Re: TDP for Exchnage 6.1 mailbox restore
TDP for Exchange version 6.1 should be able to restore only selected items from a full mailstore backup into your RSG. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it had to retrieve all data from the TSM server in order to be able to leave out the undesired data. It's not the TSM server that does the filtering, it's the TDP on the client. So if you had to restore 1 single mail item from a 1TB mailstore, yes that would mean transferring 1TB of data, just to restore one single item. Now, if that is not what you want, look into FastBack for exchange. That works in a completely different way, and is able to recover Exchange much faster, but then again, it stores all backup data on disk -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Nicholas Rodolfich Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:18 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] TDP for Exchnage 6.1 mailbox restore Hello All, Thanks for your help. I am implementing the TDP for Exchange. We have it installed and did a manual backup successfully. When we try to reetore a mailbox, it forces us to use a Recovery Storage Group in Exchange as the target. We chose a specific email in the filter section and were expecting a restre of what we were searching for. Instead, the restore seems to be building a whole new database, It wa sup to 14GB when we stopped it. It seem like nonsense to restore the whole storage group just to restore a single mail box. Is this required. -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post
TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
Hi All, Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. BR, Martin
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote: Hi All, Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the cli to register storage agents. BR, Martin -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote: > Hi All, > > Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated > Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to > add Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. > Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the cli to register storage agents. > > BR, > > Martin -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
>> Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still wondering who uses that ... thing. Cheers. Arnaud ** Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland, CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01 Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78 e-mail: arnaud.br...@panalpina.com ** -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote: > Hi All, > > Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated > Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add > Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. > Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the cli to register storage agents. > > BR, > > Martin -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
I agreed completely with "that .". I have tried to use ISC a few times with no success. I was using TSM WEB Interface 5.2, which was announced by IBM as a temporary solution for TSM 5.3, with TSM 5.4 and TSM 5.5 successfully. I addition, I am using command line interface dsmadmc. I wonder, is there any possibility to install TSM WEB Interface 5.2 with TSM 6.1 or not? Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of PAC Brion Arnaud Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:49 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC >> Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still wondering who uses that ... thing. Cheers. Arnaud ** Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland, CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01 Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78 e-mail: arnaud.br...@panalpina.com ** -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote: > Hi All, > > Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated > Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add > Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. > Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the cli to register storage agents. > > BR, > > Martin -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00 Please consider the environment before printing this Email. "This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME."
HSM reconcilliation (Windows-Client)
Hello everybody, I'm trying to set up HSM (TSM 5.5.2) for our Windows fileserver. For testing purposes I've created a folder c:\temp\hsmtest and put a file into that folder. I set up a hsm job for that folder and ran it whicht worked as expected: The file has been moved into the tsm archive and has been replaced by a stub file. Retrieving the file also worked as expected. Next (after migrating the file into the archive again) I deleted the stubfile to test the reconsilliation (the archive copy groups "retain version" value is set to "nolimit"). I ran the reconsilliation via the HSM Client GUI, but after that the deleted file was still in the archive (is still listed when looking for it via the search & retrieve command in the GUI). Why is this so? What do I have to do to get rid of the deleted file in the archive? Thanks in advance for you help! kind regards, Stephan
Re: HSM reconcilliation (Windows-Client)
Did you ran expire inventory? Regards, Karel Hello everybody, I'm trying to set up HSM (TSM 5.5.2) for our Windows fileserver. For testing purposes I've created a folder c:\temp\hsmtest and put a file into that folder. I set up a hsm job for that folder and ran it whicht worked as expected: The file has been moved into the tsm archive and has been replaced by a stub file. Retrieving the file also worked as expected. Next (after migrating the file into the archive again) I deleted the stubfile to test the reconsilliation (the archive copy groups "retain version" value is set to "nolimit"). I ran the reconsilliation via the HSM Client GUI, but after that the deleted file was still in the archive (is still listed when looking for it via the search & retrieve command in the GUI). Why is this so? What do I have to do to get rid of the deleted file in the archive? Thanks in advance for you help! kind regards, Stephan ÿþD i t b e r i c h t i s v e r t r o u w e l i j k e n k a n g e h e i m e i n f o r m a t i e b e v a t t e n e n k e l b e s t e m d v o o r d e g e a d r e s s e e r d e . I n d i e n d i t b e r i c h t n