Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik firewall performance

[Josh Luthman]

I'm pretty sure you'd want to do a simple firewall rule with the address
list.  A layer 7 would be WAY more inefficient.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 1:17 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Is it more expensive to have a layer7 content match, or match source
> IP's against an address list with 8000 entries?  I can do either one of
> these with one rule.
>
> I could go to the Mikrotik forum, but then I'd have to wade through all
> the dumb chatter whereas I know the smart people live here already.
>
> -Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] TCP Windowing

[Mike Hammett]

It's no different traveling over your pipe or someone else's. 




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From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 4:09:10 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] TCP Windowing 

Those buying transport from your DC to an IX, how are you avoiding TCP 
windowing issues causing you to not be able to take advantage of your new super 
fast data circuit ? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit speeds

[dave via AF]

I run into that with ATT as well


On 11/9/19 4:18 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Yes, we have our server on a 10Gb port for precisely that reason.  940Mbps is 
about the actual limit due to TCP overhead on a 1Gb link.  We routinely see 
good test results.   It does take a wired connection and a good computer to 
test at Gigabit.

Looking at the logs for the last 2000 tests on our speedtest server it shows 
multiple tests over 939Mbps including some from off net including XFinity, 
Spectrum, and ACD.

Amusingly AT&T’s best result is 539Mbps, though that probably says more about how 
our network reaches AT&T.

Mark


On Nov 9, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

Has anyone here ever actually seen gigabit speeds to a public speed test server?

As we roll out faster plans, I’m wondering how to address the end user who says 
“I’m not getting gigabit to any server I test to”.
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Re: [AFMUG] TCP Windowing

[John Osmon]

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 05:09:10PM -0500, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Those buying transport from your DC to an IX, how are you avoiding TCP
> windowing issues causing you to not be able to take advantage of your
> new super fast data circuit ?

RFC1323 helped most people work out how to fix such issues.  I'm not
aware of any IP stacks that don't have window scaling now.

War story time, skip it unless you want to hear about Internet
in the "hinterlands."

In the summer of 2001, there was an ISP with a presence in Roswell,
NM and Lubbock, TX.  They picked up Internet in Lubbock, and had a T-1
to Roswell.  The folks I worked for covered most of NM.   We were
both in the same building in Roswell, so we sold them a 10M ethernet
port and hauled them to Albuquerque via a DS-3 for a higher bandwidth
path to their TX site via Internet transit (i recall we both bought from
AS701 at the time).

They regularly used 5M+ on the circuit, but claimed we only gave them 
1M, and that their T-1 was "faster than your ethernet."  They were kinda
right -- the DS-3 path had 35ms+ latency.  Their NT servers defaulted to
a window size that limited them to about 1M if they used FTP between the 
servers.

I suspect their complaints were really centered around cancelling the
circuit, because we fixed their problem with a registry tweak to
increase window size on their NT boxes.  The next day the port went
down/down on our router, and we never heard from them again...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Induction coil voltage

[Warren King]

 Have you returned to Dearborn to see the various modifications to the 
“fishbowl”?

I passed through it a few times while my daughters were students from 1997 to 
2004.  But, get this, I was back this past Spring for a 50th reunion sponsored 
by the engineering department.  The EECS department headquarters is no longer 
in Dearborn, but Dearborn remains in use by the department.

Did you have “Fields and Energy Conversion” with G. C. Alexander?
“Transmission Lines” with Phillip Magnuson?
“Circuits” with Don Amort?
“Solid State” with Xxxx Looney?
“Communication” with Leonard Weber?

Cheers!

Warren

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 11:27 AM,   wrote:
> 
> In our motor lab someone asked the prof something similar like reversing 
> polarity to a DC motor that was fully wound up.
> I don’t remember the exact question or exactly what he did but I do remember 
> the result.
>  
> The motor tore itself from its moorings and launched across the room..
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 12:15 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Induction coil voltage
>  
> I was an EE undergrad long enough ago that we had a required course called 
> “Electromechanical Devices”, and popularly referred to as “Motors”.  It had a 
> lab, and none of the professors wanted to teach Motors Lab, so it usually 
> fell to the most junior prof, who didn’t want to be there.
>  
> We had one whose standard answer to all questions was “Let’s find out.”
>  
> Student:  What happens if you open the field coil on a running DC motor?
> Professor:  Let’s find out.
>  
> Student:  What happens if you short the output of the generator in a 
> motor/generator pair?
> Professor:  Let’s find out.
>  
> Who can guess what we found out?
> Hints:  a high pitched whirr, and a sudden thunk, were involved.
>  
>  
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[AFMUG] Monday Funnies

