Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joern Konopka
Okay, two new Mockups. The First One removes the Bottom Bar in Favor of a Chrome-Style Notice for the File Selection: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1890515/FileSelectionMockupBottomNotice.png The Second One uses a Top Notice for File Selection, also it gives a little clue on how the hovered Icons would

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joern Konopka
I forgot to add something, sure we could use a Windicator for Selected Files, but i think we still should deliver something like the Notice in the Mockups, the Notice's only purpose is to cancel the Selection anyways, so its just a quick click if you mess up your Selection or change your mind. The

[Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread guido iodice
Dear all, I think there is a inconsistency in the indicator menu and a inconsistency with the rest of the gui. 1. If I want launch Empathy or Evolution, I can click on its icon in the message menu. But other application are in the standard GNOME application menu. So its a bit difficult for the us

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Thorsten Wilms
I think having a status message with the number of selected items at the bottom is good, because this is a result of your action. Action on top, result on bottom. A Deselect All command right next to that message makes sense because of the very close relation. You can think of this unit of message

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joe Lanman
I think Google Docs is a good reference point for single click - and one important aspect of their UI is an action bar at the top: http://blogs.georgiasouthern.edu/googleapps/files/2010/01/chb3q7hq_200drc9c7f8_b1.png This allows easy de-selection, and other actions such as renaming _

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joern Konopka
> > > http://blogs.georgiasouthern.edu/googleapps/files/2010/01/chb3q7hq_200drc9c7f8_b1.png > > This allows easy de-selection, and other actions such as renaming > I think thats a good idea too, even though its pretty much only recreating the right-click options its very accessible to Users and co

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Alex Launi
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:24 PM, David Hamm wrote: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1890515/FileSelectionMockup1.png > surprisingly sexy. > > I want to give a +1 on single click. When this thread started I was hugely skeptical of the idea and dismissed it as absolute crap, but I decided to give the ent

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Alex Launi
Some concern has been raised about the discoverability of drag, this might be crack but what if on hover we did something like what is shown in Joern Konopk's mockup[0], but part of what appears on hover is something that resembles a window border/title bar. Users already know that they can drag t

Re: [Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 21/05/10 09:38, guido iodice wrote: > 1. If I want launch Empathy or Evolution, I can click on its icon in > the message menu. But other application are in the standard GNOME > application menu. So its a bit difficult for the user to understand > why some applications are in a place and other ap

Re: [Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread Alex Launi
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:38 AM, guido iodice wrote: > 2. If I want open Empathy because I received a message, I must click on > message menu. But if I want go offline, I must use the me menu. So we have > two places to control the same program. Often I click on message menu > searching a button t

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Diego Moya
On 21 May 2010 11:52, Alex Launi wrote: > Some concern has been raised about the discoverability of drag, this might > be crack but what if on hover we did something like what is shown in Joern > Konopk's mockup[0], but part of what appears on hover is something that > resembles a window border/tit

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joe Lanman
I'm not sure a drag handle is really necessary - simply clicking and dragging the file would seem the most straightforward interface, and would add less visual clutter. Again - google docs is a good exmple of this. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/

Re: [Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread guido iodice
2010/5/21 Mark Shuttleworth > In Unity, we won't put Empathy in the launcher initially. We'll just > have the messaging menu, where you would launch it. But if you want it > in the launcher, you can put it there yourself. So the initial position > is not inconsistent - it only becomes slightly in

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Folks, I don't want to pour water on your flames but... We already have mechanisms for multiple selection, with dragging to lasso a set of icons, ctrl-click to select an arbitrary set, and shift-click to continue a selection along a list. I don't see a need for the checkboxes at all. And I defini

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Diego Moya
On 21 May 2010 11:44, Alex Launi wrote: > This looks awesome! But why do we need the dismiss all button? Shouldn't > just clicking into white sufficient? Having a button like that will give a > lot of users the impression that that's the only way to deselect files, when > really it's a kind of inef

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joe Lanman
sorry - forgot to reply-all > > We already have mechanisms for multiple selection, with dragging to > lasso a set of icons, ctrl-click to select an arbitrary set, and > shift-click to continue a selection along a list. > > I don't see a need for the checkboxes at all. And I definitely don't > lik

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Diego Moya
On 21 May 2010 12:28, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Folks, I don't want to pour water on your flames but... > > We already have mechanisms for multiple selection, with dragging to > lasso a set of icons, ctrl-click to select an arbitrary set, and > shift-click to continue a selection along a list. Th

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 11:25 +0100, Joe Lanman wrote: > I'm not sure a drag handle is really necessary - simply clicking and > dragging the file would seem the most straightforward interface, and > would add less visual clutter. Again - google docs is a good exmple of > this. Yes. You usually see

Re: [Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread Conscious User
> 1. If I want launch Empathy or Evolution, I can click on its icon in > the message menu. But other application are in the standard GNOME > application menu. So its a bit difficult for the user to understand > why some applications are in a place and other application are in > another place. But

