Re: [AFMUG] Dc system questions

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Generally you want the voltage of the array to be whatever is typically
drawing the most wattage.  Anymore it's 48VDC since all the high power
stuff is 48VDC.   That way you avoid converting to that voltage.

You need enough charger to run your stuff, plus enough to charge the
batteries in however long you want to recover.  So if you've got a 48V 10A
charger and are drawing 9A with your radios, and a 100AH array (4 100AH
batteries in series), you'd find that it would take 100 hours to recover.
 This is probably too long, plus there's some self-discharge to worry about.

Note that the manufacturer's recommended charge rate is typically at most
0.3C, meaning that for a 100AH array, you want at most 30A of charge.  You
can get away with more, but I wouldn't push it if you want long life out of
your batteries.This would charge most of the way in 3-4 hours.   If you
went down to 0.1C you'd probably still be ok, since that is 10 hours, but a
rule of thumb is you really shouldn't go below 0.1C.

Note that if those 4 batteries are in a 24VDC array, it's a 200AH array,
and all of the currents double...  since now you've got 2 batteries in
series @24V, which is 100AH@24V, and another which is 100AH@24V.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:27 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> First question, if i have say 4 12v batteries and want to double runtime
> by adding 4 more, will that require a bigger charger? Or can i just keep
> adding batteries and it just takes longer to reach a full charge?
>
> If for whatever reason, one of the batteries has less of a charge, once
> the rest reach full charge will it continue until its at the same level of
> charge?
>
> I seem to recall that i keep getting told 24 vold battery arrays are more
> efficient than 48v. If thats the case, do i just put a 24v to 48v power
> supply on it to run all my gear?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Dc system questions

[Mark Radabaugh]

Forrest covered most of it.   On the question about one battery being lower 
than the others that is handled with an equalization charge (if your charger 
can do it).   You can end up with different voltages across the battery string 
where one battery remains slightly below voltage compared to the others.  A 
equalization charge temporarily (a couple hours) raises te charging voltage 
over the float voltage.   When a battery is full and the charging voltage stays 
high it turns the extra energy into heat (or in an extreme case boils off the 
electrolyte).   In the equalization charge the batteries that are full end up 
heating up a bit while the one that is lagging behind reaches a full charge.   
It’s not something you need to do very often on a pack that largely sits on 
standby.   Once every couple of months is probably fine.   Maybe even once a 
year.

Mark

> On Mar 3, 2020, at 5:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Generally you want the voltage of the array to be whatever is typically 
> drawing the most wattage.  Anymore it's 48VDC since all the high power stuff 
> is 48VDC.   That way you avoid converting to that voltage.
> 
> You need enough charger to run your stuff, plus enough to charge the 
> batteries in however long you want to recover.  So if you've got a 48V 10A 
> charger and are drawing 9A with your radios, and a 100AH array (4 100AH 
> batteries in series), you'd find that it would take 100 hours to recover.   
> This is probably too long, plus there's some self-discharge to worry about.
> 
> Note that the manufacturer's recommended charge rate is typically at most 
> 0.3C, meaning that for a 100AH array, you want at most 30A of charge.  You 
> can get away with more, but I wouldn't push it if you want long life out of 
> your batteries.This would charge most of the way in 3-4 hours.   If you 
> went down to 0.1C you'd probably still be ok, since that is 10 hours, but a 
> rule of thumb is you really shouldn't go below 0.1C.
> 
> Note that if those 4 batteries are in a 24VDC array, it's a 200AH array, and 
> all of the currents double...  since now you've got 2 batteries in series 
> @24V, which is 100AH@24V, and another which is 100AH@24V.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:27 PM Steve Jones  > wrote:
> First question, if i have say 4 12v batteries and want to double runtime by 
> adding 4 more, will that require a bigger charger? Or can i just keep adding 
> batteries and it just takes longer to reach a full charge?
> 
> If for whatever reason, one of the batteries has less of a charge, once the 
> rest reach full charge will it continue until its at the same level of charge?
> 
> I seem to recall that i keep getting told 24 vold battery arrays are more 
> efficient than 48v. If thats the case, do i just put a 24v to 48v power 
> supply on it to run all my gear?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Dc system questions

