Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread dmmoffett 
Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All ex-military,
all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse and suffered
a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are always broke,
angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them so they don't
fly off the handle about anything.

 

...and I'm not at all "woke".  I just know it's not for me to pass
judgement.

 

On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they're the rebels
fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
they're the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.  

 

That is how I would describe some of my kids.

 

The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.  

 

Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just
to be able to still see some of my kids.  

Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.  

 

Odd times

I loved my parents and grandparents.  

Never felt they had to earn it.  

Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.  

 

Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were
separate all while the kids were growing.

But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same
vernacular. 

 

Must have something to do with energy drinks I think. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Cameron Crum 
You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.


On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:

> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse
> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them
> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>
>
>
> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
> judgement.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels
> fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
> they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>
>
> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>
>
>
> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>
>
>
> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>
>
>
> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just
> to be able to still see some of my kids.
>
> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
> sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
> just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
> the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>
>
>
> Odd times
>
> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>
> Never felt they had to earn it.
>
> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>
>
>
> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were
> separate all while the kids were growing.
>
> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same
> vernacular.
>
>
>
> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could use some 
more grit.

In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never affect 
positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the trying.  Becoming 
toxic themselves to those they are trying to shame/expose/coerce/educate/put 
down.  

What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he is 
being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to teach by 
example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my employee, I 
address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire them.  

Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble cause 
with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially impolitic ways, 
a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at antifa and proud 
boys.  

Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same reasons.  
The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying to advance.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck. 


On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:

  Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All ex-military, 
all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse and suffered a 
variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are always broke, angry, 
and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them so they don’t fly off 
the handle about anything.



  …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass judgement.



  On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels 
fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like 
they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.







  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political



  Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.  



  That is how I would describe some of my kids.



  The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.  



  Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just to 
be able to still see some of my kids.  

  Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime 
sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims 
just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in the 
woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.  



  Odd times

  I loved my parents and grandparents.  

  Never felt they had to earn it.  

  Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.  



  Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were 
separate all while the kids were growing.

  But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same 
vernacular. 



  Must have something to do with energy drinks I think. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Sean Heskett 


Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need to
go back to bed and get some rest.

-Sean

(For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)



On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could use
> some more grit.
>
> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
> affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>
> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he
> is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
> them.
>
> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at
> antifa and proud boys.
>
> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
> to advance.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>
>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse
>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them
>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
>> judgement.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels
>> fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
>> they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>
>>
>>
>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>
>>
>>
>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
>> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>
>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
>> sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
>> just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
>> the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>
>>
>>
>> Odd times
>>
>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>
>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>
>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>>
>>
>>
>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were
>> separate all while the kids were growing.
>>
>> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same
>> vernacular.
>>
>>
>>
>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Andy Trimmell 
The biggest problem is that people have created a barrier with politics to 
unlove people.  No one is allowed to just have an opinion. It has to be this 
emotional debate of the ages and if you’re not all in then you’re all out. 

 

All politicians lie. Bush lied to people, Obama lied to people, Trump lied and 
Biden has lied and is lying.  From pro-life to flat earther to BLM all of the 
people hating on each other have no humility or severely lack in it.  

 

I’ve watched all these sides willing to kill or die to be able or not be able 
to kill or die.  

 

It’s all sad and with social media gas lighting the most miniscule things it’s 
not going away. 

 

If I went and shunned my father because he truly believed Jimmy Carter was 
going to do good when he voted for him and it ended with my dad starving I 
wouldn’t have a relationship with, in my opinion, is the best dad a guy could 
have.

 

I don’t know about any of you but I’m out there in the world to create change 
and help people in my community. I hope anyone complaining about the world 
isn’t just sitting in their recliner and they’re doing the same thing.

 

I hope you all have a great day.

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 9:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.

 

 

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:

Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All 
ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse and 
suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are always 
broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them so they 
don’t fly off the handle about anything.

 

…..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass 
judgement.

 

On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels 
fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like 
they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.  

 

That is how I would describe some of my kids.

 

The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.  

 

Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners 
just to be able to still see some of my kids.  

Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a 
lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their 
whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in 
the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.  

 

Odd times

I loved my parents and grandparents.  

Never felt they had to earn it.  

Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.  

 

Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families 
were separate all while the kids were growing.

But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact 
same vernacular. 