i e t v o o r u i s b e s t e m d , v e r z o e k e n w i j u d i t o n m i d d e l l i j k a a n o n s t e m e l d e n e n h e t b e r i c h t t e v e r n i e t i g e n . A a n g e z i e n d e i n t e g r i t e i t v a n h e t b e r i c h t n i e t v e i l i g g e s t e l d i s m i d d e l s v e r z e n d i n g v i a i n t e r n e t , k a n A t o s O r i g i n n i e t a a n s p r a k e l i j k w o r d e n g e h o u d e n v o o r d e i n h o u d d a a r v a n . H o e w e l w i j o n s i n s p a n n e n e e n v i r u s v r i j n e t w e r k t e h a n t e r e n , g e v e n w i j g e e n e n k e l e g a r a n t i e d a t d i t b e r i c h t v i r u s v r i j i s , n o c h a a n v a a r d e n w i j e n i g e a a n s p r a k e l i j k h e i d v o o r d e m o g e l i j k e a a n w e z i g h e i d v a n e e n v i r u s i n d i t b e r i c h t . O p a l o n z e r e c h t s v e r h o u d i n g e n , a a n b i e d i n g e n e n o v e r e e n k o m s t e n w a a r o n d e r A t o s O r i g i n g o e d e r e n e n / o f d i e n s t e n l e v e r t z i j n m e t u i t s l u i t i n g v a n a l l e a n d e r e v o o r w a a r d e n d e L e v e r i n g s v o o r w a a r d e n v a n A t o s O r i g i n v a n t o e p a s s i n g . D e z e w o r d e n u o p a a n v r a a g d i r e c t k o s t e l o o s t o e g e z o n d e n . T h i s e - m a i l a n d t h e d o c u m e n t s a t t a c h e d a r e c o n f i d e n t i a l a n d i n t e n d e d s o l e l y f o r t h e a d d r e s s e e ; i t m a y a l s o b e p r i v i l e g e d . I f y o u r e c e i v e t h i s e - m a i l i n e r r o r , p l e a s e n o t i f y t h e s e n d e r i m m e d i a t e l y a n d d e s t r o y i t . A s i t s i n t e g r i t y c a n n o t b e s e c u r e d o n t h e I n t e r n e t , t h e A t o s O r i g i n g r o u p l i a b i l i t y c a n n o t b e t r i g g e r e d f o r t h e m e s s a g e c o n t e n t . A l t h o u g h t h e s e n d e r e n d e a v o u r s t o m a i n t a i n a c o m p u t e r v i r u s - f r e e n e t w o r k , t h e s e n d e r d o e s n o t w a r r a n t t h a t t h i s t r a n s m i s s i o n i s v i r u s - f r e e a n d w i l l n o t b e l i a b l e f o r a n y d a m a g e s r e s u l t i n g f r o m a n y v i r u s t r a n s m i t t e d . O n a l l o f f e r s a n d a g r e e m e n t s u n d e r w h i c h A t o s O r i g i n s u p p l i e s g o o d s a n d / o r s e r v i c e s o f w h a t e v e r n a t u r e , t h e T e r m s o f D e l i v e r y f r o m A t o s O r i g i n e x c l u s i v e l y a p p l y . T h e T e r m s o f D e l i v e r y s h a l l b e p r o m p t l y s u b m i t t e d t o y o u o n y o u r r e q u e s t . A t o s O r i g i n N e d e r l a n d B . V . / U t r e c h t K v K U t r e c h t 3 0 1 3 2 7 6 2
Re: TDP for Exchnage 6.1 mailbox restore
IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for Mail supports automated Individual Mailbox Restore starting with Data Protection for Exchange version 6.1. For example, the command to restore a mailbox could look like this: TDPEXCC RESTOREMAILBOX hoobler The technique that Data Protection for Exchange uses to perform Individual Mailbox Restore is through the Recovery Storage Group. It restores the Exchange database containing the selected mailbox/item into the Recovery Storage Group and then extracts the selected data from the RSG. It does all of this in an automated fashion starting with version 6.1 This does not require additional backup streams nor brick-level backups. It can restore data from any legacy or VSS TSM backup (for VSS, Exchange 2007 and later), and even from backups created with prior versions of Data Protection for Exchange. The technique that Data Protection for Exchange uses does require a restore of the full database file. Microsoft does not support "mailbox" or "item" level extracts from full database backups. The algorithm follows all Microsoft specifications and uses only approved APIs for all operations. The process is as follows: 1. User identifies the mailbox(es) and/or mail items to restore using the GUI or CLI to narrow the restore to the desired objects. 2. Data Protection for Exchange determines which TSM backups will contain the desired objects by using a combination of the mailbox history and Active Directory. 3. Data Protection for Exchange creates a Recovery Storage Group required for proper restore of the selected objects. (Note: On Exchange 2003, the user must create this manually, since Microsoft does not provide an API to do this in an automated fashion.) 4. Data Protection for Exchange restores the necessary backup(s) into the Recovery Storage Group. 5. Data Protection for Exchange extracts the selected items from the Recovery Storage Group and places them into the desired target location (can either be a mailbox or a .PST file) 6. Data Protection for Exchange cleans up the Recovery Storage Group (Note: On Exchange 2003, the user must clean up manually, since Microsoft does not provide an API to do this in an automated fashion.) For more details and more examples, please see the User's Guide: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tsminfo/v6/index.jsp Look under: +Protecting applications +Protecting Microsoft Exchange Server data - Restoring individual mailbox and mailbox item-level data Note: There are different techniques that some vendors use that have advantages, but also carry disadvantages as well. For example, some use brick-level backups, and some open the .EDB files directly. Each algorithm has its pros and cons. The intent of this documentation is not to get into those details, but to explain the Data Protection for Exchange solution. Del Hoobler Tivoli Storage Manager Development IBM Corporation "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" wrote on 06/03/2009 06:18:04 PM: > > I am implementing the TDP for Exchange. We have it installed and did a > manual backup successfully. When we try to reetore a mailbox, it forces us > to use a Recovery Storage Group in Exchange as the target. We chose a > specific email in the filter section and were expecting a restre of what we > were searching for. Instead, the restore seems to be building a whole new > database, It wa sup to 14GB when we stopped it. It seem like nonsense to > restore the whole storage group just to restore a single mail box. Is this > required. > > > > Nicholas
Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems
