Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

[Peter Kranz via AF]

Complex question.. Linux controls the behavior of the switch, but the actual
switching is done via merchant silicon like Jericho2, Trident, etc.
depending on the switch, so Linux is not actually doing the switching or
routing.

Peter Kranz
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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

Do they all run Linux?

On 6/30/2020 1:36 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
> Understood, Arista hits the boxes for us in terms of support, 
> performance, AND value.. We primarily use the 7280SR variants, but 
> either the 7010 or
> 7020 makes for an excellent tower level switch/router.
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
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> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:20 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches
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> I'll check out Arista.
>
> I do appreciate a good deal as much as anybody, but I think I should 
> mention that being cheap on Ebay is not one of my criteria.
>
> On 6/30/2020 1:07 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
>> Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices 
>> are quite reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well.
>>
>> Peter Kranz
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches
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>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>
>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would 
>> you look at today?
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>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Jaime Solorza]

Centigrade

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Ken Hohhof]

Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.

 

Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a Nazi, 
and we’ll change the names back.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather

 

Centigrade

 

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Chuck McCown]

Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos 

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> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.
>  
> Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a 
> Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>  
> Centigrade
>  
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  wrote:
> Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I can't remember the last time someone used the term Mhos.


bp



On 7/1/2020 6:55 AM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos 
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof
   wrote:
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
Centigrade, how old school.  Next
  you’ll be saying cycles per second.
 
Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius
  owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a Nazi, and we’ll
  change the names back.
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Jaime
Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather

 

  Centigrade

 

  
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM
  James Howard 
  wrote:
  
  

  
Now you’re trying to tell
us that 34 degrees is hot?
 

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Ken Hohhof]

Why is pF pronounced puff but I’ve never heard nF pronounced nuff?  And uF is 
mike?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 8:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather

 

Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.

 

Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a Nazi, 
and we’ll change the names back.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather

 

Centigrade

 

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Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?

 

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Very hot weather

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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Jaime Solorza]

Took you long enough to catch it...lol

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 6:45 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.
>
>
>
> Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a
> Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>
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>
> Centigrade
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  wrote:
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> Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Jaime Solorza]

Nanohenry

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.
>
>
>
> Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a
> Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>
>
>
> Centigrade
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Adam Moffett]

What's funniest is Jamie posts that picture and everyone here is focused 
on the units of temperature.



On 7/1/2020 10:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Nanohenry

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.

Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich
Hertz was a Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather

Centigrade

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?

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[AFMUG] Error counters on SFP interfaces

[Adam Moffett]

We've got a ton of Mikrotiks out there.  On SFP's we're mostly using the 
cheap Fiberstore stuff.


A handful of times we've had to trace down a packet loss issue on a 
fiber connection, and in any of the cases I've touched all of the 
Mikrotik error counters were zero.  We end up troubleshooting by 
swapping parts one at a time until the problem goes away, and this 
offends my sensibilities.


So when something is clearly wrong, why aren't errors reported? Is it:
1) Mikrotik interfaces never report errors to begin with?

2) My cheapo SFP's don't report an error to the host switch/router?

3) An error at the SFP is invisible to the host switch/router?


..and I'm not talking about optical problems because those are 
detectable with an OTDR pretty much 100% of the time. Talking 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Ken Hohhof]

You’ve never heard Mbros before Mhos?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather

 

I can't remember the last time someone used the term Mhos.

 

bp

 

On 7/1/2020 6:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof   
 wrote:

 

Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.

 

Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a Nazi, 
and we’ll change the names back.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather

 

Centigrade

 

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[chuck]

How many mhos in a lawn.

From: Ken Hohhof 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather

You’ve never heard Mbros before Mhos?

 

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I can't remember the last time someone used the term Mhos.

 

bp On 7/1/2020 6:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos 

  Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 

Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.

 

Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a 
Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
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Centigrade

 

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  Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?

   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep.  Nerds

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 9:43 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> What's funniest is Jamie posts that picture and everyone here is focused
> on the units of temperature.
>
>
> On 7/1/2020 10:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Nanohenry
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
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>> Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a
>> Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
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>> Centigrade
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  wrote:
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>> Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Cameron Crum]

There were numbers in that picture?