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

One note I forgot to add along those lines, is it is generally a good idea
to keep all of the batteries in the array the same age and type.   I don't
think this is nearly as critical if you are float charging, but if you are
doing any sort of rapid charging then this is an issue.   It's also much
more of an issue if you mix them in the same string, i.e. if you convert a
24V site to a 48V site, you shouldn't add fresh batteries to each of your
24v strings.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:03 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Forrest covered most of it.   On the question about one battery being
> lower than the others that is handled with an equalization charge (if your
> charger can do it).   You can end up with different voltages across the
> battery string where one battery remains slightly below voltage compared to
> the others.  A equalization charge temporarily (a couple hours) raises te
> charging voltage over the float voltage.   When a battery is full and the
> charging voltage stays high it turns the extra energy into heat (or in an
> extreme case boils off the electrolyte).   In the equalization charge the
> batteries that are full end up heating up a bit while the one that is
> lagging behind reaches a full charge.   It’s not something you need to do
> very often on a pack that largely sits on standby.   Once every couple of
> months is probably fine.   Maybe even once a year.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mar 3, 2020, at 5:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Generally you want the voltage of the array to be whatever is typically
> drawing the most wattage.  Anymore it's 48VDC since all the high power
> stuff is 48VDC.   That way you avoid converting to that voltage.
>
> You need enough charger to run your stuff, plus enough to charge the
> batteries in however long you want to recover.  So if you've got a 48V 10A
> charger and are drawing 9A with your radios, and a 100AH array (4 100AH
> batteries in series), you'd find that it would take 100 hours to recover.
>  This is probably too long, plus there's some self-discharge to worry about.
>
> Note that the manufacturer's recommended charge rate is typically at most
> 0.3C, meaning that for a 100AH array, you want at most 30A of charge.  You
> can get away with more, but I wouldn't push it if you want long life out of
> your batteries.This would charge most of the way in 3-4 hours.   If you
> went down to 0.1C you'd probably still be ok, since that is 10 hours, but a
> rule of thumb is you really shouldn't go below 0.1C.
>
> Note that if those 4 batteries are in a 24VDC array, it's a 200AH array,
> and all of the currents double...  since now you've got 2 batteries in
> series @24V, which is 100AH@24V, and another which is 100AH@24V.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> First question, if i have say 4 12v batteries and want to double runtime
>> by adding 4 more, will that require a bigger charger? Or can i just keep
>> adding batteries and it just takes longer to reach a full charge?
>>
>> If for whatever reason, one of the batteries has less of a charge, once
>> the rest reach full charge will it continue until its at the same level of
>> charge?
>>
>> I seem to recall that i keep getting told 24 vold battery arrays are more
>> efficient than 48v. If thats the case, do i just put a 24v to 48v power
>> supply on it to run all my gear?
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Dc system questions

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe it’s obvious, but another factor to consider when deciding whether to use 
24V or 48V strings is wire sizing and power loss in the wires.

 

At 24V all your wires will have to be sized for twice the current.  I’ve 
actually run into problems with 10 or 12 AWG wires being too big for the 
compression terminals on some DIN rail modules, even using ferrules (which I 
highly recommend).  Or if you have long DC power runs (like up a tower), the 
power loss in the cables can be significant.  Even if the equipment can run on 
the lower voltage, you are wasting power (and battery capacity) heating up the 
wires.

 

Power lost in wiring is I2R so twice the current is 4 times the power wasted 
for the same size wiring.  Rule of thumb is 3 AWG sizes to double the 
resistance, 6 AWG sizes for 2X the diameter and 4X the resistance.  So the 
difference between a 24V and 48V system could possibly mean the difference 
between 10 AWG and 16 AWG wiring.  That sounds like a lot, and I’m doing the 
math in my head, and I’m not Andrew Yang or Bill Nye, so if I messed up please 
someone correct me.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 5:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc system questions

 

One note I forgot to add along those lines, is it is generally a good idea to 
keep all of the batteries in the array the same age and type.   I don't think 
this is nearly as critical if you are float charging, but if you are doing any 
sort of rapid charging then this is an issue.   It's also much more of an issue 
if you mix them in the same string, i.e. if you convert a 24V site to a 48V 
site, you shouldn't add fresh batteries to each of your 24v strings.

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:03 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Forrest covered most of it.   On the question about one battery being lower 
than the others that is handled with an equalization charge (if your charger 
can do it).   You can end up with different voltages across the battery string 
where one battery remains slightly below voltage compared to the others.  A 
equalization charge temporarily (a couple hours) raises te charging voltage 
over the float voltage.   When a battery is full and the charging voltage stays 
high it turns the extra energy into heat (or in an extreme case boils off the 
electrolyte).   In the equalization charge the batteries that are full end up 
heating up a bit while the one that is lagging behind reaches a full charge.   
It’s not something you need to do very often on a pack that largely sits on 
standby.   Once every couple of months is probably fine.   Maybe even once a 
year.

 

Mark





On Mar 3, 2020, at 5:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

 

Generally you want the voltage of the array to be whatever is typically drawing 
the most wattage.  Anymore it's 48VDC since all the high power stuff is 48VDC.  
 That way you avoid converting to that voltage.

 

You need enough charger to run your stuff, plus enough to charge the batteries 
in however long you want to recover.  So if you've got a 48V 10A charger and 
are drawing 9A with your radios, and a 100AH array (4 100AH batteries in 
series), you'd find that it would take 100 hours to recover.   This is probably 
too long, plus there's some self-discharge to worry about.

 

Note that the manufacturer's recommended charge rate is typically at most 0.3C, 
meaning that for a 100AH array, you want at most 30A of charge.  You can get 
away with more, but I wouldn't push it if you want long life out of your 
batteries.This would charge most of the way in 3-4 hours.   If you went 
down to 0.1C you'd probably still be ok, since that is 10 hours, but a rule of 
thumb is you really shouldn't go below 0.1C.

 

Note that if those 4 batteries are in a 24VDC array, it's a 200AH array, and 
all of the currents double...  since now you've got 2 batteries in series @24V, 
which is 100AH@24V, and another which is 100AH@24V.

