Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

[Josh Luthman]

Just as Bill and James stated.

We're an LLC taxed as S.

Josh Luthman
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On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:21 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp.
> However, our accountant advised us to pay ourselves a token salary to avoid
> troublesome revenuers.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Corporation
> I am a minority shareholder.
> My wife is the majority shareholder.  But you still don’t have to pay
> shareholders anything.
> If they are on the board of directors they can earn a directors fee.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 12:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan
>
> I thought it was bad to have a business and not pay the owners "a
> reasonable salary".
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:46 PM  wrote:
>
>> dunno...  Why pay FICA for myself when I don’t need to?   I can take a
>> repayment on notes payable if I want money without any tax implication.  Or
>> I can take a directors fee without FICA if I want to take money.  But what
>> in the hell am I going to do with a bunch of money in my checking account?
>> I can buy more TSLA I guess.  I would rather have a Mincon pneumatic hammer
>> drill setup for my directional drills.
>>
>> Resisting the urge to buy a Tesla or an airplane.  I do miss the C-210
>> with known ice capability.  But an ultralight would be more fun.
>> Could do a sailboat but I would probably never use it.   I used to sail
>> on the Great Salt Lake.
>>
>> I am just fortunate to be semi-retired and not really wanting for
>> anything.
>> Other than visits from kids and grandkids.
>>
>> In other words “I have sufficient for my needs”.
>> Maybe a water jet or a CNC laser...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:37 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan
>>
>> Why were you not?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:19 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> We are still going to keep it sequestered.  I should have been paying
>>> myself...
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:02 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan
>>>
>>> It's my understanding that in 8 weeks all you have to do is prove you
>>> did payroll for 75% of the amount loaned.  In your case, show 90k came out
>>> of the account to payroll.  The reports that the payroll company does, I'm
>>> told, should suffice.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:17 PM  wrote:
>>>
 Lewis,
 Are you taking any special measures to be able to prove you used the
 loan proceeds for approved uses?
 Kinda hard when they get comingled with other funds in a general
 checking account.
 I think we put them in a separate savings account.

 *From:* Lewis Bergman
 *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:09 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

 $10k? How many people do you have? I think I got nearly $500k between
 all the companies.

 On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 7:01 PM  wrote:

> Got our supposedly to be forgiven $10K loan today.  We shall see...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

[Josh Luthman]

Did you actually get away with minimum wage?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:36 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Minimum wage
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 6:18 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> What's your idea of a token salary in respect to an S-Corp?
>>
>> Keefe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 1:21 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp.
>>> However, our accountant advised us to pay ourselves a token salary to avoid
>>> troublesome revenuers.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Corporation
>>> I am a minority shareholder.
>>> My wife is the majority shareholder.  But you still don’t have to pay
>>> shareholders anything.
>>> If they are on the board of directors they can earn a directors fee.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 12:04 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan
>>>
>>> I thought it was bad to have a business and not pay the owners "a
>>> reasonable salary".
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:46 PM  wrote:
>>>
 dunno...  Why pay FICA for myself when I don’t need to?   I can take a
 repayment on notes payable if I want money without any tax implication.  Or
 I can take a directors fee without FICA if I want to take money.  But what
 in the hell am I going to do with a bunch of money in my checking account?
 I can buy more TSLA I guess.  I would rather have a Mincon pneumatic hammer
 drill setup for my directional drills.

 Resisting the urge to buy a Tesla or an airplane.  I do miss the C-210
 with known ice capability.  But an ultralight would be more fun.
 Could do a sailboat but I would probably never use it.   I used to sail
 on the Great Salt Lake.

 I am just fortunate to be semi-retired and not really wanting for
 anything.
 Other than visits from kids and grandkids.

 In other words “I have sufficient for my needs”.
 Maybe a water jet or a CNC laser...

 *From:* Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:37 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

 Why were you not?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:19 AM  wrote:

> We are still going to keep it sequestered.  I should have been paying
> myself...
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:02 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan
>
> It's my understanding that in 8 weeks all you have to do is prove you
> did payroll for 75% of the amount loaned.  In your case, show 90k came out
> of the account to payroll.  The reports that the payroll company does, I'm
> told, should suffice.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:17 PM  wrote:
>
>> Lewis,
>> Are you taking any special measures to be able to prove you used the
>> loan proceeds for approved uses?
>> Kinda hard when they get comingled with other funds in a general
>> checking account.
>> I think we put them in a separate savings account.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:09 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan
>>
>> $10k? How many people do you have? I think I got nearly $500k between
>> all the companies.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 7:01 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Got our supposedly to be forgiven $10K loan today.  We shall see...
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Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

[Adam Moffett]

You pay for the total length of their fiber that you're using.

In my case I actually did want to get from Town A to B to C, and they 
counted each leg as a separate IRU.  The points where we stop at a 
splice case were the ends of their run.  So A-B was one billing item and 
B-C was another.  They only billed for total fiber footage, not for 
splice points in between.  In that case there wasn't even a setup fee to 
connect the endpoints, but there was monthly maintenance.


I'm peripherally aware of another dark fiber provider that we work 
with.  I didn't make the deals with them, but I think they do charge for 
each splice.  In their case the leasing cost is a lot lower though, so I 
think that one all works out ok.



On 4/20/2020 5:09 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
So do you only pay for the dark fiber for the physical cable length 
that they have it, Like Splice box to splice box, then you put a pig 
tail on the end of that.  Or Would the 'Connection' cost be for every 
splice box they have to go through.  Say, a connection from City A to 
City C, but the Fiber goes through CityB?  Is there a 'connection' in 
City B, or do you have to have equipment in CityB.


On 4/20/2020 2:23 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


In my experience you pay a recurring maintenance fee to cover repairs 
and such.


You don't get to access their cases, so you leave them a pigtail and 
they splice it into their system.  Often you pay each time you need 
them to make a connection for you (hopefully just the once).



On 4/20/2020 3:20 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I'm not in the dark fiber game, but what do you mean by 'per-event' 
billing?  Like if there's a fiber cut, you're responsible for part 
of the repair cost?  Or is that for like accessing the electronics 
on the ends of the fiber.


On 4/20/2020 2:10 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
Those seem like fair rates, is that all inclusive or will you also 
get billed for maintenance annually or per-event?


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:44 PM Jeremy Grip > wrote:


Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber pricing
per strand mile? I’m trying to figure out if the rates Vermont
asks for state-owned fiber are reasonable, see the attached.

Jeremy Grip, LTLOP (long time lurker, occasional poster)

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Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

[Jaime Solorza]

What do you call someone who speaks three languages?   Trilingual
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?  Bilingual
What do you call someone who speaks one language?  American

I speak several and understand many more.  Some of my grandkids are Leary
French, German and Mandarin.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:14 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> this is why we speak murcan here in merca
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Claro que si mi buen Gino...saludos y abrazos
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:46 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, Saw the door… as in the tool…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino*
>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> m:
>>> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>>>  [image: fb-logo]
>>>   [image: insta-logo]
>>>   [image: in-logo]
>>>   [image:
>>> tw-logo]
>>> 
>>>   [image: yt-logo]
>>> 
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:32 PM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Literally it's .. mountain range the door.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 5:57 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Mountains of doors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2020 5:28 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe if they spelled it right, the puerta would be cerrada.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That's essentially what our $15K/year was. $7.50/hour X 40 hours
  X 50 weeks = $15K. Not that we only worked 40 hours, or 50 weeks,
  but still.


bp



On 4/21/2020 6:22 AM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  
  Did you actually get away with minimum wage?

  

  


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
  

  
  
  
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:36
  PM Lewis Bergman 
  wrote:


  Minimum wage
  
  
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 6:18
  PM Keefe John 
  wrote:


  
What's your idea of a token salary in respect to an
  S-Corp?


