Re: [AFMUG] Solid 5GHz ptp backhaul solutions

[Jan-GAMs]

The af5xhd literature talks about increasing the link speeds by 
upgrading the software?  What do they mean?


On 3/23/22 22:10, Trey Scarborough wrote:


There is always the cambium PTP550  or radwin 2000-D they are both 
very solid platforms, but at the 2-4k a link for connectorized and 
dishes you get in to the realm of why not just spend the extra on a 
licensed radio...


On 3/22/2022 2:26 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

I have two AirFiber 5GHz HD links in operation for a water company..
They have been super solid...

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 1:18 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

My preferred radios for 5ghz backhauls are the Ubiquiti airfiber
5xHD.

I don't have any personal experience to speak of with Cambium PTP
stuff, other than ePMP for lower capacity links, but PTP670 is
probably the best 5ghz PTP radio out there, but it's pretty
pricey. The PTP 550 and Force 425 look pretty decent too, but I
haven't used either of those or heard a whole lot from people who
have.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:53 PM Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Two of the local WISPs have asked me what I would recommend
in 5GHz to replace their Ubiquiti and Cambium radios for
backhauls...
One of them tried Mimosa and went back to Ubiquiti...
What says the Borg?
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Re: [AFMUG] Solid 5GHz ptp backhaul solutions

[Josh Luthman]

Probably adding 12x modulation over 10x modulation when it first shipped.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 8:19 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> The af5xhd literature talks about increasing the link speeds by upgrading
> the software?  What do they mean?
> On 3/23/22 22:10, Trey Scarborough wrote:
>
> There is always the cambium PTP550  or radwin 2000-D they are both very
> solid platforms, but at the 2-4k a link for connectorized and dishes you
> get in to the realm of why not just spend the extra on a licensed radio...
> On 3/22/2022 2:26 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I have two AirFiber 5GHz HD links in operation for a water company..
> They have been super solid...
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 1:18 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> My preferred radios for 5ghz backhauls are the Ubiquiti airfiber 5xHD.
>>
>> I don't have any personal experience to speak of with Cambium PTP stuff,
>> other than ePMP for lower capacity links, but PTP670 is probably the best
>> 5ghz PTP radio out there, but it's pretty pricey. The PTP 550 and Force 425
>> look pretty decent too, but I haven't used either of those or heard a whole
>> lot from people who have.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:53 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Two of the local WISPs have asked me what I would recommend in 5GHz to
>>> replace their Ubiquiti and Cambium radios for backhauls...
>>> One of them tried Mimosa and went back to Ubiquiti...
>>> What says the Borg?
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Re: [AFMUG] Solid 5GHz ptp backhaul solutions

[dmmoffett]

+1

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solid 5GHz ptp backhaul solutions

 

Probably adding 12x modulation over 10x modulation when it first shipped.

 

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 8:19 AM Jan-GAMs mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > wrote:

The af5xhd literature talks about increasing the link speeds by upgrading the 
software?  What do they mean?

On 3/23/22 22:10, Trey Scarborough wrote:

There is always the cambium PTP550  or radwin 2000-D they are both very solid 
platforms, but at the 2-4k a link for connectorized and dishes you get in to 
the realm of why not just spend the extra on a licensed radio...

On 3/22/2022 2:26 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

I have two AirFiber 5GHz HD links in operation for a water company.. 

They have been super solid...

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 1:18 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

My preferred radios for 5ghz backhauls are the Ubiquiti airfiber 5xHD.  

 

I don't have any personal experience to speak of with Cambium PTP stuff, other 
than ePMP for lower capacity links, but PTP670 is probably the best 5ghz PTP 
radio out there, but it's pretty pricey. The PTP 550 and Force 425 look pretty 
decent too, but I haven't used either of those or heard a whole lot from people 
who have.

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:53 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Two of the local WISPs have asked me what I would recommend in 5GHz to replace 
their Ubiquiti and Cambium radios for backhauls... 

One of them tried Mimosa and went back to Ubiquiti...

What says the Borg? 

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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

[Nate Burke]

Took 5 days for the issue to surface again.  It seems that any change to 
the EPMP AP that causes a radio reset will clear the issue.  But 
disassociating or rebooting the SM will not.  The last time I changed 
the 'Reliable multicast' setting and it started working.  This time I 
changed the frame size from 2.5ms to 5ms and it started working.  But 
both of those changes caused the RF to reset, so I don't think that it's 
the setting so much as something in the AP network/rf stack getting 
reset.  I'll open a ticket with Cambium, but as infrequent as it is, I'm 
not sure what they'll be able to find.


On 3/22/2022 11:17 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
It has not happened again since Saturday, but that's the only AP out 
of the hundred deployed that I set that 'reliable multicast' setting 
on.  I think that it did cause an RF Drop when that setting was 
changed, so maybe just kicking the radio from the AP would be 
enough?  Every other site with the issue had multiple sectors, so 
kicking the SM From one AP would have it attach to another AP at the 
site and it would start working.  However rebooting the SM and it 
attaching back to the same AP does not fix it.  Need to wait another 
couple days for it to happen again to do some more testing.Â


On 3/22/2022 7:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


Interesting.  I think that initial offer is a broadcast 
packet…..maybe that “reliable multicast� setting affects 
broadcast as well?


