Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

[Steven Kenney via AF]

We bought a used Kohler from a farmer in Alberta had it shipped to us for
under $30k.  Worked perfectly with a little maintenance.   Even ran a full
work day on it when our power company was replacing a pole.  But I didn't
want to rely on it so I made a sub panel for our NOC with a manual override
and a massive 50 amp cable that is like 50ft.  "Just in case" both power
and generator failed.

That "just in case" happened.  We were hit by lightning couple weeks ago
and the panel blew including access to the generator.  So we were on
battery at 4am with 2-3hours runtime.  We pull about 30-40 amps.  So our
guys ran the 50 amp plug to a mobile generator, did the manual override and
we were safe with 1 hour left to go.  We have a mobile air conditioning
unit with a long pipe to vent outside.

So moral of the story.  Don't have just 1 backup.  In my case I had 4
layers of backup for worst case scenarios.  That scenario happened! I'm
glad I planned for this because we got hit the Friday before my vacation!
So nobody was down (except people on our tower) and I was able to go and
enjoy my vacation.

Can't stress enough to have multiple options!


On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 12:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Well, larger wires need larger conduit.  They all work the same but the
> control wires are all different so you cannot use the old switch for the
> new generator... almost guaranteed.  The amperage will almost certainly be
> too small etc.  I am always astounded at how large the enclosures are for
> these things.  Upgrading to a larger generator will likely require twice
> the wall space for the transfer switch.  I think I would shop based on what
> the transfer switch looked like and if you can fit it somewhere on the
> wall.
>
> Nothing wrong with Generac.  I have used their larger units without issue
> other than in the past their built in starter motor battery charger would
> fail and it would not be known until you actually needed it.  I outfitted
> all the sites with telemetry and we watched that voltage carefully.
> Especially after they exercise each week or month.  We also resorted to
> installing the starting batteries inside the climate controlled area and
> adding a high quality battery maintainer to them.  That battery is the
> weakest link in the whole system.
>
> Not sure what your climate is, but the colder areas need engine heaters.
> That is important.  And larger is almost always better for longevity.  I
> once installed a unit that was fine for the load, but we had those external
> wall mount AC units and after a power outage, especially a short one, the
> generator could not start both ACs at the same time.  Had to put a device
> on that would only allow one AC to run under generator power.
>
> I always required the techs to check the hour meter each time they went to
> the site.  Our call center kept logs of generator hours and notified techs
> if they discovered an hour meter was not advancing (from the exercise
> cycles).
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 27, 2022 8:45 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators
>
> Our main datacenter has for years had a single 11kw residential style
> generac. Due to increasing power load and improving redundancy I want to
> upgrade to dual larger generators.
>
> Trying to decide between new 22kw air cooled residential units or used
> larger liquid cooled commercial style units. Maybe one of each. Building
> has 200A single phase service so ~50kw is the max that would make sense.
>
> I am leaning towards used commercial style units but not sure how the
> controls/ATS work, and if there is a concern of being able to fish the
> correct transfer switch for an older generator, or if they are fairly
> universal. Have only installed whole kits from generac before.
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Chris
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

[dmmoffett]

I always get the Generac “cold weather kit” now.  It’s really just a battery 
heater pad and a heater sleeve that goes around the oil filter.  It’s 
overpriced for what it is, but when you get theirs it’ll have the correct wires 
and connectors already.  I think it’s ok to pay extra to not have to worry 
about sourcing the right molex connector.  I did it once by just splicing bare 
wires into their system, but I have to consider that the next guy who comes 
along might be dumber than me….He’d have to be extra special dumb to plug in a 
molex connector wrong.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 12:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

 

Well, larger wires need larger conduit.  They all work the same but the control 
wires are all different so you cannot use the old switch for the new 
generator... almost guaranteed.  The amperage will almost certainly be too 
small etc.  I am always astounded at how large the enclosures are for these 
things.  Upgrading to a larger generator will likely require twice the wall 
space for the transfer switch.  I think I would shop based on what the transfer 
switch looked like and if you can fit it somewhere on the wall.  

 

Nothing wrong with Generac.  I have used their larger units without issue other 
than in the past their built in starter motor battery charger would fail and it 
would not be known until you actually needed it.  I outfitted all the sites 
with telemetry and we watched that voltage carefully.  Especially after they 
exercise each week or month.  We also resorted to installing the starting 
batteries inside the climate controlled area and adding a high quality battery 
maintainer to them.  That battery is the weakest link in the whole system.