Thanks for the pioneer work with 6.1! Myself and other free riders are in deep gratitude to those contributing to making version 6 stable and useful. When the dust settles in a year or so I too may choose to upgrade knowing that others have taken the risk of losing their data and personal sanity in making version 6 a success. Frankly, I am a bit worried. I look at the bloat at Passport Advantage(4GB download for reporting? Seriuos?) and it seems that every piece of s**t software that IBM has produced now is forced upon us. Already TSM in itself has a steep learning curve with a lot of different "strange" concepts, but IBM obviously doesn't seem to think this is enough in their ongoing effort to scare off potential customers. An installation of 6.1 with reporting and administration on a small site with for example a 2 drive, 40 slot library will require how many servers? 3? One for TSM, one for admin and one for reporting? Hope TSM don't end up as DB2, a database in use by IBM only shops. I apologize in advance for the negativity expressed above. Hans Chr. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:05 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems I could write a book. I have personally opened 4-apars and have tripped upon numerous other issues. As for the DB backups required to clear the transaction archive logs: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tsminfo/v6/topic/com.ibm.itsm.s rv.doc/c_archive_log_space.html This one caught me off guard. I was testing 6.1 by ex/importing a large node (which I am going to eventually move, in reality). With 40M objects to move, it blew out 350GB of my 450GB disk, in transaction archive logs. I was unaware (yeah, yeah.RTFM..) of the requirement for 3-FULL DB backups (I now schedule 3-FULL DB backups every day) per the document linked to, above. Speaking of the DB backups, currently, the majority of them end up with a timestamp of 2047/11/30, thus making a standard "del volhist" worthless (keep having to use FORCE to delete them). See IC61173. From: "Allen S. Rout" To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: 06/03/2009 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:58:50 -0400, Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU said: > I agree - way too unstable for production. Watch out for the hidden > storage/disk requirements plus the need for 3-FULL DB backups before > it purges archived transaction logs! More details, Zoltan? - Allen S. Rout This email originates from Steria AS, Biskop Gunnerus' gate 14a, N-0051 OSLO, http://www.steria.no. This email and any attachments may contain confidential/intellectual property/copyright information and is only for the use of the addressee(s). You are prohibited from copying, forwarding, disclosing, saving or otherwise using it in any way if you are not the addressee(s) or responsible for delivery. If you receive this email by mistake, please advise the sender and cancel it immediately. Steria may monitor the content of emails within its network to ensure compliance with its policies and procedures. Any email is susceptible to alteration and its integrity cannot be assured. Steria shall not be liable if the message is altered, modified, falsified, or even edited.
Re: HSM reconcilliation (Windows-Client)
Well, I didn't. NOW I did and 1 file has been deleted from the archive. But I was still able to search and restore the deleted file from the HSM client GUI!?! How the hack can that happen? Any Ideas? I'm totally confused... :-/ kind regards, Stephan 2009/6/4 Bos, Karel > Did you ran expire inventory? > > Regards, > > Karel > > > > Hello everybody, > > I'm trying to set up HSM (TSM 5.5.2) for our Windows fileserver. For > testing purposes I've created a folder c:\temp\hsmtest and put a file > into that folder. I set up a hsm job for that folder and ran it whicht > worked as > expected: The file has been moved into the tsm archive and has been > replaced by a stub file. Retrieving the file also worked as expected. > Next (after migrating the file into the archive again) I deleted the > stubfile to test the reconsilliation (the archive copy groups "retain > version" value is set to "nolimit"). I ran the reconsilliation via the > HSM Client GUI, but after that the deleted file was still in the archive > (is still listed when looking for it via the search & retrieve command > in the GUI). > > Why is this so? What do I have to do to get rid of the deleted file in > the archive? > > Thanks in advance for you help! > > kind regards, > Stephan > >
Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems
On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Hans Christian Riksheim wrote: ... Frankly, I am a bit worried. I look at the bloat at Passport Advantage(4GB download for reporting? Seriuos?) and it seems that every piece of s**t software that IBM has produced now is forced upon us. Already TSM in itself has a steep learning curve with a lot of different "strange" concepts, but IBM obviously doesn't seem to think this is enough in their ongoing effort to scare off potential customers. An installation of 6.1 with reporting and administration on a small site with for example a 2 drive, 40 slot library will require how many servers? 3? One for TSM, one for admin and one for reporting? ... Indeed. I've been with the product since ADSM v.2, and have seen it grow enormously. Even having been part of that evolution, the growing amount of complexity can be overwhelming. We see customers writing in having difficulty with even basic functionality in the product: Having to additionally cope with LAN-Free, Library Manager/Client, encryption key management, Fibre Channel fabric and other technologies to make things work has to be daunting. (And don't overlook inscrutable licensing regimens.) This certainly creates opportunities for competitors offering streamlined, straightforward solutions to data assurance needs. Realization of this may be why IBM acquired the targeted B/R product Fastback from FilesX last year. The TSM product is obviously trying to accommodate all the latest technologies out there so as to meet all needs. The difficulty in trying to do that is that the result can be a huge monolith of a product with such intertwined development requirements that implementing seemingly simple new features can entail an inordinate amount of time and coordination. The danger in that approach is in ending up with a massive composite like Microsoft did with Windows, with its Longhorn/Vista development debacle. I'd instead go for a more modular approach, where customers can acquire and plug in what they really need, toward more efficient, focused solutions to their needs. This would make for more streamlined, timely development, and new releases that customers eagerly embrace rather than recoil from in fear. Richard Sims
Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems
Grigori, If deduplication is your driving force, you really need to evaluate if a VTL or NAS appliance may be a better solution for your environment. There are several out there and some have evolved to provide primary storage dedup. I agree that the massive increase in resources is troubling but, compare current hardware with what was available when TSM V4 first came out. TSM is not for small environments - it is an enterprise solution which requires enterprise resources. The evolution to DB2 was desprately needed not only to help contain TSM server sprawl but to also allow more resources to be dedicated to improving TSM functionality rather than maintaining the old TSM database. I currently have 16 AIX TSM servers in 2 locations and am planning to consolidate to between 4 and 8 servers each having a bit more hardware than the current servers. I will be able to do this because the database will be stable above 500GB. I realize that backups will take a bit of time but hopefully IBM will implement parallel backup processing and I will be able to backup a 1+TB TSM DB in less than 2 hours and restore it in less than 5. Del Hoobler, If you have some input to TSM evolution, please consider a command line switch or server setting which would allow multiple parallel backup and restore processes for the database - similar to what can be done in IBMs Data Warehouse environment. Cheers, Neil Strand Storage Engineer - Legg Mason Baltimore, MD. (410) 580-7491 Whatever you can do or believe you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Grigori Solonovitch Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:08 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems I have found next disadvantages in TSM 6.1: 1) installation is much more complicated. I think this is coming together with DB2. I was not able to install TSM 6.1 in manual mode. I have used GUI assistant to complete all tasks. In my opinion, it is not good, because I am not a beginner in TSM (10 years!); 2) TSM 6.1 requires much more disk resources. Database is much bigger (not only +40% declared in documentation). Using de-duplication + reclamation produces 2-3 times more logs. In addition, new requirements came for archived logs. Usually archived logs are bigger than logs. There is automatic cleaning procedure for archived logs, which requires 2 or 3 full backups of database. As a result, archived logs are kept at least for 3 days in case of using full backup for database every day. Just imagine if you are using weekly full backup for database!!!???. Note I did not use mirroring for logs and archived logs. With mirroring it will be full crash at all from disk space requirements; 3) TSM 6.1 requires much more CPU and memory resources than TSM 5.5 and not only for de-duplication. During testing I am running backups and copies without de-duplication (numpr=0) and than de-duplication + reclamation after completion of backups and copies. In addition to dsmserv process there is db2sync process which is usually much heavier than dsmserv; 4) I have found very strange TSM behavior during some commands like "delete volume ... discarddata=yes". Command reports successful completion, but process is still running with heavy load from db2sync. I am not sure, but it can be a bug. I hope this information will be interesting for TSM admins. I will deeply appreciate any kind of information (good or bad) about TSM 6.1.X. It looks, we need to implement TSM 6.1 because of de-duplication Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:59 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems Definitely wait for 6.1.2 or a possible 6.1.1.1 release I have been "promised" to address a problem that was possibly introduced in 6.1.1. I agree - way too unstable for production. Watch out for the hidden storage/disk requirements plus the need for 3-FULL DB backups before it purges archived transaction logs! From: Grigori Solonovitch To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: 06/03/2009 09:47 AM Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" You are completely right. It is much more difficult to install TSM 6.1 in comparison with any previous version. Upgrade is going to be very painful and long as well. I have installed TSM 6.1 under AIX 5.3 - it is very unstable. I have upgraded to TSM 6.1.1 - it looks a little bit better. I am testing 6.1.1 now, but I am going to wait for TSM 6.1.2 before production upgrade. Mik
Re: TSM for Oracle
I understand that rman CAN automatically delete old backups. As a TSM Admin, I am being asked to verify that rman IS deleting old backups. Is there any way to verify such from the TSM side? David >>> Grigori Solonovitch 6/4/2009 1:42 AM >>> I am using RMAN 9i/10g with TSM 5.5 successfully. RMAN manages data expiry for Oracle databases completely without any manual intervention, but some configuration efforts are required: 1) dedicated TSM node for Oracle data with management class and copy group; 2) set vere=no limit, verd=0 rete= ret=0 in copy group, where is a period of time in days to be able to recover database (I am using 31 day); 3) for each database set retention period in RMAN by CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF DAYS, where equal to in copy group; 4) run full database backup periodically. I am running full database backup twice per month with retention period 31 days. All other days run incremental backup for database; 5) perform " delete noprompt obsolete" from RMAN backup script; 6) schedule at proper time "crosscheck backup" + "delete noprompt expired backup" + "delete noprompt obsolete" daily for each database (just not to delay backups); 7) schedule "crosscheck archivelog all" + "delete noprompt expired archivelog all" daily for each database (just not to delay backups) Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David E Ehresman Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:59 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM for Oracle Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM for Oracle backups? David Please consider the environment before printing this Email. "This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME."
