like it was no big deal.  Got a 
write up.  Started having absentee issues.
Today his supervisor tried to administer some corrective action.  They 
guy said two things:  “every one of these guys is a total idiot” and 
when asked what things he could do to improve: “nothing, can’t think 
of a single thing”.  Copped an attitude for about the 5th time.  So 
the supervisor said he was done, someone would give him a ride at the 
end of the shift.  He started throwing around the his lawyer was going 
to contacting us.  He was going to sue the company, sue the supervisor 
etc.
Then he came back to the supervisor and told him it was a racial 
issue.  I have no clue what race this guy is.  Hair and beard is 
black.  If I had to guess, he was Italian. Most of my crew has some 
shade of brown.  I actually prefer that.
He was one of those guys that worked an average of 9 months at the 
last 5 jobs he worked.
Dang, he could have been one of the good ones.  Toxic employee 
though.  I value the lack of drama more than almost anything else.




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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[dave via AF]

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us 
is that they don’t approve of our “products”. AKA internet service and 
that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant 
percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest 
overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
need any management of my network just simple recurring billing.




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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[dave via AF]

If my mind is still as sharp as it is today when im 67 I will take my 
time in retirement after visiting the oceans and mountains in our nation 
and write a complete open source product for ease of use.



On 5/6/21 4:30 PM, dave via AF wrote:

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell 
us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet 
service and that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant 
percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest 
overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
need any management of my network just simple recurring billing.







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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[dave via AF]

OMG.. is this my future in in 10 years


On 5/7/21 8:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Does razor sharp wit count?

On 5/7/2021 9:42 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I haven't shaved for 45 years. Don't even own a razor.

bp

On 5/6/2021 9:18 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


When you're 67 your pencil-lead will be broken and your razor won't 
shave


On 5/6/21 2:36 PM, dave via AF wrote:
If my mind is still as sharp as it is today when im 67 I will take 
my time in retirement after visiting the oceans and mountains in 
our nation and write a complete open source product for ease of use.



On 5/6/21 4:30 PM, dave via AF wrote:

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will 
tell us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA 
internet service and that they are happy for us to be a QB 
customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with 
cards.  Anything free out there that makes their money from the 
merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just 
the lowest overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I 
don’t need any management of my network just simple recurring 
billing.
















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Re: [AFMUG] Netflow tools

[Dave via AF]

Best I have found and includes other useful features such as QOE/QOS

Preseem.com


On 5/8/2021 10:15 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I'm looking to get a picture of what kind of traffic our network is 
using.  Streaming/downloads/gaming, Etc.  I'm already using Netflow to 
send data to Sonar, but all it does is use that for transfer stats for 
the customer IP's.  It's been several years since I looked at on site 
Netflow tools.


Any recommendations for collectors/analyzers.

Solar winds shows up in the top of all the searches, but I'm sure 
their pricing will match all that advertizing.  I just want to run 
something for a couple weeks and see what our most popular sources of 
traffic are.




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Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

[dave via AF]

What do we do as an ISP? Do we enroll the customer or do they enroll 
them selves and we submit their acceptance?



On 5/17/21 7:14 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

We have one that we were able to fully qualify and enroll last week.

Of the 5 that applied over the weekend 3 say “Application_Not_Found”, one is 
“Application Pending” and one has multiple fails for 
“Application_not_complete”, “Invalid_Address”, and “State_Fed_Fail”.

Just starting to dig into what all this means though.

Mark


On May 16, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:

Has  anyone  had  any  luck  enrolling  customers  in  EBB?   I have 3
customers  that  I'm  trying  to enroll.  Al 3 say the went though the
process.  One of them sent me a screen shot saying they were accepted.
Every time I try to enroll them I get

"The  subscriber  has not qualified through the National Verifier yet
or their application has expired. You can qualify them now at 
getemergencybroadband.org"

The  odds  of  all  3 screwing up are low.  Just wondering if there is
something I'm missing.


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Re: [AFMUG] SIP External Ringer

[dave via AF]

+1
the ALGO product is the way to go .. We installed one for a minerals plant.
It has a place for external speaker and a strobe light.