[Gino A. Villarini]

Weapon Delivery System:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyAi8HXgFR8&feature=youtu.be


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Re: [AFMUG] Monday Funnies

[Chuck McCown]

Genocide you could call it Ginocide

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 1:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Weapon Delivery System:
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyAi8HXgFR8&feature=youtu.be
>  
> Gino Villarini 
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Re: [AFMUG] Monday Funnies

[dave via AF]

I have been Enlightned :) ROFL!


On 11/11/19 2:00 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


Weapon Delivery System:

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Re: [AFMUG] Monday Funnies

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It’s the 450 volt capacitor!!!

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> On Nov 11, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Weapon Delivery System:
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyAi8HXgFR8&feature=youtu.be
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
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[AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

[Chuck McCown]

I am thinking of following up my strategic Moviepass investment with one in 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

[Ken Hohhof]

Something like 6 months ago my financial advisor convinced me to sell my GM
stock and buy Boeing.  I've suspected I did something stupid ever since.
Getting out of GM was probably OK, but I think Boeing has plenty of room to
drop.  I am afraid investors may dump BA as end of year approaches to clean
up their portfolio or take tax losses, and in any case, they are not looking
like a well run company.

 

So if you want to double down on your Moviepass adventure, you could buy a
bunch of Boeing.

 

Or how about Frontier Communications?  A bargain at less than $1.  5 years
ago they were at $100.  Bloomberg article a couple days ago says they are
looking for a new CEO ahead of an expected bankruptcy filing.  Which was
totally predictable when they took on a mountain of debt to buy all the
areas that Verizon and AT&T didn't want.  It has to be bottoming out.  No
where to go but up, right?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 9:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

 

I am thinking of following up my strategic Moviepass investment with one in
PG&E.  It has to be bottoming out.  No where to go but up, right?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

[Chuck McCown]

Boeing is going to have a good year.  The MAX 737 saga is coming to an end and 
their while system will be better because of it.  And then it will be 
forgotten.  Just like VW emissions testing...

Even so, I am going to stick with my super high priced index fund.  It is at a 
historical high and I still dumped more money into it.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 8:26 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

Something like 6 months ago my financial advisor convinced me to sell my GM 
stock and buy Boeing.  I’ve suspected I did something stupid ever since.  
Getting out of GM was probably OK, but I think Boeing has plenty of room to 
drop.  I am afraid investors may dump BA as end of year approaches to clean up 
their portfolio or take tax losses, and in any case, they are not looking like 
a well run company.

 

So if you want to double down on your Moviepass adventure, you could buy a 
bunch of Boeing.

 

Or how about Frontier Communications?  A bargain at less than $1.  5 years ago 
they were at $100.  Bloomberg article a couple days ago says they are looking 
for a new CEO ahead of an expected bankruptcy filing.  Which was totally 
predictable when they took on a mountain of debt to buy all the areas that 
Verizon and AT&T didn’t want.  It has to be bottoming out.  No where to go but 
up, right?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 9:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

 

I am thinking of following up my strategic Moviepass investment with one in 
PG&E.  It has to be bottoming out.  No where to go but up, right?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

[Ken Hohhof]

Regarding PG&E, elections might have consequences.  Good luck predicting that.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 9:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

 

Boeing is going to have a good year.  The MAX 737 saga is coming to an end and 
their while system will be better because of it.  And then it will be 
forgotten.  Just like VW emissions testing...

 

Even so, I am going to stick with my super high priced index fund.  It is at a 
historical high and I still dumped more money into it.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 8:26 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

 

Something like 6 months ago my financial advisor convinced me to sell my GM 
stock and buy Boeing.  I’ve suspected I did something stupid ever since.  
Getting out of GM was probably OK, but I think Boeing has plenty of room to 
drop.  I am afraid investors may dump BA as end of year approaches to clean up 
their portfolio or take tax losses, and in any case, they are not looking like 
a well run company.

