Re: TDP for Exchnage 6.1 mailbox restore

2009-06-04 Thread Remco Post

TDP for Exchange version 6.1 should be able to restore only selected
items from a full mailstore backup into your RSG. But, I wouldn't be
surprised if it had to retrieve all data from the TSM server in order
to be able to leave out the undesired data. It's not the TSM server
that does the filtering, it's the TDP on the client. So if you had to
restore 1 single mail item from a 1TB mailstore, yes that would mean
transferring 1TB of data, just to restore one single item.

Now, if that is not what you want, look into FastBack for exchange.
That works in a completely different way, and is able to recover
Exchange much faster, but then again, it stores all backup data on
disk



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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On
Behalf Of Nicholas Rodolfich
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:18 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] TDP for Exchnage 6.1 mailbox restore

Hello All,

Thanks for your help.


I am implementing the TDP for Exchange. We have it installed and did a
manual backup successfully. When we try to reetore a mailbox, it
forces us
to use a Recovery Storage Group in Exchange as the target. We chose a
specific email in the filter section and were expecting a restre of
what we
were searching for. Instead, the restore seems to be building a
whole new
database, It wa sup to 14GB when we stopped it. It seem like
nonsense to
restore the whole storage group just to restore a single mail box.
Is this
required.



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Remco Post


TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean
Hi All,

Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated Solution 
Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add Storage Agent. 
Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration.


BR,

Martin


Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread Remco Post

On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote:


Hi All,

Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated
Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to
add Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration.



Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when
all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the
cli to register storage agents.



BR,

Martin


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Remco Post


Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean
Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC is as 
just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin.

BR,

Martin

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Post
Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated
> Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to
> add Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration.
>

Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when
all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the
cli to register storage agents.

>
> BR,
>
> Martin

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Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread PAC Brion Arnaud
>> Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web
Admin.

Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still
wondering who uses that ... thing.

Cheers.

Arnaud 



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Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC
is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin.

BR,

Martin

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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
Remco Post
Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated 
> Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add 
> Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration.
>

Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when
all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the
cli to register storage agents.

>
> BR,
>
> Martin

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Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread Grigori Solonovitch
I agreed completely with "that .".  I have tried to use ISC a few times 
with no success.
I was using TSM WEB Interface 5.2, which was announced by IBM as a temporary 
solution for TSM 5.3, with TSM 5.4 and TSM 5.5 successfully. I addition, I am 
using command line interface dsmadmc.
I wonder, is there any possibility to install TSM WEB Interface 5.2 with TSM 
6.1 or not?


Grigori G. Solonovitch

Senior Technical Architect

Information Technology  Bank of Kuwait and Middle East  http://www.bkme.com

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Brion Arnaud
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:49 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

>> Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web
Admin.

Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still
wondering who uses that ... thing.

Cheers.

Arnaud



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Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland,
CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH
Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01
Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78
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Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC
is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin.

BR,

Martin

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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
Remco Post
Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated
> Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add
> Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration.
>

Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when
all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the
cli to register storage agents.

>
> BR,
>
> Martin

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HSM reconcilliation (Windows-Client)

2009-06-04 Thread Stephan Boldt
Hello everybody,

I'm trying to set up HSM (TSM 5.5.2)  for our Windows fileserver. For
testing purposes I've created a folder c:\temp\hsmtest and put a file into
that folder. I set up a hsm job for that folder and ran it whicht worked as
expected: The file has been moved into the tsm archive and has been replaced
by a stub file. Retrieving the file also worked as expected.
Next (after migrating the file into the archive again) I deleted the
stubfile to test the reconsilliation (the archive copy groups "retain
version" value is set to "nolimit"). I ran the reconsilliation via the HSM
Client GUI, but after that the deleted file was still in the archive (is
still listed when looking for it via the search & retrieve command in the
GUI).

Why is this so? What do I have to do to get rid of the deleted file in the
archive?

Thanks in advance for you help!

kind regards,
Stephan


Re: HSM reconcilliation (Windows-Client)

2009-06-04 Thread Bos, Karel
Did you ran expire inventory?

Regards,

Karel



Hello everybody,

I'm trying to set up HSM (TSM 5.5.2)  for our Windows fileserver. For
testing purposes I've created a folder c:\temp\hsmtest and put a file
into that folder. I set up a hsm job for that folder and ran it whicht
worked as
expected: The file has been moved into the tsm archive and has been
replaced by a stub file. Retrieving the file also worked as expected.
Next (after migrating the file into the archive again) I deleted the
stubfile to test the reconsilliation (the archive copy groups "retain
version" value is set to "nolimit"). I ran the reconsilliation via the
HSM Client GUI, but after that the deleted file was still in the archive
(is still listed when looking for it via the search & retrieve command
in the GUI).

Why is this so? What do I have to do to get rid of the deleted file in
the archive?

Thanks in advance for you help!

kind regards,
Stephan

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Re: TDP for Exchnage 6.1 mailbox restore

2009-06-04 Thread Del Hoobler
IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for Mail supports automated
Individual Mailbox Restore starting with
Data Protection for Exchange version 6.1.