On 5/21/21 1:36 PM, Daniel White wrote:
With the right parts and pieces, sure.  Sometimes it can be a bit of 
fun to get everything to work just right if you are doing applications 
like paging.


CyberData and Algo are the two companies known for SIP enabled stuff.  
An Algo 8180 would probably work great for this but yes it is ~$300.  
It does have a lot of extra features you may or may not use that can 
justify the cost.


photograph  
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Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Nate Burke 
May 21, 2021 at 11:40
I have a request to get a 'Ringer they can hear in the warehouse' 
When a call comes into a ring group.


It looks like SIP ringers start around $300.  Can't I just put in a 
$30 ATA and a $30 analog ringer and get the same result?  I'm 
guessing an externally powered ringer would be the best, any 
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[AFMUG] fortinet switches OMG!

[dave via AF]

Has anyone ran into issues with fortinet not able to make fortinet link 
establish over epmp bridge link?

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Re: [AFMUG] Sterilizing a raccoon latrine

[dave via AF]

I think a Flame thrower will work for this..


On 6/11/21 4:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We have a new site that had been abandoned for some time, there is a 
massive racoon latrine in the work area. Apparently theres a bad worm 
in them we can get, not to mention the fungal infection risk. We are 
going to be clearing it out, but need to sterilize as we go. And 
minimize airborne particulate even though we will have respirators. Is 
there a good fungicide, sterilant for this? I plan on pump spraying 
bleach on clean up day to murder as much nasty as we can and keep the 
dust down but didnt know if theres a better option. We arent talking a 
couple turds, this is mounds upon mounds of it mixed with bird poop. 
It will probably be hundreds of pounds of nasty




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Re: [AFMUG] fortinet switches OMG!

[dave via AF]

No phy links ok just not able to pass vlans


On 6/11/21 4:42 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We use them, not sure theres any directly attached over epmp. Are they 
not making ethernet links to the radio, or is it layer 2 issue?
Verify negotiation on the ethernet link isnt flummoxed. Otherwise epmp 
is a pretty dumb bridge, unless this is two clients on an ap with sm 
isolation enabled, or there is a second connection between the 
switches causing a loop


On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 2:41 PM dave via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


Has anyone ran into issues with fortinet not able to make fortinet
link establish over epmp bridge link?
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Re: [AFMUG] fortinet switches OMG!

[dave via AF]

I am sure they do.. They are not my switches
They want to make every excuse not use wireless gear.


On 6/14/21 12:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

ahh, do you have ports set up as trunks for those VLANs?

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 11:40 AM dave via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


No phy links ok just not able to pass vlans


On 6/11/21 4:42 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

We use them, not sure theres any directly attached over epmp. Are
they not making ethernet links to the radio, or is it layer 2 issue?
Verify negotiation on the ethernet link isnt flummoxed. Otherwise
epmp is a pretty dumb bridge, unless this is two clients on an ap
with sm isolation enabled, or there is a second connection
between the switches causing a loop

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 2:41 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Has anyone ran into issues with fortinet not able to make
fortinet link establish over epmp bridge link?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Brass

[dave via AF]

Yes or argue u should wear a mask or not and take a bullet for your cause:)


On 6/14/21 3:57 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


There was an interesting opinion in Slate today about vaccines. You 
can get Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, or the actual virus. All will 
technically "vaccinate" you.


As for safety, around 300 million people have gotten the first 3, and 
there have been handful of deaths associated with the J&J (like around 
3 in a million). The last one has killed around 600,000 of the 
estimated 34,000,000 we think have gotten it (like 17,000 per million).


So the question is not about whether you will get vaccinated. Everyone 
will get vaccinated one way or the other.



bp

On 6/14/2021 1:28 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


People could have made a rational argument about mandatory vaccines 
without handing the microphone to any nutcases.


..they'd may lose that argument because the supreme has already 
ruled twice on mandatory vaccines, but they could absolutely make a 
coherent and non-crazy argument.



On 6/14/2021 4:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Gheeze, I did not realize a brass key could be attracted by a magnet.