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yep.  Nerds
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 9:43 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> What's funniest is Jamie posts that picture and everyone here is focused
>> on the units of temperature.
>>
>>
>> On 7/1/2020 10:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Nanohenry
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a
>>> Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Centigrade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[AFMUG] OT - stock market

[Ken Hohhof]

I spent about an hour on the phone yesterday with my guy at Morgan Stanley,
basically cutting my exposure to equities in my IRA in half.  Went from
60/40 to 30/70.  Also got rid of one real estate ETF.

 

But the interesting factoid I wanted to pass along was he said a lot of
individual small investors are currently speculating in the market including
in options basically as a form of entertainment.  And that is helping to
boost some irrational exuberance.  Even some big name stocks that have done
well during the pandemic have been bid up to some pretty crazy PE ratios.

 

I guess if you can't go to a movie, concert, bar, or casino, there's Wall
Street.  But people at a casino aren't necessarily looking to make a profit,
just have a good time while losing their money.

 

It also turns out he knows the family of the kid who committed suicide
because he thought erroneously that he lost almost a million dollars on some
millennial focused stock trading app.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/business/robinhood-suicide-alex-kearns/index.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

[Tushar Patel]

Interesting, yesterday I ran into someone and she started talking about how 
people are making a lot of money in options. She went on to say her friend made 
$3.5M in Tesla options. 


Tushar


> On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I spent about an hour on the phone yesterday with my guy at Morgan Stanley, 
> basically cutting my exposure to equities in my IRA in half.  Went from 60/40 
> to 30/70.  Also got rid of one real estate ETF.
>  
> But the interesting factoid I wanted to pass along was he said a lot of 
> individual small investors are currently speculating in the market including 
> in options basically as a form of entertainment.  And that is helping to 
> boost some irrational exuberance.  Even some big name stocks that have done 
> well during the pandemic have been bid up to some pretty crazy PE ratios.
>  
> I guess if you can’t go to a movie, concert, bar, or casino, there’s Wall 
> Street.  But people at a casino aren’t necessarily looking to make a profit, 
> just have a good time while losing their money.
>  
> It also turns out he knows the family of the kid who committed suicide 
> because he thought erroneously that he lost almost a million dollars on some 
> millennial focused stock trading app.
> https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/business/robinhood-suicide-alex-kearns/index.html
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

[Lewis Bergman]

Options cut both ways. It all sounds fun until they come take your shit
cause you guessed wrong.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM Tushar Patel  wrote:

> Interesting, yesterday I ran into someone and she started talking about
> how people are making a lot of money in options. She went on to say her
> friend made $3.5M in Tesla options.
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I spent about an hour on the phone yesterday with my guy at Morgan
> Stanley, basically cutting my exposure to equities in my IRA in half.  Went
> from 60/40 to 30/70.  Also got rid of one real estate ETF.
>
>
>
> But the interesting factoid I wanted to pass along was he said a lot of
> individual small investors are currently speculating in the market
> including in options basically as a form of entertainment.  And that is
> helping to boost some irrational exuberance.  Even some big name stocks
> that have done well during the pandemic have been bid up to some pretty
> crazy PE ratios.
>
>
>
> I guess if you can’t go to a movie, concert, bar, or casino, there’s Wall
> Street.  But people at a casino aren’t necessarily looking to make a
> profit, just have a good time while losing their money.
>
>
>
> It also turns out he knows the family of the kid who committed suicide
> because he thought erroneously that he lost almost a million dollars on
> some millennial focused stock trading app.
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/business/robinhood-suicide-alex-kearns/index.html
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

[Ken Hohhof]

That’s a lot of money.

 

I hope it’s not just on paper.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

 

Interesting, yesterday I ran into someone and she started talking about how 
people are making a lot of money in options. She went on to say her friend made 
$3.5M in Tesla options. 

 

Tushar

 





On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



I spent about an hour on the phone yesterday with my guy at Morgan Stanley, 
basically cutting my exposure to equities in my IRA in half.  Went from 60/40 
to 30/70.  Also got rid of one real estate ETF.

 

But the interesting factoid I wanted to pass along was he said a lot of 
individual small investors are currently speculating in the market including in 
options basically as a form of entertainment.  And that is helping to boost 
some irrational exuberance.  Even some big name stocks that have done well 
during the pandemic have been bid up to some pretty crazy PE ratios.