Keefe 
  
      
  
  
  
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020,
  1:21 PM Bill Prince 
  wrote:


  
We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3
  years of our S-corp. However, our accountant
  advised us to pay ourselves a token salary to
  avoid troublesome revenuers.

bp



On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  Corporation
  I am a minority shareholder.  
  My wife is the majority shareholder.  But
you still don’t have to pay shareholders
anything.  
  If they are on the board of directors
they can earn a directors fee.  
  

   
  
From: Josh Luthman

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020
  12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
  guvmnt loan
  

 
  
  
I thought it was bad to have
  a business and not pay the owners "a
  reasonable salary".
  

  
 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
   

 

  On Mon,
Apr 20, 2020 at 12:46 PM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  dunno...  Why pay FICA for
myself when I don’t need to?   I
can take a repayment on notes
payable if I want money without
any tax implication.  Or I can
take a directors fee without
FICA if I want to take money. 
But what in the hell am I going
to do with a bunch of money in
my checking account?  I can buy
more TSLA I guess.  I would
rather have a Mincon pneumatic
hammer drill setup for my
directional d

[AFMUG] OT One month

[chuck]

The reason I say one month is this chart:


We had the start of the deaths about a month ago.  If this is a “normal curve” 
or a Gaussian distribution, the right half of the curve will mirror the left 
half.  If we had the peak on April 15, and the deaths started on Mar 15 then 
they will end on May 15 if we continue with our efforts.  

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

[Gilbert Gutierrez]

I have gotten approval, I now must file the form within 10 days. The
license is applicable for only 60.

Gilbert

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:37 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> File Number 0009030232
>
> Look up that file number and copy paste using your irrelevant company and
> geographical information make sure that you open and view all of the
> attachments download them edit copy paste with relevant company and
> geographical information.
>
> I'm guessing at this point the STA requests either will not be approved or
> will take so long that it won't be useful.
>
> I don't think the FCC was expecting many to apply seems as if the volume
> of applications has screwed this up for everyone.
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:25 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> i cant find it
>> when i went to do it it seemed too straight forward for me to have been
>> doing it correctly
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:53 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> i posted a tutorial on facebook wisp talk, or at least a barebone
>>> tutorial, I guess I'm probably a majority of the reason that no one has
>>> received the STA. I think at this point it's not even worth the keystrokes
>>> guys...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:00 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 has anyone put together a tutorial


 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 4:47 PM Gilbert Gutierrez <
 mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:

> Those of you that applied...What schedules did you attach to your 601
> application? There is a lot with the application and being able to
> narrow it down would be a help.
>
> Gilbert
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[AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Nate Burke]

It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic 
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later, 
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I 
don't remember it being this bad before.  I've had to use the FedEx site 
recently, it's really bad about this.


The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half the 
screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the screen so 
it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.


I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how to 
use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her church 
services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a VCR.  She 
does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean (play/pause, 
etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her Eyes, so she has to 
look at her fingers as they are doing something (why she's never been 
able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets cursor lined up, looks at 
hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, click does nothing).  She 
watches TV by typing in the channel number.  So the instructions need to 
be like 'Push the button with a house, then Push the bottom of the big 
circle down 2 times, then push the middle of the big circle'  But this 
never works, as Amazon/youtube will always re-order the icons, and Since 
she's not looking at the screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is 
changing as she is pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations 
for this would be appreciated)


My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after 
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app you 
want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've opened the 
wrong thing.


I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these 
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only worse 
from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's to have 
their own interface for their content.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Adam Moffett]

Drives me nuts too.

I've already clicked a spot, and the object I just tried to click moved 
at the last moment.


Also I start typing a URL and halfway through the cursor automatically 
moves to the Google search box.


Also I start typing a URL and the browser wants to auto complete 
something unrelated. Especially with IP addresses.  I type in the 
address bar "10.1.5.15" and the bastard fills it in as "10.1.5.154" 
which I visited on another day.  I press enter after typing the "15" and 
I get 154 instead.


Also picture icons.  I've gotten used to settings being either gears or 
a hamburger, but everything else seems like the pictures are unrelated 
to the function.  I'm sure it makes localization easier to have no 
fracking words.  It's illegible to /everyone/ this way.  Very equal and 
fair.


I have no solutions.  When I'm old and my mind is fraying I'll just go 
sit in the rocking chair with a book and not use any of this technical 
garbage.  None of it works properly any damn way. I'll forget what the 
book said and read it again next week like it was brand new.  It'll be 
amazing.





On 4/21/2020 12:37 PM, Nate Burke wrote:


It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic 
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later, 
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I 
don't remember it being this bad before.  I've had to use the FedEx 
site recently, it's really bad about this.


The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half the 
screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the screen 
so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.


I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how to 
use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her church 
services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a VCR.  She 
does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean (play/pause, 
etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her Eyes, so she has 
to look at her fingers as they are doing something (why she's never 
been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets cursor lined up, 
looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, click does 
nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel number.  So the 
instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a house, then Push 
the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push the middle of the 
big circle'  But this never works, as Amazon/youtube will always 
re-order the icons, and Since she's not looking at the screen, she 
doesn't see the 'selected' icon is changing as she is pushing 
buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations for this would be 
appreciated)


My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after 
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app 
you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've 
opened the wrong thing.


I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these 
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only 
worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's to 
have their own interface for their content.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[James Howard]

In that case, they actually live pretty much in the middle of that city.  The 
city hall/PD is just down the block.  My in-laws didn’t complain (they didn’t 
have any pets so didn’t have any issues).  I do agree about people moving out 
into “nature” and then complaining about it.  Just like the people who move out 
to small lot next to a pig farm and then start raising a stink (pun intended) 
about the smells.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

i was referring to james post. raining a stink and making it the city and other 
taxpayers problem for their choices

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:26 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I don't know they were mad so much as feeling how stupid they were to have left 
the door open.

bp




On 4/20/2020 6:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I never understood people that want to live near nature, but then get mad 
because nature does nature stuff

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:34 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was open) and 
snatch their dachshund. They were sitting at the kitchen table and were 
dumbfounded while they watched their little wiener dog disappear forever.

bp




On 4/20/2020 11:35 AM, James Howard wrote:
My in-laws’ lot backs up to a “nature preserve” in a city nearby us.  They used 
to have coyotes in the back yard all the time.  The neighbors started 
complaining to the city because all their cats were disappearing.  One neighbor 
had their black lab mauled by the coyotes and the next house down had their 
little puff-ball dog eaten by them.  They made enough stink after that to get 
the city to hire someone to come in and shoot them with tranquilizers and take 
them away (the coyotes, not the neighbors).  I don’t think they’ve seen any 
behind their house since then.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic dogs 
to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well.



bp




On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard wrote:
You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week.  Thankfully 
they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for some reason.  My neighbor 
said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an adult deer about half way down his 
driveway a couple of years ago.  We never knew if the deer was hit by a car (it 
was about 1/8 mile from the road) or if the coyotes actually killed it. Didn’t 
seem to worry  them at all that his dobermans were standing by the edge of 
their fence (buried wire) barking at them about 50’ away.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


We got this at 20:00 last night.



bp




On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Why are we mooing?

Can I cluck like a chicken instead?


On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Moo

From: castarritt .
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective treatment 
methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an attempt to cause 
a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare industry too much, but 
eventually cause enough people to catch the virus that we develop herd immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without China-level 
lock-downs or vaccines.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Nate Burke]

The IP Address thing drives me crazy too!

On 4/21/2020 11:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Drives me nuts too.

I've already clicked a spot, and the object I just tried to click 
moved at the last moment.


Also I start typing a URL and halfway through the cursor automatically 
moves to the Google search box.


Also I start typing a URL and the browser wants to auto complete 
something unrelated. Especially with IP addresses.  I type in the 
address bar "10.1.5.15" and the bastard fills it in as "10.1.5.154" 
which I visited on another day.  I press enter after typing the "15" 
and I get 154 instead.