For example, the command to restore a
mailbox could look like this:
   TDPEXCC RESTOREMAILBOX hoobler

The technique that Data Protection for Exchange uses to
perform Individual Mailbox Restore is through the
Recovery Storage Group. It restores the Exchange
database containing the selected mailbox/item
into the Recovery Storage Group and then extracts
the selected data from the RSG. It does all
of this in an automated fashion starting
with version 6.1

This does not require additional backup streams nor
brick-level backups. It can restore data from any legacy
or VSS TSM backup (for VSS, Exchange 2007 and later),
and even from backups created with prior versions of
Data Protection for Exchange.

The technique that Data Protection for Exchange uses
does require a restore of the full database file.
Microsoft does not support "mailbox" or "item"
level extracts from full database backups.
The algorithm follows all Microsoft specifications
and uses only approved APIs for all operations.

The process is as follows:

1. User identifies the mailbox(es) and/or mail items to
   restore using the GUI or CLI to narrow the restore
   to the desired objects.

2. Data Protection for Exchange determines which
   TSM backups will contain the desired objects by
   using a combination of the mailbox history
   and Active Directory.

3. Data Protection for Exchange creates a Recovery
   Storage Group required for proper restore of
   the selected objects. (Note: On Exchange 2003,
   the user must create this manually, since
   Microsoft does not provide an API to do this
   in an automated fashion.)

4. Data Protection for Exchange restores the
   necessary backup(s) into the Recovery
   Storage Group.

5. Data Protection for Exchange extracts the
   selected items from the Recovery Storage Group
   and places them into the desired target location
   (can either be a mailbox or a .PST file)

6. Data Protection for Exchange cleans up the
   Recovery Storage Group (Note: On Exchange 2003,
   the user must clean up manually, since
   Microsoft does not provide an API to do this
   in an automated fashion.)


For more details and more examples, please see the User's Guide:

   http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tsminfo/v6/index.jsp

Look under:
   +Protecting applications
  +Protecting Microsoft Exchange Server data
 - Restoring individual mailbox and mailbox item-level data


Note: There are different techniques that some vendors
use that have advantages, but also carry disadvantages as well.
For example, some use brick-level backups, and some
open the .EDB files directly. Each algorithm has its pros and cons.
The intent of this documentation is not to get into those details,
but to explain the Data Protection for Exchange solution.



Del Hoobler
Tivoli Storage Manager Development
IBM Corporation


"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 06/03/2009
06:18:04 PM:


>
> I am implementing the TDP for Exchange. We have it installed and did a
> manual backup successfully. When we try to reetore a mailbox, it forces
us
> to use a Recovery Storage Group in Exchange as the target. We chose a
> specific email in the filter section and were expecting a restre of what
we
> were searching for. Instead, the restore seems to be building a whole
new
> database, It wa sup to 14GB when we stopped it. It seem like nonsense to
> restore the whole storage group just to restore a single mail box. Is
this
> required.
>
>
>
> Nicholas


Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems

2009-06-04 Thread Hans Christian Riksheim
Thanks for the pioneer work with 6.1! Myself and other free riders are
in deep gratitude to those contributing to making version 6 stable and
useful. When the dust settles in a year or so I too may choose to
upgrade knowing that others have taken the risk of losing their data and
personal sanity in making version 6 a success.

Frankly, I am a bit worried. I look at the bloat at Passport
Advantage(4GB download for reporting? Seriuos?) and it seems that every
piece of s**t software that IBM has produced now is forced upon us.
Already TSM in itself has a steep learning curve with a lot of different
"strange" concepts, but IBM obviously doesn't seem to think this is
enough in their ongoing effort to scare off potential customers. An
installation of 6.1 with reporting and administration on a small site
with for example a 2 drive, 40 slot library will require how many
servers? 3? One for TSM, one for admin and one for reporting?

Hope TSM don't end up as DB2, a database in use by IBM only shops.

I apologize in advance for the negativity expressed above.


Hans Chr.


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Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:05 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems

I could write a book. I have personally opened 4-apars and have tripped
upon numerous other issues.

As for the DB backups required to clear the transaction archive logs:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tsminfo/v6/topic/com.ibm.itsm.s
rv.doc/c_archive_log_space.html

This one caught me off guard. I was testing 6.1 by ex/importing a large
node (which I am going to eventually move, in reality).  With 40M
objects to move, it blew out 350GB of my 450GB disk, in transaction
archive logs.
I was unaware (yeah, yeah.RTFM..) of the requirement for 3-FULL DB
backups (I now schedule 3-FULL DB backups every day) per the document
linked to, above.

Speaking of the DB backups, currently, the majority of them end up with
a timestamp of 2047/11/30, thus making a standard "del volhist"
worthless (keep having to use FORCE to delete them).  See IC61173.



From:
"Allen S. Rout" 
To:
ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:
06/03/2009 12:05 PM
Subject:
Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" 



>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:58:50 -0400, Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU
 said:


> I agree - way too unstable for production.  Watch out for the hidden
> storage/disk requirements plus the need for 3-FULL DB backups before
> it purges archived transaction logs!


More details, Zoltan?