 

I guess if you can’t go to a movie, concert, bar, or casino, there’s Wall 
Street.  But people at a casino aren’t necessarily looking to make a profit, 
just have a good time while losing their money.

 

It also turns out he knows the family of the kid who committed suicide because 
he thought erroneously that he lost almost a million dollars on some millennial 
focused stock trading app.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/business/robinhood-suicide-alex-kearns/index.html

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

[chuck]

I don’t have the guts for options.  But I did make a nice pile off of Tesla 
over the past few months.  

From: Tushar Patel 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

Interesting, yesterday I ran into someone and she started talking about how 
people are making a lot of money in options. She went on to say her friend made 
$3.5M in Tesla options.  



Tushar 



  On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


   
  I spent about an hour on the phone yesterday with my guy at Morgan Stanley, 
basically cutting my exposure to equities in my IRA in half.  Went from 60/40 
to 30/70.  Also got rid of one real estate ETF.

   

  But the interesting factoid I wanted to pass along was he said a lot of 
individual small investors are currently speculating in the market including in 
options basically as a form of entertainment.  And that is helping to boost 
some irrational exuberance.  Even some big name stocks that have done well 
during the pandemic have been bid up to some pretty crazy PE ratios.

   

  I guess if you can’t go to a movie, concert, bar, or casino, there’s Wall 
Street.  But people at a casino aren’t necessarily looking to make a profit, 
just have a good time while losing their money.

   

  It also turns out he knows the family of the kid who committed suicide 
because he thought erroneously that he lost almost a million dollars on some 
millennial focused stock trading app.

  
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/business/robinhood-suicide-alex-kearns/index.html

   

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[AFMUG] OT Karen?

[chuck]

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

[Ken Hohhof]

There are many option strategies, some are actually pretty conservative.  When 
I was much younger, I used to sell covered calls to generate extra income on 
stocks I was long that had appreciated.  Worst outcome was the stock got called 
away at a price I was willing to accept.  Most of the time the options expired 
worthless and I pocketed a few bucks and did it again.

 

There are also strategies like straddles and spreads that are not high risk.

 

You can also buy options, and should be prepared to lose what you spent on them 
if you guess wrong.  But you can’t lose more than you spent.  If you guess 
right, you can make a lot.  It’s like Vegas, if you buy $500 of chips, that’s 
the most you can lose.

 

Really risky is buying on margin, or short sales, or selling naked options.  
Yes, I don’t have the guts for those.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

 

I don’t have the guts for options.  But I did make a nice pile off of Tesla 
over the past few months.  

 

From: Tushar Patel 

Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:49 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

 

Interesting, yesterday I ran into someone and she started talking about how 
people are making a lot of money in options. She went on to say her friend made 
$3.5M in Tesla options.  

 

Tushar 

 





On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

I spent about an hour on the phone yesterday with my guy at Morgan Stanley, 
basically cutting my exposure to equities in my IRA in half.  Went from 60/40 
to 30/70.  Also got rid of one real estate ETF.

 

But the interesting factoid I wanted to pass along was he said a lot of 
individual small investors are currently speculating in the market including in 
options basically as a form of entertainment.  And that is helping to boost 
some irrational exuberance.  Even some big name stocks that have done well 
during the pandemic have been bid up to some pretty crazy PE ratios.

 

I guess if you can’t go to a movie, concert, bar, or casino, there’s Wall 
Street.  But people at a casino aren’t necessarily looking to make a profit, 
just have a good time while losing their money.

 

It also turns out he knows the family of the kid who committed suicide because 
he thought erroneously that he lost almost a million dollars on some millennial 
focused stock trading app.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/business/robinhood-suicide-alex-kearns/index.html

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

[Lewis Bergman]