Also picture icons.  I've gotten used to settings being either gears 
or a hamburger, but everything else seems like the pictures are 
unrelated to the function.  I'm sure it makes localization easier to 
have no fracking words.  It's illegible to /everyone/ this way.  Very 
equal and fair.


I have no solutions.  When I'm old and my mind is fraying I'll just go 
sit in the rocking chair with a book and not use any of this technical 
garbage.  None of it works properly any damn way.  I'll forget what 
the book said and read it again next week like it was brand new.  
It'll be amazing.





On 4/21/2020 12:37 PM, Nate Burke wrote:


It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic 
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later, 
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I 
don't remember it being this bad before. I've had to use the FedEx 
site recently, it's really bad about this.


The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half 
the screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the 
screen so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.


I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how 
to use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her 
church services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a 
VCR.  She does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean 
(play/pause, etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her 
Eyes, so she has to look at her fingers as they are doing something 
(why she's never been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets 
cursor lined up, looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, 
click does nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel 
number.  So the instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a 
house, then Push the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push 
the middle of the big circle'  But this never works, as 
Amazon/youtube will always re-order the icons, and Since she's not 
looking at the screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is 
changing as she is pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful 
explanations for this would be appreciated)


My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after 
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app 
you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've 
opened the wrong thing.


I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these 
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only 
worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's 
to have their own interface for their content.








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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/21/20 9:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

The IP Address thing drives me crazy too!


I hate that, and the thing where browsers now add http(s):// when you 
copy and paste out of the address bar.


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Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

[Steve Jones]

Das raycess

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 9:48 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> What do you call someone who speaks three languages?   Trilingual
> What do you call someone who speaks two languages?  Bilingual
> What do you call someone who speaks one language?  American
>
> I speak several and understand many more.  Some of my grandkids are Leary
> French, German and Mandarin.
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:14 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> this is why we speak murcan here in merca
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Claro que si mi buen Gino...saludos y abrazos
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:46 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Also, Saw the door… as in the tool…



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 *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
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 *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Date: *Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:32 PM
 *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta



 Literally it's .. mountain range the door.



 On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 5:57 PM  wrote:

 Mountains of doors



 *From:* Ken Hohhof

 *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2020 5:28 PM

 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

 *Subject:* [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta



 Maybe if they spelled it right, the puerta would be cerrada.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Steve Jones]

I get pussed about this every morning on the toilet

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 11:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> 
> It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic
> content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later,
> everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I
> don't remember it being this bad before.  I've had to use the FedEx site
> recently, it's really bad about this.
>
> The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half the
> screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the screen so
> it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.
>
> I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how to
> use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her church
> services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a VCR.  She
> does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean (play/pause,
> etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her Eyes, so she has to
> look at her fingers as they are doing something (why she's never been
> able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets cursor lined up, looks at
> hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, click does nothing).  She
> watches TV by typing in the channel number.  So the instructions need to
> be like 'Push the button with a house, then Push the bottom of the big
> circle down 2 times, then push the middle of the big circle'  But this
> never works, as Amazon/youtube will always re-order the icons, and Since
> she's not looking at the screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is
> changing as she is pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations
> for this would be appreciated)
>
> My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after
> it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app you
> want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've opened the
> wrong thing.
>
> I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these
> new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only worse
> from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's to have
> their own interface for their content.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Bill Prince]

I hear you. Can't help your older relative, but when I encounter a web 
site that pulls that kind of crap, I copy the URL and bring it up in a 
Brave browser. It is not perfect, but does just about the best job of 
any browser in cutting out the cruff. and this is without any add-ins or 
extensions.



bp


On 4/21/2020 9:37 AM, Nate Burke wrote:


It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic 
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later, 
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I 
don't remember it being this bad before.  I've had to use the FedEx 
site recently, it's really bad about this.


The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half the 
screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the screen 
so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.


I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how to 
use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her church 
services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a VCR.  She 
does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean (play/pause, 
etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her Eyes, so she has 
to look at her fingers as they are doing something (why she's never 
been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets cursor lined up, 
looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, click does 
nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel number.  So the 
instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a house, then Push 
the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push the middle of the 
big circle'  But this never works, as Amazon/youtube will always 
re-order the icons, and Since she's not looking at the screen, she 
doesn't see the 'selected' icon is changing as she is pushing 
buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations for this would be 
appreciated)


My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after 
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app 
you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've 
opened the wrong thing.


I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these 
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only 
worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's to 
have their own interface for their content.





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Nate Burke]

I'm oldschool and still using noscript in my Firefox, I can't imagine 
browsing the web without it.  But sometimes you just need that site that 
pulls in the content from 1000 different URL's and javascript 
libraries.  That's the only time I use Chrome.


On 4/21/2020 12:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I hear you. Can't help your older relative, but when I encounter a web 
site that pulls that kind of crap, I copy the URL and bring it up in a 
Brave browser. It is not perfect, but does just about the best job of 
any browser in cutting out the cruff. and this is without any add-ins 
or extensions.



bp


On 4/21/2020 9:37 AM, Nate Burke wrote:


It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic 
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later, 
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I 
don't remember it being this bad before. I've had to use the FedEx 
site recently, it's really bad about this.


The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half 
the screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the 
screen so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.


I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how 
to use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her 
church services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a 
VCR.  She does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean 
(play/pause, etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her 
Eyes, so she has to look at her fingers as they are doing something 
(why she's never been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets 
cursor lined up, looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, 
click does nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel 
number.  So the instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a 
house, then Push the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push 
the middle of the big circle'  But this never works, as 
Amazon/youtube will always re-order the icons, and Since she's not 
looking at the screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is 
changing as she is pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful 
explanations for this would be appreciated)


My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after 
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app 
you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've 
opened the wrong thing.


I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these 
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only 
worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's 
to have their own interface for their content.








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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Ken Hohhof]

It seems like every week I run into more sites that only work in Chrome.
And Ubiquiti products.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

I'm oldschool and still using noscript in my Firefox, I can't imagine
browsing the web without it.  But sometimes you just need that site that
pulls in the content from 1000 different URL's and javascript libraries.
That's the only time I use Chrome.

On 4/21/2020 12:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> I hear you. Can't help your older relative, but when I encounter a web 
> site that pulls that kind of crap, I copy the URL and bring it up in a 
> Brave browser. It is not perfect, but does just about the best job of 
> any browser in cutting out the cruff. and this is without any add-ins 
> or extensions.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/21/2020 9:37 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> 
>> It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic 
>> content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later, 
>> everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I 
>> don't remember it being this bad before. I've had to use the FedEx 
>> site recently, it's really bad about this.
>>
>> The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half 
>> the screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the 
>> screen so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.
>>
>> I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how 
>> to use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her 
>> church services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a 
>> VCR.  She does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean 
>> (play/pause, etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her 
>> Eyes, so she has to look at her fingers as they are doing something 
>> (why she's never been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets 
>> cursor lined up, looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, 
>> click does nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel number.  
>> So the instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a house, 
>> then Push the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push the 
>> middle of the big circle'  But this never works, as Amazon/youtube 
>> will always re-order the icons, and Since she's not looking at the 
>> screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is changing as she is 
>> pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations for this would be 
>> appreciated)
>>
>> My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after 
>> it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app 
>> you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've 
>> opened the wrong thing.
>>
>> I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these 
>> new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only 
>> worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's 
>> to have their own interface for their content.
>> 
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[James Howard]

This isn't that thread about anal recognition devices is it?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

I get pussed about this every morning on the toilet

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 11:38 AM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later,
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I
don't remember it being this bad before.  I've had to use the FedEx site
recently, it's really bad about this.