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Conscious User
> I want to give a +1 on single click. When this thread started I was > hugely skeptical of the idea and dismissed it as absolute crap, but I > decided to give the entire thread a read through and my mind was > changed. I tested out single click on my machine, and it's pretty > good. It needs imp

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Diego Moya
On 21 May 2010 12:13, Diego Moya wrote: > Joern, your current design doesn't make clear what will happen if the > user clicks the area right under the checkbox. Will that open the file > or select the checkbox? Could you create a new mockup where that area > includes a vertical drag handle? https:

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Alex Launi
How do you drag multiple files? -- -- Alex Launi ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Diego Moya
Select multiple files, then drag? This is no different in single click mode. On 21 May 2010 13:34, Alex Launi wrote: > How do you drag multiple files? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscrib

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Remco
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 13:25, Diego Moya wrote: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/DoubleClick?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=FileSelectionMockupBottomNotice-3.PNG > > I've subverted the beautiful mockup created by Joern to show my idea. > The design doesn't include a checkbox, just the drag hand

Re: [Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread guido iodice
2010/5/21 Conscious User > > My two cents: I'm not particularly bothered by neither of those. I > think the problem is that your thinking is application-based, while > the indicators are functionality-based. > Yes I know. But if I receive annoying messages from a place, I would stop them from t

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joern Konopka
Okay, that was quite some input right now, i ran some loops in my brain and just thought "We need to make this simpler" So lets look at our targets again: - We want to be able to select multiple or single files conveniently - We dont wan't it to conflict with dragging a file - We don't want

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 13:53 +0200, Joern Konopka wrote: > -Clicking opens the file as usual > -Click and Hold will select the File after a Timeout of 250 ms > -Double-Click! Since its "disabled" in Single-Click Mode it could be > used to select files too, that would make more sense than having it

Re: [Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread Conscious User
> Yes I know. But if I receive annoying messages from a place, I would > stop them from the same place. This is the main point. > I would control all messaging function from a menu, not two or more. > Going offline or online is part of messaging. Part of messagING, as in "using an instant messen

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Tyler Brainerd
How are you planning on allowing users to control click on touchscreens with no keyboard? On May 21, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Folks, I don't want to pour water on your flames but... > > We already have mechanisms for multiple selection, with dragging to > lasso a set of icons

Re: [Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread guido iodice
2010/5/21 Conscious User > > Part of messagING, as in "using an instant messenger", but not > part of messagES, as in "an usual action when sending or > receiving messages". The Message Menu deals with messagES. The name is *Messaging Menu*: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu/ So I think you p

Re: [Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 14:44, Conscious User wrote: > If you are receiving annoying messages, and changing your status > stops them, then you were in the wrong status to begin with. :) Why is half of the Me Menu made up of preference setting links? Can't we put those somewhere else and link the

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread David Hamm
long press should be reserved for menu's ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread Conscious User
> > Part of messagING, as in "using an instant messenger", but not > > part of messagES, as in "an usual action when sending or > > receiving messages". The Message Menu deals with messagES. > > The name is Messaging Menu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu/ > So I think you partly misundersto

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joe Lanman
I added Google Docs examples to the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/DoubleClick ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.lau

Re: [Ayatana] memenu and appmenu

2010-05-21 Thread guido iodice
2010/5/21 Conscious User > > The combination thing is more or less my point: changing status is > common, and responding to messages is common, what I don't think > it's common is doing *both* as a reaction to a message (the > "annoying message" scenario you brought up). > Annoying messages are

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Frederik Nnaji
Hello SABDFL ;) On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:28, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > We already have mechanisms for multiple selection, with dragging to > lasso a set of icons, ctrl-click to select an arbitrary set, and > shift-click to continue a selection along a list. Of course we have keyboard shortcu

Re: [Ayatana] Clock Menu Redesign [was: Evolution && is: progress]

2010-05-21 Thread Frederik Nnaji
Hi Nicholas ;) On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 18:01, Nicholas Ipsen wrote: > I think it would be nice to include a weather indicator, maybe to the left > of the Clock? I certainly appreciate this functionality in the current Gnome > Clock Applet, but it would make sense to me to have them as seperate >

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-21 Thread Jan Claeys
Op vrijdag 21-05-2010 om 08:26 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Philipp Wendler: > Am 20.05.2010 23:48, schrieb Jan Claeys: > > Op donderdag 20-05-2010 om 12:00 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Mark > > Shuttleworth: > >> We discussed auto-attenuating music when a *phone call* comes through, > >> which m

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-21 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 01:11, Jan Claeys wrote: >> I wouldn't even be sure if the browser shouldn't be considered a player >> in this case, too. I guess a lot of people today use online sites >> (Youtube etc.) as their primary source of audio and video, so they would >> wonder why this is differe