Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Not new, and I haven't used them, but there's this:

https://mikrotik.com/product/gper

 

Could you use powerline networking?  I've used these:

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09
L85MFNY

but you could probably use something like this since you don't need WiFi:

https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZ
MYNM

This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from the
same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.

 

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Subject: [AFMUG] Extending home network

 

Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.  

Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.  

 

Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread Chuck 
It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:
> https://mikrotik.com/product/gper
>  
> Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:
> https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY
> but you could probably use something like this since you don’t need WiFi:
> https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM
> This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from the 
> same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>  
> Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network. 
> Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away. 
>  
> Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?
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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread chuck 
365 feet from my garage.  Needs to be wireless.  Connecting to the web browser 
in an RMS200 telemetry board.  10 mbps would probably work.  Prefer 100.  Like 
to have an all in one radio/antenna.  POE.  Pair of Nanostations would probably 
do the job.  

Not sure if there is something better out there.  Of course like to keep it 
under $10K...

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown 
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

  Power?  LOS?  So many devils in the details...  Desired B/W?   Budget?..   
Come on Chuck, cough up some more info!  


On 10/14/24 5:59 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

  I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.  Been a while since I 
deployed anything like this.  

  Best Regards,
  Chuck McCown 
  McCown Technology Corporation
  8401 N Commerce Drive
  Lake Point, Utah 84074

  801-250-9503 Office
  435-830-4306 Cell

  www mccowntech.com
  www.microtrench.pro
  www.terabitnetworks.com

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

  There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot

  On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:

It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.

Sent from my iPhone


  On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


   
  Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:

  https://mikrotik.com/product/gper



  Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:

  
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY

  but you could probably use something like this since you don’t need WiFi:

  
https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM

  This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from the 
same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.



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  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Extending home network



  Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.  

  Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.  



  Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?



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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Well, you could use these:

https://store.ui.com/us/en/products/loco5ac

I would not use first gen or M series Nanostations, too many problems (lockups, 
tape over LEDs degrading from UV and letting in rain, etc.)  Even the AC series 
which are much improved have some quirks, sometimes they get flaky if you run 
them at the low end of U-NII-1 like 5180 MHz.

We have switched to using ePMP Force 300-16 for short links between buildings, 
but partly for the cnMaestro cloud management if they are hidden behind a 
customer managed router.  They are like 3 times the cost of a NS5AC Loco, but 
when comparing keep in mind the ePMP radio includes a POE, the Nanostation does 
not.  The Loco is much smaller, like a bar of soap, than the F300-16 which is 
like an oversized rearview mirror.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 9:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

 

365 feet from my garage.  Needs to be wireless.  Connecting to the web browser 
in an RMS200 telemetry board.  10 mbps would probably work.  Prefer 100.  Like 
to have an all in one radio/antenna.  POE.  Pair of Nanostations would probably 
do the job.  

 

Not sure if there is something better out there.  Of course like to keep it 
under $10K...

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown 
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro  
www.terabitnetworks.com  

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:43 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

 

  Power?  LOS?  So many devils in the details...  Desired B/W?   Budget?..   
Come on Chuck, cough up some more info!  

On 10/14/24 5:59 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com   wrote:

I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.  Been a while since I 
deployed anything like this.  

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown 
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro  
www.terabitnetworks.com  

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

 

There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot

 

On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
> wrote:

It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

 

Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:

https://mikrotik.com/product/gper

 

Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY

but you could probably use something like this since you don’t need WiFi:

https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM

This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from the same 
electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.

 

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Of ch...@go-mtc.com  
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Extending home network

 

Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.  

Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.  

 

Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?

 

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[AFMUG] Starlink says gigabit speeds coming

2024-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof 
https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/1845609488570810874

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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread chuck 
Much better if that is the price for a pair of them.  

www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 8:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

For the complete pair..   That's it, nada more...   It's simple enough that I 
give the links to customers that have a bit of a clue...


On 10/14/24 7:47 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

  $260 each?