The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half the
screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the screen so
it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.

I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how to
use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her church
services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a VCR.  She
does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean (play/pause,
etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her Eyes, so she has to
look at her fingers as they are doing something (why she's never been
able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets cursor lined up, looks at
hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, click does nothing).  She
watches TV by typing in the channel number.  So the instructions need to
be like 'Push the button with a house, then Push the bottom of the big
circle down 2 times, then push the middle of the big circle'  But this
never works, as Amazon/youtube will always re-order the icons, and Since
she's not looking at the screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is
changing as she is pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations
for this would be appreciated)

My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app you
want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've opened the
wrong thing.

I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only worse
from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's to have
their own interface for their content.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Adam Moffett]

I think he's saying the toilet only works with chrome and moves the 
controls around when he tries to use them.



On 4/21/2020 2:02 PM, James Howard wrote:


This isn’t that thread about anal recognition devices is it?

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

I get pussed about this every morning on the toilet

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 11:38 AM Nate Burke > wrote:



It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later,
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I
don't remember it being this bad before.  I've had to use the
FedEx site
recently, it's really bad about this.

The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half
the
screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the
screen so
it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.

I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative
how to
use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her church
services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a VCR.  She
does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean (play/pause,
etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her Eyes, so she
has to
look at her fingers as they are doing something (why she's never been
able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets cursor lined up, looks at
hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, click does nothing).  She
watches TV by typing in the channel number.  So the instructions
need to
be like 'Push the button with a house, then Push the bottom of the
big
circle down 2 times, then push the middle of the big circle'  But
this
never works, as Amazon/youtube will always re-order the icons, and
Since
she's not looking at the screen, she doesn't see the 'selected'
icon is
changing as she is pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful
explanations
for this would be appreciated)

My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the
app you
want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've
opened the
wrong thing.

I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only
worse
from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's to have
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[James Howard]

Maybe it’s a problem because it’s not recognizing an authorized user.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 1:09 PM
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I think he's saying the toilet only works with chrome and moves the controls 
around when he tries to use them.


On 4/21/2020 2:02 PM, James Howard wrote:
This isn’t that thread about anal recognition devices is it?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

I get pussed about this every morning on the toilet

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 11:38 AM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later,
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I
don't remember it being this bad before.  I've had to use the FedEx site
recently, it's really bad about this.

The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half the
screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the screen so
it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.

I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how to
use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her church
services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a VCR.  She
does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean (play/pause,
etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her Eyes, so she has to
look at her fingers as they are doing something (why she's never been
able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets cursor lined up, looks at
hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, click does nothing).  She
watches TV by typing in the channel number.  So the instructions need to
be like 'Push the button with a house, then Push the bottom of the big
circle down 2 times, then push the middle of the big circle'  But this
never works, as Amazon/youtube will always re-order the icons, and Since
she's not looking at the screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is
changing as she is pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations
for this would be appreciated)

My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app you
want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've opened the
wrong thing.

I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these
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from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's to have
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

[Gilbert Gutierrez]

Mr. Trout,
What you provided helped. I am not the normal person for FCC applications
so there was a bit of a learning curve on some of the form 601 questions. I
didn't even know you could do it online. I have now submitted after getting
an email approval earlier.

Thank you,
Gilbert

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:40 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> FYI it's not as simple as the FCC receiving an application and saying
> "you're approved" . They have to get approval from the incumbent
> license holders as well as the ntia? For each individual wisp.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:36 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> File Number 0009030232
>>
>> Look up that file number and copy paste using your irrelevant company and
>> geographical information make sure that you open and view all of the
>> attachments download them edit copy paste with relevant company and
>> geographical information.
>>
>> I'm guessing at this point the STA requests either will not be approved
>> or will take so long that it won't be useful.
>>
>> I don't think the FCC was expecting many to apply seems as if the volume
>> of applications has screwed this up for everyone.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:25 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i cant find it
>>> when i went to do it it seemed too straight forward for me to have been
>>> doing it correctly
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:53 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
 i posted a tutorial on facebook wisp talk, or at least a barebone
 tutorial, I guess I'm probably a majority of the reason that no one has
 received the STA. I think at this point it's not even worth the keystrokes
 guys...

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:00 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> has anyone put together a tutorial
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 4:47 PM Gilbert Gutierrez <
> mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Those of you that applied...What schedules did you attach to your 601
>> application? There is a lot with the application and being able to
>> narrow it down would be a help.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Bill Prince]

Many browsers are built on top of chromium. Chrome itself, the new 
Microsoft Edge browser, even Brave. I think Firefox is still built on 
top of Gecko, and I'm not sure about Safari.


bp


On 4/21/2020 11:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It seems like every week I run into more sites that only work in Chrome.
And Ubiquiti products.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

I'm oldschool and still using noscript in my Firefox, I can't imagine
browsing the web without it.  But sometimes you just need that site that
pulls in the content from 1000 different URL's and javascript libraries.
That's the only time I use Chrome.

On 4/21/2020 12:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I hear you. Can't help your older relative, but when I encounter a web
site that pulls that kind of crap, I copy the URL and bring it up in a
Brave browser. It is not perfect, but does just about the best job of
any browser in cutting out the cruff. and this is without any add-ins
or extensions.


bp


On 4/21/2020 9:37 AM, Nate Burke wrote:


It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later,
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I
don't remember it being this bad before. I've had to use the FedEx
site recently, it's really bad about this.

The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half
the screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the
screen so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.

I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how
to use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her
church services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a
VCR.  She does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean
(play/pause, etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her
Eyes, so she has to look at her fingers as they are doing something
(why she's never been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets
cursor lined up, looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves,
click does nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel number.
So the instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a house,
then Push the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push the
middle of the big circle'  But this never works, as Amazon/youtube
will always re-order the icons, and Since she's not looking at the
screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is changing as she is
pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations for this would be
appreciated)

My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app
you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've
opened the wrong thing.

I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only
worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Nate Burke]

What are you finding that's only working in Chrome?  I haven't run into 
that yet.


On 4/21/2020 1:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It seems like every week I run into more sites that only work in Chrome.
And Ubiquiti products.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

I'm oldschool and still using noscript in my Firefox, I can't imagine
browsing the web without it.  But sometimes you just need that site that
pulls in the content from 1000 different URL's and javascript libraries.
That's the only time I use Chrome.

On 4/21/2020 12:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I hear you. Can't help your older relative, but when I encounter a web
site that pulls that kind of crap, I copy the URL and bring it up in a
Brave browser. It is not perfect, but does just about the best job of
any browser in cutting out the cruff. and this is without any add-ins
or extensions.


bp


On 4/21/2020 9:37 AM, Nate Burke wrote:


It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later,
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I
don't remember it being this bad before. I've had to use the FedEx
site recently, it's really bad about this.

The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half
the screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the
screen so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.

I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how
to use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her
church services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a
VCR.  She does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean
(play/pause, etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her
Eyes, so she has to look at her fingers as they are doing something
(why she's never been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets
cursor lined up, looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves,
click does nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel number.
So the instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a house,
then Push the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push the
middle of the big circle'  But this never works, as Amazon/youtube
will always re-order the icons, and Since she's not looking at the
screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is changing as she is
pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations for this would be
appreciated)

My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app
you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've
opened the wrong thing.

I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only
worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's
to have their own interface for their content.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Adam Moffett]

Last week my co-worker was saying something or other didn't workhe 
was using Firefox and it worked when he tried it with Chrome.


I'm sure it was a feature of a device, but I can't remember what device 
it was.  Anyway yeah it's a thing, but it's not a common thing.



On 4/21/2020 3:16 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
What are you finding that's only working in Chrome?  I haven't run 
into that yet.