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Re: HSM reconcilliation (Windows-Client)

2009-06-04 Thread Stephan Boldt
Well, I didn't. NOW I did and 1 file has been deleted from the archive. But
I was still able to search and restore the deleted file from the HSM client
GUI!?! How the hack can that happen? Any Ideas? I'm totally confused... :-/

kind regards,
Stephan

2009/6/4 Bos, Karel 

> Did you ran expire inventory?
>
> Regards,
>
> Karel
>
> 
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I'm trying to set up HSM (TSM 5.5.2)  for our Windows fileserver. For
> testing purposes I've created a folder c:\temp\hsmtest and put a file
> into that folder. I set up a hsm job for that folder and ran it whicht
> worked as
> expected: The file has been moved into the tsm archive and has been
> replaced by a stub file. Retrieving the file also worked as expected.
> Next (after migrating the file into the archive again) I deleted the
> stubfile to test the reconsilliation (the archive copy groups "retain
> version" value is set to "nolimit"). I ran the reconsilliation via the
> HSM Client GUI, but after that the deleted file was still in the archive
> (is still listed when looking for it via the search & retrieve command
> in the GUI).
>
> Why is this so? What do I have to do to get rid of the deleted file in
> the archive?
>
> Thanks in advance for you help!
>
> kind regards,
> Stephan
>
>


Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems

2009-06-04 Thread Richard Sims

On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Hans Christian Riksheim wrote:


...
Frankly, I am a bit worried. I look at the bloat at Passport
Advantage(4GB download for reporting? Seriuos?) and it seems that
every
piece of s**t software that IBM has produced now is forced upon us.
Already TSM in itself has a steep learning curve with a lot of
different
"strange" concepts, but IBM obviously doesn't seem to think this is
enough in their ongoing effort to scare off potential customers. An
installation of 6.1 with reporting and administration on a small site
with for example a 2 drive, 40 slot library will require how many
servers? 3? One for TSM, one for admin and one for reporting?
...


Indeed.  I've been with the product since ADSM v.2, and have seen it
grow enormously.  Even having been part of that evolution, the growing
amount of complexity can be overwhelming.  We see customers writing in
having difficulty with even basic functionality in the product: Having
to additionally cope with LAN-Free, Library Manager/Client, encryption
key management, Fibre Channel fabric and other technologies to make
things work has to be daunting.  (And don't overlook inscrutable
licensing regimens.)  This certainly creates opportunities for
competitors offering streamlined, straightforward solutions to data
assurance needs.  Realization of this may be why IBM acquired the
targeted B/R product Fastback from FilesX last year.

The TSM product is obviously trying to accommodate all the latest
technologies out there so as to meet all needs.  The difficulty in
trying to do that is that the result can be a huge monolith of a
product with such intertwined development requirements that
implementing seemingly simple new features can entail an inordinate
amount of time and coordination.  The danger in that approach is in
ending up with a massive composite like Microsoft did with Windows,
with its Longhorn/Vista development debacle.  I'd instead go for a
more modular approach, where customers can acquire and plug in what
they really need, toward more efficient, focused solutions to their
needs.  This would make for more streamlined, timely development, and
new releases that customers eagerly embrace rather than recoil from in
fear.

Richard Sims


Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems

2009-06-04 Thread Strand, Neil B.
Grigori,
   If deduplication is your driving force, you really need to evaluate
if a VTL or NAS appliance may be a better solution for your environment.
There are several out there and some have evolved to provide primary
storage dedup.

   I agree that the massive increase in resources is troubling but,
compare current hardware with what was available when TSM V4 first came
out.  TSM is not for small environments - it is an enterprise solution
which requires enterprise resources.  The evolution to DB2 was
desprately needed not only to help contain TSM server sprawl but to also
allow more resources to be dedicated to improving TSM functionality
rather than maintaining the old TSM database.
   I currently have 16 AIX TSM servers in 2 locations and am planning to
consolidate to between 4 and 8 servers each having a bit more hardware
than the current servers.  I will be able to do this because the
database will be stable above 500GB.  I realize that backups will take a
bit of time but hopefully IBM will implement parallel backup processing
and I will be able to backup a 1+TB TSM DB in less than 2 hours and
restore it in less than 5.

Del Hoobler,
  If you have some input to TSM evolution, please consider a command
line switch or server setting which would allow multiple parallel backup
and restore processes for the database - similar to what can be done in
IBMs Data Warehouse environment.


Cheers,
Neil Strand
Storage Engineer - Legg Mason
Baltimore, MD.
(410) 580-7491
Whatever you can do or believe you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power and magic.


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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
Grigori Solonovitch
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:08 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems

I have found next disadvantages in TSM 6.1:

1) installation is much more complicated. I think this is coming
together with DB2. I was not able to install TSM 6.1 in manual mode. I
have used GUI assistant to complete all tasks. In my opinion, it is not
good, because I am not a beginner in TSM (10 years!);

2) TSM 6.1 requires much more disk resources. Database is much bigger
(not only +40% declared in documentation). Using de-duplication +
reclamation produces 2-3 times more logs.
In addition, new requirements came for archived logs. Usually archived
logs are bigger than logs. There is automatic cleaning procedure for
archived logs, which requires 2 or 3 full backups of database. As a
result, archived logs are kept at least for 3 days in case of using full
backup for database every day. Just imagine if you are using weekly full
backup for database!!!???. Note I did not use mirroring for logs and
archived logs. With mirroring it will be full crash at all from disk
space requirements;

3) TSM 6.1 requires much more CPU and memory resources than TSM 5.5 and
not only for de-duplication. During testing I am running backups and
copies without de-duplication (numpr=0) and than de-duplication +
reclamation after completion of backups and copies.
In addition to dsmserv process there is db2sync process which is usually
much heavier than dsmserv;

4) I have found very strange TSM behavior during some commands like
"delete volume ... discarddata=yes". Command reports successful
completion, but process is still running with heavy load from db2sync. I
am not sure, but it can be a bug.