Re: TSM for Oracle
Hi David, >From the TSM Side you can run 'tdposync' utility that is included with the DP Oracle installation. This will run a comparison between the RMAN catalog and TSM Server showing orphaned backups left on the TSM Server. This utility also provides the ability to delete these orphaned backups. Before using this utility, you should really take the opportunity to read the User's Guide and understand the implications of running such utility as the deletions from TSM are final. Regards, Neil Rasmussen Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development IBM Corporation Almaden Research Center 650 Harry Road rasmu...@us.ibm.com From: David E Ehresman To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: 06/04/2009 07:14 AM Subject: Re: TSM for Oracle Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" I understand that rman CAN automatically delete old backups. As a TSM Admin, I am being asked to verify that rman IS deleting old backups. Is there any way to verify such from the TSM side? David >>> Grigori Solonovitch 6/4/2009 1:42 AM >>> I am using RMAN 9i/10g with TSM 5.5 successfully. RMAN manages data expiry for Oracle databases completely without any manual intervention, but some configuration efforts are required: 1) dedicated TSM node for Oracle data with management class and copy group; 2) set vere=no limit, verd=0 rete= ret=0 in copy group, where is a period of time in days to be able to recover database (I am using 31 day); 3) for each database set retention period in RMAN by CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF DAYS, where equal to in copy group; 4) run full database backup periodically. I am running full database backup twice per month with retention period 31 days. All other days run incremental backup for database; 5) perform " delete noprompt obsolete" from RMAN backup script; 6) schedule at proper time "crosscheck backup" + "delete noprompt expired backup" + "delete noprompt obsolete" daily for each database (just not to delay backups); 7) schedule "crosscheck archivelog all" + "delete noprompt expired archivelog all" daily for each database (just not to delay backups) Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David E Ehresman Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:59 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM for Oracle Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM for Oracle backups? David Please consider the environment before printing this Email. "This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME."
Re: TSM for Oracle
Do you have to use the RMAN catalog, or can I use 'tdposync' against the control files? -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Neil Rasmussen Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:02 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM for Oracle Hi David, >From the TSM Side you can run 'tdposync' utility that is included with the DP Oracle installation. This will run a comparison between the RMAN catalog and TSM Server showing orphaned backups left on the TSM Server. This utility also provides the ability to delete these orphaned backups. Before using this utility, you should really take the opportunity to read the User's Guide and understand the implications of running such utility as the deletions from TSM are final. Regards, Neil Rasmussen Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development IBM Corporation Almaden Research Center 650 Harry Road rasmu...@us.ibm.com From: David E Ehresman To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: 06/04/2009 07:14 AM Subject: Re: TSM for Oracle Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" I understand that rman CAN automatically delete old backups. As a TSM Admin, I am being asked to verify that rman IS deleting old backups. Is there any way to verify such from the TSM side? David >>> Grigori Solonovitch 6/4/2009 1:42 AM >>> I am using RMAN 9i/10g with TSM 5.5 successfully. RMAN manages data expiry for Oracle databases completely without any manual intervention, but some configuration efforts are required: 1) dedicated TSM node for Oracle data with management class and copy group; 2) set vere=no limit, verd=0 rete= ret=0 in copy group, where is a period of time in days to be able to recover database (I am using 31 day); 3) for each database set retention period in RMAN by CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF DAYS, where equal to in copy group; 4) run full database backup periodically. I am running full database backup twice per month with retention period 31 days. All other days run incremental backup for database; 5) perform " delete noprompt obsolete" from RMAN backup script; 6) schedule at proper time "crosscheck backup" + "delete noprompt expired backup" + "delete noprompt obsolete" daily for each database (just not to delay backups); 7) schedule "crosscheck archivelog all" + "delete noprompt expired archivelog all" daily for each database (just not to delay backups) Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David E Ehresman Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:59 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM for Oracle Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM for Oracle backups? David Please consider the environment before printing this Email. "This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME."
Re: TSM for Oracle
David, I suggest you to use the hidden "show version" command on your server, that will allow to list the contents of backed up data on the server. Just issue : "show version nametype=fsid" with =node_name and =filespace_FSID This is my favorite method ! Cheers. Arnaud ** Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland, CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01 Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78 e-mail: arnaud.br...@panalpina.com ** -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David E Ehresman Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 16:10 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM for Oracle I understand that rman CAN automatically delete old backups. As a TSM Admin, I am being asked to verify that rman IS deleting old backups. Is there any way to verify such from the TSM side? David >>> Grigori Solonovitch 6/4/2009 1:42 AM >>> I am using RMAN 9i/10g with TSM 5.5 successfully. RMAN manages data expiry for Oracle databases completely without any manual intervention, but some configuration efforts are required: 1) dedicated TSM node for Oracle data with management class and copy group; 2) set vere=no limit, verd=0 rete= ret=0 in copy group, where is a period of time in days to be able to recover database (I am using 31 day); 3) for each database set retention period in RMAN by CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF DAYS, where equal to in copy group; 4) run full database backup periodically. I am running full database backup twice per month with retention period 31 days. All other days run incremental backup for database; 5) perform " delete noprompt obsolete" from RMAN backup script; 6) schedule at proper time "crosscheck backup" + "delete noprompt expired backup" + "delete noprompt obsolete" daily for each database (just not to delay backups); 7) schedule "crosscheck archivelog all" + "delete noprompt expired archivelog all" daily for each database (just not to delay backups) Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David E Ehresman Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:59 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM for Oracle Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM for Oracle backups? David Please consider the environment before printing this Email. "This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME."