  From: Robert 
  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 8:44 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

  It's overkill for speed, but it's the simplest setup and never worry about 
interference.   You just hang and point at each other and feed into your 
networks.   Preconfigured completely, so there's no config to do.   This is my 
goto for anything less than a mile.   Braindead networking...

  https://multilink.us/mikrotik-wireless-wire-cube-pro-us/


  On 10/14/24 7:09 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

365 feet from my garage.  Needs to be wireless.  Connecting to the web 
browser in an RMS200 telemetry board.  10 mbps would probably work.  Prefer 
100.  Like to have an all in one radio/antenna.  POE.  Pair of Nanostations 
would probably do the job.  

Not sure if there is something better out there.  Of course like to keep it 
under $10K...

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown 
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

  Power?  LOS?  So many devils in the details...  Desired B/W?   Budget?..  
 Come on Chuck, cough up some more info!  


On 10/14/24 5:59 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

  I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.  Been a while 
since I deployed anything like this.  

  Best Regards,
  Chuck McCown 
  McCown Technology Corporation
  8401 N Commerce Drive
  Lake Point, Utah 84074

  801-250-9503 Office
  435-830-4306 Cell

  www mccowntech.com
  www.microtrench.pro
  www.terabitnetworks.com

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

  There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot

  On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:

It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.

Sent from my iPhone


  On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


   
  Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:

  https://mikrotik.com/product/gper



  Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:

  
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY

  but you could probably use something like this since you don’t need 
WiFi:

  
https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM

  This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from 
the same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Extending home network



  Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.  

  Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.  



  Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?



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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread chuck 
I wonder what caused the proliferation of 60 GHz data radios?  Did someone 
invent a chipset or RF module that everyone is using?



From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 8:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

For the complete pair..   That's it, nada more...   It's simple enough that I 
give the links to customers that have a bit of a clue...


On 10/14/24 7:47 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

  $260 each?



  From: Robert 
  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 8:44 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

  It's overkill for speed, but it's the simplest setup and never worry about 
interference.   You just hang and point at each other and feed into your 
networks.   Preconfigured completely, so there's no config to do.   This is my 
goto for anything less than a mile.   Braindead networking...

  https://multilink.us/mikrotik-wireless-wire-cube-pro-us/


  On 10/14/24 7:09 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

365 feet from my garage.  Needs to be wireless.  Connecting to the web 
browser in an RMS200 telemetry board.  10 mbps would probably work.  Prefer 
100.  Like to have an all in one radio/antenna.  POE.  Pair of Nanostations 
would probably do the job.  

Not sure if there is something better out there.  Of course like to keep it 
under $10K...

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown 
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

  Power?  LOS?  So many devils in the details...  Desired B/W?   Budget?..  
 Come on Chuck, cough up some more info!  


On 10/14/24 5:59 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

  I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.  Been a while 
since I deployed anything like this.  

  Best Regards,
  Chuck McCown 
  McCown Technology Corporation
  8401 N Commerce Drive
  Lake Point, Utah 84074

  801-250-9503 Office
  435-830-4306 Cell

  www mccowntech.com
  www.microtrench.pro
  www.terabitnetworks.com

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

  There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot

  On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:

It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.

Sent from my iPhone


  On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


   
  Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:

  https://mikrotik.com/product/gper



  Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:

  
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY

  but you could probably use something like this since you don’t need 
WiFi:

  
https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM

  This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from 
the same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Extending home network



  Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.  

  Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.  



  Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?



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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread Mathew Howard 
Yes... just use a pair of Ubiquiti Loco5ac. It's the cheapest and simplest
thing to use for something like that, and it'll do the job fine.