I hope this information will be interesting for TSM admins. I will
deeply appreciate any kind of information (good or bad) about TSM 6.1.X.
It looks, we need to implement TSM 6.1 because of de-duplication

Grigori G. Solonovitch

Senior Technical Architect

Information Technology  Bank of Kuwait and Middle East
http://www.bkme.com

Phone: (+965) 2231-2274  Mobile: (+965) 99798073  E-Mail:
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Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:59 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems

Definitely wait for 6.1.2 or a possible 6.1.1.1 release I have been
"promised" to address a problem that was possibly introduced in 6.1.1.

I agree - way too unstable for production.  Watch out for the hidden
storage/disk requirements plus the need for 3-FULL DB backups before it
purges archived transaction logs!



From:
Grigori Solonovitch 
To:
ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:
06/03/2009 09:47 AM
Subject:
Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" 



You are completely right. It is much more difficult to install TSM 6.1
in comparison with any previous version. Upgrade is going to be very
painful and long as well.
I have installed TSM 6.1 under AIX 5.3 - it is very unstable.
I have upgraded to TSM 6.1.1 - it looks a little bit better.
I am testing 6.1.1 now, but I am going to wait for TSM 6.1.2 before
production upgrade.

Mik

Re: TSM for Oracle

2009-06-04 Thread David E Ehresman
I understand that rman CAN automatically delete old backups.  As a TSM Admin, I 
am being asked to verify that rman IS deleting old backups.  Is there any way 
to verify such from the TSM side?

David

>>> Grigori Solonovitch  6/4/2009 1:42 AM >>>
I am using RMAN 9i/10g with TSM 5.5 successfully.
RMAN manages data expiry for Oracle databases completely without any manual 
intervention, but some configuration efforts are required:
1) dedicated TSM node for Oracle data with management class and copy group;
2)  set vere=no limit, verd=0 rete= ret=0 in copy group, where  is a 
period of time in days to be able to recover database (I am using 31 day);
3) for each database set retention period in RMAN by
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF  DAYS, where  equal to 
 in copy group;
4) run full database backup periodically. I am running full database backup 
twice per month with retention period 31 days. All other days run incremental 
backup for database;
5) perform " delete noprompt obsolete" from RMAN backup script;
6) schedule at proper time "crosscheck backup" + "delete noprompt expired 
backup" + "delete noprompt obsolete" daily for each database (just not to delay 
backups);
7) schedule "crosscheck archivelog all" + "delete noprompt expired archivelog 
all" daily for each database (just not to delay backups)

Grigori G. Solonovitch

Senior Technical Architect

Information Technology  Bank of Kuwait and Middle East  http://www.bkme.com 

Phone: (+965) 2231-2274  Mobile: (+965) 99798073  E-Mail: 
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Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM for 
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Re: TSM for Oracle

2009-06-04 Thread Neil Rasmussen
Hi David,

>From the TSM Side you can run 'tdposync' utility that is included with the
DP Oracle installation. This will run a comparison between the RMAN
catalog and TSM Server showing orphaned backups left on the TSM Server.
This utility also provides the ability to delete these orphaned backups.
Before using this utility, you should really take the opportunity to read
the User's Guide and understand the implications of running such utility
as the deletions from TSM are final.


Regards,

Neil Rasmussen
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
IBM Corporation
Almaden Research Center
650 Harry Road
rasmu...@us.ibm.com



From:
David E Ehresman 
To:
ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:
06/04/2009 07:14 AM
Subject:
Re: TSM for Oracle
Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" 



I understand that rman CAN automatically delete old backups.  As a TSM
Admin, I am being asked to verify that rman IS deleting old backups.  Is
there any way to verify such from the TSM side?

David

>>> Grigori Solonovitch  6/4/2009 1:42 AM >>>
I am using RMAN 9i/10g with TSM 5.5 successfully.
RMAN manages data expiry for Oracle databases completely without any
manual intervention, but some configuration efforts are required:
1) dedicated TSM node for Oracle data with management class and copy
group;
2)  set vere=no limit, verd=0 rete= ret=0 in copy group, where  is a
period of time in days to be able to recover database (I am using 31 day);
3) for each database set retention period in RMAN by
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF  DAYS, where  equal
to  in copy group;
4) run full database backup periodically. I am running full database
backup twice per month with retention period 31 days. All other days run
incremental backup for database;
5) perform " delete noprompt obsolete" from RMAN backup script;
6) schedule at proper time "crosscheck backup" + "delete noprompt expired
backup" + "delete noprompt obsolete" daily for each database (just not to
delay backups);
7) schedule "crosscheck archivelog all" + "delete noprompt expired
archivelog all" daily for each database (just not to delay backups)

Grigori G. Solonovitch

Senior Technical Architect

Information Technology  Bank of Kuwait and Middle East
http://www.bkme.com

Phone: (+965) 2231-2274  Mobile: (+965) 99798073  E-Mail:
g.solonovi...@bkme.com

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Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM
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David

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Re: TSM for Oracle

2009-06-04 Thread James Choate
Do you have to use the RMAN catalog, or can I use 'tdposync' against the 
control files?