Â

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2022 7:38 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

Â

I was able to get a packet capture while it while it was happening.  
Client had been running fine for about 3 days before it started 
erroring (3 hour DHCP Lease).  Nothing was logged with the firewall 
rules on the Mikrotik doing the DHCP Server.


I have a mikrotik between the 450SM an the EPMP AP, I was able to run 
a packet capture from there.  I ran it on the interface of the EPMP 
radio.  It was showing the DHCP Discover being sent to the Server, 
and the DHCP Offer being sent back to the client, but that was it, no 
DHCP Request Packet coming from the EPMP Interface.Â


On the EPMP AP,  I changed the 'Reliable Multicast' from Disabled to 
Enabled.  And the client immediately got a DHCP lease after saving 
that (No AP Reboot).  The DHCP Request Packet came back from the 
client as soon as the Discover/offer packets were sent.  I'm not 
convinced that was the issue, as I don't have it enabled on ay other 
EPMP radio on the network.  It seemed more like making a change in 
the AP reset something in the EPMP network stack.  It's just strange 
that it happens so randomly.


On 3/14/2022 7:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

The mikrotik that handles the dhcp relay or dhcp, log any input
firewall rules and see if its dropping the packets

Â

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 7:03 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Just had it happen on a newly installed EPMP1000<->EPMP1000
link.  AP and SM are both 2.4 non-GPS radios.  Feed to site
is a 450B off a450M AP.  Relay from barn to house using 2.4
EPMP 1000 radios.Â

Was working fine when I left,  3 hours later, DHCP lease
timed out (Mikrotik DHCP Lease time) and would not get new
lease.  Rebooting the 1000 Radio acting as the AP fixed
it.  If it happens again, I'll try to get a packetcapture
off it.

On 3/9/2022 10:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

the mikrotik is dhcp relay, BMIÂ is the dhcp server

Â

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:07 AM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Oh this is on the DHCP server, sorry.

Â

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:31 AM Steve Jones
 wrote:

we have to have it for dhcp relay to keep
functioning. otherwise it periodically stops
working from EPMP APs, I never knew why, mikrotik
had no answer, but it would suddenly get caught
up in non ACL drops add action=accept chain=input
comment="ALLOW DHCP UDP 67" dst-port=67
log-prefix=dhcp protocol=udp

Â

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:12 AM Josh Luthman
 wrote:

The input chain is to the Mikrotik itself, ie
the IP address that it would theoretically
get from the DHCP server.  I was thinking of
a managed Mikrotik as a demarc to the
customer's stuff (so forward chain).

Â

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 7:57 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

I had this issue a long time ago, id like
  

[AFMUG] Inventory software suggestion with API?

[Tushar Patel]

Any suggestions on inventory software, preferably it has API.

 

Thank you,



Tushar Patel, 

  tpa...@ecpi.com

  www.westernbroadband.com

(512) 257-2733

 

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[AFMUG] Web page development

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used companies 
from india a couple of times with mixed results. 
I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly 
creative.  
I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both design 
and marketing.

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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Steve Jones]

i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square
probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly.
Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture,
description, price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism.
Toilet friendly viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter
looking for products and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions
dont render correctly, pricing isnt there, images are not the actual
product. its really bad for bowels.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used
> companies from india a couple of times with mixed results.
> I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly
> creative.
> I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both
> design and marketing.
>
> Any advice?
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

[lists]

This one is really interesting to follow along with. Unfortunately, I am 
willing to bet support will eventually issue and RMA on it and send you a new 
unit with no real resolution.

 

Brandon

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

 

Took 5 days for the issue to surface again.  It seems that any change to the 
EPMP AP that causes a radio reset will clear the issue.  But disassociating or 
rebooting the SM will not.  The last time I changed the 'Reliable multicast' 
setting and it started working.  This time I changed the frame size from 2.5ms 
to 5ms and it started working.  But both of those changes caused the RF to 
reset, so I don't think that it's the setting so much as something in the AP 
network/rf stack getting reset.  I'll open a ticket with Cambium, but as 
infrequent as it is, I'm not sure what they'll be able to find.  

On 3/22/2022 11:17 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

It has not happened again since Saturday, but that's the only AP out of the 
hundred deployed that I set that 'reliable multicast' setting on.  I think 
that it did cause an RF Drop when that setting was changed, so maybe just 
kicking the radio from the AP would be enough?  Every other site with the 
issue had multiple sectors, so kicking the SM From one AP would have it attach 
to another AP at the site and it would start working.  However rebooting the 
SM and it attaching back to the same AP does not fix it.  Need to wait another 
couple days for it to happen again to do some more testing.  

On 3/22/2022 7:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com   wrote:

Interesting.  I think that initial offer is a broadcast packet…..maybe that 
“reliable multicast” setting affects broadcast as well?

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2022 7:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

 

I was able to get a packet capture while it while it was happening.  Client 
had been running fine for about 3 days before it started erroring (3 hour DHCP 
Lease).  Nothing was logged with the firewall rules on the Mikrotik doing the 
DHCP Server.

I have a mikrotik between the 450SM an the EPMP AP, I was able to run a packet 
capture from there.  I ran it on the interface of the EPMP radio.  It was 
showing the DHCP Discover being sent to the Server, and the DHCP Offer being 
sent back to the client, but that was it, no DHCP Request Packet coming from 
the EPMP Interface.  