On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 10:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Well, you could use these:
>
> https://store.ui.com/us/en/products/loco5ac
>
> I would not use first gen or M series Nanostations, too many problems
> (lockups, tape over LEDs degrading from UV and letting in rain, etc.)  Even
> the AC series which are much improved have some quirks, sometimes they get
> flaky if you run them at the low end of U-NII-1 like 5180 MHz.
>
> We have switched to using ePMP Force 300-16 for short links between
> buildings, but partly for the cnMaestro cloud management if they are hidden
> behind a customer managed router.  They are like 3 times the cost of a
> NS5AC Loco, but when comparing keep in mind the ePMP radio includes a POE,
> the Nanostation does not.  The Loco is much smaller, like a bar of soap,
> than the F300-16 which is like an oversized rearview mirror.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 9:09 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
>
>
> 365 feet from my garage.  Needs to be wireless.  Connecting to the web
> browser in an RMS200 telemetry board.  10 mbps would probably work.  Prefer
> 100.  Like to have an all in one radio/antenna.  POE.  Pair of Nanostations
> would probably do the job.
>
>
>
> Not sure if there is something better out there.  Of course like to keep
> it under $10K...
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Drive
> 
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 
>
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
>
> www mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 7:43 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
>
>
>   Power?  LOS?  So many devils in the details...  Desired B/W?
> Budget?..   Come on Chuck, cough up some more info!
>
> On 10/14/24 5:59 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>
> I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.  Been a while since
> I deployed anything like this.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Drive
> 
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 
>
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
>
> www mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
>
>
> There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:
>
> It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:
>
> https://mikrotik.com/product/gper
>
>
>
> Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY
>
> but you could probably use something like this since you don’t need WiFi:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM
>
> This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from the
> same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
>
>
> Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.
>
> Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.
>
>
>
> Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread Mathew Howard 
Cheap 802.11ad, and later 802.11ay chipsets being mass produced.

Facebook poured a ton of money into Terragraph/802.11ay at one point, which
never really worked very well as it was intended to be used, but the
chipsets were adapted to better products.

On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 10:15 PM  wrote:

> I wonder what caused the proliferation of 60 GHz data radios?  Did someone
> invent a chipset or RF module that everyone is using?
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 8:54 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
> For the complete pair..   That's it, nada more...   It's simple enough
> that I give the links to customers that have a bit of a clue...
>
> On 10/14/24 7:47 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>
> $260 each?
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 8:44 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
> It's overkill for speed, but it's the simplest setup and never worry about
> interference.   You just hang and point at each other and feed into your
> networks.   Preconfigured completely, so there's no config to do.   This is
> my goto for anything less than a mile.   Braindead networking...
>
> https://multilink.us/mikrotik-wireless-wire-cube-pro-us/
>
> On 10/14/24 7:09 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>
> 365 feet from my garage.  Needs to be wireless.  Connecting to the web
> browser in an RMS200 telemetry board.  10 mbps would probably work.  Prefer
> 100.  Like to have an all in one radio/antenna.  POE.  Pair of Nanostations
> would probably do the job.
>
> Not sure if there is something better out there.  Of course like to keep
> it under $10K...
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Drive
> 
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 
>
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
>
> www mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 7:43 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
>   Power?  LOS?  So many devils in the details...  Desired B/W?
> Budget?..   Come on Chuck, cough up some more info!
>
> On 10/14/24 5:59 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>
> I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.  Been a while since
> I deployed anything like this.
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Drive
> 
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 
>
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
>
> www mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
> There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:
>
>> It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:
>>
>> https://mikrotik.com/product/gper
>>
>>
>>
>> Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY
>>
>> but you could probably use something like this since you don’t need WiFi:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM
>>
>> This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from the
>> same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Extending home network
>>
>>
>>
>> Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.
>>
>> Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?
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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread Robert 
It's overkill for speed, but it's the simplest setup and never worry 
about interference.   You just hang and point at each other and feed 
into your networks.   Preconfigured completely, so there's no config to 
do.   This is my goto for anything less than a mile.   Braindead 
networking...


https://multilink.us/mikrotik-wireless-wire-cube-pro-us/

On 10/14/24 7:09 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
365 feet from my garage.  Needs to be wireless. Connecting to the web 
browser in an RMS200 telemetry board. 10 mbps would probably work.  
Prefer 100.  Like to have an all in one radio/antenna.  POE.  Pair of 
Nanostations would probably do the job.
Not sure if there is something better out there.  Of course like to 
keep it under $10K...

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 7:43 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
  Power?  LOS?  So many devils in the details...  Desired B/W?   
Budget?..   Come on Chuck, cough up some more info!


On 10/14/24 5:59 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.  Been a while 
since I deployed anything like this.

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com
*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot
On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:

It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:

https://mikrotik.com/product/gper

Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:


https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY

but you could probably use something like this since you don’t
need WiFi:


https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM

This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit
from the same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Extending home network

Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.

Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.

Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?

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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread chuck 
$260 each?