 

Must have something to do with energy drinks I think. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Zach Underwood 
Calling out people does work but only if you have established relationships
and it is a relationship that both wish to keep going. It can help humanize
the problem and help the other person see the harm.

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 10:54 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could use
> some more grit.
>
> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
> affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>
> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he
> is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
> them.
>
> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at
> antifa and proud boys.
>
> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
> to advance.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>
>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse
>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them
>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
>> judgement.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels
>> fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
>> they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>
>>
>>
>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>
>>
>>
>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
>> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>
>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
>> sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
>> just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
>> the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>
>>
>>
>> Odd times
>>
>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>
>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>
>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>>
>>
>>
>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were
>> separate all while the kids were growing.
>>
>> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same
>> vernacular.
>>
>>
>>
>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
All my kids are late 20s to almost 40 years old.  They all are millenials.  The 
most “woke”  Jr high science teacher daughter is all on board with the idea 
that if a kid tells her he or she wants to change genders but they are afraid 
to tell their parents, then the school has to help the kid without telling the 
parents.  

One other daughter thinks society has created an oppressive situation making it 
impossible to prosper.  

I have a son and daughter with masters degrees, electrical engineering and 
forensic toxicology that are doing well.  

I have two other sons that are taking over running my company.  We get along 
very well and they are definitely unwoke.  

I have one daughter in England that is a commercial artist in the printing 
industry about to finish her master’s degree this semester.  She leans left but 
is very close to her mother and myself.

The “woke ones” are unhappier it seems and thin skinned.  Those are the ones I 
have to tip toe around and they get all butt hurt if I say the wrong thing.  

I never anticipated that some day I would have to pass a woke litmus test in 
order to earn a visit with grandchildren...

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:49 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All ex-military, 
all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse and suffered a 
variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are always broke, angry, 
and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them so they don’t fly off 
the handle about anything.

 

…..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass judgement.

 

On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels 
fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like 
they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.  

 

That is how I would describe some of my kids.

 

The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.  

 

Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just to 
be able to still see some of my kids.  

Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime 
sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims 
just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in the 
woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.  

 

Odd times

I loved my parents and grandparents.  

Never felt they had to earn it.  

Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.  

 

Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were 
separate all while the kids were growing.

But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same 
vernacular. 

 

Must have something to do with energy drinks I think. 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Josh Luthman 
It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want a
libertarian!

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> 
>
> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need to
> go back to bed and get some rest.
>
> -Sean
>
> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
> conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could use
>> some more grit.
>>
>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
>> affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
>> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>
>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he
>> is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
>> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
>> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
>> them.
>>
>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
>> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at
>> antifa and proud boys.
>>
>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
>> to advance.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse
>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
>>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them
>>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
>>> judgement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels
>>> fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
>>> they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
>>> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>>
>>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
>>> sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
>>> just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
>>> the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Odd times
>>>
>>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>>
>>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>>
>>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were
>>> separate all while the kids were growing.
>>>
>>> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same
>>> vernacular.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Sean Heskett 
Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
Bobert elected lol :-/

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want a
> libertarian!
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need
>> to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
>> conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could
>>> use some more grit.
>>>
>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
>>> affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
>>> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>>
>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he
>>> is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
>>> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
>>> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
>>> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at
>>> antifa and proud boys.
>>>
>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>>> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
>>> to advance.
>>>
>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>
>>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>>>
 Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
 ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse
 and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
 always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them
 so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.



 …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
 judgement.



 On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels
 fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
 they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.







 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political



 Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.



 That is how I would describe some of my kids.



 The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.



 Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
 just to be able to still see some of my kids.

 Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
 lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at
 their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half
 hour walk in the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.



 Odd times

 I loved my parents and grandparents.

 Never felt they had to earn it.

 Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.



 Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families
 were separate all while the kids were growing.

 But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact
 same vernacular.



 Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread D. Bernardi 

At 10:48 AM 5/19/2022, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Well, maybe their thin skin needs some 
toughening up.  Everyone could use some more grit.


In my experience, those that feel compelled to 
“call out” people never affect positive 
change.  And frequently they harm themselves in 
the trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those 
they are trying to shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.


What good does it do to tell some red necked 
construction worker that he is being racist?  I 
just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to teach by



Because they implicitly think it's OK if you 
laugh/smile/nod/do nothing at their racist comment?



example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, 
if they are my employee, I address the concern 
in private.  If they don’t change I fire them.



So you do for some, just not within earshot of others.