On the EPMP AP,  I changed the 'Reliable Multicast' from Disabled to Enabled. 
 And the client immediately got a DHCP lease after saving that (No AP Reboot). 
 The DHCP Request Packet came back from the client as soon as the 
Discover/offer packets were sent.  I'm not convinced that was the issue, as I 
don't have it enabled on ay other EPMP radio on the network.  It seemed more 
like making a change in the AP reset something in the EPMP network stack.  
It's just strange that it happens so randomly.

On 3/14/2022 7:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

The mikrotik that handles the dhcp relay or dhcp, log any input firewall rules 
and see if its dropping the packets

 

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 7:03 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

Just had it happen on a newly installed EPMP1000<->EPMP1000 link.  AP and SM 
are both 2.4 non-GPS radios.  Feed to site is a 450B off a450M AP.  Relay 
from barn to house using 2.4 EPMP 1000 radios.  

Was working fine when I left,  3 hours later, DHCP lease timed out (Mikrotik 
DHCP Lease time) and would not get new lease.  Rebooting the 1000 Radio acting 
as the AP fixed it.  If it happens again, I'll try to get a packetcapture off 
it.

On 3/9/2022 10:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

the mikrotik is dhcp relay, BMIÂ is the dhcp server

 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:07 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Oh this is on the DHCP server, sorry.

 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:31 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

we have to have it for dhcp relay to keep functioning. otherwise it 
periodically stops working from EPMP APs, I never knew why, mikrotik had no 
answer, but it would suddenly get caught up in non ACL drops add action=accept 
chain=input comment="ALLOW DHCP UDP 67" dst-port=67 log-prefix=dhcp protocol=udp

 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:12 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

The input chain is to the Mikrotik itself, ie the IP address that it would 
theoretically get from the DHCP server.  I was thinking of a managed Mikrotik 
as a demarc to the customer's stuff (so forward chain).

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 7:57 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I had this issue a long time ago, id like to think that it was a firmware 
revision that resolved t

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

[Steve Jones]

have you tried the input allow udp 69 rule?

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:33 AM  wrote:

> This one is really interesting to follow along with. Unfortunately, I am
> willing to bet support will eventually issue and RMA on it and send you a
> new unit with no real resolution.
>
>
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:20 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures
>
>
>
> Took 5 days for the issue to surface again.  It seems that any change to
> the EPMP AP that causes a radio reset will clear the issue.  But
> disassociating or rebooting the SM will not.  The last time I changed the
> 'Reliable multicast' setting and it started working.  This time I changed
> the frame size from 2.5ms to 5ms and it started working.  But both of those
> changes caused the RF to reset, so I don't think that it's the setting so
> much as something in the AP network/rf stack getting reset.  I'll open a
> ticket with Cambium, but as infrequent as it is, I'm not sure what they'll
> be able to find.
>
> On 3/22/2022 11:17 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> It has not happened again since Saturday, but that's the only AP out of
> the hundred deployed that I set that 'reliable multicast' setting on.  I
> think that it did cause an RF Drop when that setting was changed, so maybe
> just kicking the radio from the AP would be enough?  Every other site with
> the issue had multiple sectors, so kicking the SM From one AP would have it
> attach to another AP at the site and it would start working.  However
> rebooting the SM and it attaching back to the same AP does not fix it.Â
> Need to wait another couple days for it to happen again to do some more
> testing.Â
>
> On 3/22/2022 7:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I think that initial offer is a broadcast packet…..maybe
> that “reliable multicast†setting affects broadcast as well?
>
> Â
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2022 7:38 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures
>
> Â
>
> I was able to get a packet capture while it while it was happening.Â
> Client had been running fine for about 3 days before it started erroring (3
> hour DHCP Lease).  Nothing was logged with the firewall rules on the
> Mikrotik doing the DHCP Server.
>
> I have a mikrotik between the 450SM an the EPMP AP, I was able to run a
> packet capture from there.  I ran it on the interface of the EPMP radio.Â
> It was showing the DHCP Discover being sent to the Server, and the DHCP
> Offer being sent back to the client, but that was it, no DHCP Request
> Packet coming from the EPMP Interface.Â
>
> On the EPMP AP,  I changed the 'Reliable Multicast' from Disabled to
> Enabled.  And the client immediately got a DHCP lease after saving that
> (No AP Reboot).  The DHCP Request Packet came back from the client as soon
> as the Discover/offer packets were sent.  I'm not convinced that was the
> issue, as I don't have it enabled on ay other EPMP radio on the network.Â
> It seemed more like making a change in the AP reset something in the EPMP
> network stack.  It's just strange that it happens so randomly.
>
> On 3/14/2022 7:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> The mikrotik that handles the dhcp relay or dhcp, log any input firewall
> rules and see if its dropping the packets
>
> Â
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 7:03 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Just had it happen on a newly installed EPMP1000<->EPMP1000 link.  AP and
> SM are both 2.4 non-GPS radios.  Feed to site is a 450B off a450M AP.Â
> Relay from barn to house using 2.4 EPMP 1000 radios.Â
>
> Was working fine when I left,  3 hours later, DHCP lease timed out
> (Mikrotik DHCP Lease time) and would not get new lease.  Rebooting the
> 1000 Radio acting as the AP fixed it.  If it happens again, I'll try to
> get a packetcapture off it.
>
> On 3/9/2022 10:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> the mikrotik is dhcp relay, BMIÂ is the dhcp server
>
> Â
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:07 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Oh this is on the DHCP server, sorry.
>
> Â
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:31 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> we have to have it for dhcp relay to keep functioning. otherwise it
> periodically stops working from EPMP APs, I never knew why, mikrotik had no
> answer, but it would suddenly get caught up in non ACL drops add
> action=accept chain=input comment="ALLOW DHCP UDP 67" dst-port=67
> log-prefix=dhcp protocol=udp
>
> Â
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:12 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> The input chain is to the Mikrotik itself, ie the IP address that it would
> theoretically get from the DHCP server.  I was thinking of a managed
> Mikrotik as a demarc to the customer's stuff (so forward chain).
>
> Â
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 7:57 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I had this issue a long time ago, id like to think that it was a firmware
> revision that resolved t

Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Chuck McCown via AF]

It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square 
probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly. 
Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture, description, 
price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism. Toilet friendly 
viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter looking for products 
and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions dont render correctly, 
pricing isnt there, images are not the actual product. its really bad for 
bowels.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used companies 
from india a couple of times with mixed results. 
  I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly 
creative.  
  I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both design 
and marketing.

  Any advice?

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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

[Nate Burke]

I just added it, but not sure why it would be a Mikrotik rule if the 
only change I make is to the EPMP AP and it starts working.  Unless the 
EPMP is somehow modifying the packet in a way the mikrotik doesn't 
like?  But why does it decide to suddenly start modifying it.


On 3/24/2022 11:59 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

have you tried the input allow udp 69 rule?

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:33 AM > wrote:


This one is really interesting to follow along with.
Unfortunately, I am willing to bet support will eventually issue
and RMA on it and send you a new unit with no real resolution.

Brandon

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:20 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

Took 5 days for the issue to surface again.  It seems that any
change to the EPMP AP that causes a radio reset will clear the
issue.  But disassociating or rebooting the SM will not.  The last
time I changed the 'Reliable multicast' setting and it started
working.  This time I changed the frame size from 2.5ms to 5ms and
it started working.  But both of those changes caused the RF to
reset, so I don't think that it's the setting so much as something
in the AP network/rf stack getting reset.  I'll open a ticket with
Cambium, but as infrequent as it is, I'm not sure what they'll be
able to find.

On 3/22/2022 11:17 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

It has not happened again since Saturday, but that's the only
AP out of the hundred deployed that I set that 'reliable
multicast' setting on.  I think that it did cause an RF Drop
when that setting was changed, so maybe just kicking the radio
from the AP would be enough?  Every other site with the issue
had multiple sectors, so kicking the SM From one AP would have
it attach to another AP at the site and it would start
working.  However rebooting the SM and it attaching back to
the same AP does not fix it.  Need to wait another couple
days for it to happen again to do some more testing.Â

On 3/22/2022 7:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com
 wrote:

Interesting.  I think that initial offer is a broadcast
packet…..maybe that “reliable multicast†setting
affects broadcast as well?

Â

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2022 7:38 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

Â

I was able to get a packet capture while it while it was
happening.  Client had been running fine for about 3 days
before it started erroring (3 hour DHCP Lease).  Nothing
was logged with the firewall rules on the Mikrotik doing
the DHCP Server.

I have a mikrotik between the 450SM an the EPMP AP, I was
able to run a packet capture from there.  I ran it on the
interface of the EPMP radio.  It was showing the DHCP
Discover being sent to the Server, and the DHCP Offer
being sent back to the client, but that was it, no DHCP
Request Packet coming from the EPMP Interface.Â

On the EPMP AP,  I changed the 'Reliable Multicast' from
Disabled to Enabled.  And the client immediately got a
DHCP lease after saving that (No AP Reboot).  The DHCP
Request Packet came back from the client as soon as the
Discover/offer packets were sent.  I'm not convinced that
was the issue, as I don't have it enabled on ay other EPMP
radio on the network. It seemed more like making a change
in the AP reset something in the EPMP network stack. 
It's just strange that it happens so randomly.


On 3/14/2022 7:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

The mikrotik that handles the dhcp relay or dhcp, log
any input firewall rules and see if its dropping the
packets

Â

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 7:03 PM Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Just had it happen on a newly installed
EPMP1000<->EPMP1000 link.  AP and SM are both 2.4
non-GPS radios.  Feed to site is a 450B off a450M
AP.  Relay from barn to house using 2.4 EPMP 1000
radios.Â

Was working fine when I left,  3 hours later,
DHCP lease timed out (Mikrotik DHCP Lease time)
and would not

Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[TJ Trout]

Fiverr or upwork

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>
> i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square
> probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly.
> Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture,
> description, price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism.
> Toilet friendly viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter
> looking for products and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions
> dont render correctly, pricing isnt there, images are not the actual
> product. its really bad for bowels.
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used
>> companies from india a couple of times with mixed results.
>> I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly
>> creative.
>> I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both
>> design and marketing.
>>
>> Any advice?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Are they service bureau companies or is this software?