 

Not sure what your climate is, but the colder areas need engine heaters.  That 
is important.  And larger is almost always better for longevity.  I once 
installed a unit that was fine for the load, but we had those external wall 
mount AC units and after a power outage, especially a short one, the generator 
could not start both ACs at the same time.  Had to put a device on that would 
only allow one AC to run under generator power.  

 

I always required the techs to check the hour meter each time they went to the 
site.  Our call center kept logs of generator hours and notified techs if they 
discovered an hour meter was not advancing (from the exercise cycles).  

 

From: Chris Fabien 

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 8:45 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

 

Our main datacenter has for years had a single 11kw residential style generac. 
Due to increasing power load and improving redundancy I want to upgrade to dual 
larger generators.  

 

Trying to decide between new 22kw air cooled residential units or used larger 
liquid cooled commercial style units. Maybe one of each. Building has 200A 
single phase service so ~50kw is the max that would make sense. 

 

I am leaning towards used commercial style units but not sure how the 
controls/ATS work, and if there is a concern of being able to fish the correct 
transfer switch for an older generator, or if they are fairly universal. Have 
only installed whole kits from generac before. 

 

Thanks for any input. 

Chris

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

[Nate Burke]

Tried to push the 500' run, got about 300' in before the fiber stopped 
pushing.  Going to try to splice on spare strands in an existing fiber 
in another conduit.  The guys who originally installed the conduit put 
pull line in all the other parts of the conduit run except for these 2 
runs that I'm trying to pull new fiber through.


On 8/20/2022 4:19 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Haven't tried it yet.  setup with the guys for Wednesday to try again.

On 8/20/2022 2:47 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
So, did you try it?  I have dug it up half way and cut it and pulled 
half before on difficult installs.


Just make sure to put the coupler on one end before you put the fiber 
in the other side...


-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

Stiffer and almost floats.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

We could try pushing it through.  We thought that would be a foolish
endeavor, but we can try.  I know how well pushing electric wire works,
but the fiber is stiffer.

On 8/19/2022 4:18 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Or a fire hydrant?  You can get a hydrant meter from the city to use 
hydrant water.


-Original Message- From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

Do you have a water hose nearby?

Water flowing through the pipe could carry a string/parachute down 
the way.
You'd have to find a way to secure the water hose to the conduit but 
you can probably figure that out.


Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:45 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

I have a 700' and 800' empty, but water filled, 1.25"duct I need to 
get fiber through (No pull line).  My Rodder is only 600'  Is there 
anyplace that would rent a 1000' rodder for a couple days? We tried 
to shop vac it out, but just not enough pull to get the water out 
over that distance. Are there other methods I haven't thought of 
yet?  I only have home/shop sized air compressors, I'd have to go 
rent a scroll compressor to try to blow it.


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Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I always blow water and a sponge before installing fiber.  300’ is nothing if 
the duct is good.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> Tried to push the 500' run, got about 300' in before the fiber stopped 
> pushing.  Going to try to splice on spare strands in an existing fiber in 
> another conduit.  The guys who originally installed the conduit put pull line 
> in all the other parts of the conduit run except for these 2 runs that I'm 
> trying to pull new fiber through.
> 
>> On 8/20/2022 4:19 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> Haven't tried it yet.  setup with the guys for Wednesday to try again.
>> 
>>> On 8/20/2022 2:47 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> So, did you try it?  I have dug it up half way and cut it and pulled half 
>>> before on difficult installs.
>>> 
>>> Just make sure to put the coupler on one end before you put the fiber in 
>>> the other side...
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown via AF
>>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:48 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Cc: Chuck McCown
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
>>> 
>>> Stiffer and almost floats.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:41 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
>>> 
>>> We could try pushing it through.  We thought that would be a foolish
>>> endeavor, but we can try.  I know how well pushing electric wire works,
>>> but the fiber is stiffer.
>>> 
>>> On 8/19/2022 4:18 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
 Or a fire hydrant?  You can get a hydrant meter from the city to use 
 hydrant water.
 
 -Original Message- From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
 Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:06 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
 
 Do you have a water hose nearby?
 
 Water flowing through the pipe could carry a string/parachute down the way.
 You'd have to find a way to secure the water hose to the conduit but you 
 can probably figure that out.
 
