[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: Part 15

2020-07-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh 
This was something WISPA fought hard for due to the huge impact it would have 
had on full power operation in UNI-III.   The original rules would have 
resulted in severe power restrictions on much of the lower half of 5.8.   The 
final rule that the FCC accepted was a proposal by Ubiquiti that had minimal 
impact on the UNI-III band.   The entire rule change was prompted by continued 
interference by WISP’s and others to the Terminal Doppler Weather Radar 
systems.   

There is a current proposal by Radwin that the FCC has been sitting on for some 
time to treat systems like Radwin JET and Cambium’s 450m with MIMO beam 
steering as PTP for purposes of calculating power limits.   WISPA and others 
have supported this proposal but so far it has not moved at the FCC.   I think 
Radwin also requested action on this as part of a Covid-19 emergency response.  
I did not hear if it was granted.

Mark

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Doing a Google search, I think this is the most recent revision of the 5 GHz 
> rules.  It modified a previous order that would move from 15.247 to 15.407 
> for the entire band, which would have been very bad for us.  Basically the 
> use of antenna gain for PTP links would have been outlawed unless you 
> employed expensive filtering.  Out of band emissions would have been limited 
> based on radiated power including antenna gain, not conducted power.
>  
> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/04/06/2016-07847/unlicensed-national-information-infrastructure-order-on-reconsideration
>  
> 
>  
> I believe the revised order still causes some equipment to impose lower xmt 
> power on channels near the band edge, for example the last channel next to a 
> DFS sub band.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 11:56 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Part 15
>  
> Ok. Then I’m confused or looking at something wrong. Thanks. 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Mathew Howard > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I don't know about 450, but ePMP most certainly does allow PTP power levels 
>> on SMs
>>  
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 9:55 AM Matt Hoppes 
>> > > wrote:
>>> Epmp. But as far as I know also 450m 5GHz. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 5, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Mike Hammett >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Which ones?
 
 
 
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 From: "Matt Hoppes" >>> >
 To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>> >
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 9:19:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Part 15
 
 So then why don’t cambium subscriber units allow higher power uplink 
 powers from the subscriber?  They appear locked as if they were an AP. 
  
> On Jul 5, 2020, at 10:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I believe this was asked of the OET years ago and they agreed with you.  
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes 
> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 7:59 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Part 15
>  
> Was looking over the Part 15 rules.  
>  
> What is it that would cause a subscriber unit in a PtMP system to not be 
> considered PtP when returning to the tower?
>  
> “ However, fixed point-to-point  U-NII devices 
> 
>  operating in this band may employ transmitting antennas with directional 
> gain greater than 6 dBi without any corresponding reduction in 
> transmitter conducted power.”
>  
> A subscriber unit, unless it’s some kind of relay, is a PtP device. 
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Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: Part 15

2020-07-06 Thread Matt Hoppes 
See this is the part I have an issue with with the rules.

It states I can use higher power for a point to point link but doesn’t state 
what kind of antenna I have to use. I could literally use a sector on both 
sides of the link and it would be point-to-point.

Give me that makes the rules pointless.

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> This was something WISPA fought hard for due to the huge impact it would 
> have had on full power operation in UNI-III.   The original rules would have 
> resulted in severe power restrictions on much of the lower half of 5.8.   The 
> final rule that the FCC accepted was a proposal by Ubiquiti that had minimal 
> impact on the UNI-III band.   The entire rule change was prompted by 
> continued interference by WISP’s and others to the Terminal Doppler Weather 
> Radar systems.   
> 
> There is a current proposal by Radwin that the FCC has been sitting on for 
> some time to treat systems like Radwin JET and Cambium’s 450m with MIMO beam 
> steering as PTP for purposes of calculating power limits.   WISPA and others 
> have supported this proposal but so far it has not moved at the FCC.   I 
> think Radwin also requested action on this as part of a Covid-19 emergency 
> response.  I did not hear if it was granted.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> Doing a Google search, I think this is the most recent revision of the 5 GHz 
>> rules.  It modified a previous order that would move from 15.247 to 15.407 
>> for the entire band, which would have been very bad for us.  Basically the 
>> use of antenna gain for PTP links would have been outlawed unless you 
>> employed expensive filtering.  Out of band emissions would have been limited 
>> based on radiated power including antenna gain, not conducted power.
>>  
>> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/04/06/2016-07847/unlicensed-national-information-infrastructure-order-on-reconsideration
>>  
>> I believe the revised order still causes some equipment to impose lower xmt 
>> power on channels near the band edge, for example the last channel next to a 
>> DFS sub band.
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 11:56 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Part 15
>>  
>> Ok. Then I’m confused or looking at something wrong. Thanks. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't know about 450, but ePMP most certainly does allow PTP power levels 
>>> on SMs
>>>  
>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 9:55 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
 Epmp. But as far as I know also 450m 5GHz. 
 