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:27 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

First question, if i have say 4 12v batteries and want to double runtime by 
adding 4 more, will that require a bigger charger? Or can i just keep adding 
batteries and it just takes longer to reach a full charge?

 

If for whatever reason, one of the batteries has less of a charge, once the 
rest reach full charge will it continue until its at the same level of charge?

 

I seem to recall that i keep getting told 24 vold battery arrays are more 
efficient than 48v. If thats the case, do i just put a 24v to 48v power supply 
on it to run all my gear?

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Cameron Crum]

I'm missing the abogado reference. Are they already training him to be a
lawyer?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Congratulations
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:04 PM  wrote:
>
>> God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with
>> you.
>>
>> But today I  get another grandson.
>>
>> While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I
>> think.  I think ...
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're
>> From El Paso
>>
>>
>> https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Dc system questions

[chuck]

Does the batt with less charge just read low voltage?  If so how low?  It may 
have a bad cell.  If so you don’t want that in your string.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc system questions

First question, if i have say 4 12v batteries and want to double runtime by 
adding 4 more, will that require a bigger charger? Or can i just keep adding 
batteries and it just takes longer to reach a full charge? 

If for whatever reason, one of the batteries has less of a charge, once the 
rest reach full charge will it continue until its at the same level of charge?

I seem to recall that i keep getting told 24 vold battery arrays are more 
efficient than 48v. If thats the case, do i just put a 24v to 48v power supply 
on it to run all my gear?







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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[chuck]

His dad is a lawyer.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso

I'm missing the abogado reference. Are they already training him to be a lawyer?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:22 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Congratulations

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:04 PM  wrote:

God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with you.  

But today I  get another grandson.

While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I 
think.  I think ...


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso


https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Cameron Crum]

How did you allow that? Don't you know "people"?

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:47 AM  wrote:

> His dad is a lawyer.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're
> From El Paso
>
> I'm missing the abogado reference. Are they already training him to be a
> lawyer?
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:04 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with
>>> you.
>>>
>>> But today I  get another grandson.
>>>
>>> While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I
>>> think.  I think ...
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're
>>> From El Paso
>>>
>>>
>>> https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Bill Prince]

  
  
He doesn't know people. He has people.


bp



On 3/3/2020 7:50 AM, Cameron Crum
  wrote:


  
  How did you allow that? Don't you know "people"?
  
  
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:47 AM
  
  wrote:


  

  
His dad is a lawyer.  

  
 

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:35 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave
  Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons
You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

  
   


  I'm missing the abogado reference. Are
they already training him to be a lawyer?
   
  
On Mon, Mar 2,
  2020 at 10:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
  wrote:


  Congratulations
   
  
On Mon, Mar 2,
  2020, 6:04 PM 
  wrote:


  

  
God bless you Jaime. I wish I was
  there to drink a skunky Corna with
  you.  
 
But today I  get another grandson.
 
While not enthused about the
  abogado grandson, it is in the win
  column I think.  I think ...
 

  
 

  From: Jaime
  Solorza 
  Sent: Monday, March 2,
2020 5:25 PM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG]
OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get
Coronavirus If You're From El
Paso

  
   


  https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/ 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] 16.1 firmware / remote device type?

[Sean Heskett]

I think that’s for when you are feeding sync from an SM to an AP for a
small pop.  But I haven’t read the manual yet.

-Sean

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:40 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
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> ??? Everything I upgraded from defaulted to "other" but is still working
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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Ken Hohhof]

I thought the song went mamas don’t let your babies grow up to be cowboys.

At least abogado pays better than vaquero.

Both reportedly appeal to the senoritas.

Maybe not the same senoritas though.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 9:54 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso

 

He doesn't know people. He has people.

 

bp

 

On 3/3/2020 7:50 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

How did you allow that? Don't you know "people"?

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:47 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

His dad is a lawyer.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:35 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso

 

I'm missing the abogado reference. Are they already training him to be a lawyer?

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:22 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Congratulations

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:04 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with you.  

 

But today I  get another grandson.

 

While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I think. 
 I think ...

 

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

 

https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 16.1 firmware / remote device type?

[Ken Hohhof]

That sounds right.  Is there popup text if you hover over the option in the GUI?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 16.1 firmware / remote device type?

 

I think that’s for when you are feeding sync from an SM to an AP for a small 
pop.  But I haven’t read the manual yet.

 

-Sean 

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:40 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What is the "remote device type" setting for on 16.1 firmware for PMP450 ??? 
Everything I upgraded from defaulted to "other" but is still working fine 
connected to the normal AP's

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Aaron Schneider via AF]

Hi Kurt –

Please reach out to me off list.  aaron at cambiumnetworks.com.   We can help 
you come with a way to script this.  There is no tool for doing this on a mass 
scale at this point, but if you have the URLs, it should be pretty 
straightforward to convert this to a python script to iterate through.

Thanks,
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

here is the response i got:

Hi Kurt,

Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will assist you 
with this case.

I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using the 
cnMaestro.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.

We encourage you to post this in the ideas section of the cnMaestro. Our 
engineering team is a part of the community and may consider to include it in 
the future releases of cnMaestro.
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/idb-p/Ideas

Please let us know if there is anything else that we can assist you with.