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Neil 
Rasmussen
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:02 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: TSM for Oracle

Hi David,

>From the TSM Side you can run 'tdposync' utility that is included with the
DP Oracle installation. This will run a comparison between the RMAN
catalog and TSM Server showing orphaned backups left on the TSM Server.
This utility also provides the ability to delete these orphaned backups.
Before using this utility, you should really take the opportunity to read
the User's Guide and understand the implications of running such utility
as the deletions from TSM are final.


Regards,

Neil Rasmussen
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
IBM Corporation
Almaden Research Center
650 Harry Road
rasmu...@us.ibm.com



From:
David E Ehresman 
To:
ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:
06/04/2009 07:14 AM
Subject:
Re: TSM for Oracle
Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" 



I understand that rman CAN automatically delete old backups.  As a TSM
Admin, I am being asked to verify that rman IS deleting old backups.  Is
there any way to verify such from the TSM side?

David

>>> Grigori Solonovitch  6/4/2009 1:42 AM >>>
I am using RMAN 9i/10g with TSM 5.5 successfully.
RMAN manages data expiry for Oracle databases completely without any
manual intervention, but some configuration efforts are required:
1) dedicated TSM node for Oracle data with management class and copy
group;
2)  set vere=no limit, verd=0 rete= ret=0 in copy group, where  is a
period of time in days to be able to recover database (I am using 31 day);
3) for each database set retention period in RMAN by
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF  DAYS, where  equal
to  in copy group;
4) run full database backup periodically. I am running full database
backup twice per month with retention period 31 days. All other days run
incremental backup for database;
5) perform " delete noprompt obsolete" from RMAN backup script;
6) schedule at proper time "crosscheck backup" + "delete noprompt expired
backup" + "delete noprompt obsolete" daily for each database (just not to
delay backups);
7) schedule "crosscheck archivelog all" + "delete noprompt expired
archivelog all" daily for each database (just not to delay backups)

Grigori G. Solonovitch

Senior Technical Architect

Information Technology  Bank of Kuwait and Middle East
http://www.bkme.com

Phone: (+965) 2231-2274  Mobile: (+965) 99798073  E-Mail:
g.solonovi...@bkme.com

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Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM
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David

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Re: TSM for Oracle

2009-06-04 Thread PAC Brion Arnaud
David,

I suggest you to use the hidden "show version" command on your server, that 
will allow to list the contents of backed up data on the server. 
Just issue : "show version   nametype=fsid" with =node_name and 
=filespace_FSID
This is my favorite method !
Cheers.

Arnaud


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E Ehresman
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 16:10
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: TSM for Oracle

I understand that rman CAN automatically delete old backups.  As a TSM Admin, I 
am being asked to verify that rman IS deleting old backups.  Is there any way 
to verify such from the TSM side?

David

>>> Grigori Solonovitch  6/4/2009 1:42 AM >>>
I am using RMAN 9i/10g with TSM 5.5 successfully.
RMAN manages data expiry for Oracle databases completely without any manual 
intervention, but some configuration efforts are required:
1) dedicated TSM node for Oracle data with management class and copy group;
2)  set vere=no limit, verd=0 rete= ret=0 in copy group, where  is a 
period of time in days to be able to recover database (I am using 31 day);
3) for each database set retention period in RMAN by CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY 
TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF  DAYS, where  equal to  in copy group;
4) run full database backup periodically. I am running full database backup 
twice per month with retention period 31 days. All other days run incremental 
backup for database;
5) perform " delete noprompt obsolete" from RMAN backup script;
6) schedule at proper time "crosscheck backup" + "delete noprompt expired 
backup" + "delete noprompt obsolete" daily for each database (just not to delay 
backups);
7) schedule "crosscheck archivelog all" + "delete noprompt expired archivelog 
all" daily for each database (just not to delay backups)

Grigori G. Solonovitch

Senior Technical Architect

Information Technology  Bank of Kuwait and Middle East  http://www.bkme.com

Phone: (+965) 2231-2274  Mobile: (+965) 99798073  E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com

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Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM for Oracle

Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM for 
Oracle backups?

David

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Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean
Hi Grigori and Arnaud,

For someone that has been using TSM from version 5.2 or familiar with TSM we 
can say "that ...". How about to convince new customers that the "old thing" 
better that the "new one". They prefer use things new (up-to-date) and get 
satisfied with what they have bought.

