Re: [9fans] central list of bugs

2008-10-31 Thread Laurent Malvert
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 21:24, Rudolf Sykora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The 'community' (whatever that is) is not interested.
>>
>> uriel
>
> How can this man talk for others?!

it's a tradition.
Or he might be making an attempt at a (bad) joke, pretending to be the only
member of the community. Or he was just grumpy. having not had his
morning coffee. Go figure.


> I have a strong believe that without some central bug-tracking (so
> that anybody can know about where there is a bug) this project will
> only stay where it is.

unfortunately, I am afraid you might most probably be right.

My recommendation would be that if you want to do it, then just do it.
Fire up the issue tracker, and give the link to the tracker here.
If some people use it, then it's great. If they don't, at least you tried.

Plan 9 fans are either really reactive and enthusiastic, or really dull and
annoying. (sorry folks. Though I rarely interact on this list, I used to
have a great time reading it. But the past year has seen it be crippled by
useless and childish bashing, shadowing half of the interesting threads.
my hats off to the people who are helpful around here, and not only by
means of their technical expertise).
Just don't let the latter take your motivation away, and don't hold your
breath when you expect a reaction.

Thanks for suggesting something constructive.

-- 
Laurent Malvert [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: [9fans] John Floren, Im trying to make the world better

2013-03-18 Thread Laurent Malvert
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:14 PM,   wrote:
> John Floren wrote:
>> [what everybody thought, in about 140 chars]
>
> [another > 2K chars rant]

(I'll give a shot to the > 2K chars approach thing)

mycroftiv, I don't think Floren was denying that you are trying
to make the world a better place, or being oblivious to your
honesty, or implying that your goals aren't noble in any way.

Also, I haven't read any answers that seemed to talk negatively
about ANTS either - though granted I skimmed through some of this
Homerian epic. In fact, I don't think that, apart from the
occasional expletive about how you're pressing for feedback and
invaded the mailing-list (some might say "polluted"
or "violated"), I didn't feel like anyone wasn't listening to
you (at first). If you look around, it's usually a rather quiet
group here, with some occasional heated debates. It looked like
folks were taking a reasonable amount of time to digest a large
dump of information, and without any immediate harsh reaction or
negative assumption about you and your objectives here or at
large.  Which is really what you'd want from people reviewing
your work.


So you can probably assume a combination of the following:

 - people have not tried ANTS thoroughly enough to give you
   quality feedback (yet);

 - people liked ANTS and didn't say anything (usually the
   likelihood is higher that the disgruntled users would be
   the more vocal ones, which is a *good* thing for you);

 - people got very, very confused about ANTS and figured
   they'd come back to it later;

 - people wanted to try ANTS but suddenly got a glimpse of what
   it might feel like to be an innocent passers-by being taken
   hostage with a gun to their head in a bank robbery, or meeting
   a cross of Pennywise, a doomsday prophet and conspiration
   theorist in closed room;

 - spam filters hesitated but finally had mercy on 9fans readers.


As others said, we may have lives, stuff to do, projects and
things that matter to us as well probably as dearly as they do to
you, and we can't jump on every bandwagon.  And I have to say
that coming back after only 6 days off-line, your emails, while
representing a significant chunk of my mailer's payload, are way
down in terms of priority.  There's the word "fans" in this
group's address after all, and while sometimes borderline
fanatics as well, it's still hobbyism for the large part. I don't
think many are paid to read and reply here, or that they have
huge amounts of time to do so.

Patience is a virtue, silence is golden, wait and see and all
good things come to those who wait would be good colloquialisms
to keep in mind while you give 9fans peace and quiet to take a
look - extended or not, but at least a look - at your effort and
get back to you if they *want*.
You can't force people into doing things, but you can surely put
them off of doing them. Folks here are rather curious by nature,
so don't scare them away.


I'm impressed though at how many of us you managed to awaken from
stasis, and at how it triggered rather insignificant discussions - in
the context of that list, that is. Whatever magic you used to do that,
please stop it, it's giving us the creeps.

And yes, patents suck, but the solution to fixing them isn't here.


PS: ANTS looks interesting. That's all I know and can say for now,
and I don't guarantee further feedback.

--
Laurent Malvert
(a usually very passive/read-only 9fan)



Re: [9fans] John Floren, Im trying to make the world better

2013-03-18 Thread Laurent Malvert
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:19 PM,   wrote:
>> Whatever magic you used to do that,
>> please stop it, it's giving us the creeps.
>
> I think I figured that one out. It's a humane attitude, which is
> lacking on this list. People are not computers, they need to put their
> personal insight into discussion to keep them as a community. May be
> that's the main problem for Plan 9.

I don't think that was a problem.
Depends on how you determine and quantify success.

-- 
Laurent Malvert



Re: [9fans] Scheme

2013-03-18 Thread Laurent Malvert
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Matthew Veety  wrote:
> On Mar 18, 2013, at 14:27, Bakul Shah  wrote:
>
>> Can we get back to plan9?

Yes, please.

>> I've updated my bitbucket repo of s9fes Scheme to its author's latest 
>> version. s9, the scheme interpreter, works fine but bundled scheme programs 
>> don't yet work due to their unix dependencies. The low level p9 interface is 
>> the same as before. I have tested it on x86 and arm. If anyone is interested 
>> in scheme hacking, there are some fun little projects: a GUI library, a 
>> library to build scheme based file servers, etc. A bigger project is to add 
>> a proper code generator.
>>
>> Chibi scheme also works on p9 but it is a moving target and it has more unix 
>> & shared lib dependencies. And I haven't ported my p9 support to it.
>
> I'm very interested in this. Do you have a link to your bitbucket?

Allow me:

https://bitbucket.org/bakul/s9fes/

--
Laurent Malvert