 
> On Jul 5, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Which ones?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 9:19:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Part 15
> 
> So then why don’t cambium subscriber units allow higher power uplink 
> powers from the subscriber?  They appear locked as if they were an AP. 
>  
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 10:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I believe this was asked of the OET years ago and they agreed with you.  
>>  
>> From: Matt Hoppes 
>> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 7:59 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Part 15
>>  
>> Was looking over the Part 15 rules.  
>>  
>> What is it that would cause a subscriber unit in a PtMP system to not be 
>> considered PtP when returning to the tower?
>>  
>> “ However, fixed point-to-point  U-NII devices operating in this band 
>> may employ transmitting antennas with directional gain greater than 6 
>> dBi without any corresponding reduction in transmitter conducted power.”
>>  
>> A subscriber unit, unless it’s some kind of relay, is a PtP device. 
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[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: Part 15

2020-07-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh 
Be careful what you wish for.

Ever have to work with EU standards?  CE compliance?   They do things 
differently in the EU.   Everything is spelled out in excruciating detail in 
the regulations.  Absolutely everything.   Have a use case that doesn’t match?  
Tough shit, you can’t do it.   Don’t have the specific manufacturer and part 
numbers?  Sorry son, you are out of luck.  

I’ll take our ’spirit of the rule’ manner of regulation any day of the week.

Mark

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> See this is the part I have an issue with with the rules.
> 
> It states I can use higher power for a point to point link but doesn’t state 
> what kind of antenna I have to use. I could literally use a sector on both 
> sides of the link and it would be point-to-point.
> 
> Give me that makes the rules pointless.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>> 
>> This was something WISPA fought hard for due to the huge impact it would 
>> have had on full power operation in UNI-III.   The original rules would have 
>> resulted in severe power restrictions on much of the lower half of 5.8.   
>> The final rule that the FCC accepted was a proposal by Ubiquiti that had 
>> minimal impact on the UNI-III band.   The entire rule change was prompted by 
>> continued interference by WISP’s and others to the Terminal Doppler Weather 
>> Radar systems.   
>> 
>> There is a current proposal by Radwin that the FCC has been sitting on for 
>> some time to treat systems like Radwin JET and Cambium’s 450m with MIMO beam 
>> steering as PTP for purposes of calculating power limits.   WISPA and others 
>> have supported this proposal but so far it has not moved at the FCC.   I 
>> think Radwin also requested action on this as part of a Covid-19 emergency 
>> response.  I did not hear if it was granted.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Doing a Google search, I think this is the most recent revision of the 5 
>>> GHz rules.  It modified a previous order that would move from 15.247 to 
>>> 15.407 for the entire band, which would have been very bad for us.  
>>> Basically the use of antenna gain for PTP links would have been outlawed 
>>> unless you employed expensive filtering.  Out of band emissions would have 
>>> been limited based on radiated power including antenna gain, not conducted 
>>> power.
>>>  
>>> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/04/06/2016-07847/unlicensed-national-information-infrastructure-order-on-reconsideration
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I believe the revised order still causes some equipment to impose lower xmt 
>>> power on channels near the band edge, for example the last channel next to 
>>> a DFS sub band.
>>>  
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 11:56 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Part 15
>>>  
>>> Ok. Then I’m confused or looking at something wrong. Thanks. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 5, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Mathew Howard >>> > wrote:
 
 
 I don't know about 450, but ePMP most certainly does allow PTP power 
 levels on SMs
  
 On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 9:55 AM Matt Hoppes 
 >>> > wrote:
> Epmp. But as far as I know also 450m 5GHz. 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Mike Hammett > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Which ones?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>   
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>   
>>  
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> From: "Matt Hoppes" > >
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > >
>> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 9:19:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Part 15
>> 
>> So then why don’t cambium subscriber units allow higher power uplink 
>> powers from the subscriber?  They appear locked as if they were an AP. 
>>  
>>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 10:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I b

Re: [AFMUG] OT gear puller

2020-07-06 Thread Cameron Crum 
Well, that works.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:31 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

2020-07-06 Thread Ken Hohhof 
This version is free:
https://youtu.be/oNEdEDbhTQw

Not exactly the same, but free!