I can't imagine someone involved in that kind of conversation made 3.5 mil
on a conservative options strategy.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> There are many option strategies, some are actually pretty conservative.
> When I was much younger, I used to sell covered calls to generate extra
> income on stocks I was long that had appreciated.  Worst outcome was the
> stock got called away at a price I was willing to accept.  Most of the time
> the options expired worthless and I pocketed a few bucks and did it again.
>
>
>
> There are also strategies like straddles and spreads that are not high
> risk.
>
>
>
> You can also buy options, and should be prepared to lose what you spent on
> them if you guess wrong.  But you can’t lose more than you spent.  If you
> guess right, you can make a lot.  It’s like Vegas, if you buy $500 of
> chips, that’s the most you can lose.
>
>
>
> Really risky is buying on margin, or short sales, or selling naked
> options.  Yes, I don’t have the guts for those.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market
>
>
>
> I don’t have the guts for options.  But I did make a nice pile off of
> Tesla over the past few months.
>
>
>
> *From:* Tushar Patel
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:49 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market
>
>
>
> Interesting, yesterday I ran into someone and she started talking about
> how people are making a lot of money in options. She went on to say her
> friend made $3.5M in Tesla options.
>
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I spent about an hour on the phone yesterday with my guy at Morgan
> Stanley, basically cutting my exposure to equities in my IRA in half.  Went
> from 60/40 to 30/70.  Also got rid of one real estate ETF.
>
>
>
> But the interesting factoid I wanted to pass along was he said a lot of
> individual small investors are currently speculating in the market
> including in options basically as a form of entertainment.  And that is
> helping to boost some irrational exuberance.  Even some big name stocks
> that have done well during the pandemic have been bid up to some pretty
> crazy PE ratios.
>
>
>
> I guess if you can’t go to a movie, concert, bar, or casino, there’s Wall
> Street.  But people at a casino aren’t necessarily looking to make a
> profit, just have a good time while losing their money.
>
>
>
> It also turns out he knows the family of the kid who committed suicide
> because he thought erroneously that he lost almost a million dollars on
> some millennial focused stock trading app.
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/business/robinhood-suicide-alex-kearns/index.html
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Karen?

[Ken Hohhof]

The debate always seems to be what do you call a male Karen?  The most
common suggestions seem to be Brad and Chad, not sure why.

 

A certain large state seems to have a male Karen for Lt. Gov.  Or maybe he's
more of a Gomer.  Which makes me think of a certain US Rep whose last name
sounds like Gomer.

 

Women would probably say there is no specific name for a male Karen because
all males are Karens, dumb and mouthy and entitled.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:14 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Karen?

 

Pretty sure it should be Kate.  As in Kate +8

She was the original.  Perhaps she was the prototype.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Karen?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
After watching maybe too many SNLs, the name that works for male
  or female Karens is Pat. Pat is androgynous. 



bp



On 7/1/2020 12:41 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
The debate always seems to be what do you
  call a male Karen?  The most common suggestions seem to be
  Brad and Chad, not sure why.
 
A certain large state seems to have a male
  Karen for Lt. Gov.  Or maybe he’s more of a Gomer.  Which
  makes me think of a certain US Rep whose last name sounds like
  Gomer.
 
Women would probably say there is no
  specific name for a male Karen because all males are Karens,
  dumb and mouthy and entitled.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:14 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Karen?
  

 

  

  Pretty sure it
  should be Kate.  As in Kate +8


  She was the
  original.  Perhaps she was the prototype.  

  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We have friends who had made a small fortune on margin and they
  bought a sail boat to go on an 8-week cruise. Excrement hit the
  fan while they were gone, and when they returned, they had to sell
  both their house and their sail boat to recover.


bp



On 7/1/2020 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
There are many option strategies, some are
  actually pretty conservative.  When I was much younger, I used
  to sell covered calls to generate extra income on stocks I was
  long that had appreciated.  Worst outcome was the stock got
  called away at a price I was willing to accept.  Most of the
  time the options expired worthless and I pocketed a few bucks
  and did it again.
 
There are also strategies like straddles
  and spreads that are not high risk.
 
You can also buy options, and should be
  prepared to lose what you spent on them if you guess wrong. 
  But you can’t lose more than you spent.  If you guess right,
  you can make a lot.  It’s like Vegas, if you buy $500 of
  chips, that’s the most you can lose.
 
Really risky is buying on margin, or short
  sales, or selling naked options.  Yes, I don’t have the guts
  for those.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:05 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market
  

 

  

  I don’t have the
  guts for options.  But I did make a nice pile off of
  Tesla over the past few months.  


