Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

[Steve Jones]

I'm running short on time with this nonsense. I'm still data entering the
site info accurately into cnheat. Havent even started on subscriber stuff.
About how long on average is the turnaround for these paid services? I
assume some of them are going pirate now and charging "expedited service
fees"

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 10:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I wonder if it is like filing a tax return.  You can file a blank return
> with just a signature and you will not get fined for not filing or late
> filing.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 7:25 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC service
>
> On 8/25/22 12:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Not filing is a bad decision.
>
>
> The filing thing rejected half of my location IDs as invalid. Apparently
> they are marked 'bsl_flag=false' in the fabric data. All of my locations
> IDs are commercial/business which were hit or miss which were flagged
> true or false. The ID for our physical address where we provide gigabit
> Ethernet to in-building neighbors was rejected, of all the locations
> that one is the *most* serviceable of them all.
>
> So if it's such a big deal they need to fine people I'll just submit
> what it will accept and ignore what it won't.  Seems like a great way to
> keep having inaccurate data though unless they only really care about
> residential, in which which case 100% of my filing is irrelevant.
>
> ~Seth
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

[Dennis Burgess]

We are not.  We just tell you we will get it done as quickly as possible.  Our 
cutoff date was the 18th.  While I don’t want to put my foot in my own mouth, I 
bet we will see either the FCC extending it the day before or not caring as 
long as you file within some specified time afterword’s.  What they have mostly 
always done.  Also, this one is an exception as everyone has to figure out 
their BDC stuff. Sooo..  If you want us to do it, we can (course we also have 
self service options as well), but if you go full service then it won’t be done 
by the 1st at this point in time.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 8:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

I'm running short on time with this nonsense. I'm still data entering the site 
info accurately into cnheat. Havent even started on subscriber stuff.
About how long on average is the turnaround for these paid services? I assume 
some of them are going pirate now and charging "expedited service fees"

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 10:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I wonder if it is like filing a tax return.  You can file a blank return
with just a signature and you will not get fined for not filing or late
filing.


-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 7:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

On 8/25/22 12:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Not filing is a bad decision.


The filing thing rejected half of my location IDs as invalid. Apparently
they are marked 'bsl_flag=false' in the fabric data. All of my locations
IDs are commercial/business which were hit or miss which were flagged
true or false. The ID for our physical address where we provide gigabit
Ethernet to in-building neighbors was rejected, of all the locations
that one is the *most* serviceable of them all.

So if it's such a big deal they need to fine people I'll just submit
what it will accept and ignore what it won't.  Seems like a great way to
keep having inaccurate data though unless they only really care about
residential, in which which case 100% of my filing is irrelevant.

~Seth

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: BDC service

[Sriram Chaturvedi via AF]

Steve,

We saw your cnHeat order come in just 10 minutes ago and it has already been 
fulfilled. No expedited or piracy fee.

Good luck with the BDC filing.

Sriram

From: AF  on behalf of Steve Jones 

Date: Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] BDC service
I'm running short on time with this nonsense. I'm still data entering the site 
info accurately into cnheat. Havent even started on subscriber stuff.
About how long on average is the turnaround for these paid services? I assume 
some of them are going pirate now and charging "expedited service fees"

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 10:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I wonder if it is like filing a tax return.  You can file a blank return
with just a signature and you will not get fined for not filing or late
filing.


-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 7:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

On 8/25/22 12:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Not filing is a bad decision.


The filing thing rejected half of my location IDs as invalid. Apparently
they are marked 'bsl_flag=false' in the fabric data. All of my locations
IDs are commercial/business which were hit or miss which were flagged
true or false. The ID for our physical address where we provide gigabit
Ethernet to in-building neighbors was rejected, of all the locations
that one is the *most* serviceable of them all.

So if it's such a big deal they need to fine people I'll just submit
what it will accept and ignore what it won't.  Seems like a great way to
keep having inaccurate data though unless they only really care about
residential, in which which case 100% of my filing is irrelevant.

~Seth

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: BDC service

[Cameron Crum]

No expedited fees. We gave discounts in July to incentivise people.
Apparently, most people prefer to spend $400 more by not taking advantage
of that. We can likely get stuff in with cheat polygons if we get it SOON


On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:17 AM Sriram Chaturvedi via AF 
wrote:

> Steve,
>
>
>
> We saw your cnHeat order come in just 10 minutes ago and it has already
> been fulfilled. No expedited or piracy fee.
>
>
>
> Good luck with the BDC filing.
>
>
>
> Sriram
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:40 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *[ External ] Re: [AFMUG] BDC service
>
> I'm running short on time with this nonsense. I'm still data entering the
> site info accurately into cnheat. Havent even started on subscriber stuff.
>
> About how long on average is the turnaround for these paid services? I
> assume some of them are going pirate now and charging "expedited service
> fees"
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 10:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I wonder if it is like filing a tax return.  You can file a blank return
> with just a signature and you will not get fined for not filing or late
> filing.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 7:25 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC service
>
> On 8/25/22 12:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Not filing is a bad decision.
>
>
> The filing thing rejected half of my location IDs as invalid. Apparently
> they are marked 'bsl_flag=false' in the fabric data. All of my locations
> IDs are commercial/business which were hit or miss which were flagged
> true or false. The ID for our physical address where we provide gigabit
> Ethernet to in-building neighbors was rejected, of all the locations
> that one is the *most* serviceable of them all.
>
> So if it's such a big deal they need to fine people I'll just submit
> what it will accept and ignore what it won't.  Seems like a great way to
> keep having inaccurate data though unless they only really care about
> residential, in which which case 100% of my filing is irrelevant.
>
> ~Seth
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/25/22 6:39 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
The primary goal is to determine consumer level broadband access. So 
yeah, they flag the commercial addresses and reject. It's a pretty easy 
search to eliminate them. Just ignore anything with bsl_flag set to false.