BR,

Martin

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Grigori Solonovitch
Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:58
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

I agreed completely with "that .".  I have tried to use ISC a few times 
with no success.
I was using TSM WEB Interface 5.2, which was announced by IBM as a temporary 
solution for TSM 5.3, with TSM 5.4 and TSM 5.5 successfully. I addition, I am 
using command line interface dsmadmc.
I wonder, is there any possibility to install TSM WEB Interface 5.2 with TSM 
6.1 or not?


Grigori G. Solonovitch

Senior Technical Architect

Information Technology  Bank of Kuwait and Middle East  http://www.bkme.com

Phone: (+965) 2231-2274  Mobile: (+965) 99798073  E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com

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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of PAC 
Brion Arnaud
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:49 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

>> Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web
Admin.

Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still
wondering who uses that ... thing.

Cheers.

Arnaud



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Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC
is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin.

BR,

Martin

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Remco Post
Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated
> Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add
> Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration.
>

Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when
all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the
cli to register storage agents.

>
> BR,
>
> Martin

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Re: TSM for Oracle

2009-06-04 Thread Jorge Amil
Hi everybody.

 

Try this select

 

select NODE_NAME, DATE(BACKUP_DATE)as fecha, FILESPACE_NAME, HL_NAME, LL_NAME, 
CLASS_NAME from backups where NODE_NAME='XXX' and FILESPACE_NAME='' 
order by fecha asc

 

It will display the filespace backup date.

 

Kind Regards

 

JOrge
 
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:10:16 -0400
> From: deehr...@louisville.edu
> Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM for Oracle
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> 
> I understand that rman CAN automatically delete old backups. As a TSM Admin, 
> I am being asked to verify that rman IS deleting old backups. Is there any 
> way to verify such from the TSM side?
> 
> David
> 
> >>> Grigori Solonovitch  6/4/2009 1:42 AM >>>
> I am using RMAN 9i/10g with TSM 5.5 successfully.
> RMAN manages data expiry for Oracle databases completely without any manual 
> intervention, but some configuration efforts are required:
> 1) dedicated TSM node for Oracle data with management class and copy group;
> 2) set vere=no limit, verd=0 rete= ret=0 in copy group, where  is a 
> period of time in days to be able to recover database (I am using 31 day);
> 3) for each database set retention period in RMAN by
> CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF  DAYS, where  equal to 
>  in copy group;
> 4) run full database backup periodically. I am running full database backup 
> twice per month with retention period 31 days. All other days run incremental 
> backup for database;
> 5) perform " delete noprompt obsolete" from RMAN backup script;
> 6) schedule at proper time "crosscheck backup" + "delete noprompt expired 
> backup" + "delete noprompt obsolete" daily for each database (just not to 
> delay backups);
> 7) schedule "crosscheck archivelog all" + "delete noprompt expired archivelog 
> all" daily for each database (just not to delay backups)
> 
> Grigori G. Solonovitch
> 
> Senior Technical Architect
> 
> Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com 
> 
> Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: 
> g.solonovi...@bkme.com 
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this Email
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> David E Ehresman
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:59 PM
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 
> Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM for Oracle
> 
> Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM 
> for Oracle backups?
> 
> David
> 
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Re: HSM reconcilliation (Windows-Client)

2009-06-04 Thread Stephan Boldt
Hminteresting. I found out, that this behaviour only occurrs when the
delete file is still in the trashbin. Well that's great but I didn't expect
that! Does that mean you can move migrated files without restoring them?
Does that even work across different drives?

Kind regards,
Stephan

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Stephan Boldt <
stephan.boldt+ads...@gmail.com > wrote:

> Well, I didn't. NOW I did and 1 file has been deleted from the archive. But
> I was still able to search and restore the deleted file from the HSM client
> GUI!?! How the hack can that happen? Any Ideas? I'm totally confused... :-/
>
> kind regards,
> Stephan
>
> 2009/6/4 Bos, Karel 
>
> Did you ran expire inventory?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Karel
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I'm trying to set up HSM (TSM 5.5.2)  for our Windows fileserver. For
>> testing purposes I've created a folder c:\temp\hsmtest and put a file
>> into that folder. I set up a hsm job for that folder and ran it whicht
>> worked as
>> expected: The file has been moved into the tsm archive and has been
>> replaced by a stub file. Retrieving the file also worked as expected.
>> Next (after migrating the file into the archive again) I deleted the
>> stubfile to test the reconsilliation (the archive copy groups "retain
>> version" value is set to "nolimit"). I ran the reconsilliation via the
>> HSM Client GUI, but after that the deleted file was still in the archive
>> (is still listed when looking for it via the search & retrieve command
>> in the GUI).
>>
>> Why is this so? What do I have to do to get rid of the deleted file in
>> the archive?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for you help!
>>
>> kind regards,
>> Stephan
>>
>>
>


Explorer hangs when opening properties dialog of HSM migrated *.exe files

2009-06-04 Thread Stephan Boldt
Hello everybody,

durig my HSM tests I ran into the problem, that every time I try to open the
properties dialog of migrated *.exe files, the explorer hangs. I even
disabled the McAfee 8.5i services but the problem remains. Other filetypes
I've tried  (e.g. *.ISO) don't cause this issue.

