Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

2019-10-04 Thread dave via AF 

I typically try to move them up between major release firmware.
I would go from 15.0 to 15.2.1 then straight to 16.1


On 10/3/19 3:58 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

Nope. You should be able to go straight to 16.1

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm jumping into a set of PMP450 radios that haven't been updated
in 3
years or so.

Are there any incompatible upgrades between 15.0 and 16.1?

Is there a certain order of upgrades that matters?  I remember way
back
in the day when there was a big jump you had to do the upgrades in a
certain sequence.

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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

2019-10-04 Thread dave via AF 
I found an issue with upgrading AP to 16.1 before the subs because 15.0 
may not reconnect



On 10/3/19 7:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Interesting.  Is that related to the new scheduler?

On 10/3/2019 5:12 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
Make sure you upgrade all your SM's first before the AP. 16.1 is not 
backwards compatible and any SM's new out of the box will not work. 
We are staying on 16.0.1 for the foreseeable future.


On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:58 PM Ryan Ray > wrote:


Nope. You should be able to go straight to 16.1

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm jumping into a set of PMP450 radios that haven't been
updated in 3
years or so.

Are there any incompatible upgrades between 15.0 and 16.1?

Is there a certain order of upgrades that matters?  I
remember way back
in the day when there was a big jump you had to do the
upgrades in a
certain sequence.

-Adam



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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

2019-10-04 Thread dave via AF 

I am only running 16.1 on the 450M


On 10/3/19 4:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I’d still check release notes.  There were some caveats, but they 
probably don’t apply to you.


One was if you have any 430 SMs.  Another had to do with encryption.  
And another had to do with 450m.


Also was there some discussion that 16.1 might have some bug?  I think 
we’re still using 16.0.1 here.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
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Nope. You should be able to go straight to 16.1

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm jumping into a set of PMP450 radios that haven't been updated
in 3
years or so.

Are there any incompatible upgrades between 15.0 and 16.1?

Is there a certain order of upgrades that matters?  I remember way
back
in the day when there was a big jump you had to do the upgrades in a
certain sequence.

-Adam



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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

2019-10-04 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Same here.  And I think you want your SMs on at least 15.2 before upgrading the 
AP to 16.1.

 

I have not had problems taking the SMs to 16.x first, but I think you can have 
problems connecting if the SMs are too far behind the AP.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of dave via AF
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Cc: dave 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

 

I am only running 16.1 on the 450M 



On 10/3/19 4:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’d still check release notes.  There were some caveats, but they probably 
don’t apply to you.

 

One was if you have any 430 SMs.  Another had to do with encryption.  And 
another had to do with 450m.

 

Also was there some discussion that 16.1 might have some bug?  I think we’re 
still using 16.0.1 here.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

 

Nope. You should be able to go straight to 16.1

 

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm jumping into a set of PMP450 radios that haven't been updated in 3 
years or so.

Are there any incompatible upgrades between 15.0 and 16.1?

Is there a certain order of upgrades that matters?  I remember way back 
in the day when there was a big jump you had to do the upgrades in a 
certain sequence.

-Adam



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Re: [AFMUG] Remote Control - next question

2019-10-04 Thread Chuck McCown 
Got a Hologram card coming.  Looks like it is $0.60 for 1 MB per month.  That 
should do me I would think.
Got a netgear mobile hotspot for about $50.  Going to hack it to make it 12 
volt power and external antenna.  

My technicians were impressed when we turned on the air to a duct from a mile 
away yesterday.  They fully expected someone would have to drive back and fire 
up the compressor.  Nope, my son Ben simply pulled out his phone and click, 
water, rocks dirt and eventually a sponge came shooting out of the duct.  


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Get a SIM from Hologram.io for $5. It works with AT&T and Verizon for as little 
as $1.5/month. Then
put it in the hotspot device of your choice.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 8:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  We are loving the iot switch and app to remote control our air compressor.
  But I no longer want to leave my cell phone in the enclosure I made for the 
iot device.

  So, need a mobile hotspot device.  We use AT&T.  They have some kind of 
netgear device for $8 and change / month.

  Should I just get some device and get a sim card?  Very low data usage.  

  Any suggestions?
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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

2019-10-04 Thread dave via AF 

Yep +1 thats what I found when I updated the wrong ap one time.
I dont update my 450i radios to 16.1 only my medusa radios get that.
450i stops on 16.0.1 for me


On 10/4/19 8:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Same here. And I think you want your SMs on at least 15.2 before 
upgrading the AP to 16.1.