Regards,

Sri Mani
Technical Engineer
Cambium Networks Global Support

I work Monday-Friday

US Central- 08:30 AM to 04:30 PM

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:13 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
i just submitted a ticket through support with cambium, we will see what they 
come back with

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:04 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
You still have to activate the entitlements by serial number, don’t you?

If you enter the IP address when activating the entitlement, Cambium gives you 
a link and just clicking on the link (from an on-network PC) will install the 
key.  So I’m thinking the activation is more work than the installation.  
Unless you’ve found a way to mass activate entitlements.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

don't want it to be flexible, i, just talking a standard permanent key upgrade 
for the 450 SM's, i don't want to have to manually upgrade over 200 of them if 
i dont have too

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the Lite 
APs?



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's that are 
connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to take from 
20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them all.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[chuck]

My daughter found this guy all by herself.  It is sad that he has isolated her 
from family and friends.  We are just waiting it out.  She has a masters degree 
in forensic toxicology so I think she has some smarts

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso

How did you allow that? Don't you know "people"?

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:47 AM  wrote:

  His dad is a lawyer.  

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:35 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From 
El Paso

  I'm missing the abogado reference. Are they already training him to be a 
lawyer?

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:22 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Congratulations

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:04 PM  wrote:

  God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with you. 
 

  But today I  get another grandson.

  While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I 
think.  I think ...


  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From 
El Paso

  
https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Steve Jones]

Im hearing a lawyer in wyoming needs to have an accident... got it

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 11:15 AM  wrote:

> My daughter found this guy all by herself.  It is sad that he has isolated
> her from family and friends.  We are just waiting it out.  She has a
> masters degree in forensic toxicology so I think she has some smarts
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're
> From El Paso
>
> How did you allow that? Don't you know "people"?
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:47 AM  wrote:
>
>> His dad is a lawyer.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:35 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If
>> You're From El Paso
>>
>> I'm missing the abogado reference. Are they already training him to be a
>> lawyer?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:04 PM  wrote:
>>>
 God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with
 you.

 But today I  get another grandson.

 While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column
 I think.  I think ...


 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're
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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Ken Hohhof]

But accident should not be detectable by forensic toxicology.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso

 

Im hearing a lawyer in wyoming needs to have an accident... got it

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 11:15 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

My daughter found this guy all by herself.  It is sad that he has isolated her 
from family and friends.  We are just waiting it out.  She has a masters degree 
in forensic toxicology so I think she has some smarts

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:50 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso

 

How did you allow that? Don't you know "people"?

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:47 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

His dad is a lawyer.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:35 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso

 

I'm missing the abogado reference. Are they already training him to be a lawyer?

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:22 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Congratulations

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:04 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with you.  

 

But today I  get another grandson.

 

While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I think. 
 I think ...

 

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

 

https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Robert]

Forensic Toxicology..   Do NOT screw with that woman, she will make you 
dead and nobody will figure out how...


On 3/3/20 9:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
My daughter found this guy all by herself.  It is sad that he has 
isolated her from family and friends.  We are just waiting it out.  
She has a masters degree in forensic toxicology so I think she has 
some smarts

*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:50 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If 
You're From El Paso

How did you allow that? Don't you know "people"?
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:47 AM  wrote:

His dad is a lawyer.
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:35 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If
You're From El Paso
I'm missing the abogado reference. Are they already training him
to be a lawyer?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:22 PM Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Congratulations
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:04 PM  wrote:

God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky
Corna with you.
But today I  get another grandson.
While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in
the win column I think.  I think ...
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get
Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Josh Luthman]

Share that python script!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:12 PM Aaron Schneider via AF 
wrote:

> Hi Kurt –
>
>
>
> Please reach out to me off list.  aaron at cambiumnetworks.com.   We can
> help you come with a way to script this.  There is no tool for doing this
> on a mass scale at this point, but if you have the URLs, it should be
> pretty straightforward to convert this to a python script to iterate
> through.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 1:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade
>
>
>
> here is the response i got:
>
> Hi Kurt,
>
> Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
> assist you with this case.
>
> I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using
> the cnMaestro.
>
> Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
> cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>
> We encourage you to post this in the ideas section of the cnMaestro. Our
> engineering team is a part of the community and may consider to include it
> in the future releases of cnMaestro.
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/idb-p/Ideas
> 
>
> Please let us know if there is anything else that we can assist you with.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sri Mani
> Technical Engineer
> Cambium Networks Global Support
>
> I work Monday-Friday
>
> US Central- 08:30 AM to 04:30 PM
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:13 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> i just submitted a ticket through support with cambium, we will see what
> they come back with
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:04 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> You still have to activate the entitlements by serial number, don’t you?
>
>
>
> If you enter the IP address when activating the entitlement, Cambium gives
> you a link and just clicking on the link (from an on-network PC) will
> install the key.  So I’m thinking the activation is more work than the
> installation.  Unless you’ve found a way to mass activate entitlements.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade
>
>
>
> don't want it to be flexible, i, just talking a standard permanent key
> upgrade for the 450 SM's, i don't want to have to manually upgrade over 200
> of them if i dont have too
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the
> Lite APs?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's that
> are connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to
> take from 20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them
> all.
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[AFMUG] 2.4GHz panel / small sector