  

   


  
From:
Tushar Patel 
  
  
Sent:
Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:49 PM
  
  
To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  
  
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market
  

  
  
 
  


  Interesting,
  yesterday I ran into someone and she started talking
  about how people are making a lot of money in options.
  She went on to say her friend made $3.5M in Tesla
  options.  
  
 

  Tushar 
  
 
  


  
  
  
  
On Jul 1,
2020, at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof 
wrote:
  


  
 
I
spent about an hour on the phone yesterday with
my guy at Morgan Stanley, basically cutting my
exposure to equities in my IRA in half.  Went
from 60/40 to 30/70.  Also got rid of one real
estate ETF.
 
But
the interesting factoid I wanted to pass along
was he said a lot of individual small investors
are currently speculating in the market
including in options basically as a form of
entertainment.  And that is helping to boost
some irrational exuberance.  Even some big name
stocks that have done well during the pandemic
have been bid up to some pretty crazy PE ratios.
 
I
guess if you can’t go to a movie, concert, bar,
or casino, there’s Wall Street.  But people at a
casino aren’t necessarily looking to make a
profit, just have a good time while losing their
money.
 
It
also turns out he knows the family of the kid
who committed suicide because he thought
erroneously that he lost almost a million
dollars on some millennial focused stock trading
app.
https:

Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[James Howard]

It’s called changing the narrative.   lol

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 10:14 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather


What's funniest is Jamie posts that picture and everyone here is focused on the 
units of temperature.


On 7/1/2020 10:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Nanohenry

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.

Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a Nazi, 
and we’ll change the names back.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather

Centigrade

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[James Howard]

I expected the response to be that those were her measurements but………

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:27 PM
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There were numbers in that picture?

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yep.  Nerds

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 9:43 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What's funniest is Jamie posts that picture and everyone here is focused on the 
units of temperature.


On 7/1/2020 10:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Nanohenry

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.

Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a Nazi, 
and we’ll change the names back.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Centigrade

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Jaime Solorza]

There is a dumb show called ES Show with six hostesses...yikes

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 2:57 PM James Howard  wrote:

> I expected the response to be that those were her measurements but………
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>
>
>
> There were numbers in that picture?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Yep.  Nerds
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 9:43 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> What's funniest is Jamie posts that picture and everyone here is focused
> on the units of temperature.
>
>
>
> On 7/1/2020 10:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Nanohenry
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.
>
>
>
> Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a
> Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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> Centigrade
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>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:07 PM
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[chuck]

That is like showing cooking shows to a guy on a feeding tube...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 3:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather

There is a dumb show called ES Show with six hostesses...yikes

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 2:57 PM James Howard  wrote:

  I expected the response to be that those were her measurements but………



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
  Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:27 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather



  There were numbers in that picture?



  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Yep.  Nerds



On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 9:43 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  What's funniest is Jamie posts that picture and everyone here is focused 
on the units of temperature.



  On 7/1/2020 10:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Nanohenry



On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos 

  Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 

Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per 
second.



Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz 
was a Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather



Centigrade



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  
wrote:

  Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

[chuck]

I tend to skip from stone to stone when crossing the creek.  Too old to take 
much of a bath.  But I did put most of it on TSLA when it dipped below 400 a 
couple of months back, but I have been watching it for almost 10 years.  I knew 
it was a bargain.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

We have friends who had made a small fortune on margin and they bought a sail 
boat to go on an 8-week cruise. Excrement hit the fan while they were gone, and 
when they returned, they had to sell both their house and their sail boat to 
recover.



bp


On 7/1/2020 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  There are many option strategies, some are actually pretty conservative.  
When I was much younger, I used to sell covered calls to generate extra income 
on stocks I was long that had appreciated.  Worst outcome was the stock got 
called away at a price I was willing to accept.  Most of the time the options 
expired worthless and I pocketed a few bucks and did it again.

   

  There are also strategies like straddles and spreads that are not high risk.

   

  You can also buy options, and should be prepared to lose what you spent on 
them if you guess wrong.  But you can’t lose more than you spent.  If you guess 
right, you can make a lot.  It’s like Vegas, if you buy $500 of chips, that’s 
the most you can lose.

   

  Really risky is buying on margin, or short sales, or selling naked options.  
Yes, I don’t have the guts for those.

