Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Adam Moffett]

They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on 
how they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that 
they aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore 
the data can't be verified, therefore not adequate for science.


Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by 
evil scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast 
how often does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong 
about that"?  How often does anyone do that?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[chuck]

Reminds me of a scene from “space force”.  Critics trashed the series but I 
took a chance.  I find it funny AF.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:58 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how they 
acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they aren't 
allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data can't be 
verified, therefore not adequate for science.  


Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil 
scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how often 
does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"?  How 
often does anyone do that? 




On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:

  
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Jason McKemie]

I've been watching it as well, really funny IMO.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:10 AM  wrote:

> Reminds me of a scene from “space force”.  Critics trashed the series but
> I took a chance.  I find it funny AF.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 8, 2020 7:58 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered
>
>
> They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how
> they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they
> aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the
> data can't be verified, therefore not adequate for science.
>
> Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil
> scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how
> often does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about
> that"?  How often does anyone do that?
>
>
> On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:
>
>
> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Are Halon systems even legal to install anymore?

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I have no recollection of where we were getting them, but we used to huff
> halon from fire extinguishers into a balloon or an ambu bag. i can attest,
> halon puts things out (people)
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Halon will kill you if you are in the room when it goes off.  No oxygen
>> availability.
>> Good smoke sniffer system and a rack by rack power killing system is what
>> some use.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 7:47 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > So one of our sites has become pretty darn important so I was
>> considering a 'clean agent' fire system (like Halon)
>> >
>> > Wondering what you guys use? This room has a sprinkler, should I look
>> at getting it removed? Or build a shield over our racks?
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

[chuck]

Not sure.  There is some prohibition but some exemptions as I recall.
I was only in one large data center that had a halon system.  You had to get 
trained before you entered as to what to do if it triggered.  I remember big 
red E stop buttons around.  Not sure if that cut off the halon, or turned on 
the ventilation system or opened the doors... something to help you survive.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

Are Halon systems even legal to install anymore? 

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  I have no recollection of where we were getting them, but we used to huff 
halon from fire extinguishers into a balloon or an ambu bag. i can attest, 
halon puts things out (people)

  On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Halon will kill you if you are in the room when it goes off.  No oxygen 
availability.
Good smoke sniffer system and a rack by rack power killing system is what 
some use.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 7:47 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> 
> So one of our sites has become pretty darn important so I was considering 
a 'clean agent' fire system (like Halon)
> 
> Wondering what you guys use? This room has a sprinkler, should I look at 
getting it removed? Or build a shield over our racks?
> 
> If the fire didn't get us, the water will. Ugh. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - UK food porn

[SmarterBroadband]

You cannot beat a full monty breakfast...

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:12 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - UK food porn

 

Is this how people in the UK actually eat?  If the cholesterol doesn't kill
them, scurvy will.

https://twitter.com/ratemyplatenow

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - UK food porn

[chuck]

How about a full monty with spotted dick?

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 12:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - UK food porn

You cannot beat a full monty breakfast…..

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:12 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - UK food porn

 

Is this how people in the UK actually eat?  If the cholesterol doesn’t kill 
them, scurvy will.

https://twitter.com/ratemyplatenow

 




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Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

[Brian Webster]

We had halon systems in the main propulsion rooms on some of the Navy Ships 
(mostly gas turbine powered if memory serves me). We had things like an 
emergency escape breathing device you would wear on your hip while working in 
those spaces, you could stick that in your mouth and have a few minutes of 
oxygen you could use as you were exiting the spaces. There was an alarm that 
went off before the halon deployed and I forget what the time was you had to 
make the escape from the space before it would discharge (30 to 45 seconds 
rings a bell but’s it been a long time). 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 11:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

 

Not sure.  There is some prohibition but some exemptions as I recall.

I was only in one large data center that had a halon system.  You had to get 
trained before you entered as to what to do if it triggered.  I remember big 
red E stop buttons around.  Not sure if that cut off the halon, or turned on 
the ventilation system or opened the doors... something to help you survive.  

 

From: Kurt Fankhauser 

Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:40 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

 

Are Halon systems even legal to install anymore? 