On 4/21/2020 1:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It seems like every week I run into more sites that only work in Chrome.
And Ubiquiti products.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

I'm oldschool and still using noscript in my Firefox, I can't imagine
browsing the web without it.  But sometimes you just need that site that
pulls in the content from 1000 different URL's and javascript libraries.
That's the only time I use Chrome.

On 4/21/2020 12:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I hear you. Can't help your older relative, but when I encounter a web
site that pulls that kind of crap, I copy the URL and bring it up in a
Brave browser. It is not perfect, but does just about the best job of
any browser in cutting out the cruff. and this is without any add-ins
or extensions.


bp


On 4/21/2020 9:37 AM, Nate Burke wrote:


It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later,
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I
don't remember it being this bad before. I've had to use the FedEx
site recently, it's really bad about this.

The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half
the screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the
screen so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is 
playing.


I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how
to use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her
church services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a
VCR.  She does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean
(play/pause, etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her
Eyes, so she has to look at her fingers as they are doing something
(why she's never been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets
cursor lined up, looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves,
click does nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel number.
So the instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a house,
then Push the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push the
middle of the big circle'  But this never works, as Amazon/youtube
will always re-order the icons, and Since she's not looking at the
screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is changing as she is
pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations for this would be
appreciated)

My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app
you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've
opened the wrong thing.

I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only
worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's
to have their own interface for their content.




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Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

[Jaime Solorza]

Nein, ist es nicht!!!


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 11:27 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Das raycess
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 9:48 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> What do you call someone who speaks three languages?   Trilingual
>> What do you call someone who speaks two languages?  Bilingual
>> What do you call someone who speaks one language?  American
>>
>> I speak several and understand many more.  Some of my grandkids are Leary
>> French, German and Mandarin.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:14 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> this is why we speak murcan here in merca
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Claro que si mi buen Gino...saludos y abrazos

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:46 AM Gino A. Villarini 
 wrote:

> Also, Saw the door… as in the tool…
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
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> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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>   [image: yt-logo]
> 
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:32 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta
>
>
>
> Literally it's .. mountain range the door.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 5:57 PM  wrote:
>
> Mountains of doors
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2020 5:28 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta
>
>
>
> Maybe if they spelled it right, the puerta would be cerrada.
>
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[AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Jaime Solorza]

We need an older model AirFiber5x...
Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Sean Heskett]

Hi Jamie,

I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look later
today.

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

[Mathew Howard]

Да, Стив прав!

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:02 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Nein, ist es nicht!!!
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 11:27 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Das raycess
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 9:48 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you call someone who speaks three languages?   Trilingual
>>> What do you call someone who speaks two languages?  Bilingual
>>> What do you call someone who speaks one language?  American
>>>
>>> I speak several and understand many more.  Some of my grandkids are
>>> Leary French, German and Mandarin.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:14 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 this is why we speak murcan here in merca

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Claro que si mi buen Gino...saludos y abrazos
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:46 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> Also, Saw the door… as in the tool…
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino*
>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> m:
>> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>>  [image: fb-logo]
>>   [image: insta-logo]
>>   [image: in-logo]
>>   [image:
>> tw-logo]
>> 
>>   [image: yt-logo]
>> 
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR
>> 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:32 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta
>>
>>
>>
>> Literally it's .. mountain range the door.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 5:57 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Mountains of doors
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2020 5:28 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe if they spelled it right, the puerta would be cerrada.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Mathew Howard]

There were lots of them on ebay, last I checked.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hi Jamie,
>
> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look later
> today.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
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>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Josh Luthman]

I've got a handful of used ones in storage.  Been wanting to sell them,
just haven't had time.  Give me a ring/email offlist if you need one.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:38 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> There were lots of them on ebay, last I checked.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jamie,
>>
>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look later
>> today.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

[Ken Hohhof]

No soup for you!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 3:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

 

Nein, ist es nicht!!! 

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 11:27 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Das raycess

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 9:48 AM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What do you call someone who speaks three languages?   Trilingual

What do you call someone who speaks two languages?  Bilingual

What do you call someone who speaks one language?  American

 

I speak several and understand many more.  Some of my grandkids are Leary 
French, German and Mandarin.

 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:14 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

this is why we speak murcan here in merca

 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Claro que si mi buen Gino...saludos y abrazos

 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:46 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Also, Saw the door… as in the tool… 

 

Gino Villarini 
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m: 


  

  

   

   

   

 

  

   



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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

 

Literally it's .. mountain range the door.

 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 5:57 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Mountains of doors

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 5:28 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

 

Maybe if they spelled it right, the puerta would be cerrada.

 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Ken Hohhof]

I think it's airFiber starting with FW 4.x and stuff like ac Nanostations
starting with 6.x.  It's not that it won't load the page, but lots of stuff
is non functional or flaky.

Many websites are problematic in Edge, even Chromium Edge I think.  Like
you'll put stuff in a shopping cart but can't check out, or you can't log in
with a username and password.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 2:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

What are you finding that's only working in Chrome?  I haven't run into that
yet.

On 4/21/2020 1:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> It seems like every week I run into more sites that only work in Chrome.
> And Ubiquiti products.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:47 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes
>
> I'm oldschool and still using noscript in my Firefox, I can't imagine 
> browsing the web without it.  But sometimes you just need that site 
> that pulls in the content from 1000 different URL's and javascript
libraries.
> That's the only time I use Chrome.
>
> On 4/21/2020 12:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> I hear you. Can't help your older relative, but when I encounter a 
>> web site that pulls that kind of crap, I copy the URL and bring it up 
>> in a Brave browser. It is not perfect, but does just about the best 
>> job of any browser in cutting out the cruff. and this is without any 
>> add-ins or extensions.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 4/21/2020 9:37 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>> 
>>> It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading 
>>> dynamic content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second 
>>> later, everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop 
>>> up.  I don't remember it being this bad before. I've had to use the 
>>> FedEx site recently, it's really bad about this.
>>>
>>> The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half 
>>> the screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the 
>>> screen so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.
>>>
>>> I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how 
>>> to use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her 
>>> church services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a 
>>> VCR.  She does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean 
>>> (play/pause, etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her 
>>> Eyes, so she has to look at her fingers as they are doing something 
>>> (why she's never been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets 
>>> cursor lined up, looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, 
>>> click does nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel number.
>>> So the instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a house, 
>>> then Push the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push the 
>>> middle of the big circle'  But this never works, as Amazon/youtube 
>>> will always re-order the icons, and Since she's not looking at the 
>>> screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is changing as she is 
>>> pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations for this would 
>>> be
>>> appreciated)
>>>
>>> My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after 
>>> it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app 
>>> you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've 
>>> opened the wrong thing.
>>>
>>> I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these 
>>> new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only 
>>> worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's 
>>> to have their own interface for their content.
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Jaime Solorza]

Ok.  Thanks

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hi Jamie,
>
> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look later
> today.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

[Jaime Solorza]

Cryllic , comrade? Spasibo

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:37 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Да, Стив прав!
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:02 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Nein, ist es nicht!!!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 11:27 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Das raycess
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 9:48 AM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What do you call someone who speaks three languages?   Trilingual
 What do you call someone who speaks two languages?  Bilingual
 What do you call someone who speaks one language?  American

 I speak several and understand many more.  Some of my grandkids are
 Leary French, German and Mandarin.