 Jim Bouse
 Owner - Brazos WiFi
 979-999-7000
 http://www.brazoswifi.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
 Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:45 PM
 To: Animal Farm 
 Subject: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
 
 I have a 700' and 800' empty, but water filled, 1.25"duct I need to get 
 fiber through (No pull line).  My Rodder is only 600'  Is there anyplace 
 that would rent a 1000' rodder for a couple days? We tried to shop vac it 
 out, but just not enough pull to get the water out over that distance. Are 
 there other methods I haven't thought of yet?  I only have home/shop sized 
 air compressors, I'd have to go rent a scroll compressor to try to blow it.
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

At 30k you are getting into the big boy stuff.   I want to say our most recent 
500KW cummins purchase (only a few years old) was in the 50k range.   Smaller 
units are a good bit cheaper.  These are higher end units that are tanks.  Easy 
to set up remote start with a decent ATS (also cheap)  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 6:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

 

We bought a used Kohler from a farmer in Alberta had it shipped to us for under 
$30k.  Worked perfectly with a little maintenance.   Even ran a full work day 
on it when our power company was replacing a pole.  But I didn't want to rely 
on it so I made a sub panel for our NOC with a manual override and a massive 50 
amp cable that is like 50ft.  "Just in case" both power and generator failed.  

 

That "just in case" happened.  We were hit by lightning couple weeks ago and 
the panel blew including access to the generator.  So we were on battery at 4am 
with 2-3hours runtime.  We pull about 30-40 amps.  So our guys ran the 50 amp 
plug to a mobile generator, did the manual override and we were safe with 1 
hour left to go.  We have a mobile air conditioning unit with a long pipe to 
vent outside.  

 

So moral of the story.  Don't have just 1 backup.  In my case I had 4 layers of 
backup for worst case scenarios.  That scenario happened! I'm glad I planned 
for this because we got hit the Friday before my vacation!  So nobody was down 
(except people on our tower) and I was able to go and enjoy my vacation.  

 

Can't stress enough to have multiple options!

 

 

On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 12:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Well, larger wires need larger conduit.  They all work the same but the control 
wires are all different so you cannot use the old switch for the new 
generator... almost guaranteed.  The amperage will almost certainly be too 
small etc.  I am always astounded at how large the enclosures are for these 
things.  Upgrading to a larger generator will likely require twice the wall 
space for the transfer switch.  I think I would shop based on what the transfer 
switch looked like and if you can fit it somewhere on the wall.  

 

Nothing wrong with Generac.  I have used their larger units without issue other 
than in the past their built in starter motor battery charger would fail and it 
would not be known until you actually needed it.  I outfitted all the sites 
with telemetry and we watched that voltage carefully.  Especially after they 
exercise each week or month.  We also resorted to installing the starting 
batteries inside the climate controlled area and adding a high quality battery 
maintainer to them.  That battery is the weakest link in the whole system.

 

Not sure what your climate is, but the colder areas need engine heaters.  That 
is important.  And larger is almost always better for longevity.  I once 
installed a unit that was fine for the load, but we had those external wall 
mount AC units and after a power outage, especially a short one, the generator 
could not start both ACs at the same time.  Had to put a device on that would 
only allow one AC to run under generator power.  

 

I always required the techs to check the hour meter each time they went to the 
site.  Our call center kept logs of generator hours and notified techs if they 
discovered an hour meter was not advancing (from the exercise cycles).  

 

From: Chris Fabien 

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 8:45 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

 

Our main datacenter has for years had a single 11kw residential style generac. 
Due to increasing power load and improving redundancy I want to upgrade to dual 
larger generators.  

 

Trying to decide between new 22kw air cooled residential units or used larger 
liquid cooled commercial style units. Maybe one of each. Building has 200A 
single phase service so ~50kw is the max that would make sense. 

 

I am leaning towards used commercial style units but not sure how the 
controls/ATS work, and if there is a concern of being able to fish the correct 
transfer switch for an older generator, or if they are fairly universal. Have 
only installed whole kits from generac before. 

 

Thanks for any input. 

Chris

 


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Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I used to have a rule of thumb that simple generators are 15 cents per watt on 
up.  Generacs with ATS were in the 25 cent range or more.  