From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 8:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

It's overkill for speed, but it's the simplest setup and never worry about 
interference.   You just hang and point at each other and feed into your 
networks.   Preconfigured completely, so there's no config to do.   This is my 
goto for anything less than a mile.   Braindead networking...

https://multilink.us/mikrotik-wireless-wire-cube-pro-us/


On 10/14/24 7:09 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

  365 feet from my garage.  Needs to be wireless.  Connecting to the web 
browser in an RMS200 telemetry board.  10 mbps would probably work.  Prefer 
100.  Like to have an all in one radio/antenna.  POE.  Pair of Nanostations 
would probably do the job.  

  Not sure if there is something better out there.  Of course like to keep it 
under $10K...

  Best Regards,
  Chuck McCown 
  McCown Technology Corporation
  8401 N Commerce Drive
  Lake Point, Utah 84074

  801-250-9503 Office
  435-830-4306 Cell

  www mccowntech.com
  www.microtrench.pro
  www.terabitnetworks.com

  From: Robert 
  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:43 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

Power?  LOS?  So many devils in the details...  Desired B/W?   Budget?..   
Come on Chuck, cough up some more info!  


  On 10/14/24 5:59 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.  Been a while since 
I deployed anything like this.  

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown 
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot

On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:

  It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.

  Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


 
Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:

https://mikrotik.com/product/gper



Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:


https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY

but you could probably use something like this since you don’t need 
WiFi:


https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM

This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from 
the same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Extending home network



Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.  

Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.  



Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?



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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread Robert 
For the complete pair..   That's it, nada more...   It's simple enough 
that I give the links to customers that have a bit of a clue...


On 10/14/24 7:47 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

$260 each?
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 8:44 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
It's overkill for speed, but it's the simplest setup and never worry 
about interference.   You just hang and point at each other and feed 
into your networks.   Preconfigured completely, so there's no config 
to do.   This is my goto for anything less than a mile.   Braindead 
networking...


https://multilink.us/mikrotik-wireless-wire-cube-pro-us/

On 10/14/24 7:09 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
365 feet from my garage.  Needs to be wireless. Connecting to the web 
browser in an RMS200 telemetry board.  10 mbps would probably work.  
Prefer 100. Like to have an all in one radio/antenna.  POE. Pair of 
Nanostations would probably do the job.
Not sure if there is something better out there. Of course like to 
keep it under $10K...

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 7:43 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
  Power?  LOS?  So many devils in the details...  Desired B/W?   
Budget?..   Come on Chuck, cough up some more info!


On 10/14/24 5:59 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.  Been a while 
since I deployed anything like this.

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com
*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot
On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:

It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:

https://mikrotik.com/product/gper

Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:


https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY

but you could probably use something like this since you don’t
need WiFi:


https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM

This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch
circuit from the same electrical panel as the house, and that
it is indoors.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Extending home network

Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.

Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.

Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?

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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread Robert 
  Power?  LOS?  So many devils in the details...  Desired B/W?   
Budget?..   Come on Chuck, cough up some more info!


On 10/14/24 5:59 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios. Been a while 
since I deployed anything like this.

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Drive
Lake Point, Utah 84074

801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell

www mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com
*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot
On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:

It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:

https://mikrotik.com/product/gper

Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:


https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY

but you could probably use something like this since you don’t
need WiFi:


https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM

This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit
from the same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Extending home network

Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.

Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.

Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?

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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread TJ Trout 
There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot

On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:

> It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:
>
> https://mikrotik.com/product/gper
>
>
>
> Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY
>
> but you could probably use something like this since you don’t need WiFi:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM
>
> This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from the
> same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
>
>
> Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.
>
> Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.
>
>
>
> Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?
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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Fiber and UF-AE? Original Message From: chuck@go-mtc.comSent: 
10/14/2024 8:00:53 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Extending home network



I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.? Been a while 
since I deployed anything like this.? 
?
Best 
Regards,Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation8401 N Commerce 
DriveLake Point, Utah 84074801-250-9503 Office435-830-4306 
Cellwww 
mccowntech.comwww.microtrench.prowww.terabitnetworks.com


?

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
?

There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot
?

On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37?PM Chuck 
 wrote:

  It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33?PM, Ken Hohhof  
  wrote:
  
? 