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:14 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> this is why we speak murcan here in merca
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Claro que si mi buen Gino...saludos y abrazos
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:46 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, Saw the door… as in the tool…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino*
>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> m:
>>> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>>>  [image: fb-logo]
>>>   [image: insta-logo]
>>>   [image: in-logo]
>>>   [image:
>>> tw-logo]
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR
>>> 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:32 PM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Literally it's .. mountain range the door.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 5:57 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Mountains of doors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2020 5:28 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe if they spelled it right, the puerta would be cerrada.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

[Mathew Howard]

Da, tovarisch

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:00 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Cryllic , comrade? Spasibo
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:37 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Да, Стив прав!
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:02 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nein, ist es nicht!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 11:27 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Das raycess

 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 9:48 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

> What do you call someone who speaks three languages?   Trilingual
> What do you call someone who speaks two languages?  Bilingual
> What do you call someone who speaks one language?  American
>
> I speak several and understand many more.  Some of my grandkids are
> Leary French, German and Mandarin.
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:14 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> this is why we speak murcan here in merca
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Claro que si mi buen Gino...saludos y abrazos
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:46 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Also, Saw the door… as in the tool…



 *Gino*
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 *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
 *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Date: *Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:32 PM
 *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta



 Literally it's .. mountain range the door.



 On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 5:57 PM  wrote:

 Mountains of doors



 *From:* Ken Hohhof

 *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2020 5:28 PM

 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

 *Subject:* [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta



 Maybe if they spelled it right, the puerta would be cerrada.


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Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

[Jaime Solorza]

I have been learning Russian to converse with guys from Leonoid and
Friends...

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 3:18 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Da, tovarisch
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:00 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Cryllic , comrade? Spasibo
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:37 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> Да, Стив прав!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:02 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nein, ist es nicht!!!


 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 11:27 AM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> Das raycess
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 9:48 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> What do you call someone who speaks three languages?   Trilingual
>> What do you call someone who speaks two languages?  Bilingual
>> What do you call someone who speaks one language?  American
>>
>> I speak several and understand many more.  Some of my grandkids are
>> Leary French, German and Mandarin.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:14 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> this is why we speak murcan here in merca
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Claro que si mi buen Gino...saludos y abrazos

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:46 AM Gino A. Villarini 
 wrote:

> Also, Saw the door… as in the tool…
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
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> 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:32 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta
>
>
>
> Literally it's .. mountain range the door.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 5:57 PM  wrote:
>
> Mountains of doors
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2020 5:28 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta
>
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> Maybe if they spelled it right, the puerta would be cerrada.
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Matt Hoppes]

Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping production 
on that product. 

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Here’s what we’ve got.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza  
>> wrote:
>> Ok.  Thanks
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> Hi Jamie,
>>> 
>>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look later 
>>> today.
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza  
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 We need an older model AirFiber5x...
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Mike Hammett]

If they stopped production, it was because no one bought it. 


No one bought it because it had garbage gain. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:06:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x 



Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping production 
on that product. 

On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 








 
Here’s what we’ve got. 






On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Ok. Thanks 


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 




Hi Jamie, 


I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage. I’ll go look later today. 


-Sean 





On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



We need an older model AirFiber5x... 
Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude -- 
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Mathew Howard]

That's not true! The fact that it had garbage gain was just one of several
reasons why nobody bought it... it was also the size of a small house, only
supported half of the 5ghz band and used a ton of power.

I don't think there are any other true full duplex 5ghz radios out there
though, so it did have that going for it. It was a pretty impressive radio
from a technical standpoint (especially at the time), but it really wasn't
very practical.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> If they stopped production, it was because no one bought it.
>
> No one bought it because it had garbage gain.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:06:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x
>
> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
> production on that product.
>
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>
> 
> Here’s what we’ve got.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok.  Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>
>>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
>>> later today.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We need an older model AirFiber5x...
 Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep...

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
> production on that product.
>
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>
> 
> Here’s what we’ve got.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok.  Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>
>>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
>>> later today.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We need an older model AirFiber5x...
 Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Jaime Solorza]

I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
> production on that product.
>
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>
> 
> Here’s what we’ve got.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok.  Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>
>>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
>>> later today.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We need an older model AirFiber5x...
 Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Matt Hoppes]

Airfiber5 - garbage gain. 

I was taking about AF5x. Maybe I missed the X?

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping 
>> production on that product. 
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here’s what we’ve got.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza  
 wrote:
 Ok.  Thanks
 
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
> 
> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look later 
> today.
> 
> -Sean
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>  wrote:
>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Chuck Macenski]

The antenna structure allows for a low-cost full duplex system. If you
don't need the sub-ms latency and full-duplex capacity, it is not the radio
for you.

That said, AF5/AF5U is a current product; the AF5X was EOLed in favor of
the AF5XHD.

Jamie: Contact me offlist.

Chuck

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Airfiber5 - garbage gain.
>
> I was taking about AF5x. Maybe I missed the X?
>
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
>> production on that product.
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> Here’s what we’ve got.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok.  Thanks
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jamie,

 I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
 later today.

 -Sean


 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Mathew Howard]

I think Mike (and myself) assumed that you were talking about the AF5
because Sean posted a picture of an Airfiber5 (not X).

But yeah, I assume they just quit production of the AF5x because sales
dropped down to nothing when the HD came out.

But that does make me curious... why would you prefer the 5x over the 5xHD?

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Airfiber5 - garbage gain.
>
> I was taking about AF5x. Maybe I missed the X?
>
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
>> production on that product.
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> Here’s what we’ve got.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok.  Thanks
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jamie,

 I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
 later today.

 -Sean


 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Mike Hammett]

Agreed. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 6:31:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x 


I think Mike (and myself) assumed that you were talking about the AF5 because 
Sean posted a picture of an Airfiber5 (not X). 


But yeah, I assume they just quit production of the AF5x because sales dropped 
down to nothing when the HD came out. 


But that does make me curious... why would you prefer the 5x over the 5xHD? 


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> wrote: 





Airfiber5 - garbage gain. 


I was taking about AF5x. Maybe I missed the X? 

On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 





I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios... 


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 





Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping production 
on that product. 

On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 








 
Here’s what we’ve got. 






On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Ok. Thanks 


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 




Hi Jamie, 


I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage. I’ll go look later today. 


-Sean 





On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



We need an older model AirFiber5x... 
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Mathew Howard]

Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing
both ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement.
The HD is better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other
ways, but they're both good radios.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
>> production on that product.
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> Here’s what we’ve got.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok.  Thanks
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jamie,

 I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
 later today.

 -Sean


 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Matt Hoppes]

Because of a radio failure. Two tower climbs is much more expensive and time 
consuming than just swapping a radio. 

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing both 
> ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement. The HD 
> is better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other ways, but 
> they're both good radios.
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza  
>> wrote:
>> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping 
>>> production on that product. 
>>> 
 On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
 
 
 
 Here’s what we’ve got.
 
 
 
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza  
> wrote:
> Ok.  Thanks
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> Hi Jamie,
>> 
>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look 
>> later today.
>> 
>> -Sean
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>>  wrote:
>>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Jaime Solorza]

Not me... customer

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 5:32 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I think Mike (and myself) assumed that you were talking about the AF5
> because Sean posted a picture of an Airfiber5 (not X).
>
> But yeah, I assume they just quit production of the AF5x because sales
> dropped down to nothing when the HD came out.
>
> But that does make me curious... why would you prefer the 5x over the 5xHD?
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Airfiber5 - garbage gain.
>>
>> I was taking about AF5x. Maybe I missed the X?
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
>>> production on that product.
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Here’s what we’ve got.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ok.  Thanks

 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hi Jamie,
>
> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
> later today.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, well, that's why you keep old radios around when you replace them
with other stuff... or you can always just buy some used ones to keep as
spares. These things are by no means hard to find at this point.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 6:36 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Because of a radio failure. Two tower climbs is much more expensive and
> time consuming than just swapping a radio.
>
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing
> both ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement.
> The HD is better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other
> ways, but they're both good radios.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
>>> production on that product.
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Here’s what we’ve got.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ok.  Thanks

 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hi Jamie,
>
> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
> later today.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
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>
>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chicken Thighs and Bacon

[chuck]

Yum
Like to try that sauce.  