From: Daniel Pautz via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 12:43 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Daniel Pautz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

At 30k you are getting into the big boy stuff.   I want to say our most recent 
500KW cummins purchase (only a few years old) was in the 50k range.   Smaller 
units are a good bit cheaper.  These are higher end units that are tanks.  Easy 
to set up remote start with a decent ATS (also cheap)  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 6:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

 

We bought a used Kohler from a farmer in Alberta had it shipped to us for under 
$30k.  Worked perfectly with a little maintenance.   Even ran a full work day 
on it when our power company was replacing a pole.  But I didn't want to rely 
on it so I made a sub panel for our NOC with a manual override and a massive 50 
amp cable that is like 50ft.  "Just in case" both power and generator failed.  

 

That "just in case" happened.  We were hit by lightning couple weeks ago and 
the panel blew including access to the generator.  So we were on battery at 4am 
with 2-3hours runtime.  We pull about 30-40 amps.  So our guys ran the 50 amp 
plug to a mobile generator, did the manual override and we were safe with 1 
hour left to go.  We have a mobile air conditioning unit with a long pipe to 
vent outside.  

 

So moral of the story.  Don't have just 1 backup.  In my case I had 4 layers of 
backup for worst case scenarios.  That scenario happened! I'm glad I planned 
for this because we got hit the Friday before my vacation!  So nobody was down 
(except people on our tower) and I was able to go and enjoy my vacation.  

 

Can't stress enough to have multiple options!

 

 

On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 12:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Well, larger wires need larger conduit.  They all work the same but the 
control wires are all different so you cannot use the old switch for the new 
generator... almost guaranteed.  The amperage will almost certainly be too 
small etc.  I am always astounded at how large the enclosures are for these 
things.  Upgrading to a larger generator will likely require twice the wall 
space for the transfer switch.  I think I would shop based on what the transfer 
switch looked like and if you can fit it somewhere on the wall.  

   

  Nothing wrong with Generac.  I have used their larger units without issue 
other than in the past their built in starter motor battery charger would fail 
and it would not be known until you actually needed it.  I outfitted all the 
sites with telemetry and we watched that voltage carefully.  Especially after 
they exercise each week or month.  We also resorted to installing the starting 
batteries inside the climate controlled area and adding a high quality battery 
maintainer to them.  That battery is the weakest link in the whole system.

   

  Not sure what your climate is, but the colder areas need engine heaters.  
That is important.  And larger is almost always better for longevity.  I once 
installed a unit that was fine for the load, but we had those external wall 
mount AC units and after a power outage, especially a short one, the generator 
could not start both ACs at the same time.  Had to put a device on that would 
only allow one AC to run under generator power.  

   

  I always required the techs to check the hour meter each time they went to 
the site.  Our call center kept logs of generator hours and notified techs if 
they discovered an hour meter was not advancing (from the exercise cycles).  

   

  From: Chris Fabien 

  Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 8:45 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

   

  Our main datacenter has for years had a single 11kw residential style 
generac. Due to increasing power load and improving redundancy I want to 
upgrade to dual larger generators.  

   

  Trying to decide between new 22kw air cooled residential units or used larger 
liquid cooled commercial style units. Maybe one of each. Building has 200A 
single phase service so ~50kw is the max that would make sense. 

   

  I am leaning towards used commercial style units but not sure how the 
controls/ATS work, and if there is a concern of being able to fish the correct 
transfer switch for an older generator, or if they are fairly universal. Have 
only installed whole kits from generac before. 

   

  Thanks for any input. 

  Chris

   


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Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

[Josh Luthman]