I have not had problems taking the SMs to 16.x first, but I think you 
can have problems connecting if the SMs are too far behind the AP.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave via AF
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*Cc:* dave 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

I am only running 16.1 on the 450M

On 10/3/19 4:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’d still check release notes.  There were some caveats, but they
probably don’t apply to you.

One was if you have any 430 SMs.  Another had to do with
encryption.  And another had to do with 450m.

Also was there some discussion that 16.1 might have some bug?  I
think we’re still using 16.0.1 here.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
*Sent:* Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:58 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

Nope. You should be able to go straight to 16.1

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm jumping into a set of PMP450 radios that haven't been
updated in 3
years or so.

Are there any incompatible upgrades between 15.0 and 16.1?

Is there a certain order of upgrades that matters?  I remember
way back
in the day when there was a big jump you had to do the
upgrades in a
certain sequence.

-Adam



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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

2019-10-04 Thread Adam Moffett 

That's a shame.  A lot of interesting features in 16.1.


On 10/4/2019 11:54 AM, dave via AF wrote:

Yep +1 thats what I found when I updated the wrong ap one time.
I dont update my 450i radios to 16.1 only my medusa radios get that.
450i stops on 16.0.1 for me


On 10/4/19 8:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Same here.  And I think you want your SMs on at least 15.2 before 
upgrading the AP to 16.1.


I have not had problems taking the SMs to 16.x first, but I think you 
can have problems connecting if the SMs are too far behind the AP.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave via AF
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*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* dave 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

I am only running 16.1 on the 450M

On 10/3/19 4:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’d still check release notes.  There were some caveats, but they
probably don’t apply to you.

One was if you have any 430 SMs. Another had to do with
encryption.  And another had to do with 450m.

Also was there some discussion that 16.1 might have some bug?  I
think we’re still using 16.0.1 here.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
*Sent:* Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:58 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 upgrade order

Nope. You should be able to go straight to 16.1

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm jumping into a set of PMP450 radios that haven't been
updated in 3
years or so.

Are there any incompatible upgrades between 15.0 and 16.1?

Is there a certain order of upgrades that matters?  I
remember way back
in the day when there was a big jump you had to do the
upgrades in a
certain sequence.

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[AFMUG] Mikrotik queues and packet loss

2019-10-04 Thread Adam Moffett 
I have a device with a direct ethernet connection to a CCR 1016. There's 
a simple queue limiting it to 100mbps.


If I ping that host aggressively (like 50pps) then I get small amounts 
of packet loss.  If I disable the queue then I get no packet loss 
whatsoever.  I fiddled with different queue sizes and queue types, but 
there's no obvious difference until I turn the queue off.  The ROS 
version is recent, but not the newest.  Is this a known thing? I don't 
make extensive use of Mikrotik's queues so this is new to me.


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik queues and packet loss

2019-10-04 Thread dave via AF 

I have been curious about this...
Is your tracking set to yes in the connection tracking for the firewall?


On 10/4/19 11:08 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I have a device with a direct ethernet connection to a CCR 1016. 
There's a simple queue limiting it to 100mbps.


If I ping that host aggressively (like 50pps) then I get small amounts 
of packet loss.  If I disable the queue then I get no packet loss 
whatsoever.  I fiddled with different queue sizes and queue types, but 
there's no obvious difference until I turn the queue off.  The ROS 
version is recent, but not the newest.  Is this a known thing? I don't 
make extensive use of Mikrotik's queues so this is new to me.


-Adam






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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik queues and packet loss

2019-10-04 Thread Adam Moffett 

It's set to auto, but it's definitely tracking connections.

Why?


On 10/4/2019 2:56 PM, dave via AF wrote:


I have been curious about this...
Is your tracking set to yes in the connection tracking for the firewall?


On 10/4/19 11:08 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I have a device with a direct ethernet connection to a CCR 1016. 
There's a simple queue limiting it to 100mbps.


If I ping that host aggressively (like 50pps) then I get small 
amounts of packet loss.  If I disable the queue then I get no packet 
loss whatsoever.  I fiddled with different queue sizes and queue 
types, but there's no obvious difference until I turn the queue off.  
The ROS version is recent, but not the newest. Is this a known thing? 
I don't make extensive use of Mikrotik's queues so this is new to me.


-Adam








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