> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:56:53 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii <e...@gnu.org> > Cc: savannah-hackers-public@gnu.org > > Thanks, I will report any significant problems if I see them.
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s=2017; t=1666265256; bh=Wk38Q3ylYPBS5Tu8fULhv5cKnuNHyUfjrc0oM5FmpRk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=KVIis0JoGTi46nrYLyzG3f3Kjca9gCUW0b/XiHjvV0wSUW0nN69WdbxWAu/xg5eTl NyPQQ52J6bZ1tvfoWJOgHfp86elDC4Nyp2cWreWSdGG6v94Xv5rB5PjJ1fVNz7puX/ 5kYwTpfIIxt3GBtnXbU8cz5Fx8/LzHqqdgjCjGNbPsab5sVMAXOuNI9FPCbzM+p73B Q4srTh2R9OuRS6xMtm8nmzsDaFsZkaneqhwvoiABQyEChCoPQ1ADW3RX/vL+L9gVAt PY6WoDNmNEkD+uuWfV5T9dKmxEwDUX5YKJbo27NCtfqfGP9tQ/5QkpxCZnehbz7USP byUl1YpbleMng== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4MtQLb1j5tz9rxb; Thu, 20 Oct 2022 13:27:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic <phil...@posteo.net> To: Eli Zaretskii <e...@gnu.org> Cc: Protesilaos Stavrou <i...@protesilaos.com>, stefankan...@gmail.com, la...@gnus.org, emacs-de...@gnu.org Subject: Re: Adding a "quick-help" menu In-Reply-To: <83v8ofxaom....@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:37:29 +0300") References: <87v8pn4968....@posteo.net> <87h7156lg5....@gnus.org> <878rmhdkc9....@posteo.net> <cadwfkmminryo+ig5xew8g5ypgi0q5btsgfppx15kyeny3uy...@mail.gmail.com> <87fsgnfzb2....@posteo.net> <CADwFkm=d9ykby---dszvx7m4mpweubgcv_xzq46bsfv8fpv...@mail.gmail.com> <87h7030xnd....@posteo.net> <87czanqbny....@protesilaos.com> <83v8ofxaom....@gnu.org> Autocrypt: addr=phil...@posteo.net; 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Why is it important to have "C-h q" in the > tutorial? We only show a handful of Help commands there, and we do > that for a reason. I could imagine that something along the lines of "If you find it difficult to remember the important bindings, you can always request an overview with C-h q".