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone have any recommendations for a dual-pol small sector or panel
antenna that I could use with a Ubiquiti Rocket for a micropop site?  This
will be replacing a Nanostation M2, so it would need to have at least 50-60
degree beamwidth.  I'm having trouble finding anything with a small size
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Re: [AFMUG] 2.4GHz panel / small sector

[Colin Stanners]

https://www.winncom.com/en/products/f-141-245-339/2.3-2.7-ghz

~60 degree beamwidth would mean ~7-15dBi gain depending on the beamwidth in
the other direction - check out those Mars antennas
https://www.winncom.com/en/products/MA-WC2458-2H2B  that may match your
desired specs.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 1:34 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any recommendations for a dual-pol small sector or panel
> antenna that I could use with a Ubiquiti Rocket for a micropop site?  This
> will be replacing a Nanostation M2, so it would need to have at least 50-60
> degree beamwidth.  I'm having trouble finding anything with a small size
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[AFMUG] OT prepping

[chuck]

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

I have two wells.  Both solar powered.  
Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.

I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as
I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
to go into to town for a week or so).



On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:

> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>
> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>
> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Our Costco was also sold out of water, toilet paper and the big bags of rice my 
wife likes.  We asked about the water and they said they’ve been sold out 
within an hour or two from opening.

The Walmarts also had a bunch of bare shelves.. canned fruits, ramen, rice, 
beans.. water pallets were empty.




> On Mar 3, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.   
> 
> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as I 
> personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here for a 
> few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff 
> which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely 
> working from home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry 
> regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not have, 
> especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want to go into 
> to town for a week or so).
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
> wrote:
> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>  
> I have two wells.  Both solar powered. 
> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>  
> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Robert]

If the workers are all sick, who watches the dials..?


On 3/3/20 3:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Robert]

Power = Water..   Power goes offline so do the wells

On 3/3/20 4:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.

I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf 
goods, as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine 
myself here for a few weeks/months.     But it's going to be to go 
ahead and restock some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry 
(living 20 miles out of town and largely working from home pretty much 
means that you keep a well stocked pantry regardless of any personal 
prepper tendencies you may or may not have, especially since a bad 
winter storm can mean that you don't want to go into to town for a 
week or so).




On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM > wrote:


I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Mathew Howard]

Because bottled water is what you buy when you're preparing for impending
doom... apparently.

I can see stocking up on a few weeks worth of supplies, so you can go out
as little as possible, but the risk of losing power/water doesn't exactly
seem high.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:04 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.
>
> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as
> I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
> to go into to town for a week or so).
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>
>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>>
>> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>>
>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Matt Hoppes]

Water may keep running, but many of the chlorination supplies come from China 
and very well may hit a shortage in a few weeks. 

> On Mar 3, 2020, at 7:19 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
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> 
> Because bottled water is what you buy when you're preparing for impending
> doom... apparently.
> 
> I can see stocking up on a few weeks worth of supplies, so you can go out
> as little as possible, but the risk of losing power/water doesn't exactly
> seem high.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:04 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.
>> 
>> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as
>> I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
>> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
>> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
>> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
>> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
>> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
>> to go into to town for a week or so).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>>> 
>>> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>>> 
>>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Ah yes. Go to Costco and mingle in close contact with the crowds
  and take coronafu home with your supplies.


bp



On 3/3/2020 3:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet
paper hoy.
   
  I have two wells.  Both solar powered.  
  Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
   
  Do people think the municipal water works are going to
cease working?

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Steve Jones]

Ive never tried to store water. Its too heavy to move, its too bulky for
space. Im thinking about dehydrating some to address that.  Really though,
the water always makes me laugh, youre not going get enough on hand for any
long term. I know how to dig a well, i know who has a well, i have
sufficent ammunition should they not be interested in a barter, i know how
to collect water, i know how to distill water, i know how to build multi
stage filtration and i know my neighbors are walking bags of water. I would
like to learn how to make a reverse osmosis filter.
Municiple water supplies are an achilles heel. Anybody who can pump water
at above 25 pounds can contaminate everything down the line from whichever
spigot they hook up to.
We have a flavoring plant at our water company, thats where id toss the
bodies, low pressure tanks.
My last resort bug out is rice. I keep 20lbs per person in my house sealed
in buckets. That and a shit ton of salt.
Its almost pointless in city limits to maintain an armageddon level stash.
After 2 weeks the unprepared will be out of resources and youll spend more
time shooting them than sleeping.
People who think toilet paper and water are survival goods will make a fine
dinner at some point for someone.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 6:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Because bottled water is what you buy when you're preparing for impending
> doom... apparently.
>
> I can see stocking up on a few weeks worth of supplies, so you can go out
> as little as possible, but the risk of losing power/water doesn't exactly
> seem high.
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:04 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.
>>
>>
>> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods,
>> as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
>> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
>> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
>> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
>> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
>> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
>> to go into to town for a week or so).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>>>
>>> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>>>
>>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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[Mathew Howard]

I'm not sure you'd want to be using those walking bags of water in the case
of a disaster caused by a virus...