I can't even reboot the server properly because it hangs during shutdown.
Any idea what could be tha cause of this behaviour or how to trace it? TSM
Backup and Archive Client is 6.1, HSM Client is 5.5.2.0, TSM Server is
5.5.1.1.

kind regards,
Stephan


Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread Lindsay Morris

The ISC experts say that it's a lot better as of 6.1: better workflow,
smaller footprint.  So if you've gotten a bad impression in the past,
try to keep an open mind.

Or are your complaints about the version bundled with 6.1?


Lindsay Morris
Principal
TSMworks, Inc.
1-919-403-8260
www.tsmworks.com

On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean 
 wrote:


Hi Grigori and Arnaud,

For someone that has been using TSM from version 5.2 or familiar
with TSM we can say "that ...". How about to convince new customers
that the "old thing" better that the "new one". They prefer use
things new (up-to-date) and get satisfied with what they have bought.

BR,

Martin

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On
Behalf Of Grigori Solonovitch
Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:58
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

I agreed completely with "that .".  I have tried to use ISC a
few times with no success.
I was using TSM WEB Interface 5.2, which was announced by IBM as a
temporary solution for TSM 5.3, with TSM 5.4 and TSM 5.5
successfully. I addition, I am using command line interface dsmadmc.
I wonder, is there any possibility to install TSM WEB Interface 5.2
with TSM 6.1 or not?


Grigori G. Solonovitch

Senior Technical Architect

Information Technology  Bank of Kuwait and Middle East  http://www.bkme.com

Phone: (+965) 2231-2274  Mobile: (+965) 99798073  E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com

Please consider the environment before printing this Email


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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On
Behalf Of PAC Brion Arnaud
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:49 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC


Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web

Admin.

Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still
wondering who uses that ... thing.

Cheers.

Arnaud


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Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39
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Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this
ISC
is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin.

BR,

Martin

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Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote:


Hi All,

Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated
Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add
Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration.



Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when
all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the
cli to register storage agents.



BR,

Martin


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Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread Remco Post

On 4 jun 2009, at 19:31, Lindsay Morris wrote:


The ISC experts say that it's a lot better as of 6.1: better workflow,
smaller footprint.  So if you've gotten a bad impression in the past,
try to keep an open mind.


I must agree with Lindsay on this. The most recent ISC, as it comes
with TSM 6.1 is so much better than the very first version. I managed
to install it in minutes on my way underpowered OpenSUSE VM. I've
never been a fan of the Webconsole, never been able to find anything,
and well, ISC is just as bad :) Really, I prefer the CLI, but when
using a GUI, ISC is nothing better than the old webgui...

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Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread Lindsay Morris

Right, GUI doesn't thrill us command-line bigots, does it?

Servergraph has web-based management of TSM where you can see what
commands it's issuing behind the scenes. Best of both worlds IMHO.

(Don't flame me, I no longer work for Servergraph. Thanks.)


Lindsay Morris
Principal
TSMworks, Inc.
1-919-403-8260
www.tsmworks.com

On Jun 4, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Remco Post  wrote:


On 4 jun 2009, at 19:31, Lindsay Morris wrote:


The ISC experts say that it's a lot better as of 6.1: better
workflow,
smaller footprint.  So if you've gotten a bad impression in the past,
try to keep an open mind.


I must agree with Lindsay on this. The most recent ISC, as it comes
with TSM 6.1 is so much better than the very first version. I managed
to install it in minutes on my way underpowered OpenSUSE VM. I've
never been a fan of the Webconsole, never been able to find anything,
and well, ISC is just as bad :) Really, I prefer the CLI, but when
using a GUI, ISC is nothing better than the old webgui...

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Re: TSM 6.1 DB Backups

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Paschal
Hi, Steve.

Don't hang up the TSM hat yet.  I'll bet one dbbackup to tape and two to
disk would resolve that issue.  Or heck, do all three to disk and xfer
one offsite via network (ftp, rsync, something) and you can save that
last dbbackup tape as well.


Alex Paschal
Storage Solutions Engineer
MSI Systems Integrators
(503) 943-6919 - Office


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I've looked at the doc, and it doesn't explicitly say one way or the
other - Does each DB backup still require a separate tape?

If so this has significant ramifications for sites with small libraries
or  ones close to capacity.
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Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems

2009-06-04 Thread Clark, Robert A
Hey you kids, get off my yard! 

It seems that many of us have a parental relationship with the product.
In any other case, we would likely have severed the connection some time
ago. 

Clearly the product is facing a challenge with its peers and up and
comers, and needs to show ongoing improvement and increased value.
 Or to put it another way "we choose to " ... rebuild TSM on
DB2 ... " in this decade and do the other things, not because they are
easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to
organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that
challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to
postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

Short of unbundling an NSM, this is easily the biggest challenge I've
seen TSM admins (myself included)face. Sometimes I have hope that the
nascent third-party helper applications will offer some help, but some
of them aren't even ready for the transition to 6.x.

This list makes a positive impact, by surfacing obscure tecnical
knowledge, and disabusing people of their preconceived notions. It may
be time for Tivoli/IBM to put some liasons in place, and offer people a
hand as they make this difficult transition.