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
Hi Grigori and Arnaud, For someone that has been using TSM from version 5.2 or familiar with TSM we can say "that ...". How about to convince new customers that the "old thing" better that the "new one". They prefer use things new (up-to-date) and get satisfied with what they have bought. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Grigori Solonovitch Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:58 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC I agreed completely with "that .". I have tried to use ISC a few times with no success. I was using TSM WEB Interface 5.2, which was announced by IBM as a temporary solution for TSM 5.3, with TSM 5.4 and TSM 5.5 successfully. I addition, I am using command line interface dsmadmc. I wonder, is there any possibility to install TSM WEB Interface 5.2 with TSM 6.1 or not? Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of PAC Brion Arnaud Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:49 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC >> Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still wondering who uses that ... thing. Cheers. Arnaud ** Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland, CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01 Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78 e-mail: arnaud.br...@panalpina.com ** -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote: > Hi All, > > Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated > Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add > Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. > Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the cli to register storage agents. > > BR, > > Martin -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00 Please consider the environment before printing this Email. "This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME." No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00
Re: TSM for Oracle
Hi everybody. Try this select select NODE_NAME, DATE(BACKUP_DATE)as fecha, FILESPACE_NAME, HL_NAME, LL_NAME, CLASS_NAME from backups where NODE_NAME='XXX' and FILESPACE_NAME='' order by fecha asc It will display the filespace backup date. Kind Regards JOrge > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:10:16 -0400 > From: deehr...@louisville.edu > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM for Oracle > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > I understand that rman CAN automatically delete old backups. As a TSM Admin, > I am being asked to verify that rman IS deleting old backups. Is there any > way to verify such from the TSM side? > > David > > >>> Grigori Solonovitch 6/4/2009 1:42 AM >>> > I am using RMAN 9i/10g with TSM 5.5 successfully. > RMAN manages data expiry for Oracle databases completely without any manual > intervention, but some configuration efforts are required: > 1) dedicated TSM node for Oracle data with management class and copy group; > 2) set vere=no limit, verd=0 rete= ret=0 in copy group, where is a > period of time in days to be able to recover database (I am using 31 day); > 3) for each database set retention period in RMAN by > CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF DAYS, where equal to > in copy group; > 4) run full database backup periodically. I am running full database backup > twice per month with retention period 31 days. All other days run incremental > backup for database; > 5) perform " delete noprompt obsolete" from RMAN backup script; > 6) schedule at proper time "crosscheck backup" + "delete noprompt expired > backup" + "delete noprompt obsolete" daily for each database (just not to > delay backups); > 7) schedule "crosscheck archivelog all" + "delete noprompt expired archivelog > all" daily for each database (just not to delay backups) > > Grigori G. Solonovitch > > Senior Technical Architect > > Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com > > Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: > g.solonovi...@bkme.com > > Please consider the environment before printing this Email > > > -Original Message- > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > David E Ehresman > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:59 PM > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM for Oracle > > Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM > for Oracle backups? > > David > > Please consider the environment before printing this Email. > > "This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain > confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named > recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not > the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender > immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and > accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments > due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. > The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of > the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME." _ Chatea sin límites en Messenger con la tarifa plana de Orange http://serviciosmoviles.es.msn.com/messenger/orange.aspx
Re: HSM reconcilliation (Windows-Client)
Hminteresting. I found out, that this behaviour only occurrs when the delete file is still in the trashbin. Well that's great but I didn't expect that! Does that mean you can move migrated files without restoring them? Does that even work across different drives? Kind regards, Stephan On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Stephan Boldt < stephan.boldt+ads...@gmail.com > wrote: > Well, I didn't. NOW I did and 1 file has been deleted from the archive. But > I was still able to search and restore the deleted file from the HSM client > GUI!?! How the hack can that happen? Any Ideas? I'm totally confused... :-/ > > kind regards, > Stephan > > 2009/6/4 Bos, Karel > > Did you ran expire inventory? >> >> Regards, >> >> Karel >> >> >> >> Hello everybody, >> >> I'm trying to set up HSM (TSM 5.5.2) for our Windows fileserver. For >> testing purposes I've created a folder c:\temp\hsmtest and put a file >> into that folder. I set up a hsm job for that folder and ran it whicht >> worked as >> expected: The file has been moved into the tsm archive and has been >> replaced by a stub file. Retrieving the file also worked as expected. >> Next (after migrating the file into the archive again) I deleted the >> stubfile to test the reconsilliation (the archive copy groups "retain >> version" value is set to "nolimit"). I ran the reconsilliation via the >> HSM Client GUI, but after that the deleted file was still in the archive >> (is still listed when looking for it via the search & retrieve command >> in the GUI). >> >> Why is this so? What do I have to do to get rid of the deleted file in >> the archive? >> >> Thanks in advance for you help! >> >> kind regards, >> Stephan >> >> >
