[AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE

[Carl Peterson]

If a reverse power situation let's say I had four 24V Gige POE injectors.
Each connected to a 800-GigE-POE and set to extract the power.  Now I
wanted to combine them into one input to power a small switch so that any
or all of them could power the switch.  Would I need a diode(s) or is there
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[AFMUG] Battery supplier

[Josh Baird]

We typically use smaller 20-50ah SLA batteries from Zeus, eBay, etc, but
I'm looking to deploy some front-terminal 75-100ah batteries at a new
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Northstar Blue keeps coming up, but they seem to be super expensive.  What
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Re: [AFMUG] Round to flat wire connector / Bussbar

[Carl Peterson]

Strap clamps - something like this:
  https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-58r-112s-2

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 6:54 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Do you guys have any suggestions for putting these batteries in series? In
> particular how to terminate wire or a busbar to flat aluminum or copper
> tabs?
>
> I could cut some square bar stock and clamp with bolts or spot weld but I
> was hoping to find a mechanical connector that can pinch the tab and accept
> a 10awg wire (like a bonding/grounding type connector?)
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

[Carl Peterson]

For backup applications you should use Reds.  We use Red HTs.  Worth it
IMHO.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> We typically use smaller 20-50ah SLA batteries from Zeus, eBay, etc, but
> I'm looking to deploy some front-terminal 75-100ah batteries at a new
> site.
>
> Northstar Blue keeps coming up, but they seem to be super expensive.  What
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

[Josh Baird]

Ahh - I see blues at many cell sites on their DC plants.  Do you have a
favorite supplier?

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> For backup applications you should use Reds.  We use Red HTs.  Worth it
> IMHO.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> We typically use smaller 20-50ah SLA batteries from Zeus, eBay, etc, but
>> I'm looking to deploy some front-terminal 75-100ah batteries at a new
>> site.
>>
>> Northstar Blue keeps coming up, but they seem to be super expensive.
>> What is everyone using and where are you getting them?
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Re: [AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE

[chuck]

The DC circuit of these injectors is not much more than a simple splice.  They 
will cross feed if that is what you are worried about.  So yes, diodes would be 
needed on all of them to prevent reverse power.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:02 AM
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Subject: [AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE



If a reverse power situation let's say I had four 24V Gige POE injectors.  Each 
connected to a 800-GigE-POE and set to extract the power.  Now I wanted to 
combine them into one input to power a small switch so that any or all of them 
could power the switch.  Would I need a diode(s) or is there enough isolation 
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Re: [AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE

[Carl Peterson]

Thanks Chuck,

Should I be worried about reverse power?
What diodes would you recommend and where would I place it?  Across the +-
output terminal on each GigE-POE?  Total load would be something less then
.75A.  Likely closer to .5.



On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:36 AM  wrote:

> The DC circuit of these injectors is not much more than a simple splice.
> They will cross feed if that is what you are worried about.  So yes, diodes
> would be needed on all of them to prevent reverse power.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:02 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE
>
>
>
> If a reverse power situation let's say I had four 24V Gige POE injectors.
> Each connected to a 800-GigE-POE and set to extract the power.  Now I
> wanted to combine them into one input to power a small switch so that any
> or all of them could power the switch.  Would I need a diode(s) or is there
> enough isolation in the transformers?
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

[Carl Peterson]

Really just whomever is close to you.  We found a Northstar dealer who
didn't normally sell their telco gear and they add our orders when they are
bringing in a truck.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:30 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Ahh - I see blues at many cell sites on their DC plants.  Do you have a
> favorite supplier?
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> For backup applications you should use Reds.  We use Red HTs.  Worth it
>> IMHO.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> We typically use smaller 20-50ah SLA batteries from Zeus, eBay, etc, but
>>> I'm looking to deploy some front-terminal 75-100ah batteries at a new
>>> site.
>>>
>>> Northstar Blue keeps coming up, but they seem to be super expensive.
>>> What is everyone using and where are you getting them?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE

[chuck]

Well, you are going to lose a volt.  I would put them in series with the + on 
each one.  1n4004 will work great for this.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE

Thanks Chuck,  

Should I be worried about reverse power?  
What diodes would you recommend and where would I place it?  Across the +- 
output terminal on each GigE-POE?  Total load would be something less then 
.75A.  Likely closer to .5.  



On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:36 AM  wrote:

  The DC circuit of these injectors is not much more than a simple splice.  
They will cross feed if that is what you are worried about.  So yes, diodes 
would be needed on all of them to prevent reverse power.  

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:02 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE



  If a reverse power situation let's say I had four 24V Gige POE injectors.  
Each connected to a 800-GigE-POE and set to extract the power.  Now I wanted to 
combine them into one input to power a small switch so that any or all of them 
could power the switch.  Would I need a diode(s) or is there enough isolation 
in the transformers? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

[chuck]

I wouldn’t mind knowing that dealer.

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

Really just whomever is close to you.  We found a Northstar dealer who didn't 
normally sell their telco gear and they add our orders when they are bringing 
in a truck.  

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:30 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

  Ahh - I see blues at many cell sites on their DC plants.  Do you have a 
favorite supplier?