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Ive never tried to store water. Its too heavy to move, its too bulky for
> space. Im thinking about dehydrating some to address that.  Really though,
> the water always makes me laugh, youre not going get enough on hand for any
> long term. I know how to dig a well, i know who has a well, i have
> sufficent ammunition should they not be interested in a barter, i know how
> to collect water, i know how to distill water, i know how to build multi
> stage filtration and i know my neighbors are walking bags of water. I would
> like to learn how to make a reverse osmosis filter.
> Municiple water supplies are an achilles heel. Anybody who can pump water
> at above 25 pounds can contaminate everything down the line from whichever
> spigot they hook up to.
> We have a flavoring plant at our water company, thats where id toss the
> bodies, low pressure tanks.
> My last resort bug out is rice. I keep 20lbs per person in my house sealed
> in buckets. That and a shit ton of salt.
> Its almost pointless in city limits to maintain an armageddon level stash.
> After 2 weeks the unprepared will be out of resources and youll spend more
> time shooting them than sleeping.
> People who think toilet paper and water are survival goods will make a
> fine dinner at some point for someone.
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 6:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Because bottled water is what you buy when you're preparing for impending
>> doom... apparently.
>>
>> I can see stocking up on a few weeks worth of supplies, so you can go out
>> as little as possible, but the risk of losing power/water doesn't exactly
>> seem high.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:04 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods,
>>> as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
>>> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
>>> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
>>> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
>>> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
>>> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
>>> to go into to town for a week or so).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

 I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
 Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

 Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Steve Jones]

The purification will clear out all that. Theyll most likely have been in
the cage more than 14 days by then.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 7:23 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I'm not sure you'd want to be using those walking bags of water in the
> case of a disaster caused by a virus...
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Ive never tried to store water. Its too heavy to move, its too bulky for
>> space. Im thinking about dehydrating some to address that.  Really though,
>> the water always makes me laugh, youre not going get enough on hand for any
>> long term. I know how to dig a well, i know who has a well, i have
>> sufficent ammunition should they not be interested in a barter, i know how
>> to collect water, i know how to distill water, i know how to build multi
>> stage filtration and i know my neighbors are walking bags of water. I would
>> like to learn how to make a reverse osmosis filter.
>> Municiple water supplies are an achilles heel. Anybody who can pump water
>> at above 25 pounds can contaminate everything down the line from whichever
>> spigot they hook up to.
>> We have a flavoring plant at our water company, thats where id toss the
>> bodies, low pressure tanks.
>> My last resort bug out is rice. I keep 20lbs per person in my house
>> sealed in buckets. That and a shit ton of salt.
>> Its almost pointless in city limits to maintain an armageddon level
>> stash. After 2 weeks the unprepared will be out of resources and youll
>> spend more time shooting them than sleeping.
>> People who think toilet paper and water are survival goods will make a
>> fine dinner at some point for someone.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 6:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> Because bottled water is what you buy when you're preparing for
>>> impending doom... apparently.
>>>
>>> I can see stocking up on a few weeks worth of supplies, so you can go
>>> out as little as possible, but the risk of losing power/water doesn't
>>> exactly seem high.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:04 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
 situation.

 I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods,
 as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
 for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
 some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
 and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
 stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
 not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
 to go into to town for a week or so).



 On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:

> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>
> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>
> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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[AFMUG] OT: They're out there...

[Bill Prince]

  
  
A team of
researchers from Plex Corporation, Bruker Scientific LLC and
Harvard University has found evidence of a protein inside of a
meteorite.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a 
cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has 
COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.



bp


On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to 
prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in 
public. If you want to get the R0  (R naught) below two and get ahead 
of this you _must_ stop people from passing.    Part of the reason not 
to touch is also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces as 
there is a pretty good body of evidence that it lasts multiple days on 
paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV helps but 
this is a much tougher little bugger than the common flu..


On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if 
you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks 
don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the 
virus in.



bp


On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't 
have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  
What the heck?


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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as 
airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not 
much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open 
up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese 
weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a 
field hospital. Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane 
is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, 
eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need 
to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff and first 
responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening 
with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are 
now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


    Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
    COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

    If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
    the end.

    bp

    


    On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

    Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
    tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
    baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
    cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
    they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
    cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

    *From:* AF 
     *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
    *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

    You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
    preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

    Just a hypothesis.

    On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

    i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
    most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
    minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
    tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
    the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
    understood why people on the right get very nervous about
    these things. a lot like devout christians worying about
    end times and rapture.

