Re: [Ayatana] Focus follows pointer (Was: Re: Understanding the menu problem.)

2011-06-01 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 05/31/2011 09:28 PM, Ed Lin wrote: GIMP is an awful example :P Its interface is gimped, the WM isn't the right place to right it. Do you have any other example where you'd miss auto rise specifically? What many perceive as a shortcoming of GIMP helps me to work efficiently :p Yes. I also u

Re: [Ayatana] Application Menus in Unity

2011-06-01 Thread Adrian Maier
Hello guys, The essential problem of the global menu is that its behavior is fixed, unchangeable, locked and non-configurable. This is the first needed step , before discussing anything about changing the default settings. Right now the users have only two options : like it or dislike it. Th

Re: [Ayatana] Application Menus in Unity

2011-06-01 Thread Mark Curtis
"Make it configurable" is not the answer to a (poor?) design. Configurability can be a nightmare, you need to not only make sure that module A works with module B, but that module A (configured in X, Y, or Z behavior) works with module B (configured in X, Y, or Z behavior). Even if everything w

Re: [Ayatana] Application Menus in Unity

2011-06-01 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 09:27, Mark Curtis wrote: > "Make it configurable" is not the answer to a (poor?) design. > On the other hand, when an idealized one-size-fits all utopian design remains elusive after many months of searching... -- Jeremy Nickurak -= Email/XMPP: -= jer...@nickurak.ca =-

Re: [Ayatana] Application Menus in Unity

2011-06-01 Thread Tony Pursell
You are quite right, of course. It would be great if there was a server button on that tab, or on the icon bar even. But this is just one example. You simply cannot say to all developers that they must now consider the fact that Ubuntu Unity users do not have the menu in view, and so they must

Re: [Ayatana] Application Menus in Unity

2011-06-01 Thread Adrian Maier
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 18:27, Mark Curtis wrote: > "Make it configurable" is not the answer to a (poor?) design. Configurability is about letting the user adapt the working environment to his/her particular needs. > Configurability can be a nightmare, you need to not only make sure that > modul