Not new, and I haven?t used 
them, but there?s this:
https://mikrotik.com/product/gper
?
Could you use powerline 
networking?? I?ve used these:

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY
but you could probably use 
something like this since you don?t need WiFi:

https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM
This assumes the telemetry 
board location is on a branch circuit from the same electrical panel as the 
house, and that it is indoors.
?


From: AF  On Behalf Of 
chuck@go-mtc.comSent: 
Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PMTo: af@af.afmug.comSubject: [AFMUG] 
Extending home 
network
?



Need 
to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.? 


Extending 
the LAN.? Probably 750 feet away.? 

?

Anything 
new or better these days for this type of 
thing?

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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread chuck 
I am thinking of a couple of nano or pico type radios.  Been a while since I 
deployed anything like this.  

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From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 6:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

There's a new 900mhz based 802.11 something for low bw long range iot

On Mon, Oct 14, 2024, 5:37 PM Chuck  wrote:

  It is to a pump house on the neighbor's lot.

  Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 14, 2024, at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


 
Not new, and I haven’t used them, but there’s this:

https://mikrotik.com/product/gper



Could you use powerline networking?  I’ve used these:


https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Wi-Fi-Extender-TL-WPA7617KIT/dp/B09L85MFNY

but you could probably use something like this since you don’t need WiFi:


https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM

This assumes the telemetry board location is on a branch circuit from the 
same electrical panel as the house, and that it is indoors.



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Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 7:03 PM
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Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.  

Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.  



Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?



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[AFMUG] Extending home network

2024-10-14 Thread chuck 
Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.  
Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.  

Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?
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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

2024-10-14 Thread Mike Hammett 
"There are also retarders that are essentially hydraulic pumps pumping into a 
dummy load." 

That could be taken more than one way. 




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From: "Chuck"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 4:39:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan 

Jake brakes shut down some of the valves to create more forceful engine 
braking. Those are the noisy ones. There are also retarders that are 
essentially hydraulic pumps pumping into a dummy load. Always good to have 
brake options. 

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Regenerative braking instead of engine braking would be a big improvement. As 
would more torque for up hills or just getting up to speed. And I imagine an 
electric semi would be a lot more pleasant to drive when stopped in traffic or 
just inching along. 

I know a farmer just went through getting his CDL to drive the family grain 
truck, still needs to pass the manual transmission test because the test site 
didn’t have any but that’s what the farm owns. 

I wonder if you need a special CDL to drive an electric semi, or if it’s the 
same as a diesel with an automatic. 

Someone just the other day was explaining to me that the loud engine braking on 
a big diesel isn’t the same as on my 6 speed manual car. Apparently there’s 
something called a “Jake Brake”. OK, I would have guessed that was the name of 
a porn star. 



From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 3:43 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan 


Yeah, there are a lot of super truckers out there that think that if a truck 
can't be used for cross-continent trips, it's junk. The Tesla semi simply isn't 
meant for trips that need a sleeper. 



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From: "Ken Hohhof" < khoh...@kwom.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 2:07:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan 
I think the complaints I read back when it was first introduced focused on two 
things – driver positioned in the center, and no sleeper cab. 

Supposedly with the driver in the center, it makes it difficult to pass 
paperwork out the window at weigh stations and depots, or to access touchscreen 
kiosks. Also can’t stick your head out the window to look behind when backing 
up. 

No place to put a bed, and passenger seat is behind the driver not next to. 

Probably minor complaints that can be addressed by companies like Pepsi or DHL 
that set their own procedures. 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 1:32 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan 


I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by Pepsico 
execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers absolutely love 
them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost effortless, and the 
lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers who were interviewed, 
they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel. 

Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles 
driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more. 








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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof < khoh...@kwom.com > wrote: 





How is the Tesla Semi doing? Unlike the Robovan, it already exists, doesn’t it? 

I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never talked to 
an actual semi driver. But maybe the intent is to have them be driverless. 

Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck. As far as 
the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla talks the 
talk. Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count for more than 
glitzy demos and hype. But honestly the Chinese will probably beat them all at 
the driverless taxi game. 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan 


Who among us thinks that's a good idea? 






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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof < khoh...@kwom.com > wrote: 





Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains. 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy
 

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