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

Fiverr or upwork

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

  i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square 
probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly. 
Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture, description, 
price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism. Toilet friendly 
viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter looking for products 
and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions dont render correctly, 
pricing isnt there, images are not the actual product. its really bad for 
bowels.

  On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used 
companies from india a couple of times with mixed results. 
I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly 
creative.  
I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both 
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

[Steve Jones]

If you can figure out why it works, id love to know, assuming it solves
your issue like it did for me. It made no sense to me, but it worked. Id
prefer to know the root cause so I can have a correctly configured network
rather than cobbled stuff

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:15 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I just added it, but not sure why it would be a Mikrotik rule if the only
> change I make is to the EPMP AP and it starts working.  Unless the EPMP is
> somehow modifying the packet in a way the mikrotik doesn't like?  But why
> does it decide to suddenly start modifying it.
>
> On 3/24/2022 11:59 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> have you tried the input allow udp 69 rule?
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:33 AM  wrote:
>
>> This one is really interesting to follow along with. Unfortunately, I am
>> willing to bet support will eventually issue and RMA on it and send you a
>> new unit with no real resolution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:20 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com
>> >
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures
>>
>>
>>
>> Took 5 days for the issue to surface again.  It seems that any change to
>> the EPMP AP that causes a radio reset will clear the issue.  But
>> disassociating or rebooting the SM will not.  The last time I changed the
>> 'Reliable multicast' setting and it started working.  This time I changed
>> the frame size from 2.5ms to 5ms and it started working.  But both of those
>> changes caused the RF to reset, so I don't think that it's the setting so
>> much as something in the AP network/rf stack getting reset.  I'll open a
>> ticket with Cambium, but as infrequent as it is, I'm not sure what they'll
>> be able to find.
>>
>> On 3/22/2022 11:17 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> It has not happened again since Saturday, but that's the only AP out of
>> the hundred deployed that I set that 'reliable multicast' setting on.  I
>> think that it did cause an RF Drop when that setting was changed, so maybe
>> just kicking the radio from the AP would be enough?  Every other site with
>> the issue had multiple sectors, so kicking the SM From one AP would have it
>> attach to another AP at the site and it would start working.  However
>> rebooting the SM and it attaching back to the same AP does not fix it.Â
>> Need to wait another couple days for it to happen again to do some more
>> testing.Â
>>
>> On 3/22/2022 7:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Interesting.  I think that initial offer is a broadcast packet…..maybe
>> that “reliable multicast†setting affects broadcast as well?
>>
>> Â
>>
>> *From:* AF 
>>  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2022 7:38 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures
>>
>> Â
>>
>> I was able to get a packet capture while it while it was happening.Â
>> Client had been running fine for about 3 days before it started erroring (3
>> hour DHCP Lease).  Nothing was logged with the firewall rules on the
>> Mikrotik doing the DHCP Server.
>>
>> I have a mikrotik between the 450SM an the EPMP AP, I was able to run a
>> packet capture from there.  I ran it on the interface of the EPMP radio.Â
>> It was showing the DHCP Discover being sent to the Server, and the DHCP
>> Offer being sent back to the client, but that was it, no DHCP Request
>> Packet coming from the EPMP Interface.Â
>>
>> On the EPMP AP,  I changed the 'Reliable Multicast' from Disabled to
>> Enabled.  And the client immediately got a DHCP lease after saving that
>> (No AP Reboot).  The DHCP Request Packet came back from the client as soon
>> as the Discover/offer packets were sent.  I'm not convinced that was the
>> issue, as I don't have it enabled on ay other EPMP radio on the network.Â
>> It seemed more like making a change in the AP reset something in the EPMP
>> network stack.  It's just strange that it happens so randomly.
>>
>> On 3/14/2022 7:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> The mikrotik that handles the dhcp relay or dhcp, log any input firewall
>> rules and see if its dropping the packets
>>
>> Â
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 7:03 PM Nate Burke < 
>> n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just had it happen on a newly installed EPMP1000<->EPMP1000 link.  AP
>> and SM are both 2.4 non-GPS radios.  Feed to site is a 450B off a450M
>> AP.  Relay from barn to house using 2.4 EPMP 1000 radios.Â
>>
>> Was working fine when I left,  3 hours later, DHCP lease timed out
>> (Mikrotik DHCP Lease time) and would not get new lease.  Rebooting the
>> 1000 Radio acting as the AP fixed it.  If it happens again, I'll try to
>> get a packetcapture off it.
>>
>> On 3/9/2022 10:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> the mikrotik is dhcp relay, BMIÂ is the dhcp server
>>
>> Â
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:07 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh this is on the DHCP server, sorry.
>>
>> Â
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[TJ Trout]

Marketplace for that type of thing, you can usually find someone decent.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Are they service bureau companies or is this software?
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>
> Fiverr or upwork
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>>
>> i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square
>> probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly.
>> Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture,
>> description, price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism.
>> Toilet friendly viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter
>> looking for products and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions
>> dont render correctly, pricing isnt there, images are not the actual
>> product. its really bad for bowels.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used
>>> companies from india a couple of times with mixed results.
>>> I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly
>>> creative.
>>> I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both
>>> design and marketing.
>>>
>>> Any advice?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Cameron Crum]

I have a fully responsive template I've built for a couple of wisps that
can be styled to your liking. I would be happy to show it to you. It is
fairly simple but includes the basics like a package list, contact, and can
include some qualification features like looking up your service addresses
and such when they make an inquiry for their address to validate service. I
might have to push it up to a web server to show but let me know if you'd
like to see it.