How big of an air compressor do you need for something like that?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I always blow water and a sponge before installing fiber.  300’ is nothing
> if the duct is good.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> >
> > Tried to push the 500' run, got about 300' in before the fiber stopped
> pushing.  Going to try to splice on spare strands in an existing fiber in
> another conduit.  The guys who originally installed the conduit put pull
> line in all the other parts of the conduit run except for these 2 runs that
> I'm trying to pull new fiber through.
> >
> >> On 8/20/2022 4:19 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> >> Haven't tried it yet.  setup with the guys for Wednesday to try again.
> >>
> >>> On 8/20/2022 2:47 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> >>> So, did you try it?  I have dug it up half way and cut it and pulled
> half before on difficult installs.
> >>>
> >>> Just make sure to put the coupler on one end before you put the fiber
> in the other side...
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown via AF
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:48 PM
> >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> Cc: Chuck McCown
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
> >>>
> >>> Stiffer and almost floats.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:41 PM
> >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
> >>>
> >>> We could try pushing it through.  We thought that would be a foolish
> >>> endeavor, but we can try.  I know how well pushing electric wire works,
> >>> but the fiber is stiffer.
> >>>
> >>> On 8/19/2022 4:18 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>  Or a fire hydrant?  You can get a hydrant meter from the city to use
> hydrant water.
> 
>  -Original Message- From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:06 PM
>  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
> 
>  Do you have a water hose nearby?
> 
>  Water flowing through the pipe could carry a string/parachute down
> the way.
>  You'd have to find a way to secure the water hose to the conduit but
> you can probably figure that out.
> 
>  Jim Bouse
>  Owner - Brazos WiFi
>  979-999-7000
>  http://www.brazoswifi.com
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:45 PM
>  To: Animal Farm 
>  Subject: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
> 
>  I have a 700' and 800' empty, but water filled, 1.25"duct I need to
> get fiber through (No pull line).  My Rodder is only 600'  Is there
> anyplace that would rent a 1000' rodder for a couple days? We tried to shop
> vac it out, but just not enough pull to get the water out over that
> distance. Are there other methods I haven't thought of yet?  I only have
> home/shop sized air compressors, I'd have to go rent a scroll compressor to
> try to blow it.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

[Chuck McCown via AF]

185 cfm works very well.  And they are the most common.  But even one half that 
size will do the job.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 1:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

How big of an air compressor do you need for something like that?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  I always blow water and a sponge before installing fiber.  300’ is nothing if 
the duct is good.

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
  > 
  > Tried to push the 500' run, got about 300' in before the fiber stopped 
pushing.  Going to try to splice on spare strands in an existing fiber in 
another conduit.  The guys who originally installed the conduit put pull line 
in all the other parts of the conduit run except for these 2 runs that I'm 
trying to pull new fiber through.
  > 
  >> On 8/20/2022 4:19 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
  >> Haven't tried it yet.  setup with the guys for Wednesday to try again.
  >> 
  >>> On 8/20/2022 2:47 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
  >>> So, did you try it?  I have dug it up half way and cut it and pulled half 
before on difficult installs.
  >>> 
  >>> Just make sure to put the coupler on one end before you put the fiber in 
the other side...
  >>> 
  >>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown via AF
  >>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:48 PM
  >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  >>> Cc: Chuck McCown
  >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
  >>> 
  >>> Stiffer and almost floats.
  >>> 
  >>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
  >>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:41 PM
  >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
  >>> 
  >>> We could try pushing it through.  We thought that would be a foolish
  >>> endeavor, but we can try.  I know how well pushing electric wire works,
  >>> but the fiber is stiffer.
  >>> 
  >>> On 8/19/2022 4:18 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
   Or a fire hydrant?  You can get a hydrant meter from the city to use 
hydrant water.
   
   -Original Message- From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
   Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:06 PM
   To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
   
   Do you have a water hose nearby?
   
   Water flowing through the pipe could carry a string/parachute down the 
way.
   You'd have to find a way to secure the water hose to the conduit but you 
can probably figure that out.
   
   Jim Bouse
   Owner - Brazos WiFi
   979-999-7000
   http://www.brazoswifi.com
   
   -Original Message-
   From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
   Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:45 PM
   To: Animal Farm 
   Subject: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder
   
   I have a 700' and 800' empty, but water filled, 1.25"duct I need to get 
fiber through (No pull line).  My Rodder is only 600'  Is there anyplace that 
would rent a 1000' rodder for a couple days? We tried to shop vac it out, but 
just not enough pull to get the water out over that distance. Are there other 
methods I haven't thought of yet?  I only have home/shop sized air compressors, 
I'd have to go rent a scroll compressor to try to blow it.
   
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[AFMUG] BDC

[Steve Jones]

Finally got this done. What fuckery. Ive spent the last week screwing
around with this stupid shit that doesnt do anything for the company and
just burns a stupid amount of time. That website is exactly the type of non
intuitive shit youd expect from the US government. Crack head webdudes.

I dont like ever putting my name in innacurate shit unless im telling lies
and this was inaccurate as all get out. having to cheat this and poke that
and import and export out of our powercode database, also, fuck excel,
google sheets is where its at.