 

So if you want to double down on your Moviepass adventure, you could buy a 
bunch of Boeing.

 

Or how about Frontier Communications?  A bargain at less than $1.  5 years ago 
they were at $100.  Bloomberg article a couple days ago says they are looking 
for a new CEO ahead of an expected bankruptcy filing.  Which was totally 
predictable when they took on a mountain of debt to buy all the areas that 
Verizon and AT&T didn’t want.  It has to be bottoming out.  No where to go but 
up, right?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 9:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

 

I am thinking of following up my strategic Moviepass investment with one in 
PG&E.  It has to be bottoming out.  No where to go but up, right?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Kmart...
Jcpenny

No gambles have paid off

Healthsouth.  Now that would have paid off...

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From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips
Date: Mon, Nov 11, 2019 9:26 PM

Something like 6 months ago my financial advisor convinced me to sell my GM 
stock and buy Boeing.  I’ve suspected I did something stupid ever since.  
Getting out of GM was probably OK, but I think Boeing has plenty of room to 
drop.  I am afraid investors may dump BA as end of year approaches to clean up 
their portfolio or take tax losses, and in any case, they are not looking like 
a well run company. So if you want to double down on your Moviepass adventure, 
you could buy a bunch of Boeing. Or how about Frontier Communications?  A 
bargain at less than $1.  5 years ago they were at $100.  Bloomberg article a 
couple days ago says they are looking for a new CEO ahead of an expected 
bankruptcy filing.  Which was totally predictable when they took on a mountain 
of debt to buy all the areas that Verizon and AT&T didn’t want.  It has to be 
bottoming out.  No where to go but up, right?  From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 9:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips
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Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I thought for a while that people should just look at what I invest in and
short them.   I had a nearly 100% success rate in picking stocks which
would eventually become worthless. But again I also at the time figured
that there was a high percentage chance that the stocks I picked would do
that - it was more gambling than investing since they were largely R&D
ventures.

I do still occasionally buy a few shares of individual stocks, but it
really is more of a bit of "I trust and respect this company, I would like
to own a little piece of it" than investing.   Tesla, Microchip
Technologies, etc.   Will probably pick up some CMBM.   Other than that I
just stick to index funds anymore.



On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:03 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am thinking of following up my strategic Moviepass investment with one
> in PG&E.  It has to be bottoming out.  No where to go but up, right?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

[Robert]

I really want to pick up some tesla, as I figure eventually spaceX will 
be folded into it.   But I just can't do that to all my friends that 
hold it.   I have that bad an influence...


On 11/11/19 8:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I thought for a while that people should just look at what I invest in 
and short them.   I had a nearly 100% success rate in picking stocks 
which would eventually become worthless.     But again I also at the 
time figured that there was a high percentage chance that the stocks I 
picked would do that - it was more gambling than investing since they 
were largely R&D ventures.


I do still occasionally buy a few shares of individual stocks, but it 
really is more of a bit of "I trust and respect this company, I would 
like to own a little piece of it" than investing.   Tesla, Microchip 
Technologies, etc.  Will probably pick up some CMBM.   Other than that 
I just stick to index funds anymore.




On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:03 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


I am thinking of following up my strategic Moviepass investment
with one in PG&E.  It has to be bottoming out.  No where to go but
up, right?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Induction coil voltage

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I go to a conference every year put on by Microchip Technologies where a
lot of us who use Microchip microcontrollers take classes put on often by
the people who are designing the actual products we're using.

Like every other conference, a big part is to meet and discuss things with
other attendees.   I always love when I end up sitting at a table by people
who do high-powered motor control, typically brushless anymore.   They
always have good stories to tell.