    On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
    mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
    guys.  He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex
    Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place
    at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Mathew Howard]

I just don't know, man... seems like they'll be all dried out if you keep
'em in the cage that long.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> The purification will clear out all that. Theyll most likely have been in
> the cage more than 14 days by then.
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 7:23 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure you'd want to be using those walking bags of water in the
>> case of a disaster caused by a virus...
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ive never tried to store water. Its too heavy to move, its too bulky for
>>> space. Im thinking about dehydrating some to address that.  Really though,
>>> the water always makes me laugh, youre not going get enough on hand for any
>>> long term. I know how to dig a well, i know who has a well, i have
>>> sufficent ammunition should they not be interested in a barter, i know how
>>> to collect water, i know how to distill water, i know how to build multi
>>> stage filtration and i know my neighbors are walking bags of water. I would
>>> like to learn how to make a reverse osmosis filter.
>>> Municiple water supplies are an achilles heel. Anybody who can pump
>>> water at above 25 pounds can contaminate everything down the line from
>>> whichever spigot they hook up to.
>>> We have a flavoring plant at our water company, thats where id toss the
>>> bodies, low pressure tanks.
>>> My last resort bug out is rice. I keep 20lbs per person in my house
>>> sealed in buckets. That and a shit ton of salt.
>>> Its almost pointless in city limits to maintain an armageddon level
>>> stash. After 2 weeks the unprepared will be out of resources and youll
>>> spend more time shooting them than sleeping.
>>> People who think toilet paper and water are survival goods will make a
>>> fine dinner at some point for someone.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 6:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>>
 Because bottled water is what you buy when you're preparing for
 impending doom... apparently.

 I can see stocking up on a few weeks worth of supplies, so you can go
 out as little as possible, but the risk of losing power/water doesn't
 exactly seem high.

 On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:04 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
> situation.
>
> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf
> goods, as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine
> myself here for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead
> and restock some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles
> out of town and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep 
> a
> well stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may
> or may not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you
> don't want to go into to town for a week or so).
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>
>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>>
>> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>>
>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Steve Jones]

Ill be feeding them contaminated water, thats one of the multi stage
filters i spoke of

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 8:41 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I just don't know, man... seems like they'll be all dried out if you keep
> 'em in the cage that long.
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> The purification will clear out all that. Theyll most likely have been in
>> the cage more than 14 days by then.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 7:23 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure you'd want to be using those walking bags of water in the
>>> case of a disaster caused by a virus...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ive never tried to store water. Its too heavy to move, its too bulky
 for space. Im thinking about dehydrating some to address that.  Really
 though, the water always makes me laugh, youre not going get enough on hand
 for any long term. I know how to dig a well, i know who has a well, i have
 sufficent ammunition should they not be interested in a barter, i know how
 to collect water, i know how to distill water, i know how to build multi
 stage filtration and i know my neighbors are walking bags of water. I would
 like to learn how to make a reverse osmosis filter.
 Municiple water supplies are an achilles heel. Anybody who can pump
 water at above 25 pounds can contaminate everything down the line from
 whichever spigot they hook up to.
 We have a flavoring plant at our water company, thats where id toss the
 bodies, low pressure tanks.
 My last resort bug out is rice. I keep 20lbs per person in my house
 sealed in buckets. That and a shit ton of salt.
 Its almost pointless in city limits to maintain an armageddon level
 stash. After 2 weeks the unprepared will be out of resources and youll
 spend more time shooting them than sleeping.
 People who think toilet paper and water are survival goods will make a
 fine dinner at some point for someone.

 On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 6:20 PM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> Because bottled water is what you buy when you're preparing for
> impending doom... apparently.
>
> I can see stocking up on a few weeks worth of supplies, so you can go
> out as little as possible, but the risk of losing power/water doesn't
> exactly seem high.
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:04 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
>> situation.
>>
>> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf
>> goods, as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine
>> myself here for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead
>> and restock some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 
>> miles
>> out of town and largely working from home pretty much means that you 
>> keep a
>> well stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may
>> or may not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you
>> don't want to go into to town for a week or so).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>>>
>>> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>>>
>>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.


bp


On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to prevent 
you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public. If you 
want to get the R0  (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you _must_ 
stop people from passing.Part of the reason not to touch is also to 
keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty good body 
of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days 
on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a much tougher little bugger 
than the common flu..


On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if you 
ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't 
really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.



bp


On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 
6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the 
heck?


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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term 
“surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid 
with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital. 
Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. 
With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is 
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get 
quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in 
Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a 
precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
the end.

bp




On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
understood why people on the right get very nervous about
these things. a lot like devout christians worying about
end times and rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
guy

Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Ken Hohhof]

Does this involve lotion, a basket, and a hose?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 9:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

Ill be feeding them contaminated water, thats one of the multi stage filters i 
spoke of

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 8:41 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I just don't know, man... seems like they'll be all dried out if you keep 'em 
in the cage that long.

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The purification will clear out all that. Theyll most likely have been in the 
cage more than 14 days by then.

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 7:23 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I'm not sure you'd want to be using those walking bags of water in the case of 
a disaster caused by a virus...

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ive never tried to store water. Its too heavy to move, its too bulky for space. 
Im thinking about dehydrating some to address that.  Really though, the water 
always makes me laugh, youre not going get enough on hand for any long term. I 
know how to dig a well, i know who has a well, i have sufficent ammunition 
should they not be interested in a barter, i know how to collect water, i know 
how to distill water, i know how to build multi stage filtration and i know my 
neighbors are walking bags of water. I would like to learn how to make a 
reverse osmosis filter.