[RC]

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Richard Sims
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:18 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems

On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Hans Christian Riksheim wrote:

> ...
> Frankly, I am a bit worried. I look at the bloat at Passport 
> Advantage(4GB download for reporting? Seriuos?) and it seems that 
> every piece of s**t software that IBM has produced now is forced upon 
> us.
> Already TSM in itself has a steep learning curve with a lot of 
> different "strange" concepts, but IBM obviously doesn't seem to think 
> this is enough in their ongoing effort to scare off potential 
> customers. An installation of 6.1 with reporting and administration on

> a small site with for example a 2 drive, 40 slot library will require 
> how many servers? 3? One for TSM, one for admin and one for reporting?
> ...

Indeed.  I've been with the product since ADSM v.2, and have seen it
grow enormously.  Even having been part of that evolution, the growing
amount of complexity can be overwhelming.  We see customers writing in
having difficulty with even basic functionality in the product: Having
to additionally cope with LAN-Free, Library Manager/Client, encryption
key management, Fibre Channel fabric and other technologies to make
things work has to be daunting.  (And don't overlook inscrutable
licensing regimens.)  This certainly creates opportunities for
competitors offering streamlined, straightforward solutions to data
assurance needs.  Realization of this may be why IBM acquired the
targeted B/R product Fastback from FilesX last year.

The TSM product is obviously trying to accommodate all the latest
technologies out there so as to meet all needs.  The difficulty in
trying to do that is that the result can be a huge monolith of a product
with such intertwined development requirements that implementing
seemingly simple new features can entail an inordinate amount of time
and coordination.  The danger in that approach is in ending up with a
massive composite like Microsoft did with Windows, with its
Longhorn/Vista development debacle.  I'd instead go for a more modular
approach, where customers can acquire and plug in what they really need,
toward more efficient, focused solutions to their needs.  This would
make for more streamlined, timely development, and new releases that
customers eagerly embrace rather than recoil from in fear.

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Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread Carol Trible
Hi,
  I'm not sure this is what you want, but go to Policy Domains,select  the
sever containing the node you want do do a lan free backup for, select the
domain that node is assigned to, open the client node twistie, select the
node, and the table action Enable LAN-Free data Movement - this wizard has
an option to add a storage agent as you setup the node.
  You can find the documentation for this in the help system  this by
clicking on the Help link on the top of the page, and doing a search on
Storage Agent, and selecting the entry Enabling Lan free data movement.

Carol Trible
 IBM Tivoli Storage Manager Development



sabar.hasiho...@metrodata.co.id



Hi All,

Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated Solution
Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add Storage Agent.
Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration.


BR,

Martin


Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread PAC Brion Arnaud
>> and get satisfied with what they have bought

Martin,

This is exactly the point ! Are you satisfied with the ISC /AC combination so 
far ? If yes, I'm very happy for you, but
from my readings of this list, lots of users are not, and so am I.
I really would like to hear why IBM decided to drop a CPU and storage 
inexpensive / ergonomic /fast /readable interface for the new one.
I may be paranoid, but I believe they had a very good reason for such a change 
: selling more hardware !

Cheers.

Arnaud


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Martin Hasiholan Panggabean
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 18:06
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

Hi Grigori and Arnaud,

For someone that has been using TSM from version 5.2 or familiar with TSM we 
can say "that ...". How about to convince new customers that the "old thing" 
better that the "new one". They prefer use things new (up-to-date) and get 
satisfied with what they have bought.

BR,

Martin

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Grigori Solonovitch
Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:58
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Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

I agreed completely with "that .".  I have tried to use ISC a few times 
with no success.
I was using TSM WEB Interface 5.2, which was announced by IBM as a temporary 
solution for TSM 5.3, with TSM 5.4 and TSM 5.5 successfully. I addition, I am 
using command line interface dsmadmc.
I wonder, is there any possibility to install TSM WEB Interface 5.2 with TSM 
6.1 or not?


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Brion Arnaud
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

>> Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web
Admin.

Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still wondering 
who uses that ... thing.

Cheers.

Arnaud



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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sabar 
Martin Hasiholan Panggabean
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC is as 
just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin.

BR,

Martin

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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco 
Post
Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated
> Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add
> Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration.
>

Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when all other 
options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the cli to register 
storage agents.

>
> BR,
>
> Martin

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Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC

2009-06-04 Thread Remco Post

Arnaud,


This is exactly the point ! Are you satisfied with the ISC /AC
combination so far ? If yes, I'm very happy for you, but
from my readings of this list, lots of users are not, and so am I.
I really would like to hear why IBM decided to drop a CPU and
storage inexpensive / ergonomic /fast /readable interface for the
new one.
I may be paranoid, but I believe they had a very good reason for
such a change : selling more hardware !



The most recent version of the ISC really is a lot less heavy than
previous versions. In that respect I truly believe that IBM listen to
our complaints. It's even fast. I really urge you to experience it. I
installed it on a VM on my laptop (isn't vmware fusion great? :)) in 5
minutes.

As for the ergonomics, yes the workings of the new thing are different
from the old thing. Have they become worse? Well, I don't think so. I
like the CLI best of all, always have and alway will, but if I had to
chose a GUI, well, the ISC is just as good as the old thing... it just
provides an interface to everything added to TSM in the last 4
releases ;-)
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