Explorer hangs when opening properties dialog of HSM migrated *.exe files
Hello everybody, durig my HSM tests I ran into the problem, that every time I try to open the properties dialog of migrated *.exe files, the explorer hangs. I even disabled the McAfee 8.5i services but the problem remains. Other filetypes I've tried (e.g. *.ISO) don't cause this issue. I can't even reboot the server properly because it hangs during shutdown. Any idea what could be tha cause of this behaviour or how to trace it? TSM Backup and Archive Client is 6.1, HSM Client is 5.5.2.0, TSM Server is 5.5.1.1. kind regards, Stephan
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
The ISC experts say that it's a lot better as of 6.1: better workflow, smaller footprint. So if you've gotten a bad impression in the past, try to keep an open mind. Or are your complaints about the version bundled with 6.1? Lindsay Morris Principal TSMworks, Inc. 1-919-403-8260 www.tsmworks.com On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote: Hi Grigori and Arnaud, For someone that has been using TSM from version 5.2 or familiar with TSM we can say "that ...". How about to convince new customers that the "old thing" better that the "new one". They prefer use things new (up-to-date) and get satisfied with what they have bought. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Grigori Solonovitch Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:58 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC I agreed completely with "that .". I have tried to use ISC a few times with no success. I was using TSM WEB Interface 5.2, which was announced by IBM as a temporary solution for TSM 5.3, with TSM 5.4 and TSM 5.5 successfully. I addition, I am using command line interface dsmadmc. I wonder, is there any possibility to install TSM WEB Interface 5.2 with TSM 6.1 or not? Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of PAC Brion Arnaud Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:49 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still wondering who uses that ... thing. Cheers. Arnaud *** * ** Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland, CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01 Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78 e-mail: arnaud.br...@panalpina.com *** * ** -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote: Hi All, Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the cli to register storage agents. BR, Martin -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00 Please consider the environment before printing this Email. "This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME." No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05 :53:00
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
On 4 jun 2009, at 19:31, Lindsay Morris wrote: The ISC experts say that it's a lot better as of 6.1: better workflow, smaller footprint. So if you've gotten a bad impression in the past, try to keep an open mind. I must agree with Lindsay on this. The most recent ISC, as it comes with TSM 6.1 is so much better than the very first version. I managed to install it in minutes on my way underpowered OpenSUSE VM. I've never been a fan of the Webconsole, never been able to find anything, and well, ISC is just as bad :) Really, I prefer the CLI, but when using a GUI, ISC is nothing better than the old webgui... -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl +31 6 248 21 622
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
Right, GUI doesn't thrill us command-line bigots, does it? Servergraph has web-based management of TSM where you can see what commands it's issuing behind the scenes. Best of both worlds IMHO. (Don't flame me, I no longer work for Servergraph. Thanks.) Lindsay Morris Principal TSMworks, Inc. 1-919-403-8260 www.tsmworks.com On Jun 4, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Remco Post wrote: On 4 jun 2009, at 19:31, Lindsay Morris wrote: The ISC experts say that it's a lot better as of 6.1: better workflow, smaller footprint. So if you've gotten a bad impression in the past, try to keep an open mind. I must agree with Lindsay on this. The most recent ISC, as it comes with TSM 6.1 is so much better than the very first version. I managed to install it in minutes on my way underpowered OpenSUSE VM. I've never been a fan of the Webconsole, never been able to find anything, and well, ISC is just as bad :) Really, I prefer the CLI, but when using a GUI, ISC is nothing better than the old webgui... -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl +31 6 248 21 622
Re: TSM 6.1 DB Backups
Hi, Steve. Don't hang up the TSM hat yet. I'll bet one dbbackup to tape and two to disk would resolve that issue. Or heck, do all three to disk and xfer one offsite via network (ftp, rsync, something) and you can save that last dbbackup tape as well. Alex Paschal Storage Solutions Engineer MSI Systems Integrators (503) 943-6919 - Office Your Business. Better. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Harris Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:06 PM [] I've looked at the doc, and it doesn't explicitly say one way or the other - Does each DB backup still require a separate tape? If so this has significant ramifications for sites with small libraries or ones close to capacity. [] This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may constitute as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify us immediately by telephone and (i) destroy this message if a facsimile or (ii) delete this message immediately if this is an electronic communication. Thank you.
Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems
Hey you kids, get off my yard! It seems that many of us have a parental relationship with the product. In any other case, we would likely have severed the connection some time ago. Clearly the product is facing a challenge with its peers and up and comers, and needs to show ongoing improvement and increased value. Or to put it another way "we choose to " ... rebuild TSM on DB2 ... " in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too." Short of unbundling an NSM, this is easily the biggest challenge I've seen TSM admins (myself included)face. Sometimes I have hope that the nascent third-party helper applications will offer some help, but some of them aren't even ready for the transition to 6.x. This list makes a positive impact, by surfacing obscure tecnical knowledge, and disabusing people of their preconceived notions. It may be time for Tivoli/IBM to put some liasons in place, and offer people a hand as they make this difficult transition. [RC] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Sims Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:18 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Hans Christian Riksheim wrote: > ... > Frankly, I am a bit worried. I look at the bloat at Passport > Advantage(4GB download for reporting? Seriuos?) and it seems that > every piece of s**t software that IBM has produced now is forced upon > us. > Already TSM in itself has a steep learning curve with a lot of > different "strange" concepts, but IBM obviously doesn't seem to think > this is enough in their ongoing effort to scare off potential > customers. An installation of 6.1 with reporting and administration on > a small site with for example a 2 drive, 40 slot library will require > how many servers? 3? One for TSM, one for admin and one for reporting? > ... Indeed. I've been with the product since ADSM v.2, and have seen it grow enormously. Even having been part of that evolution, the growing amount of complexity can be overwhelming. We see customers writing in having difficulty with even basic functionality in the product: Having to additionally cope with LAN-Free, Library Manager/Client, encryption key management, Fibre Channel fabric and other technologies to make things work has to be daunting. (And don't overlook inscrutable licensing regimens.) This certainly creates opportunities for competitors offering streamlined, straightforward solutions to data assurance needs. Realization of this may be why IBM acquired the targeted B/R product Fastback from FilesX last year. The TSM product is obviously trying to accommodate all the latest technologies out there so as to meet all needs. The difficulty in trying to do that is that the result can be a huge monolith of a product with such intertwined development requirements that implementing seemingly simple new features can entail an inordinate amount of time and coordination. The danger in that approach is in ending up with a massive composite like Microsoft did with Windows, with its Longhorn/Vista development debacle. I'd instead go for a more modular approach, where customers can acquire and plug in what they really need, toward more efficient, focused solutions to their needs. This would make for more streamlined, timely development, and new releases that customers eagerly embrace rather than recoil from in fear. Richard Sims DISCLAIMER: This message is intended for the sole use of the addressee, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete this message.
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
Hi, I'm not sure this is what you want, but go to Policy Domains,select the sever containing the node you want do do a lan free backup for, select the domain that node is assigned to, open the client node twistie, select the node, and the table action Enable LAN-Free data Movement - this wizard has an option to add a storage agent as you setup the node. You can find the documentation for this in the help system this by clicking on the Help link on the top of the page, and doing a search on Storage Agent, and selecting the entry Enabling Lan free data movement. Carol Trible IBM Tivoli Storage Manager Development sabar.hasiho...@metrodata.co.id Hi All, Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. BR, Martin
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
>> and get satisfied with what they have bought Martin, This is exactly the point ! Are you satisfied with the ISC /AC combination so far ? If yes, I'm very happy for you, but from my readings of this list, lots of users are not, and so am I. I really would like to hear why IBM decided to drop a CPU and storage inexpensive / ergonomic /fast /readable interface for the new one. I may be paranoid, but I believe they had a very good reason for such a change : selling more hardware ! Cheers. Arnaud -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 18:06 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Hi Grigori and Arnaud, For someone that has been using TSM from version 5.2 or familiar with TSM we can say "that ...". How about to convince new customers that the "old thing" better that the "new one". They prefer use things new (up-to-date) and get satisfied with what they have bought. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Grigori Solonovitch Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:58 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC I agreed completely with "that .". I have tried to use ISC a few times with no success. I was using TSM WEB Interface 5.2, which was announced by IBM as a temporary solution for TSM 5.3, with TSM 5.4 and TSM 5.5 successfully. I addition, I am using command line interface dsmadmc. I wonder, is there any possibility to install TSM WEB Interface 5.2 with TSM 6.1 or not? Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of PAC Brion Arnaud Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:49 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC >> Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still wondering who uses that ... thing. Cheers. Arnaud ** Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland, CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01 Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78 e-mail: arnaud.br...@panalpina.com ** -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote: > Hi All, > > Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated > Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add > Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. > Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the cli to register storage agents. > > BR, > > Martin -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00 Please consider the environment before printing this Email. "This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME." No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
Arnaud, This is exactly the point ! Are you satisfied with the ISC /AC combination so far ? If yes, I'm very happy for you, but from my readings of this list, lots of users are not, and so am I. I really would like to hear why IBM decided to drop a CPU and storage inexpensive / ergonomic /fast /readable interface for the new one. I may be paranoid, but I believe they had a very good reason for such a change : selling more hardware ! The most recent version of the ISC really is a lot less heavy than previous versions. In that respect I truly believe that IBM listen to our complaints. It's even fast. I really urge you to experience it. I installed it on a VM on my laptop (isn't vmware fusion great? :)) in 5 minutes. As for the ergonomics, yes the workings of the new thing are different from the old thing. Have they become worse? Well, I don't think so. I like the CLI best of all, always have and alway will, but if I had to chose a GUI, well, the ISC is just as good as the old thing... it just provides an interface to everything added to TSM in the last 4 releases ;-) -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post