Municiple water supplies are an achilles heel. Anybody who can pump water at 
above 25 pounds can contaminate everything down the line from whichever spigot 
they hook up to.

We have a flavoring plant at our water company, thats where id toss the bodies, 
low pressure tanks.

My last resort bug out is rice. I keep 20lbs per person in my house sealed in 
buckets. That and a shit ton of salt.

Its almost pointless in city limits to maintain an armageddon level stash. 
After 2 weeks the unprepared will be out of resources and youll spend more time 
shooting them than sleeping.

People who think toilet paper and water are survival goods will make a fine 
dinner at some point for someone.

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 6:20 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Because bottled water is what you buy when you're preparing for impending 
doom... apparently.

 

I can see stocking up on a few weeks worth of supplies, so you can go out as 
little as possible, but the risk of losing power/water doesn't exactly seem 
high.

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:04 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.   

 

I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as I 
personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here for a 
few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff 
which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely 
working from home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry 
regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not have, 
especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want to go into to 
town for a week or so).

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

 

I have two wells.  Both solar powered.  

Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

 

Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Steve Jones]

The hose isnt neccessary if it puts the lotion on its skin

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 10:03 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Does this involve lotion, a basket, and a hose?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 3, 2020 9:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>
>
>
> Ill be feeding them contaminated water, thats one of the multi stage
> filters i spoke of
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 8:41 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> I just don't know, man... seems like they'll be all dried out if you keep
> 'em in the cage that long.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> The purification will clear out all that. Theyll most likely have been in
> the cage more than 14 days by then.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 7:23 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> I'm not sure you'd want to be using those walking bags of water in the
> case of a disaster caused by a virus...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Ive never tried to store water. Its too heavy to move, its too bulky for
> space. Im thinking about dehydrating some to address that.  Really though,
> the water always makes me laugh, youre not going get enough on hand for any
> long term. I know how to dig a well, i know who has a well, i have
> sufficent ammunition should they not be interested in a barter, i know how
> to collect water, i know how to distill water, i know how to build multi
> stage filtration and i know my neighbors are walking bags of water. I would
> like to learn how to make a reverse osmosis filter.
>
> Municiple water supplies are an achilles heel. Anybody who can pump water
> at above 25 pounds can contaminate everything down the line from whichever
> spigot they hook up to.
>
> We have a flavoring plant at our water company, thats where id toss the
> bodies, low pressure tanks.
>
> My last resort bug out is rice. I keep 20lbs per person in my house sealed
> in buckets. That and a shit ton of salt.
>
> Its almost pointless in city limits to maintain an armageddon level stash.
> After 2 weeks the unprepared will be out of resources and youll spend more
> time shooting them than sleeping.
>
> People who think toilet paper and water are survival goods will make a
> fine dinner at some point for someone.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 6:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> Because bottled water is what you buy when you're preparing for impending
> doom... apparently.
>
>
>
> I can see stocking up on a few weeks worth of supplies, so you can go out
> as little as possible, but the risk of losing power/water doesn't exactly
> seem high.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:04 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.
>
>
>
> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as
> I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
> to go into to town for a week or so).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>
> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>
>
>
> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>
> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>
>
>
> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Jason McKemie]

If the water is in towers it will keep flowing until they run out.

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> Power = Water..   Power goes offline so do the wells
>
> On 3/3/20 4:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.
>
>
> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as
> I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
> to go into to town for a week or so).
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>
>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>>
>> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>>
>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Steve Jones]

Thats not a lot of water. Especially if somebody croaks out in the shower

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 10:40 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> If the water is in towers it will keep flowing until they run out.
>
> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Power = Water..   Power goes offline so do the wells
>>
>> On 3/3/20 4:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.
>>
>>
>> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods,
>> as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
>> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
>> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
>> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
>> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
>> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
>> to go into to town for a week or so).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>>>
>>> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>>>
>>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Jason McKemie]

Not a lot, no. But it will run for a while.

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020, Steve Jones  wrote:

> Thats not a lot of water. Especially if somebody croaks out in the shower
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 10:40 PM Jason McKemie  com> wrote:
>
>> If the water is in towers it will keep flowing until they run out.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Power = Water..   Power goes offline so do the wells
>>>
>>> On 3/3/20 4:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods,
>>> as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
>>> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
>>> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
>>> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
>>> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
>>> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
>>> to go into to town for a week or so).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

 I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
 Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

 Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Steve Jones]

Supposedly our walmart is empty of these things now. I laugh, because
theyll be filled overnight. Im thinking about buying a ton on cases at
1.99, a posterboard and marker. And then sit outside with my "out of water
10 dollars per case" sign. Since theres no actual shortage, im not gouging.
And im still selling for much less than the pop machine is selling bottled
water right next to me.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 10:57 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Not a lot, no. But it will run for a while.
>
> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
>> Thats not a lot of water. Especially if somebody croaks out in the shower
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 10:40 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If the water is in towers it will keep flowing until they run out.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 Power = Water..   Power goes offline so do the wells

 On 3/3/20 4:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

 I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
 situation.

 I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods,
 as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
 for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
 some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
 and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
 stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
 not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
 to go into to town for a week or so).



 On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:

> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>
> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>
> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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