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Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

[dave via AF]

Ive used the cisco ones and the cambium router cant tell any difference


On 6/16/21 8:17 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


For you guys doing a lot of VoIP, what Internet based faxed service 
are you having good success with, cost effectively?


Being able to reach someone and easily port numbers is important 
obviously.


Paul

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*




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Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

[dave via AF]

efax it... LOL


On 6/16/21 3:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
That's not an option for customers that still do faxing.  They're 
still faxing for a reason, whatever that may be...


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:33 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


Sometimes the best solution is to pivot.  We fax so little, it
just seems like a problem in search of a solution. What we started
doing with the small number of people we need to exchange
documents with is to just set up a secure drop box. If they want
to print it, fine.


bp


On 6/16/2021 6:17 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


For you guys doing a lot of VoIP, what Internet based faxed
service are you having good success with, cost effectively?

Being able to reach someone and easily port numbers is important
obviously.

Paul

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

[dave via AF]

To trouble shoot it..ASk "Is it Running?"
if answer is "yes" then say you better catch it :)


On 6/23/21 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Your TV isn't connecting.  Please contact your ISP.

Your phone isn't turning on.  Please contact your ISP.

Your refrigerator isn't connected to the Samsung Delivery System.  
Please contact your ISP.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Because it's easier to get on the phone than it is to walk ALL THE
WAY
to the equipment room.


bp


On 6/22/2021 9:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> 2 cases this morning, Business customers calling that they have no
> internet.  On both of them, it was a failed UPS Unit, and multiple
> pieces of gear are down in their racks (severs/switches,etc) 
How can
> you not notice that all of the blinking lights that are usually
> blinking are not blinking?  I'm guessing it's also much quieter
than
> normal.  And how is the first thought that 'I'm going to call
the ISP
> because the internet isn't working' before even checking anything.
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Re: [AFMUG] Is the Internet Working?

[Dave via AF]

MY fave is

Tech: Check your internet to see if your up

Cust: Walks in and grabs roku remote and turns on "Yep its working"

When did internet become the goto for everything?


On 7/17/2021 2:58 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

New one today.  On the phone with a customer.

Tech: 'Is the internet working for you right now?'

Customer: 'Hang on, let me check   ALEXA, WHAT IS THE TEMPERATURE'

Alexa: 'The temperature is 78 degrees'

Customer: 'Internet is all working great! Thank you!'




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Re: [AFMUG] list traffic

[dave via AF]

I have had trouble cat5e over time where the cable speeds fade 
especially over longer distance but currently Cat6 does seem to be 
holding its own.

If the radio has a sfp port we use it.


On 7/26/21 8:57 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
That's absolutely not true.  All of our gig links are cat5e.  Cat6 may 
or may not help, but it absolutely is not a requirement.


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On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 6:25 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


$$$
Lol...
My post was about someone suggesting that Cambium Force 300 only
gets 1gbps on LAN port when you use Cat6 cabling...
I don't this that is true...

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 3:58 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Wait a minute.  You got kick back for sending an email?  How
do we all get in on that?

On a serious note though, the last email I saw before this
afternoon was one from Bill at 11:19am (Central) on Monday
commenting on Chuck’s shrimp deprivation.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2021 4:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] list traffic

I sent one two days ago and it was kicked back

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 2:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

The server dashboard looks normal but I have not received
anything since Sunday.  Perhaps something is scraping off
at my end.

If anyone sees this in the next few hours of 7/21/21 9:59
mountain daylight time, please reply directly to me:
ch...@go-mtc.com 

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Re: [AFMUG] Pipe

[dave via AF]

Have you tried an Electrical supply warehouse. I was amazed at some of 
the pipe for mounting and conduit they have.



On 1/22/19 10:31 AM, Matt wrote:

Has anyone found a local source for pipe with OD of around 3.5 inches
heavy enough for mounting larger dishes, etc?  Anything at big chains
to save shipping?


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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[dave via AF]

Paul,
 Have a look at the E700/E500 outdoor APs by Cambium networks.
I have done 2 large campus projects and now doing our first Campground. 
Easy to mesh and configure and performance hits the nail.