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 6:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Chicken Thighs and Bacon

As I mentioned, we are partly to blame for the shortage of chicken thighs.  
Tried something new tonight.   Chicken thighs stuff with Chipotle Bitchin 
Sauce, bacon, and cheese.   Smoked and brushed with BBQ sauce at the end.   
Doesn’t produce the kind of heat of some of Jamie’s meals 😊 but had some nice 
kick nonetheless.  Wasn’t going to add the bacon, but wanted to do my part to 
end the bacon glut, and glad I added it.  

 

Tasty

 

Regards, 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chicken Thighs and Bacon

[Ken Hohhof]

I think some of Jaime’s meals are too spicy, they make his photos blurry.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Chicken Thighs and Bacon

 

As I mentioned, we are partly to blame for the shortage of chicken thighs.  
Tried something new tonight.   Chicken thighs stuff with Chipotle Bitchin 
Sauce, bacon, and cheese.   Smoked and brushed with BBQ sauce at the end.   
Doesn’t produce the kind of heat of some of Jamie’s meals 😊 but had some nice 
kick nonetheless.  Wasn’t going to add the bacon, but wanted to do my part to 
end the bacon glut, and glad I added it.  

 

Tasty

 

Regards, 

 

David Coudron

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chicken Thighs and Bacon

[Steve Jones]

Imma still cut you. One of our groceries had my tyson thighs today. 1.99 a
pound. That's highway robbery. I pay .99 cents. You cost me a buck a pound,
imma be needing that back so as to ensure you dont happen across a loose
stair tread. Just saying, it's always good to have insurance against those
unfortunate accidents.

Seriously though, I was giddy when a saw them, charcoal grill with a ton of
lawry's. I keep those in my fridge and eat on them all week. It's the only
reason we have summer.


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 7:12 PM  wrote:

> Yum
> Like to try that sauce.
>
> *From:* David Coudron
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 6:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Chicken Thighs and Bacon
>
>
> As I mentioned, we are partly to blame for the shortage of chicken
> thighs.  Tried something new tonight.   Chicken thighs stuff with Chipotle
> Bitchin Sauce, bacon, and cheese.   Smoked and brushed with BBQ sauce at
> the end.   Doesn’t produce the kind of heat of some of Jamie’s meals 😊
> but had some nice kick nonetheless.  Wasn’t going to add the bacon, but
> wanted to do my part to end the bacon glut, and glad I added it.
>
>
>
> Tasty
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chicken Thighs and Bacon

[Jaime Solorza]

Lol ..I am a wimp on super hot Chile compared to wife...told you guys how
years ago I had to rush her to hospital due her hands burning in pain from
some super hot Chile from Hatch...it caused all of us to cough as well.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 6:36 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I think some of Jaime’s meals are too spicy, they make his photos blurry.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Coudron
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Chicken Thighs and Bacon
>
>
>
> As I mentioned, we are partly to blame for the shortage of chicken
> thighs.  Tried something new tonight.   Chicken thighs stuff with Chipotle
> Bitchin Sauce, bacon, and cheese.   Smoked and brushed with BBQ sauce at
> the end.   Doesn’t produce the kind of heat of some of Jamie’s meals 😊
> but had some nice kick nonetheless.  Wasn’t going to add the bacon, but
> wanted to do my part to end the bacon glut, and glad I added it.
>
>
>
> Tasty
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Carl Peterson]

I've got a used set in the warehouse if you need them.  Might need to use
the "name your price" tool.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:06 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, well, that's why you keep old radios around when you replace them
> with other stuff... or you can always just buy some used ones to keep as
> spares. These things are by no means hard to find at this point.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 6:36 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Because of a radio failure. Two tower climbs is much more expensive and
>> time consuming than just swapping a radio.
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing
>> both ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement.
>> The HD is better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other
>> ways, but they're both good radios.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
 production on that product.

 On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:


 
 Here’s what we’ve got.



 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok.  Thanks
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jamie,
>>
>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
>> later today.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Ken Hohhof]

I assume you’ve checked that it’s not just a flaky Ethernet jack on the radio.  
I seem to remember the AF5x was known for that, but sometimes I misremember 
things.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

 

I've got a used set in the warehouse if you need them.  Might need to use the 
"name your price" tool.  

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:06 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah, well, that's why you keep old radios around when you replace them with 
other stuff... or you can always just buy some used ones to keep as spares. 
These things are by no means hard to find at this point.

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 6:36 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Because of a radio failure. Two tower climbs is much more expensive and time 
consuming than just swapping a radio. 


On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing both 
ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement. The HD is 
better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other ways, but they're 
both good radios.

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping production 
on that product. 


On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

 



Here’s what we’ve got.

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ok.  Thanks

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Hi Jamie,

 

I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look later today.

 

-Sean

 

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We need an older model AirFiber5x...

Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude

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[AFMUG] Windstream Contact

[Josh Baird]

Anyone have a clueful contact at Windstream who I can talk about EPL
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Bill Prince]

I've seen some web sites that only operate with IE. More that operate 
only with chrome, and some that don't operate with either.


bp


On 4/21/2020 12:16 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
What are you finding that's only working in Chrome?  I haven't run 
into that yet.


On 4/21/2020 1:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It seems like every week I run into more sites that only work in Chrome.
And Ubiquiti products.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

I'm oldschool and still using noscript in my Firefox, I can't imagine
browsing the web without it.  But sometimes you just need that site that
pulls in the content from 1000 different URL's and javascript libraries.
That's the only time I use Chrome.

On 4/21/2020 12:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I hear you. Can't help your older relative, but when I encounter a web
site that pulls that kind of crap, I copy the URL and bring it up in a
Brave browser. It is not perfect, but does just about the best job of
any browser in cutting out the cruff. and this is without any add-ins
or extensions.


bp


On 4/21/2020 9:37 AM, Nate Burke wrote:


It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading dynamic
content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second later,
everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop up.  I
don't remember it being this bad before. I've had to use the FedEx
site recently, it's really bad about this.

The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half
the screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the
screen so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is 
playing.


I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how
to use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her
church services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a
VCR.  She does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean
(play/pause, etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her
Eyes, so she has to look at her fingers as they are doing something
(why she's never been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets
cursor lined up, looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves,
click does nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel number.
So the instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a house,
then Push the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push the
middle of the big circle'  But this never works, as Amazon/youtube
will always re-order the icons, and Since she's not looking at the
screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is changing as she is
pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations for this would be
appreciated)

My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app
you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've
opened the wrong thing.

I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only
worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's
to have their own interface for their content.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Bill Prince]

Many times it's a cache SNAFU. Clear cache & go back, it's like nothing 
ever happened.


Bygones.


bp


On 4/21/2020 1:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I think it's airFiber starting with FW 4.x and stuff like ac Nanostations
starting with 6.x.  It's not that it won't load the page, but lots of stuff
is non functional or flaky.

Many websites are problematic in Edge, even Chromium Edge I think.  Like
you'll put stuff in a shopping cart but can't check out, or you can't log in
with a username and password.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 2:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

What are you finding that's only working in Chrome?  I haven't run into that
yet.

On 4/21/2020 1:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It seems like every week I run into more sites that only work in Chrome.
And Ubiquiti products.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

I'm oldschool and still using noscript in my Firefox, I can't imagine
browsing the web without it.  But sometimes you just need that site
that pulls in the content from 1000 different URL's and javascript

libraries.

That's the only time I use Chrome.

On 4/21/2020 12:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I hear you. Can't help your older relative, but when I encounter a
web site that pulls that kind of crap, I copy the URL and bring it up
in a Brave browser. It is not perfect, but does just about the best
job of any browser in cutting out the cruff. and this is without any
add-ins or extensions.


bp


On 4/21/2020 9:37 AM, Nate Burke wrote:


It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading
dynamic content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second
later, everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to pop
up.  I don't remember it being this bad before. I've had to use the
FedEx site recently, it's really bad about this.