Social justice warriors are idiots in my 
opinion.  They invent a noble cause with which 
to enshroud themselves while acting out in 
socially impolitic ways, a good reason, in their 
mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at antifa and proud boys.



Exact same people, doing the exact same things, 
for the exact same reasons.  The ONLY difference 
is some contrived battle line they are trying to advance.



And that one side tends to lie/conspire more and is more violent.


You may think I'm one of those liberals but I was 
voting mostly republican until a few years 
ago.  I'm a 60yo white guy, carry a 9mm, believe 
in samll/limited gov, capitalism, limited taxes, 
balanced budget, etc. but now it seems to be all 
about lies and having an enemy to attack (Dr. 
Suess, Dr. Fouci, Mr Potato Head, every Democrat 
regardless of their view).   WTF.







From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
-Original Message- 
From: D. Bernardi 

> At work, 
>if they are my employee, I address the concern 
>in private.  If they don’t change I fire them.

  So you do for some, just not within earshot of others.
Reprimand in private, praise in public, else you will lose employees.  
Are you an employer?  Do you publically shame employees?  If you do they will 
never learn.  


>for the exact same reasons.  The ONLY difference 
>is some contrived battle line they are trying to advance.


  And that one side tends to lie/conspire more and is more violent.
Which side is that?




>
>
>From: Cameron Crum
>Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>
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[AFMUG] OT more

2022-05-19 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
I would like to take a SJW that calls out people into a white redneck bar and 
watch them work.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Jason McKemie 
Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify as
libertarian, I don't do that anymore.

On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
> Bobert elected lol :-/
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want a
>> libertarian!
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need
>>> to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
>>> conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could
 use some more grit.

 In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
 affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
 trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
 shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.

 What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that
 he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
 teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
 employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
 them.

 Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
 cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
 impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at
 antifa and proud boys.

 Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
 reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
 to advance.

 *From:* Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.


 On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:

> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance 
> abuse
> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around 
> them
> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>
>
>
> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
> judgement.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the
> rebels fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel
> like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
> AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>
>
> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>
>
>
> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>
>
>
> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>
>
>
> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>
> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
> lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at
> their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half
> hour walk in the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>
>
>
> Odd times
>
> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>
> Never felt they had to earn it.
>
> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>
>
>
> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families
> were separate all while the kids were growing.
>
> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact
> same vernacular.
>
>
>
> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Sean Heskett 
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Lauren Bobert is a libertarian, she is
FAR from it.  What I meant was when the options are:

Moderate democrat
Whackadoodle republican (Bobert)
Libertarian

My 1st choice would be libertarian,
2nd choice would be moderate democrat (they do exist)
3rd choice is NOT the whackadoodle

In CO 35-40% of voters are republican, 35-40% democrat and 20-30%
independent

If I don’t vote for the democrat and vote for the libertarian there’s
enough republicans that my vote becomes a “throwaway” vote and i instead
inadvertently help the whackadoodle get elected.  Which is the WORST
possible outcome.

Ranked choice voting would solve this but that’s a discussion and a can of
worms for another thread/day lol.

-Sean



On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:47 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify as
> libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
>> Bobert elected lol :-/
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want
>>> a libertarian!
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 

 Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need
 to go back to bed and get some rest.

 -Sean

 (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
 conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)



 On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could
> use some more grit.
>
> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
> affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>
> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that
> he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
> them.
>
> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look 
> at
> antifa and proud boys.
>
> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are 
> trying
> to advance.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>
>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance 
>> abuse
>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around 
>> them
>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
>> judgement.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the
>> rebels fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah 
>> feel
>> like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
>> AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>
>>
>>
>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>
>>
>>
>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
>> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>
>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
>> lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at
>> their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half
>> hour walk in the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>
>>
>>
>> Odd times
>>
>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Jason McKemie 
Unfortunately most of the people identifying as libertarians these days (at
least the high profile ones) are whackadoodle republicans.

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Lauren Bobert is a libertarian, she is
> FAR from it.  What I meant was when the options are:
>
> Moderate democrat
> Whackadoodle republican (Bobert)
> Libertarian
>
> My 1st choice would be libertarian,
> 2nd choice would be moderate democrat (they do exist)
> 3rd choice is NOT the whackadoodle
>
> In CO 35-40% of voters are republican, 35-40% democrat and 20-30%
> independent
>
> If I don’t vote for the democrat and vote for the libertarian there’s
> enough republicans that my vote becomes a “throwaway” vote and i instead
> inadvertently help the whackadoodle get elected.  Which is the WORST
> possible outcome.
>
> Ranked choice voting would solve this but that’s a discussion and a can of
> worms for another thread/day lol.
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:47 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify
>> as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
>>> Bobert elected lol :-/
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want
 a libertarian!