On 8/21/19 5:44 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect about 6 
APs back to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is a thing.  
Meaning the guy with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need 
to switch APs automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 
2.4 APs at each spot, backhauled it to the main tower, and the 
customer had to pick the best AP.


I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[dave via AF]

I like cnmaestro for these deployments because once you work out any 
provisioning issues you can hand over the keys to the project or offer a 
MSP contract to help with management or program changes they need.



On 8/22/19 8:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I wonder what the Xirrus acquisition will mean.  Is the focus on the 
development team, cloud management, or the WiFi hardware?


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:06 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

Paul,
 Have a look at the E700/E500 outdoor APs by Cambium networks.
I have done 2 large campus projects and now doing our first 
Campground. Easy to mesh and configure and performance hits the nail.


On 8/21/19 5:44 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect
about 6 APs back to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is
a thing.  Meaning the guy with a tablet is going to wander the
grounds and need to switch APs automagically.  In the past, we
have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, backhauled it to
the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*






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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes Fines Against WISPs and Issues Warning to Industry

[dave via AF]

It means dont be THAT guy :)


On 8/22/19 3:44 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-proposes-fines-against-wisps-and-issues-warning-industry-0 






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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes Fines Against WISPs and Issues Warning to Industry

[dave via AF]

What is the vert/horiz degree on those antennas or is it just one big 
rotating parabolic dish ?
I imagine they would have hundreds of slim sectors of about 1deg each 
inside a giant ball or dome.



On 8/23/19 8:39 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sadly we have seen this several times before.  Weather radar is extremely 
sensitive.  They use 60 dB antennas and scan in all directions.  If you are 
within 100 miles of them and using their 5.4 channels it is almost ceartain you 
will be caught.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 23, 2019, at 6:49 AM, dave via AF  wrote:

It means dont be THAT guy :)



On 8/22/19 3:44 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-proposes-fines-against-wisps-and-issues-warning-industry-0



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Re: [AFMUG] FSK Stability

[dave via AF]

Decompd our last one 3 months ago



On 8/27/19 2:57 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Getting ready to decom some old FSK aps.  Almost makes me sad to 
unplug it.








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Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz Noise

[dave via AF]

My beef with utilities is insted of using unlicensed spectrum use a band 
that make sense for this like 220Mhz which is widely available in most 
rural areas. One license would take care of our county and it would be 
your channel completely free of pissed off wisp and baby monitors lol.
I almost consider utilities public safety which has free rain of all 
sorts of licensed spectrum that would cover their needs.


I am even thinking the cambium long reach product would fit the bill in 
most case for Water utilities.



On 8/27/19 12:32 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
+1 Same experience here. Occasionally they will run software updates 
that broadcasts out to about 200 kbps to each meter. It will bring 
your 900 AP's to a crawl. We've coordinated the schedule of meter 
updates with the power company to perform between 2-4am. Thankfully 
they only run updates once or twice a year. Aside from that, it's 
hardly noticeable.


On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:53 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


Yes actually,

The power company around here just installed 900 MHz smart meters
and what we saw was during the first few weeks when they turned it
on and they were doing software updates there were some
significant modulation issues, although data did still pass.

After the software updates were done we are not seeing any impact
from just a random data polling.

We had communications with the power company to confirm all of this.

On Aug 27, 2019, at 12:43 PM, Ben Royer mailto:operati...@royell.net>> wrote:


Does anyone have any quick and dirty sets of documents discussing
experiences they’ve had with 900mhz smart meters, noise
associated, and any other data points?
Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net 
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Re: [AFMUG] Using Surge Suppressors at CPE? Who does it?

[dave via AF]

The Bottom line is if its too difficult to ground an SS outdoors at the 
bare minimal place an inline protector at the router.
We do all of the above where it makes sense to otherwise inline is where 
its at.

They have saved us tons of routers from being blown.


On 8/29/19 1:43 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
We install a one at the entry on every 450 install.  End up grounding 
to a hose bib or conduit into the ground at the back of the house half 
the time.  Service grounds in the city are generally long gone/built 
over and impossible to find.