  On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

For backup applications you should use Reds.  We use Red HTs.  Worth it 
IMHO.  

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

  We typically use smaller 20-50ah SLA batteries from Zeus, eBay, etc, but 
I'm looking to deploy some front-terminal 75-100ah batteries at a new site.   

  Northstar Blue keeps coming up, but they seem to be super expensive.  
What is everyone using and where are you getting them? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

[Ken Hohhof]

I have 16 of the Northstar 100FT Silver that have been in service for about 10 
years at 2 different sites, one with HVAC, the other without.  They still work 
like new.  I had to ship them freight on a pallet because I bought them from a 
telecom surplus dealer, they were new but past the 12 month sell-by date.  
Freight on batteries is a pain.

 

I also have a couple sites with Concorde Lifeline 8D batteries that are about 
that same age, but those are definitely NOT front terminal telecom batteries.

 

 

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I wouldn’t mind knowing that dealer.

 

From: Carl Peterson 

Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:52 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

 

Really just whomever is close to you.  We found a Northstar dealer who didn't 
normally sell their telco gear and they add our orders when they are bringing 
in a truck.  

 

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:30 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ahh - I see blues at many cell sites on their DC plants.  Do you have a 
favorite supplier?

 

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

For backup applications you should use Reds.  We use Red HTs.  Worth it IMHO.  

 

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We typically use smaller 20-50ah SLA batteries from Zeus, eBay, etc, but I'm 
looking to deploy some front-terminal 75-100ah batteries at a new site.   

 

Northstar Blue keeps coming up, but they seem to be super expensive.  What is 
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

[Carl Peterson]

My memory is that we had a deal with a local dealer in Annapolis, but
Netusite is telling me we are currently buying them from CEA Power.  Looks
like shipping for 4 NSB100-HT reds and 4 NSB40-HT reds was $170.  That
would be for one core site and one smaller cabinet site.


On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have 16 of the Northstar 100FT Silver that have been in service for
> about 10 years at 2 different sites, one with HVAC, the other without.
> They still work like new.  I had to ship them freight on a pallet because I
> bought them from a telecom surplus dealer, they were new but past the 12
> month sell-by date.  Freight on batteries is a pain.
>
>
>
> I also have a couple sites with Concorde Lifeline 8D batteries that are
> about that same age, but those are definitely NOT front terminal telecom
> batteries.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:03 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier
>
>
>
> I wouldn’t mind knowing that dealer.
>
>
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:52 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier
>
>
>
> Really just whomever is close to you.  We found a Northstar dealer who
> didn't normally sell their telco gear and they add our orders when they are
> bringing in a truck.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:30 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> Ahh - I see blues at many cell sites on their DC plants.  Do you have a
> favorite supplier?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> For backup applications you should use Reds.  We use Red HTs.  Worth it
> IMHO.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> We typically use smaller 20-50ah SLA batteries from Zeus, eBay, etc, but
> I'm looking to deploy some front-terminal 75-100ah batteries at a new
> site.
>
>
>
> Northstar Blue keeps coming up, but they seem to be super expensive.  What
> is everyone using and where are you getting them?
>
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>
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[AFMUG] FAA reviews during COVID

[Ken Hohhof]

Has anyone submitted a tower for FAA review and an ASR number since March?
How long are these taking?  We were told it's usually around 30 days for the
review and 45 days for an ASR number.  But we have one at 60+ days and
hearing nothing but crickets.

 

Is this backlogged or taking a lot longer due to COVID?  Seems like a
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[AFMUG] Tulsa, et al

[Matt Hoppes]

So Tulsa and much of Eastern Oklahoma was just declared Indian lands. 

What does this do to towers which have studied saying they were not built on 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tulsa, et al

[chuck]

Going to jail I am guessing...

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So Tulsa and much of Eastern Oklahoma was just declared Indian lands.

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Re: [AFMUG] Tulsa, et al

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U

> On Jul 9, 2020, at 9:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
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> Going to jail I am guessing...
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Re: [AFMUG] Tulsa, et al

[James Howard]

They should stake them out in the sun and let the ants get them like in the 
movies.

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Going to jail I am guessing...

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So Tulsa and much of Eastern Oklahoma was just declared Indian lands.

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Re: [AFMUG] Tulsa, et al

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Put some hooks n the chest.  Hoist them up.  If you survive you can build the 
tower.

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Re: [AFMUG] Tulsa, et al

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"Today we are asked whether the land these treaties promised remains an
Indian reservation for purposes of federal criminal law. Because Congress
has not said otherwise, we hold the government to its word," Gorsuch wrote.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020, 7:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Put some hooks n the chest.  Hoist them up.  If you survive you can build
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> So Tulsa and much of Eastern Oklahoma was just declared Indian lands.
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> What does this do to towers which have studied saying they were not built
> on
> Native American lands?
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Re: [AFMUG] Tulsa, et al

[Bill Prince]

Has been since the treaties were signed way back when. Most of Oklahoma 
is Native American land. Maybe tower operators will have to pay rent to 
the indigenous peoples.



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On 7/9/2020 5:17 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

So Tulsa and much of Eastern Oklahoma was just declared Indian lands.

What does this do to towers which have studied saying they were not built on 
Native American lands?


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