 On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> 
>
> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all
> need to go back to bed and get some rest.
>
> -Sean
>
> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal,
> fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway
> vote)
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could
>> use some more grit.
>>
>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people
>> never affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
>> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>
>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that
>> he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
>> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
>> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
>> them.
>>
>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a
>> noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in 
>> socially
>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look 
>> at
>> antifa and proud boys.
>>
>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are 
>> trying
>> to advance.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance 
>>> abuse
>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
>>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around 
>>> them
>>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
>>> judgement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the
>>> rebels fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah 
>>> feel
>>> like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> via AF
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family
>>> dinners just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
Seems like an impossible problem.  But if you read news accounts from 200 years 
ago, horrible negative campaigning and actual fist fights were normal in 
political races.  

I vote no whackadoodles.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 5:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

Unfortunately most of the people identifying as libertarians these days (at 
least the high profile ones) are whackadoodle republicans.

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Lauren Bobert is a libertarian, she is FAR 
from it.  What I meant was when the options are:

  Moderate democrat 
  Whackadoodle republican (Bobert)
  Libertarian 

  My 1st choice would be libertarian, 
  2nd choice would be moderate democrat (they do exist)
  3rd choice is NOT the whackadoodle

  In CO 35-40% of voters are republican, 35-40% democrat and 20-30% independent

  If I don’t vote for the democrat and vote for the libertarian there’s enough 
republicans that my vote becomes a “throwaway” vote and i instead inadvertently 
help the whackadoodle get elected.  Which is the WORST possible outcome. 

  Ranked choice voting would solve this but that’s a discussion and a can of 
worms for another thread/day lol.  

  -Sean



  On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:47 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify as 
libertarian, I don't do that anymore.

On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren 
Bobert elected lol :-/

  On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want 
a libertarian!

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

   

  Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all 
need to go back to bed and get some rest.

  -Sean

  (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, 
fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)



  On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone 
could use some more grit.

In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people 
never affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the 
trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to 
shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.  

What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker 
that he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to 
teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my 
employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire them.  

Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a 
noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially 
impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at 
antifa and proud boys.  

Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same 
reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying to 
advance.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck. 


On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:

  Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All 
ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse and 
suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are always 
broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them so they 
don’t fly off the handle about anything.



  …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to 
pass judgement.



  On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the 
rebels fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like 
they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.







  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via 
AF
  Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political



  Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.  



  That is how I would describe some of my kids.



  The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.  



  Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family 
dinners just to be able to still see some of my kids.  

  Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a 
lifetime sentence, bu

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Darin Steffl 
I just want more compromise between the two major parties. If Dems could
learn to spend less and Republicans would stop attacking marginalized
people, we'd have a fairly normal government.

I'm also not a fan of how easy it is to buy guns. I know plenty of far
right nut jobs that make me nervous knowing they have a stockpile of guns
and ammo. The majority of mass shootings in the US are committed by white
males and most of them lean far right. I don't see many liberals out there
committing mass shootings.

It should be harder to buy a gun than to buy a car, get a license, adopt a
child, get a loan, become a cop, etc. Everyone should have extensive
training with target shooting and a psych eval. If anyone threatens
violence verbally or in writing, they should immediately lose the right to
possess a firearm. Make it possible but difficult to own guns and the
violence will decrease. Destroy guns that are found during crimes, offer
buyback programs, etc to start dwindling the supply. Strict gun control
works in other countries and it can work here too.

How many more people need to keep dying before the "pro-life" party gets
off their ass and does something about it?! If they claim it's a mental
health problem, then they should support psych evals in order to own
firearms.