The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half
the screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the
screen so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is playing.

I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how
to use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her
church services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a
VCR.  She does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean
(play/pause, etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her
Eyes, so she has to look at her fingers as they are doing something
(why she's never been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets
cursor lined up, looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves,
click does nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel number.
So the instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a house,
then Push the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push the
middle of the big circle'  But this never works, as Amazon/youtube
will always re-order the icons, and Since she's not looking at the
screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is changing as she is
pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations for this would
be
appreciated)

My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons after
it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select the app
you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and you've
opened the wrong thing.

I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these
new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only
worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's
to have their own interface for their content.



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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Jaime Solorza]

I agree with you...I have about 10 spare radios in boxes for some of my key
clients.  This request is for a local WISP who hired my services once in a
while.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 6:06 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, well, that's why you keep old radios around when you replace them
> with other stuff... or you can always just buy some used ones to keep as
> spares. These things are by no means hard to find at this point.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 6:36 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Because of a radio failure. Two tower climbs is much more expensive and
>> time consuming than just swapping a radio.
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing
>> both ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement.
>> The HD is better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other
>> ways, but they're both good radios.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
 production on that product.

 On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:


 
 Here’s what we’ve got.



 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok.  Thanks
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jamie,
>>
>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
>> later today.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

[Ken Hohhof]

Nope, with the Ubiquiti stuff I absolutely cannot use Edge to set them up.
It happened at a major firmware rev change.  Maybe Firefox works, maybe
Safari does, I don't know.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:35 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes

Many times it's a cache SNAFU. Clear cache & go back, it's like nothing ever
happened.

Bygones.


bp


On 4/21/2020 1:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I think it's airFiber starting with FW 4.x and stuff like ac 
> Nanostations starting with 6.x.  It's not that it won't load the page, 
> but lots of stuff is non functional or flaky.
>
> Many websites are problematic in Edge, even Chromium Edge I think.  
> Like you'll put stuff in a shopping cart but can't check out, or you 
> can't log in with a username and password.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 2:16 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes
>
> What are you finding that's only working in Chrome?  I haven't run 
> into that yet.
>
> On 4/21/2020 1:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> It seems like every week I run into more sites that only work in Chrome.
>> And Ubiquiti products.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:47 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Dynamic Content Gripes
>>
>> I'm oldschool and still using noscript in my Firefox, I can't imagine 
>> browsing the web without it.  But sometimes you just need that site 
>> that pulls in the content from 1000 different URL's and javascript
> libraries.
>> That's the only time I use Chrome.
>>
>> On 4/21/2020 12:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> I hear you. Can't help your older relative, but when I encounter a 
>>> web site that pulls that kind of crap, I copy the URL and bring it 
>>> up in a Brave browser. It is not perfect, but does just about the 
>>> best job of any browser in cutting out the cruff. and this is 
>>> without any add-ins or extensions.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 4/21/2020 9:37 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
 
 It seems like I've noticed an uptick recently of slow loading 
 dynamic content.  Like the web page will load, then like a second 
 later, everything rearranges on the page as more items decide to 
 pop up.  I don't remember it being this bad before. I've had to use 
 the FedEx site recently, it's really bad about this.

 The Youtube app on my phone now had Ad's that are bigger than half 
 the screen, so it will push a playing video 1/2 off the top of the 
 screen so it can show the entire ad below it while the video is
playing.

 I've been trying to explain over the phone to an older relative how 
 to use an Amazon FireTV box I've given her so she can watch her 
 church services.  She has never used a computer, and barely used a 
 VCR.  She does not inherently know what Icons on the remote mean 
 (play/pause, etc).  Her fingers to not operate independent of her 
 Eyes, so she has to look at her fingers as they are doing something 
 (why she's never been able to figure out how to use a mouse, gets 
 cursor lined up, looks at hand to push mouse button, cursor moves, 
 click does nothing).  She watches TV by typing in the channel number.
 So the instructions need to be like 'Push the button with a house, 
 then Push the bottom of the big circle down 2 times, then push the 
 middle of the big circle'  But this never works, as Amazon/youtube 
 will always re-order the icons, and Since she's not looking at the 
 screen, she doesn't see the 'selected' icon is changing as she is 
 pushing buttons.  (any tips on helpful explanations for this would 
 be
 appreciated)

 My FireTV at home has also been pulling re-arranging the Icons 
 after it's started up.  Just the amount of time for you to select 
 the app you want, and as you're clicking, they all re-arrange and 
 you've opened the wrong thing.

 I think bottom line is I'm starting to get to old for all these 
 new-fangled Technogizmos.  I can't imagine it getting better, only 
 worse from here on, as every content developer under the sun want's 
 to have their own interface for their content.
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Kurt Fankhauser]

How is a AF5X better than the AF5XHD? I'm curious as to what ways you
mention. So far the only way i have found is the SNMP OID's are totally
screwed up and not functioning in the HD version.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:34 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing
> both ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement.
> The HD is better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other
> ways, but they're both good radios.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
>>> production on that product.
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Here’s what we’ve got.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ok.  Thanks

 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hi Jamie,
>
> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
> later today.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Matt Hoppes]

HD is more spectrally efficient. 

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:05 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
> 
> How is a AF5X better than the AF5XHD? I'm curious as to what ways you 
> mention. So far the only way i have found is the SNMP OID's are totally 
> screwed up and not functioning in the HD version.
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:34 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>> Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing 
>> both ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement. 
>> The HD is better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other 
>> ways, but they're both good radios.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza  
>>> wrote:
>>> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>>> 
 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
 Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping 
 production on that product. 
 
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Here’s what we’ve got.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>  wrote:
>> Ok.  Thanks
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> Hi Jamie,
>>> 
>>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look 
>>> later today.
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>> 
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  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Mr Hoppes, I know the XD is more spectruly efficient, power efficient, etc.
But Mr Howard said the the older 5X was better in some ways the the XD and
I am curious as to what aspects he is talking about.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:13 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> HD is more spectrally efficient.
>
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:05 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> How is a AF5X better than the AF5XHD? I'm curious as to what ways you
> mention. So far the only way i have found is the SNMP OID's are totally
> screwed up and not functioning in the HD version.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:34 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing
>> both ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement.
>> The HD is better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other
>> ways, but they're both good radios.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
 production on that product.

 On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:


 
 Here’s what we’ve got.



 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok.  Thanks
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jamie,
>>
>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
>> later today.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Mathew Howard]

If I remember correctly, latency is a bit lower on the 5X (although that
may have changed with newer firmware... I haven't checked it recently), and
it's always seemed to me that the 5x handles interference a bit better than
the 5xHD, but I could be wrong about that, since I've never actually done a
direct comparison. the HD also tends to try to run at higher modulation
than it should in some cases, and has to be manually limited to lower
modulation to work properly... I'd say the 5x just seems a bit more
consistent overall.

But yeah, the ability to run wider channels, higher modulation at lower
signal levels, lower power consumption, ethernet ports that work properly,
etc. makes the HD a much better radio overall.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:04 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Mr Hoppes, I know the XD is more spectruly efficient, power efficient,
> etc. But Mr Howard said the the older 5X was better in some ways the the XD
> and I am curious as to what aspects he is talking about.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:13 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> HD is more spectrally efficient.
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:05 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> How is a AF5X better than the AF5XHD? I'm curious as to what ways you
>> mention. So far the only way i have found is the SNMP OID's are totally
>> screwed up and not functioning in the HD version.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:34 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing
>>> both ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement.
>>> The HD is better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other
>>> ways, but they're both good radios.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...

 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
> production on that product.
>
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>
> 
> Here’s what we’ve got.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok.  Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>
>>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
>>> later today.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
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