Cherry on it is when i got done I did our 477 too and my autifill
apparently filed our company 477 as my personal LLC, gonna see how that
turns out. I dont know, maybe now I own the company.

The only good of this was Cambium, those guys put the toolset in cnheat to
hammer this out pretty clean. Most of the errors from that were just that
Im a dumbass.

Im not saying the FCC is a bunch of turds, but this whole process belongs
in a portapotty at an august construction site in texas.

Heres a shocker, Im gonna go get shitface
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Re: [AFMUG] EXTERNAL - BDC

[Kevin Neal]

Very straightforward for our fiber coverage.  Wireless coverage though…still 
waiting for that info back.  No Lidar coverage here to make cnHeat worth it.


-Kevin



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Finally got this done. What fuckery. Ive spent the last week screwing around 
with this stupid shit that doesnt do anything for the company and just burns a 
stupid amount of time. That website is exactly the type of non intuitive shit 
youd expect from the US government. Crack head webdudes.

I dont like ever putting my name in innacurate shit unless im telling lies and 
this was inaccurate as all get out. having to cheat this and poke that and 
import and export out of our powercode database, also, fuck excel, google 
sheets is where its at.

Cherry on it is when i got done I did our 477 too and my autifill apparently 
filed our company 477 as my personal LLC, gonna see how that turns out. I dont 
know, maybe now I own the company.

The only good of this was Cambium, those guys put the toolset in cnheat to 
hammer this out pretty clean. Most of the errors from that were just that Im a 
dumbass.

Im not saying the FCC is a bunch of turds, but this whole process belongs in a 
portapotty at an august construction site in texas.

Heres a shocker, Im gonna go get shitface
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC

[Cameron Crum]

You should try filing 200+

Cameron

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 4:43 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Finally got this done. What fuckery. Ive spent the last week screwing
> around with this stupid shit that doesnt do anything for the company and
> just burns a stupid amount of time. That website is exactly the type of non
> intuitive shit youd expect from the US government. Crack head webdudes.
>
> I dont like ever putting my name in innacurate shit unless im telling lies
> and this was inaccurate as all get out. having to cheat this and poke that
> and import and export out of our powercode database, also, fuck excel,
> google sheets is where its at.
>
> Cherry on it is when i got done I did our 477 too and my autifill
> apparently filed our company 477 as my personal LLC, gonna see how that
> turns out. I dont know, maybe now I own the company.
>
> The only good of this was Cambium, those guys put the toolset in cnheat to
> hammer this out pretty clean. Most of the errors from that were just that
> Im a dumbass.
>
> Im not saying the FCC is a bunch of turds, but this whole process belongs
> in a portapotty at an august construction site in texas.
>
> Heres a shocker, Im gonna go get shitface
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC

[Tyson Burris]

Steve-

You may not say it but I will. The FCC is ran by more then a bunch of turds. 
It’s Ran by a bunch of clueless stupid idiots who’s job is to make neutral and 
fair decisions in the best interest of this country.

What you got is a group of people making decisions harming businesses across 
the US with data that is half ass.

Like the IRS the real solution is to dismantle and start over not try and 
crutch every time the public cries.

When I reviewed our first submission today I just shook my head, rolled my eyes 
and asked how the hell we got to this point.

Perhaps it’s just shit tower coverage data. Who knows.

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

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On Aug 30, 2022, at 9:53 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:


You should try filing 200+

Cameron

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 4:43 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Finally got this done. What fuckery. Ive spent the last week screwing around 
with this stupid shit that doesnt do anything for the company and just burns a 
stupid amount of time. That website is exactly the type of non intuitive shit 
youd expect from the US government. Crack head webdudes.

I dont like ever putting my name in innacurate shit unless im telling lies and 
this was inaccurate as all get out. having to cheat this and poke that and 
import and export out of our powercode database, also, fuck excel, google 
sheets is where its at.

Cherry on it is when i got done I did our 477 too and my autifill apparently 
filed our company 477 as my personal LLC, gonna see how that turns out. I dont 
know, maybe now I own the company.

The only good of this was Cambium, those guys put the toolset in cnheat to 
hammer this out pretty clean. Most of the errors from that were just that Im a 
dumbass.

Im not saying the FCC is a bunch of turds, but this whole process belongs in a 
portapotty at an august construction site in texas.

Heres a shocker, Im gonna go get shitface
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