   

   

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  Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:05 PM
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  I don’t have the guts for options.  But I did make a nice pile off of Tesla 
over the past few months.  

   

  From: Tushar Patel 

  Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:49 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - stock market

   

  Interesting, yesterday I ran into someone and she started talking about how 
people are making a lot of money in options. She went on to say her friend made 
$3.5M in Tesla options.  

   

  Tushar 

   





On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 

I spent about an hour on the phone yesterday with my guy at Morgan Stanley, 
basically cutting my exposure to equities in my IRA in half.  Went from 60/40 
to 30/70.  Also got rid of one real estate ETF.

 

But the interesting factoid I wanted to pass along was he said a lot of 
individual small investors are currently speculating in the market including in 
options basically as a form of entertainment.  And that is helping to boost 
some irrational exuberance.  Even some big name stocks that have done well 
during the pandemic have been bid up to some pretty crazy PE ratios.

 

I guess if you can’t go to a movie, concert, bar, or casino, there’s Wall 
Street.  But people at a casino aren’t necessarily looking to make a profit, 
just have a good time while losing their money.

 

It also turns out he knows the family of the kid who committed suicide 
because he thought erroneously that he lost almost a million dollars on some 
millennial focused stock trading app.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/business/robinhood-suicide-alex-kearns/index.html

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

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Been looking at these guys.  Never used them but pricing seems competitive.

On the L3 side, they don't have DHCP relay or IPv6 features.  They are 
"roadmap" items they claim "should" be out by the end of the year.  Those are a 
deal breaker for us but YMMV.  It's definitely a switch/edge device and not 
targeted at core routing.

One thing I really like is the smaller form (<14" deep) and dual -48VDC input.  
They have AC and 24VDC as well.

https://www.telco.com/products-by-category/ethernet-mpls-aggregation/t-metro-8104


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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

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From: AF  on behalf of Charles Boening 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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Been looking at these guys. Never used them but pricing seems competitive.

On the L3 side, they don't have DHCP relay or IPv6 features. They are "roadmap" 
items they claim "should" be out by the end of the year. Those are a deal 
breaker for us but YMMV. It's definitely a switch/edge device and not targeted 
at core routing.

One thing I really like is the smaller form (<14" deep) and dual -48VDC input. 
They have AC and 24VDC as well.

https://www.telco.com/products-by-category/ethernet-mpls-aggregation/t-metro-8104


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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Steve Jones]

Im not going to lie, I watch a lot of Univision, I dont speak spanish, Im
not ashamed

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:26 PM  wrote:

> That is like showing cooking shows to a guy on a feeding tube...
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 3:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>
> There is a dumb show called ES Show with six hostesses...yikes
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 2:57 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> I expected the response to be that those were her measurements but………
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:27 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>>
>>
>>
>> There were numbers in that picture?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yep.  Nerds
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 9:43 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> What's funniest is Jamie posts that picture and everyone here is focused
>> on the units of temperature.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/1/2020 10:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Nanohenry
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a
>> Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>>
>>
>>
>> Centigrade
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:07 PM
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Jaime Solorza]

Darrin (RIP) was a tech from Nebraska that moved to El Paso in late 90s and
I hired him when I had my company...we were doing allot of cross border
shots from Texas towns to US and Japanese factories on Mexican side
(Maquiladoras).  He got hooked on Mexican channels and after three years he
learned to speak Spanish.   He thought some of the shows were rated X...

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:59 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Im not going to lie, I watch a lot of Univision, I dont speak spanish, Im
> not ashamed
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:26 PM  wrote:
>
>> That is like showing cooking shows to a guy on a feeding tube...
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 3:23 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
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>> There is a dumb show called ES Show with six hostesses...yikes
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>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 2:57 PM James Howard  wrote:
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>>> I expected the response to be that those were her measurements but………
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:27 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
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>>>
>>>
>>> There were numbers in that picture?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep.  Nerds
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 9:43 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
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>>> What's funniest is Jamie posts that picture and everyone here is focused
>>> on the units of temperature.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/1/2020 10:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Nanohenry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
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>>> Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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>>> 
>>>
>>> Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a
>>> Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Centigrade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:07 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Very hot weather
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