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 6:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

https://www.polygon.com/disney-plus/2020/7/3/21312362/hamilton-movie-review-
disney-plus-lin-manuel-miranda-streaming-hamilfilm


bp


On 7/3/2020 4:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Just sell your soul to Verizon and get it free, like the prize in the 
> Cracker Jack box.
> https://www.verizon.com/solutions-and-services/disneyplus/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 6:18 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!
>
> if I do get it (Disney+), I will probably put a 25-day timer on the 
> subscription so that I can disconnect before the 2nd month comes around.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 7/3/2020 1:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> It's only $7/month.  Hard to fault them for stopping the free trials
> before releasing Hamilton.  You could still cancel after a month if 
> you didn't find anything else worthwhile to watch.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 12:46 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!
>>
>> I have been interested in watching that. I had thought I'd just get a 
>> free
> trial account to just watch this, but they terminated the free trial 
> program just prior to putting this up.
>> I can wait some more.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 7/2/2020 9:48 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>> I have not seen the production, or listened to the soundtrack, but I 
>>> have several friends that are planning multiple viewing parties 
>>> tomorrow (Multiple viewings at the same house).  Interesting to see 
>>> what it does to streaming levels.  Is it as big in the rest of the 
>>> country as it is here in Chicagoland?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

2020-07-06 Thread Bill Prince 

Kind of the Cliff's Notes version.


bp


On 7/6/2020 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

This version is free:
https://youtu.be/oNEdEDbhTQw

Not exactly the same, but free!


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 6:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

https://www.polygon.com/disney-plus/2020/7/3/21312362/hamilton-movie-review-
disney-plus-lin-manuel-miranda-streaming-hamilfilm


bp


On 7/3/2020 4:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Just sell your soul to Verizon and get it free, like the prize in the
Cracker Jack box.
https://www.verizon.com/solutions-and-services/disneyplus/


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 6:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

if I do get it (Disney+), I will probably put a 25-day timer on the
subscription so that I can disconnect before the 2nd month comes around.

bp


On 7/3/2020 1:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It's only $7/month.  Hard to fault them for stopping the free trials

before releasing Hamilton.  You could still cancel after a month if
you didn't find anything else worthwhile to watch.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 12:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

I have been interested in watching that. I had thought I'd just get a
free

trial account to just watch this, but they terminated the free trial
program just prior to putting this up.

I can wait some more.


bp


On 7/2/2020 9:48 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

I have not seen the production, or listened to the soundtrack, but I
have several friends that are planning multiple viewing parties
tomorrow (Multiple viewings at the same house).  Interesting to see
what it does to streaming levels.  Is it as big in the rest of the
country as it is here in Chicagoland?


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Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

2020-07-06 Thread chuck 
S much better than the other one.  I could not get through more than a 
few minutes of the other one yesterday.  The womenfolk that were over to the 
house all wanted to watch it and none of the menfolk wanted to.


Which then morphed into a couple of hours of vigorous debate about mee tooo 
and all other things in the news of late.


And we ended up watching a documentary called "the red pill".  Very 
interesting.


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:52 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

This version is free:
https://youtu.be/oNEdEDbhTQw

Not exactly the same, but free!


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 6:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

https://www.polygon.com/disney-plus/2020/7/3/21312362/hamilton-movie-review-
disney-plus-lin-manuel-miranda-streaming-hamilfilm


bp


On 7/3/2020 4:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Just sell your soul to Verizon and get it free, like the prize in the
Cracker Jack box.
https://www.verizon.com/solutions-and-services/disneyplus/


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 6:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

if I do get it (Disney+), I will probably put a 25-day timer on the
subscription so that I can disconnect before the 2nd month comes around.

bp


On 7/3/2020 1:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It's only $7/month.  Hard to fault them for stopping the free trials

before releasing Hamilton.  You could still cancel after a month if
you didn't find anything else worthwhile to watch.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 12:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

I have been interested in watching that. I had thought I'd just get a
free

trial account to just watch this, but they terminated the free trial
program just prior to putting this up.

I can wait some more.


bp


On 7/2/2020 9:48 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

I have not seen the production, or listened to the soundtrack, but I
have several friends that are planning multiple viewing parties
tomorrow (Multiple viewings at the same house).  Interesting to see
what it does to streaming levels.  Is it as big in the rest of the
country as it is here in Chicagoland?


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Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

2020-07-06 Thread Ken Hohhof 
You should make all the kids watch the classics, like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcJjMnHoIBI

But these days how do you tell the difference between parody and reality?


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Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 11:15 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

S much better than the other one.  I could not get through more than a
few minutes of the other one yesterday.  The womenfolk that were over to the
house all wanted to watch it and none of the menfolk wanted to.