Apparently you've never experienced life until you have your code
unintentionally attempt to lock a rotor on a very very big DC motor.   The
stories about having a motor self-destruct on a test rig as a result are
just scary.   I think I can skip that portion of my life experience
thank you very much.   I do enough unintentional destruction of electronics
myself without needing to add shrapnel to the mix.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 5:33 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> For our EE power class (motors, generators, etc.) they decided we should
> take a lab exam.   My exam time was for the second session.  When the
> elevator door opened on the lab floor the burnt electrical smell was pretty
> obvious.Professor comes walking out of the exam with an armful of
> equipment heading for the tech repair shop shaking his head and muttering
> something about “this was a really bad idea”.
>
> One would think senior level electrical engineering students would know
> not to yank banana plug patch cords out of DC motors running at full speed.
>   Or not try to uncouple a paralleled generator by adjusting the power
> factor to 0 (for those of you not EE’s that leads to two generators trying
> to rip themselves apart).  Or measure voltage with a ammeter.
>
> Mark
>
> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:27 PM,   wrote:
>
> In our motor lab someone asked the prof something similar like reversing
> polarity to a DC motor that was fully wound up.
> I don’t remember the exact question or exactly what he did but I do
> remember the result.
>
> The motor tore itself from its moorings and launched across the room..
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 7, 2019 12:15 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Induction coil voltage
>
> I was an EE undergrad long enough ago that we had a required course called
> “Electromechanical Devices”, and popularly referred to as “Motors”.  It had
> a lab, and none of the professors wanted to teach Motors Lab, so it usually
> fell to the most junior prof, who didn’t want to be there.
>
> We had one whose standard answer to all questions was “Let’s find out.”
>
> Student:  What happens if you open the field coil on a running DC motor?
> Professor:  Let’s find out.
>
> Student:  What happens if you short the output of the generator in a
> motor/generator pair?
> Professor:  Let’s find out.
>
> Who can guess what we found out?
> Hints:  a high pitched whirr, and a sudden thunk, were involved.
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 7, 2019 12:53 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Induction coil voltage
>
> I used to have a flashlight that had a coil and magnet just like this.
> Shake it for a while and charge a cap that is used to light the light.
> Can’t remember if you could shake it and make light in real time.
>
> But yeah, you can certainly use a rectifier and cap to make DC for a DC
> motor.
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 7, 2019 11:47 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Induction coil voltage
>
> A future project is going to be a primitive motor powered by a
> batteryI wonder if I can shake this bugger to make the motor spin.
> On 11/7/2019 1:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Yes, it is one cycle of AC.
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 7, 2019 11:26 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Induction coil voltage
>
> So by the way, this activity works with a 4oz (800+ feet) roll of 30AWG
> wrapped around the paper towel tube.
> My next point of confusion is this:
> An LED obviously has a polarity.  If I connect one LED to the coil and
> drop the magnet through, the LED lights for a moment.  I expected that if I
> drop the magnet N first and S first that it would light up one way and not
> the other.  Instead the LED blinks whichever way I drop the magnet.  So
> does that mean I am getting A/C power with this?  Do I get current in one
> direction with the leading edge of the magnetic field passing through the
> coil and then current the other direction as the trailing edge of the field
> passes?
> I ran out of time last night before I got to the point of hooking up both
> LED's.  So if this is A/C then the difference would be which color blinks
> first I suppose.
> The point of this was to teach the kids something about electricity, but
> it's turning out that my knowledge on these fundamentals is pretty
> superficial.
> -Adam
>
>
> On 11/3/2019 12

Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Well my admittedly teensy holding of TSLA is about back to where I bought
it (within 3%).  Maybe I should buy more so it can go back down.

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:37 PM Robert  wrote:

> I really want to pick up some tesla, as I figure eventually spaceX will be
> folded into it.   But I just can't do that to all my friends that hold
> it.   I have that bad an influence...
>
> On 11/11/19 8:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> I thought for a while that people should just look at what I invest in and
> short them.   I had a nearly 100% success rate in picking stocks which
> would eventually become worthless. But again I also at the time figured
> that there was a high percentage chance that the stocks I picked would do
> that - it was more gambling than investing since they were largely R&D
> ventures.
>
> I do still occasionally buy a few shares of individual stocks, but it
> really is more of a bit of "I trust and respect this company, I would like
> to own a little piece of it" than investing.   Tesla, Microchip
> Technologies, etc.   Will probably pick up some CMBM.   Other than that I
> just stick to index funds anymore.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:03 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I am thinking of following up my strategic Moviepass investment with one
>> in PG&E.  It has to be bottoming out.  No where to go but up, right?
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