[9fans] Indoor and outdoor plumbing

2010-10-21 Thread Jeffrey Green
Hello everyone,

I'm still fairly new to plan9 after only a little over a week of exposure and 
intense absorption
into that world. At this point, I'm coming up for air in order to see what the 
long time prospects
are. To be honest, I'm not sure, in particular with respect to its life outside 
a research 
environment. I do though very much want it to live beyond. In that spirit and 
the spirit that 
comes along as one reads  Rob Pike's paper on plumbing, I offer the below.

The man pages are an exotic tool for people unfamiliar with them. However, to 
those who are
familiar, they provide crucial and concise information for the subject on hand. 
The man 
pages within the plan9 system by and large follow the traditional format. There 
are a 
few differences in comparison to those in the unix or linux world, but really 
not that many.
What I want to suggest here is a section for plumbing, or rather PLUMBING as 
the man
pages might list it. I suggest this in the context of the subject line.

Indoor and outdoor plumbing; what is that about? The door as I am using it in 
the previous
terms refers to the "door" of ones home, or $home here. I think that most 
people do not
have a blueprint for the plumbing in their home, or if one exists then it 
possibly has been
misplaced. In particular, they often do not hand a plumber a blueprint if they 
call one to
come and fix their plumbing. However for plumbing for public spaces and 
environments 
that go beyond the context of serving one individual or one family, a blueprint 
or some
form of documentation is needed. At the least, it is very beneficial for anyone 
needing
to work with the plumbing.

Okay, so the analogous situation here is the plumbing in the plan9 system that 
is out (of)
doors, outside $home's door. It needs documentation for sensible use. That 
documentation
at the least provides a meeting point for conventions in the use of plumbing. 
However, it
also provides needed structure regarding connecting points and flow of 
information in the
form of messages. One difficulty is where to put that information in regards to 
the man pages,
i.e. which ones. Since the command is not necessarily the source of the 
plumbing rules 
that connect with the process associated with the command, it is difficult to 
require the
implementors of a command to be responsible for that section. Consequently, one 
problem
to be included in the proposal is what is the basis for including plumbing 
information. How 
does one decide to put a section in a man page that one did not originally 
author? It becomes 
a problem of how to deal with community living.

I assume that if the original designers of plan9 had included said section in 
the organization of 
the man page that they would have done an excellent job of defining the form of 
that section. 
However, it doesn't look as if that section was included. So if it is to be 
included, then it is up to the
present community to figure out what should be in it. Obviously some may think 
that section
is unnecessary. For some, possibly many, man pages that is probably true. 
However for
others I think differently. At this point, it can be treated as a bit of an 
exercise as to what the form
of that section should contain and how it should be presented. The spirit of 
the man pages seem 
to be (for me) that of mathematical common sense.

So there it is. Any thoughts?

-jeff


Re: [9fans] nice terminal...

2012-04-22 Thread Jeffrey Green
So, a month has gone by and a slice of raspberry pi is looking more and more 
tempting these days, especially since "official" delivery seems to have 
happened last week. Has anyone yet chanced an introduction of one to plan9? I 
would guess the initial booting would be the biggest hurdle. What tools do we 
have to work with in that situation?

-jeff

On Mar 20, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote:

> You have to have got one first. My delivery note says "May" and the blog said 
> the initial batch had a part wrong (stopping ether from working).
> 
> On 20 March 2012 12:33, Nicolas Bercher  wrote:
> Does anyone know about the Plan 9 support status for the Raspberry Pi ?
> 




Re: [9fans] nice terminal...

2012-04-22 Thread Jeffrey Green

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:

> It's not easy even if you make appliances and sell a good number of their 
> NICs. At a company where I worked a few years ago, we had a performance 
> problem and it took us months to get any datasheets. When that didn't help, 
> it took us about the same amount of time to get errata.
> 
> It is not fun.

I'm assuming the proprietary stuff that is the hurdle here is a ROM based boot 
sequence (and language). I would think that the ARM processor architecture is 
standard. If so about the ROM, is the general public completely in the dark 
about it?

-jeff

> > So, a month has gone by and a slice of raspberry pi is looking more and
> > more tempting these days, especially since "official" delivery seems to
> > have happened last week. Has anyone yet chanced an introduction of one
> > to plan9? I would guess the initial booting would be the biggest
> > hurdle.
> 
> Not to stop anyone, but I hear getting documentation from Broadcom is a
> bit of a painful project all in itself.
> 
> 




Re: [9fans] nice terminal...

2012-04-23 Thread Jeffrey Green
On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Bruce Ellis wrote:

> "John Connor uses his 26th century technology to travel back in time,
> insisting that Sarah's destiny will be thwarted if she does not take
> the errata to the desert. They blow things up - not many dead. Sarah
> latches onto a Cyborg open wifi and summons - a sequel."

That may be a hard sell to Disney these days

> 
> On 23 April 2012 09:53, Joseph Stewart  wrote:
>> The whole Broadcom licensing thing is a major pain at my current job
>> (although my overlords probably have equally painful legal shackles).
>> 
>> Not being able to see data sheets is pretty lame.
>> 
>> -joe
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Strake  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 22/04/2012, Jeff Sickel  wrote:
 Sign me up as a reviewer for your next theatrical production.  A little
 radio, streaming audio, or even a youtube screening will suffice.
 
 On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote:
 
> I always hope to see things like this appearing as the McGuffin in
> films:
> "The Broadcom Errata"
> (``Look! I've decoded the cryptogram in the K&R Code. It seems to give
> the
> location of a Broadcom data sheet.
> We thought they'd all been lost or destroyed!'' ``If it also has the
> errata, it would be priceless! That explains why they
> had to kill Fletcher to shut up his open source project.")
>>> 
>>> I hope that 9fans will get the casting call.
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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