On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Are they service bureau companies or is this software?
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>
> Fiverr or upwork
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>>
>> i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square
>> probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly.
>> Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture,
>> description, price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism.
>> Toilet friendly viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter
>> looking for products and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions
>> dont render correctly, pricing isnt there, images are not the actual
>> product. its really bad for bowels.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used
>>> companies from india a couple of times with mixed results.
>>> I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly
>>> creative.
>>> I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both
>>> design and marketing.
>>>
>>> Any advice?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

[dmmoffett]

Well….those packet captures were done on Mikrotik, right?  

 

One thing I found out accidentally is if the Mikrotik firewall is dropping the 
packet then it will not show up in the packet capture.  So it might fit I 
guess…..would be very odd, but we’ve seen weirder stuff than that I’m sure.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 1:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

 

If you can figure out why it works, id love to know, assuming it solves your 
issue like it did for me. It made no sense to me, but it worked. Id prefer to 
know the root cause so I can have a correctly configured network rather than 
cobbled stuff

 

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:15 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I just added it, but not sure why it would be a Mikrotik rule if the only 
change I make is to the EPMP AP and it starts working.  Unless the EPMP is 
somehow modifying the packet in a way the mikrotik doesn't like?  But why does 
it decide to suddenly start modifying it.  

On 3/24/2022 11:59 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

have you tried the input allow udp 69 rule?

 

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:33 AM mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net> > wrote:

This one is really interesting to follow along with. Unfortunately, I am 
willing to bet support will eventually issue and RMA on it and send you a new 
unit with no real resolution.

 

Brandon

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

 

Took 5 days for the issue to surface again.  It seems that any change to the 
EPMP AP that causes a radio reset will clear the issue.  But disassociating or 
rebooting the SM will not.  The last time I changed the 'Reliable multicast' 
setting and it started working.  This time I changed the frame size from 2.5ms 
to 5ms and it started working.  But both of those changes caused the RF to 
reset, so I don't think that it's the setting so much as something in the AP 
network/rf stack getting reset.  I'll open a ticket with Cambium, but as 
infrequent as it is, I'm not sure what they'll be able to find.  

On 3/22/2022 11:17 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

It has not happened again since Saturday, but that's the only AP out of the 
hundred deployed that I set that 'reliable multicast' setting on.  I think 
that it did cause an RF Drop when that setting was changed, so maybe just 
kicking the radio from the AP would be enough?  Every other site with the 
issue had multiple sectors, so kicking the SM From one AP would have it attach 
to another AP at the site and it would start working.  However rebooting the 
SM and it attaching back to the same AP does not fix it.  Need to wait another 
couple days for it to happen again to do some more testing.  

On 3/22/2022 7:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com   wrote:

Interesting.  I think that initial offer is a broadcast packet…..maybe that 
“reliable multicast†setting affects broadcast as well?

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2022 7:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

 

I was able to get a packet capture while it while it was happening.  Client 
had been running fine for about 3 days before it started erroring (3 hour DHCP 
Lease).  Nothing was logged with the firewall rules on the Mikrotik doing the 
DHCP Server.

I have a mikrotik between the 450SM an the EPMP AP, I was able to run a packet 
capture from there.  I ran it on the interface of the EPMP radio.  It was 
showing the DHCP Discover being sent to the Server, and the DHCP Offer being 
sent back to the client, but that was it, no DHCP Request Packet coming from 
the EPMP Interface.  

On the EPMP AP,  I changed the 'Reliable Multicast' from Disabled to Enabled. 
 And the client immediately got a DHCP lease after saving that (No AP Reboot). 
 The DHCP Request Packet came back from the client as soon as the 
Discover/offer packets were sent.  I'm not convinced that was the issue, as I 
don't have it enabled on ay other EPMP radio on the network.  It seemed more 
like making a change in the AP reset something in the EPMP network stack.  
It's just strange that it happens so randomly.

On 3/14/2022 7:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

The mikrotik that handles the dhcp relay or dhcp, log any input firewall rules 
and see if its dropping the packets

 

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 7:03 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

Just had it happen on a newly installed EPMP1000<->EPMP1000 link.  AP and SM 
are both 2.4 non-GPS radios.  Feed to site is a 450B off a450M AP.  Relay 
from barn to house using 2.4 EPMP 1000 radios.  

Was working fine when I left,  3 hours later, DHCP lease timed out (Mikrot

Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[dmmoffett]

Maybe 1 out of 10 ISP’s has a snazzy web page.  You’ll be good company if yours 
sucks too.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

 

It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

 

i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square 
probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly. 
Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture, description, 
price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism. Toilet friendly 
viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter looking for products 
and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions dont render correctly, 
pricing isnt there, images are not the actual product. its really bad for 
bowels.

 

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used companies 
from india a couple of times with mixed results. 

I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly 
creative.  