On Thu, May 19, 2022, 6:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Seems like an impossible problem.  But if you read news accounts from 200
> years ago, horrible negative campaigning and actual fist fights were normal
> in political races.
>
> I vote no whackadoodles.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 5:32 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
> Unfortunately most of the people identifying as libertarians these days
> (at least the high profile ones) are whackadoodle republicans.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Lauren Bobert is a libertarian, she is
>> FAR from it.  What I meant was when the options are:
>>
>> Moderate democrat
>> Whackadoodle republican (Bobert)
>> Libertarian
>>
>> My 1st choice would be libertarian,
>> 2nd choice would be moderate democrat (they do exist)
>> 3rd choice is NOT the whackadoodle
>>
>> In CO 35-40% of voters are republican, 35-40% democrat and 20-30%
>> independent
>>
>> If I don’t vote for the democrat and vote for the libertarian there’s
>> enough republicans that my vote becomes a “throwaway” vote and i instead
>> inadvertently help the whackadoodle get elected.  Which is the WORST
>> possible outcome.
>>
>> Ranked choice voting would solve this but that’s a discussion and a can
>> of worms for another thread/day lol.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:47 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify
>>> as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
 Bobert elected lol :-/

 On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you
> want a libertarian!
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all
>> need to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal,
>> fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway
>> vote)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone
>>> could use some more grit.
>>>
>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people
>>> never affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in 
>>> the
>>> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>>
>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker
>>> that he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I 
>>> try
>>> to teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they 
>>> are my
>>> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a
>>> noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in 
>>> socially
>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  
>>> Look at
>>> antifa and proud boys.
>>>
>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>>> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contr

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

2022-05-19 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
Gun rights are not terribly high on my list of thing a deeply care about.  I 
want the right to go buy a gun if I want to go buy a gun.  If I have to pass a 
background check and wait a day or three, no big deal.  If they want to take my 
right away because I am a verified nut case or violent offender, OK fine.  

I do think that requiring a gun owner to have an insurance policy of $1M is not 
the worst idea.  You have to have insurance if you own that other lethal 
weapon, a car.  Why not a gun?  

Might calm some of it down.  Might make ownership harder.   
But in the end, bad guys will always have guns no matter where you live or what 
the laws are.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

I just want more compromise between the two major parties. If Dems could learn 
to spend less and Republicans would stop attacking marginalized people, we'd 
have a fairly normal government. 

I'm also not a fan of how easy it is to buy guns. I know plenty of far right 
nut jobs that make me nervous knowing they have a stockpile of guns and ammo. 
The majority of mass shootings in the US are committed by white males and most 
of them lean far right. I don't see many liberals out there committing mass 
shootings.

It should be harder to buy a gun than to buy a car, get a license, adopt a 
child, get a loan, become a cop, etc. Everyone should have extensive training 
with target shooting and a psych eval. If anyone threatens violence verbally or 
in writing, they should immediately lose the right to possess a firearm. Make 
it possible but difficult to own guns and the violence will decrease. Destroy 
guns that are found during crimes, offer buyback programs, etc to start 
dwindling the supply. Strict gun control works in other countries and it can 
work here too.

How many more people need to keep dying before the "pro-life" party gets off 
their ass and does something about it?! If they claim it's a mental health 
problem, then they should support psych evals in order to own firearms. 

On Thu, May 19, 2022, 6:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Seems like an impossible problem.  But if you read news accounts from 200 
years ago, horrible negative campaigning and actual fist fights were normal in 
political races.  

  I vote no whackadoodles.  

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 5:32 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

  Unfortunately most of the people identifying as libertarians these days (at 
least the high profile ones) are whackadoodle republicans.

  On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Lauren Bobert is a libertarian, she is 
FAR from it.  What I meant was when the options are:

Moderate democrat 
Whackadoodle republican (Bobert)
Libertarian 

My 1st choice would be libertarian, 
2nd choice would be moderate democrat (they do exist)
3rd choice is NOT the whackadoodle

In CO 35-40% of voters are republican, 35-40% democrat and 20-30% 
independent

If I don’t vote for the democrat and vote for the libertarian there’s 
enough republicans that my vote becomes a “throwaway” vote and i instead 
inadvertently help the whackadoodle get elected.  Which is the WORST possible 
outcome. 

Ranked choice voting would solve this but that’s a discussion and a can of 
worms for another thread/day lol.  

-Sean



On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:47 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify 
as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.

  On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:

Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren 
Bobert elected lol :-/

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you 
want a libertarian!

  On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

 

Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all 
need to go back to bed and get some rest.

-Sean

(For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, 
fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)



On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

  Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone 
could use some more grit.

  In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people 
never affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the 
trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to 
shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.  

  What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker 
that he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I ab