On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 03:32:42PM +, Dylan Ebner wrote:
> I always love it when I get an outage report from my ISP's or datacenter
> and they say an "unexpected issue" or "unforseen issue" caused the
> problem.
Well, at least it's better than "yeah, we knew about it, but didn't think it
was w
On Wednesday 26 August 2009 23:16:17 Robert Enger - NANOG wrote:
> As tedious as the downstream can be, engineering the upstream path of a
> cable plant is worse. A lot of older systems were never designed for
> upstream service. Even if the amps are retrofitted, the plant is just not
> tight enou
Please note that this thread has been moderated as off-topic.
The Mail operations email list http://www.mailop.org/ may be a more
appropriate venue for the discussion.
Simon
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Hi,
All of my contacts within Avaya who work with the CNA/APC system have seemingly
vanished, does anyone on the list have any contacts in Avaya which still know
about the existence of this product?
Also, does anyone have any contact information for someone at Internap who has
sales informatio
Fred,
I picked Aroostook, Washington, and Lincoln counties for a 4g wireless
with backhaul infrastructure proposal. A wireline infrastructure
proposal for these counties (BIP) would, for some arbitrary amount of
capital expense, serve some of the population in towns, but leave the
non-in-town pop
Qwest is still beta testing IPv6. We turned ours up last week and were
one of the first to do so. I can go through my notes and email you the
contact info of the people that are working on that.
Kevin Brown wrote:
Does anyone have a contact at Qwest who can help us get the ball rolling
to
In a message written on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 09:58:22AM +0100, Alexander
Harrowell wrote:
> An interesting question: as the population gets sparser, the average trench
> mileage per subscriber increases. At some point this renders fibre deployment
> uneconomic. Now, this point can change:
This
On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
In a message written on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 09:58:22AM +0100,
Alexander Harrowell wrote:
An interesting question: as the population gets sparser, the
average trench
mileage per subscriber increases. At some point this renders fibre
deploym
Once upon a time, Kevin Brown said:
> Does anyone have a contact at Qwest who can help us get the ball rolling
> to implement an exchange of IPv6 traffic? Their NOC referred us back to
> our account manager, who said "We don't do IPv6". A quick Google search
> would seem to indicate otherwise
Leo Bicknell wrote:
If you have to reach someone 20km from the CO, the cost of running
the ditch-wich down the road in a rural area is not the dominate
cost over the next 20 years. It's equipment. If the copper plant
takes 4 repeaters to do the job, that's 4 bits of equipment that
can fail, and
Once upon a time, Leo Bicknell said:
> When the original
> rural telephone network was pushed ROI's of 50 years were talked about.
> There's plenty of infrastructure built every day with ROI's of 20 years.
How much of that was built in the last 15 years though (where now it
needs to be replaced b
In a message written on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:47:01AM -0400, Paul Timmins
wrote:
> Seems like a good idea to the technical side of me, but the business
> side sees a problem: that the employees like to eat in the 33 year span
> wherein the company isn't making a dime on its customers.
The las
Leo Bicknell wrote:
So while mileage per subscriber increases, cost per mile dramatically
increases. The only advantage in an urban enviornment is that one
trench may serve 200 families in a building, where as a rural trench
may serve 20 familes.
Cost per subscriber is the only cost that matte
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Adams"
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: FCCs RFC for the Definition of Broadband
Once upon a time, Leo Bicknell said:
When the original
rural telephone network was pushed ROI's of 50 years were talked about.
There's plenty
In a message written on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 09:57:56AM -0500, Jack Bates wrote:
> oversimplified, in reality, many of the FTTH comments in this thread
> imply bringing all customers back to the CO to keep active equipment out
> of the plant. This will tend to imply large fiber bundles leaving th
Leo Bicknell wrote:
My perception is that the rural telecom market is fragmented by many
smaller players, which amplifies this problem.
I have 12 ILEC and 1 CLEC under my umbrella. I can guarantee that not a
single one is the same at the plant, equipment, or business level.
That being said,
On Thursday 27 August 2009 15:04:59 Leo Bicknell wrote:
> In a message written on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 09:58:22AM +0100, Alexander
Harrowell wrote:
> > An interesting question: as the population gets sparser, the average
> > trench mileage per subscriber increases. At some point this renders fibre
Coincidentally, just this morning someone at InterNAP forwarded me a
statement from Avaya that they announced End of Sale on the CNA and
Adaptive Path Controller as of Nov 2 2009, and End of Support as of Nov
2 2010.
I'll forward you the InterNAP guy's info off-list.
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 08:02
As one of the workshops discussed, does the definition of "underserved" and
"unserved" include the clause "for a reasonable price"?
If the price is unreasonable, do you think its government money well-spent
to subsidize bringing a competitor to a market that couldn't make it before?
Or are there
Estimates to bring FTTH to all of America is in the $100 to $300B range.
So yes, the $7.2B is a drop in the bucket.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Sean Donelan [mailto:s...@donelan.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: FCCs RFC for the Definition
The background issue is whether satellite-based systems at around 200
Kb/s and high latency can be defined as "broadband." Since everyone in
America - including the Alaskans - has access to satellite services,
defining that level of service as broadband makes the rest of the
exercise academic:
Leo Bicknell wrote:
What Telecom companies have done is confused infrastructure and
equipment. It would be stupid to plan on making a profit on your
GSR over 30 years, after 10 it will be functionally obsolete. When
it comes to equipment the idea of 1-3 year ROI's makes sense.
However, when it
That's why I believe all the major lecs are refusing to submit for funds
due to all the red tape that comes with that money. Eg.
(Nondiscrimination and interconnection obligation) they are really
pushing network openness something I don't think the lecs want to do
with their fiber plant.
Carlos
On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Roy wrote:
I think it has become obvious that the correct definition of
broadband depends on the users location. A house in the boonies is
not going to get fiber, Perhaps the minimum acceptable bandwidth
should vary by area. A definition of "area" could be s
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