I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both design 
and marketing.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Sure, love to see it.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

I have a fully responsive template I've built for a couple of wisps that can be 
styled to your liking. I would be happy to show it to you. It is fairly simple 
but includes the basics like a package list, contact, and can include some 
qualification features like looking up your service addresses and such when 
they make an inquiry for their address to validate service. I might have to 
push it up to a web server to show but let me know if you'd like to see it.  



On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Are they service bureau companies or is this software?

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

  Fiverr or upwork

  On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square 
probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly. 
Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture, description, 
price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism. Toilet friendly 
viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter looking for products 
and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions dont render correctly, 
pricing isnt there, images are not the actual product. its really bad for 
bowels.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

  Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used 
companies from india a couple of times with mixed results. 
  I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly 
creative.  
  I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both 
design and marketing.

  Any advice?

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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development


Cameron,

I would love to see it also.




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I have a fully responsive template I've built for a couple of wisps that can be styled to your liking. I would be happy to show it to you. It is fairly simple but includes the basics like a package list, contact, and can include some qualification features like looking up your service addresses and such when they make an inquiry for their address to validate service. I might have to push it up to a web server to show but let me know if you'd like to see it. 



On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:




Are they service bureau companies or is this software?
 
From: TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
 
Fiverr or upwork
 
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:




It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.  
 
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
 
i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly. Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture, description, price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism. Toilet friendly viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter looking for products and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions dont render correctly, pricing isnt there, images are not the actual product. its really bad for bowels.
 
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:




Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used companies from india a couple of times with mixed results. 
I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly creative.  
I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both design and marketing.
 
Any advice?
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Andy Trimmell]

I recommend Fiverr.com 

 

Pick someone out and read the reviews. Plenty of options. I've used it
several times and was always satisfied with my investment.

 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

 

 

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Subject: [AFMUG] Web page development

 

Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used
companies from india a couple of times with mixed results. 

I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly
creative.  

I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both
design and marketing.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

[Josh Luthman]

Did Cambium give you the back door key to troubleshoot these kinds of
issues?

I worked with Dmitry to find an extremely weird bug on the 3000 light omni
- went as far as to solder an rs232 jack on it.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:21 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Took 5 days for the issue to surface again.  It seems that any change to
> the EPMP AP that causes a radio reset will clear the issue.  But
> disassociating or rebooting the SM will not.  The last time I changed the
> 'Reliable multicast' setting and it started working.  This time I changed
> the frame size from 2.5ms to 5ms and it started working.  But both of those
> changes caused the RF to reset, so I don't think that it's the setting so
> much as something in the AP network/rf stack getting reset.  I'll open a
> ticket with Cambium, but as infrequent as it is, I'm not sure what they'll
> be able to find.
>
> On 3/22/2022 11:17 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> It has not happened again since Saturday, but that's the only AP out of
> the hundred deployed that I set that 'reliable multicast' setting on.  I
> think that it did cause an RF Drop when that setting was changed, so maybe
> just kicking the radio from the AP would be enough?  Every other site with
> the issue had multiple sectors, so kicking the SM From one AP would have it
> attach to another AP at the site and it would start working.  However
> rebooting the SM and it attaching back to the same AP does not fix it.Â
> Need to wait another couple days for it to happen again to do some more
> testing.Â
>
> On 3/22/2022 7:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I think that initial offer is a broadcast packet…..maybe
> that “reliable multicast†setting affects broadcast as well?
>
> Â
>
> *From:* AF 
>  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2022 7:38 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures
>
> Â
>
> I was able to get a packet capture while it while it was happening.Â
> Client had been running fine for about 3 days before it started erroring (3
> hour DHCP Lease).  Nothing was logged with the firewall rules on the
> Mikrotik doing the DHCP Server.
>
> I have a mikrotik between the 450SM an the EPMP AP, I was able to run a
> packet capture from there.  I ran it on the interface of the EPMP radio.Â
> It was showing the DHCP Discover being sent to the Server, and the DHCP
> Offer being sent back to the client, but that was it, no DHCP Request
> Packet coming from the EPMP Interface.Â
>
> On the EPMP AP,  I changed the 'Reliable Multicast' from Disabled to
> Enabled.  And the client immediately got a DHCP lease after saving that
> (No AP Reboot).  The DHCP Request Packet came back from the client as soon
> as the Discover/offer packets were sent.  I'm not convinced that was the
> issue, as I don't have it enabled on ay other EPMP radio on the network.Â
> It seemed more like making a change in the AP reset something in the EPMP
> network stack.  It's just strange that it happens so randomly.
>
> On 3/14/2022 7:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> The mikrotik that handles the dhcp relay or dhcp, log any input firewall
> rules and see if its dropping the packets
>
> Â
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 7:03 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Just had it happen on a newly installed EPMP1000<->EPMP1000 link.  AP and
> SM are both 2.4 non-GPS radios.  Feed to site is a 450B off a450M AP.Â
> Relay from barn to house using 2.4 EPMP 1000 radios.Â
>
> Was working fine when I left,  3 hours later, DHCP lease timed out
> (Mikrotik DHCP Lease time) and would not get new lease.  Rebooting the
> 1000 Radio acting as the AP fixed it.  If it happens again, I'll try to
> get a packetcapture off it.
>
> On 3/9/2022 10:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> the mikrotik is dhcp relay, BMIÂ is the dhcp server
>
> Â
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:07 AM Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> Oh this is on the DHCP server, sorry.
>
> Â
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:31 AM Steve Jones < 
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> we have to have it for dhcp relay to keep functioning. otherwise it
> periodically stops working from EPMP APs, I never knew why, mikrotik had no
> answer, but it would suddenly get caught up in non ACL drops add
> action=accept chain=input comment="ALLOW DHCP UDP 67" dst-port=67
> log-prefix=dhcp protocol=udp
>
> Â
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:12 AM Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> The input chain is to the Mikrotik itself, ie the IP address that it would
> theoretically get from the DHCP server.  I was thinking of a managed
> Mikrotik as a demarc to the customer's stuff (so forward chain).
>
> Â
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 7:57 PM Steve Jones < 
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had this issue a long time ago, id like to think that it was a firmware
> revision that resolved the issue, but it was a long time ago and im
> partially retarded.Â
>
> If you have a mikrotik, add an input 

Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Jason McKemie]

I'm interested as well.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I have a fully responsive template I've built for a couple of wisps that
> can be styled to your liking. I would be happy to show it to you. It is
> fairly simple but includes the basics like a package list, contact, and can
> include some qualification features like looking up your service addresses
> and such when they make an inquiry for their address to validate service. I
> might have to push it up to a web server to show but let me know if you'd
> like to see it.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Are they service bureau companies or is this software?
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>>
>> Fiverr or upwork
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>>>
>>> i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square
>>> probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly.
>>> Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture,
>>> description, price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism.
>>> Toilet friendly viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter
>>> looking for products and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions
>>> dont render correctly, pricing isnt there, images are not the actual
>>> product. its really bad for bowels.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used
 companies from india a couple of times with mixed results.
 I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly
 creative.
 I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both
 design and marketing.

 Any advice?

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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Josh Luthman]

https://inxfiber.com

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 4:58 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm interested as well.
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> I have a fully responsive template I've built for a couple of wisps that
>> can be styled to your liking. I would be happy to show it to you. It is
>> fairly simple but includes the basics like a package list, contact, and can
>> include some qualification features like looking up your service addresses
>> and such when they make an inquiry for their address to validate service. I
>> might have to push it up to a web server to show but let me know if you'd
>> like to see it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are they service bureau companies or is this software?
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>>>
>>> Fiverr or upwork
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.

 *From:* Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

 i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. Square
 probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user friendly.
 Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture,
 description, price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism.
 Toilet friendly viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter
 looking for products and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions
 dont render correctly, pricing isnt there, images are not the actual
 product. its really bad for bowels.

 On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used
> companies from india a couple of times with mixed results.
> I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not terribly
> creative.
> I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at both
> design and marketing.
>
> Any advice?
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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Jan-GAMs]

EasyDNS.com has a build it yerself one if Crum can't do better, I'm sure 
his will impress.  They can sell you the service pretty cheap, even 
mailboxes.


On 3/24/22 14:31, Josh Luthman wrote:

https://inxfiber.com

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 4:58 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:


I'm interested as well.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022, Cameron Crum  wrote:

I have a fully responsive template I've built for a couple of
wisps that can be styled to your liking. I would be happy to
show it to you. It is fairly simple but includes the basics
like a package list, contact, and can include some
qualification features like looking up your service addresses
and such when they make an inquiry for their address to
validate service. I might have to push it up to a web server
to show but let me know if you'd like to see it.



On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

Are they service bureau companies or is this software?
*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
Fiverr or upwork
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage
flat page. Square probably have wysiwyg e-commerce
stuff thats probably pretty user friendly. Also
depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want
picture, description, price, whistlebops and nifty
poppers are for kids with autism. Toilet friendly
viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the
shitter looking for products and popup ads wont move
out of the way, descriptions dont render correctly,
pricing isnt there, images are not the actual product.
its really bad for bowels.
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage
done.  I have used companies from india a couple
of times with mixed results.
I have tried local folks that were expensive and
slow and not terribly creative.
I do them myself if they are not too complex but I
am horrible at both design and marketing.
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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I did what I have.  It is easy, it looks bush league.  I am not a good graphic 
designer.   Prefer to pay some else to do it.  

From: Jan-GAMs 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 4:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

EasyDNS.com has a build it yerself one if Crum can't do better, I'm sure his 
will impress.  They can sell you the service pretty cheap, even mailboxes.  


On 3/24/22 14:31, Josh Luthman wrote:

  https://inxfiber.com

  On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 4:58 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I'm interested as well.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  I have a fully responsive template I've built for a couple of wisps that 
can be styled to your liking. I would be happy to show it to you. It is fairly 
simple but includes the basics like a package list, contact, and can include 
some qualification features like looking up your service addresses and such 
when they make an inquiry for their address to validate service. I might have 
to push it up to a web server to show but let me know if you'd like to see it.  



  On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

Are they service bureau companies or is this software?

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

Fiverr or upwork

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

  It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

  i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page. 
Square probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user 
friendly. Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture, 
description, price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with autism. 
Toilet friendly viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter 
looking for products and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions dont 
render correctly, pricing isnt there, images are not the actual product. its 
really bad for bowels.

  On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used 
companies from india a couple of times with mixed results. 
I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not 
terribly creative.  
I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at 
both design and marketing.

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