Did the math this morning and the rejected location IDs account for 63% 
of my customers. Here's to hoping they aren't looking for accuracy with 
this new thing.


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Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

[Cameron Crum]

Here's a fun fact about the BDC and 477. In the BDC they want you to report
subscription data (just like the 477) but they have a new tech code 71 for
licensed wireless (that's anything in CBRS band or 2.5Ghz). However, the
477 subscription section will reject the subscription files with 71 in
them. It's not as simple as changing the 71 to 70, because then you could
create duplicate rows with the same speed tiers and tech codes. The funnest
part is that NONE of the billing systems that spit out the subscription
report can add the 71 in the right place. So while their report will pass
(maybe) on the 477 it is worthless for BDC if you have any licensed band
radios. And if you report any locations being served by licensed, and don't
have any subscribers in your subscription file with tech code 71, they will
not let you certify your filing. FUN TIMES!


On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:55 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/25/22 6:39 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> > The primary goal is to determine consumer level broadband access. So
> > yeah, they flag the commercial addresses and reject. It's a pretty easy
> > search to eliminate them. Just ignore anything with bsl_flag set to
> false.
>
>
> Did the math this morning and the rejected location IDs account for 63%
> of my customers. Here's to hoping they aren't looking for accuracy with
> this new thing.
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

[Josh Luthman]

Easy.

s/70/71

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 12:14 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Here's a fun fact about the BDC and 477. In the BDC they want you to
> report subscription data (just like the 477) but they have a new tech code
> 71 for licensed wireless (that's anything in CBRS band or 2.5Ghz). However,
> the 477 subscription section will reject the subscription files with 71 in
> them. It's not as simple as changing the 71 to 70, because then you could
> create duplicate rows with the same speed tiers and tech codes. The funnest
> part is that NONE of the billing systems that spit out the subscription
> report can add the 71 in the right place. So while their report will pass
> (maybe) on the 477 it is worthless for BDC if you have any licensed band
> radios. And if you report any locations being served by licensed, and don't
> have any subscribers in your subscription file with tech code 71, they will
> not let you certify your filing. FUN TIMES!
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:55 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 8/25/22 6:39 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>> > The primary goal is to determine consumer level broadband access. So
>> > yeah, they flag the commercial addresses and reject. It's a pretty easy
>> > search to eliminate them. Just ignore anything with bsl_flag set to
>> false.
>>
>>
>> Did the math this morning and the rejected location IDs account for 63%
>> of my customers. Here's to hoping they aren't looking for accuracy with
>> this new thing.
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

[Cameron Crum]

Good luck with the duplicate errors after that.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 12:47 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Easy.
>
> s/70/71
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 12:14 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Here's a fun fact about the BDC and 477. In the BDC they want you to
>> report subscription data (just like the 477) but they have a new tech code
>> 71 for licensed wireless (that's anything in CBRS band or 2.5Ghz). However,
>> the 477 subscription section will reject the subscription files with 71 in
>> them. It's not as simple as changing the 71 to 70, because then you could
>> create duplicate rows with the same speed tiers and tech codes. The funnest
>> part is that NONE of the billing systems that spit out the subscription
>> report can add the 71 in the right place. So while their report will pass
>> (maybe) on the 477 it is worthless for BDC if you have any licensed band
>> radios. And if you report any locations being served by licensed, and don't
>> have any subscribers in your subscription file with tech code 71, they will
>> not let you certify your filing. FUN TIMES!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:55 AM Seth Mattinen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/25/22 6:39 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>> > The primary goal is to determine consumer level broadband access. So
>>> > yeah, they flag the commercial addresses and reject. It's a pretty
>>> easy
>>> > search to eliminate them. Just ignore anything with bsl_flag set to
>>> false.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did the math this morning and the rejected location IDs account for 63%
>>> of my customers. Here's to hoping they aren't looking for accuracy with
>>> this new thing.
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

[Cameron Crum]

And make damn sure you don't have blank line at the end of your
subscription file...they can't handle a blank line.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:47 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Good luck with the duplicate errors after that.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 12:47 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Easy.
>>
>> s/70/71
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 12:14 PM Cameron Crum 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a fun fact about the BDC and 477. In the BDC they want you to
>>> report subscription data (just like the 477) but they have a new tech code
>>> 71 for licensed wireless (that's anything in CBRS band or 2.5Ghz). However,
>>> the 477 subscription section will reject the subscription files with 71 in
>>> them. It's not as simple as changing the 71 to 70, because then you could
>>> create duplicate rows with the same speed tiers and tech codes. The funnest
>>> part is that NONE of the billing systems that spit out the subscription
>>> report can add the 71 in the right place. So while their report will pass
>>> (maybe) on the 477 it is worthless for BDC if you have any licensed band
>>> radios. And if you report any locations being served by licensed, and don't
>>> have any subscribers in your subscription file with tech code 71, they will
>>> not let you certify your filing. FUN TIMES!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:55 AM Seth Mattinen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On 8/25/22 6:39 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
 > The primary goal is to determine consumer level broadband access. So
 > yeah, they flag the commercial addresses and reject. It's a pretty
 easy
 > search to eliminate them. Just ignore anything with bsl_flag set to
 false.


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