Which then morphed into a couple of hours of vigorous debate about mee tooo
and all other things in the news of late.

And we ended up watching a documentary called "the red pill".  Very
interesting.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:52 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

This version is free:
https://youtu.be/oNEdEDbhTQw

Not exactly the same, but free!


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 6:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!

https://www.polygon.com/disney-plus/2020/7/3/21312362/hamilton-movie-review-
disney-plus-lin-manuel-miranda-streaming-hamilfilm


bp


On 7/3/2020 4:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Just sell your soul to Verizon and get it free, like the prize in the 
> Cracker Jack box.
> https://www.verizon.com/solutions-and-services/disneyplus/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 6:18 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!
>
> if I do get it (Disney+), I will probably put a 25-day timer on the 
> subscription so that I can disconnect before the 2nd month comes around.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 7/3/2020 1:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> It's only $7/month.  Hard to fault them for stopping the free trials
> before releasing Hamilton.  You could still cancel after a month if 
> you didn't find anything else worthwhile to watch.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 12:46 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] !Hamilton!
>>
>> I have been interested in watching that. I had thought I'd just get a 
>> free
> trial account to just watch this, but they terminated the free trial 
> program just prior to putting this up.
>> I can wait some more.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 7/2/2020 9:48 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>> I have not seen the production, or listened to the soundtrack, but I 
>>> have several friends that are planning multiple viewing parties 
>>> tomorrow (Multiple viewings at the same house).  Interesting to see 
>>> what it does to streaming levels.  Is it as big in the rest of the 
>>> country as it is here in Chicagoland?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT gear puller

2020-07-06 Thread Sam Lambie 
Makes me wish I had a forklift around for that kind of stuff. Way to get
creative. Did it work?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT gear puller

2020-07-06 Thread chuck 
Yep, twice.  I assembled it wrong the first time and had to do it again.
Second time it one good smack with the sledge hammer.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 2:56 PM
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Makes me wish I had a forklift around for that kind of stuff. Way to get 
creative. Did it work?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT gear puller

2020-07-06 Thread Cameron Crum 
Is that just electrical tape? Why not a big ratchet strap or something?


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> Yep, twice.  I assembled it wrong the first time and had to do it again.
> Second time it one good smack with the sledge hammer.
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> creative. Did it work?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT gear puller

2020-07-06 Thread chuck 
Yep.  I wanted the springiness of the tape.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 4:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT gear puller

Is that just electrical tape? Why not a big ratchet strap or something? 


On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 4:20 PM  wrote:

  Yep, twice.  I assembled it wrong the first time and had to do it again.
  Second time it one good smack with the sledge hammer.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 2:56 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT gear puller

  Makes me wish I had a forklift around for that kind of stuff. Way to get 
creative. Did it work?

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Re: [AFMUG] GPS app

2020-07-06 Thread Steve Jones 
Nothing works the way we envision

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 5:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
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> Try WiFi Fresnel App and GPS status App..
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> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 7:20 AM  wrote:
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>> You have to tap on the pin you dropped in the map and then go back to the
>> theodolite view to see the red dot.  If you don’t select the pin for the AP
>> in the map, it will not show up with the red dot on the compass.  This is
>> pretty cool.
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>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 4, 2020 7:16 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS app
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>> Yes, it will do it.  You go into map, drop a pin on the AP.  Then in the
>> main view you have a red dot on the compass at the bottom.  Just pan around
>> until the red dot is under the center line and you are looking at the AP.
>> Just tried it and it works great.
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 4, 2020 7:09 AM
>> *To:* Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet)
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS app
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>> Looks like it will do it:
>> *Live Map Markers*
>> Theodolite 3.1 introduced live map markers that continually update to
>> show distance and heading to the marker from the current location. This
>> information is displayed on the left side of the marker's popup annotation.
>>
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>> New in Theodolite 5 is a live distance/bearing display on Theodolite's
>> main camera view, which shows distance and bearing, as well as aim
>> indicators, pointing to the active map marker selected on the map view.
>> This is shown in the lower left corner of the main screen.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet)
>> Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 5:59 AM
>> To: Chuck McCown
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS app
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>> Thanks. I’ll check it out
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On 4 Jul 2020, at 9:56 pm, Chuck McCown  wrote:
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>> > Theodolite will let you see a heading.  Not sure how the best way
>> would be to get the heading.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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>> >> On Jul 4, 2020, at 2:53 AM, Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF <
>> af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
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>> >> Hi Guys
>> >>
>> >> Can anyone recommend a phone app they I can put an address of a base
>> (Ap) and the phone will point to it?
>> >>
>> >> For new installers
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Rhys
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