 

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

I have no recollection of where we were getting them, but we used to huff halon 
from fire extinguishers into a balloon or an ambu bag. i can attest, halon puts 
things out (people)

 

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Halon will kill you if you are in the room when it goes off.  No oxygen 
availability.
Good smoke sniffer system and a rack by rack power killing system is what some 
use.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 7:47 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> 
> So one of our sites has become pretty darn important so I was considering a 
> 'clean agent' fire system (like Halon)
> 
> Wondering what you guys use? This room has a sprinkler, should I look at 
> getting it removed? Or build a shield over our racks?
> 
> If the fire didn't get us, the water will. Ugh. 
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[AFMUG] fiber customer routers

[Dev]

What routers are you using in the home for fiber deployments? Calix has some 
that are gold-plated and made with baby seal tears, or at least are priced as 
such. They promise marital harmony in the home, bright kids who score well on 
tests, etc. Is there a lest costly alternative? I don’t like their proprietary 
SFP’s on their GPON setup anyway, guaranteeing vendor lock in for overpriced 
SFP’s.

Are you doing media converters and just normal routers (hopefully with remote 
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers

[Darin Steffl]

If you just get the gigacenter 844E, they start at $109 and go down based
on purchase agreements. We get them for $100 each. I don't find that
expensive at all. Their mesh solution is great and affordable too.

By far better than any other managed solution available today.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 4:58 PM Dev  wrote:

> What routers are you using in the home for fiber deployments? Calix has
> some that are gold-plated and made with baby seal tears, or at least are
> priced as such. They promise marital harmony in the home, bright kids who
> score well on tests, etc. Is there a lest costly alternative? I don’t like
> their proprietary SFP’s on their GPON setup anyway, guaranteeing vendor
> lock in for overpriced SFP’s.
>
> Are you doing media converters and just normal routers (hopefully with
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers

[chuck]

I don’t think you can beat Calix for value.  They allow such insight and 
control that it will save you a bunch of time and money just dealing with the 
garden variety tech support router crap calls that you will wonder how you ever 
lived without them.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers

If you just get the gigacenter 844E, they start at $109 and go down based on 
purchase agreements. We get them for $100 each. I don't find that expensive at 
all. Their mesh solution is great and affordable too. 

By far better than any other managed solution available today. 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 4:58 PM Dev  wrote:

  What routers are you using in the home for fiber deployments? Calix has some 
that are gold-plated and made with baby seal tears, or at least are priced as 
such. They promise marital harmony in the home, bright kids who score well on 
tests, etc. Is there a lest costly alternative? I don’t like their proprietary 
SFP’s on their GPON setup anyway, guaranteeing vendor lock in for overpriced 
SFP’s.

  Are you doing media converters and just normal routers (hopefully with remote 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[justsumname .]

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science.
No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned
the absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how
> they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they
> aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the
> data can't be verified, therefore not adequate for science.
>
> Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil
> scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how
> often does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about
> that"?  How often does anyone do that?
>
>
> On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:
>
>
> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Robert]

I heard that Utah is at a 21% growth rate right now.  6th of 50..  what 
changed?


On 6/8/20 8:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science.
No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we 
learned the absolute cure for COVID-19:    Mass public gatherings and 
riots.

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On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


They bought the source data from a research company. When pressed
on how they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company
replied that they aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality
agreements.  Therefore the data can't be verified, therefore not
adequate for science.

Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked"
by evil scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By
contrast how often does a politician come back and say, "oh I
guess I was wrong about that"? How often does anyone do that?


On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social


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Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers

[Jason McKemie]

We're starting to use the Gigaspires, they have a newer model that is
somewhat like an updated 844E.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 8:07 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> If you just get the gigacenter 844E, they start at $109 and go down based
> on purchase agreements. We get them for $100 each. I don't find that
> expensive at all. Their mesh solution is great and affordable too.
>
> By far better than any other managed solution available today.
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 4:58 PM Dev  wrote:
>
>> What routers are you using in the home for fiber deployments? Calix has
>> some that are gold-plated and made with baby seal tears, or at least are
>> priced as such. They promise marital harmony in the home, bright kids who
>> score well on tests, etc. Is there a lest costly alternative? I don’t like
>> their proprietary SFP’s on their GPON setup anyway, guaranteeing vendor
>> lock in for overpriced SFP’s.
>>
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