On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:06 PM Sam Lambie > wrote:


I am wondering how many of you install either a Cambium SS,
McCowntech SS or Ubiquiti SS at a customers house.
We have been doing it since day one by placing inside at the
antenna cable ingress location. Makes for a great coupler to
change the cable from outdoor to indoor as well.
Since Cambiums SS's have gotten stupidly pricey, we have switched
to Ubiquiti, but they suck to mount cleanly and quickly. And to be
honest, Mccowntech are expensive as well.
My question is this, who thinks it's worth it to do every home all
the time?

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Re: [AFMUG] No escape!!

[dave via AF]

My tech put that on one of our towers yesterday LOL!


On 8/30/19 9:32 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That is awesome!

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 7:15 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


That is literally the funniest graffiti I've ever seen.

On 8/29/2019 9:27 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Lol



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Re: [AFMUG] OT saw a wreck yesterday

[dave via AF]

+100%


On 8/30/19 11:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I developed the habit when I was first learning to fly when I was 17 
years old.

I feel naked if I don’t click that seat belt.
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2019 10:51 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT saw a wreck yesterday

Wow.

My kids get on my case if I’m not wearing mine, so we’re good here, 
but man that is scary.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2019 9:58 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT saw a wreck yesterday

Supervising the use of a large Vermeer Rock Wheel yesterday, heard a 
noise from the street, looked over and saw a minivan airborne.  
Rotating in all possible axes (axes is the proper plural of axis, I 
actually looked it up).    Watching for people to come flying out of 
the vehicle, I was dialing 911 while trying to cross a very busy 
street.  Van came to a rest on its side.  A man and his daughter came 
climbing out the back window.


Superficial scratches.  Shaken up, but largely unharmed.  They had 
mounted the curb and hit a fire hydrant.  The hydrant came to rest 
half way from where it was originally and where the car came to rest.


Quite a scene normally seen in movies.  End over end, spinning and 
rolling.  It must have been 6’ off the ground when I first saw it.


I feared the worst.  For a time I was an EMT when I was young.  Glad 
to have had the training, did not like being an EMT.


I would say seat belts saved them from certain critical injury and 
most likely death.


Hope everyone always wears their seat belts.

My wife is still with me due to wearing hers.


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Re: [AFMUG] You want your WiFi to work?

[dave via AF]

U...
 Turn off all of the cisco for half a day..
Or add 30 cambium aps :)


On 9/3/19 9:37 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
30 Cisco Access Points in a warehouse where 6 would cover it nicely.  
The white graph line is my Cambium HotSpot I used for tests during 
site survey...their bar code scanners are having issues...




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Re: [AFMUG] You want your WiFi to work?

[dave via AF]

Why not both :)


On 9/4/19 2:06 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:

30 AP's or SSID's?

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 9:38 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


30 Cisco Access Points in a warehouse where 6 would cover it
nicely.  The white graph line is my Cambium HotSpot I used for
tests during site survey...their bar code scanners are having
issues...
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Re: [AFMUG] Using Radius on Cambium with LDAP credentials.

[dave via AF]

Head... Exploding!!!


On 8/30/19 3:52 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Has anyone been able to make Cambium EAP-MD5 play well with LDAP?

Sam

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Re: [AFMUG] Using Radius on Cambium with LDAP credentials.

[dave via AF]

Link up with me at Wispapalooza and Ill give you a few tips.


On 8/30/19 3:52 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Has anyone been able to make Cambium EAP-MD5 play well with LDAP?

Sam

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Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

[dave via AF]

Are we doing this again LOL

I do all cambium so it was easy for us including using CNmaestro for 
total MSP access.
I have a shop here locally that we hand over the MSP keys for each site 
and they get residual for each one.

Too easy and got a Tshirt for it :)


On 9/5/19 1:36 PM, Clint Wiley wrote:


Hi all,

For those of you offering ‘whole house’ wifi services, what are you 
deploying? We know that the one sore point for our users is wifi 
coverage. Our ONT vendor (zhone) has been promising a solution for 
almost a year now but it still isn’t ready and, quite frankly, lacks 
the end user management features others might have. We’d like remote 
management so we can assist in setting SSID’s and changing passwords, et.


Thanks,

Clint




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