Thanks.  Will give it a try.
 Mike

On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 12:04 PM Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> few thing you ought to consider with your setup.
> We presently don't really support installing Sage in a venv
> (this is being worked on, but it's far from being ready for general use)
>
> Basically, Sage will create its own venv instead.
> Then, we're not supporting Python 3.13 yet.
> You can use 3.12 instead, then it will be used.
> (and not built from sources, something which is broken on macOS a.t.m.)
>
> It seems you're using Homebrew, no? You certainly don't need to build
> "patch" then,
> just install a Homebrew patch.
>
> The way to use it with as many packages it has, not only non-python ones,
> is to run
>
> source .homebrew-build-env # needed anyway
>
> and run
>
> ./configure ---enable-system-site-packages # site is for Python packages
> in the env. of your python3
>
> HTH
> Dima
>
>
> On Thursday, February 6, 2025 at 3:24:46 AM UTC-6 mwi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>  Just discovered SageMath.  Wonderful!  Did a PhD thesis fifty(!) years
>> ago using MACSYMA over a dialup connection to a TIP and the ARPANET :-)
>>  Great to see an alternative to Mathe$$$ica.
>> Installing on old MacBook Pro 11,3 (mid-2013) running Sonoma 15.2
>> (patched with OCLP 2.2.0).  Just upgraded my Python installation to 13.3.2,
>> ran your source install with that in a venv. Fumbled along a bit, but made
>> it through your configure steps.  But when a did a make, it failed while
>> trying to download your patch2.7.6 (See log snippet below).  Complained
>> about certificate issues.  Notes: 1. I do have a GitHub account, but that
>> probably wasn't involved.  2. I did a fresh install of Python 13.3.2 from
>> the official site, INCLUDING the post instal script to update certificates,
>> but ended up not using that image and installed another copy using BREW
>> which put the binary in a more useful place wrt macOS and ZShell.
>> TIA,
>> Mike (excited to get SageMath running)
>> PS: Presume my problem will be obvious to you, so only including a bit of
>> the log.  Can easily send more or try alternative steps.
>> -------------------------
>> (pyvenv) mike@Mikes-MacBook-Pro-113 sage % make
>> make -j4 build/make/Makefile --stop
>> make[1]: `build/make/Makefile' is up to date.
>> build/bin/sage-logger \
>> "cd build/make && ./install 'base-toolchain'" logs/install.log
>> *** ALL ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES BEFORE BUILD: ***
>> ACLOCAL_PATH=
>>
>> CPATH=/usr/local/opt/primesieve/include:/usr/local/opt/bdw-gc/include:/usr/local/opt/libpng/include:/usr/local/opt/polymake/include:/usr/local/opt/ntl/include:/usr/local/opt/bzip2/include:/usr/local/opt/readline/include:/usr/local/include:/usr/local/opt/primesieve/include:/usr/local/opt/bdw-gc/include:/usr/local/opt/libpng/include:/usr/local/opt/polymake/include:/usr/local/opt/ntl/include:/usr/local/opt/bzip2/include:/usr/local/opt/readline/include:/usr/local/include
>> CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/local/opt/openssl@3/include
>> CVXOPT_SUITESPARSE_INC_DIR=/usr/local/include/suitesparse
>> CVXOPT_SUITESPARSE_LIB_DIR=/usr/local/lib
>> GNUARMEMB_TOOLCHAIN_PATH=/opt/gnuarmemb
>> HOME=/Users/mike
>> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
>> LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/opt/openssl@3/lib
>>
>> LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/opt/primesieve/lib:/usr/local/opt/bdw-gc/lib:/usr/local/opt/libpng/lib:/usr/local/opt/polymake/lib:/usr/local/opt/ntl/lib:/usr/local/opt/bzip2/lib:/usr/local/opt/readline/lib:/usr/local/lib:/usr/local/opt/primesieve/lib:/usr/local/opt/bdw-gc/lib:/usr/local/opt/libpng/lib:/usr/local/opt/polymake/lib:/usr/local/opt/ntl/lib:/usr/local/opt/bzip2/lib:/usr/local/opt/readline/lib:/usr/local/lib
>> LOGNAME=mike
>> MAKE=make -j4
>> MAKEFLAGS= V=1
>> MAKELEVEL=1
>>
>> MANPATH=/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/usr/share/man:/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/usr/share/man:/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/usr/share/man:/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/share/man:
>> MFLAGS=
>> OPENSSL_ROOT_DIR=/usr/local/opt/openssl@3
>>
>> PATH=/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin:/Users/mike/sage/sage/src/bin:/Users/mike/sage/sage/local/bin:/usr/local/opt/polymake/bin:/usr/local/opt/texinfo/bin:/usr/local/opt/bzip2/bin:/usr/local/opt/polymake/bin:/usr/local/opt/texinfo/bin:/usr/local/opt/bzip2/bin:/Users/mike/.pyenv/shims:/usr/local/bin/:/Users/mike/Py3.13.2/pyvenv/bin:/usr/local/opt/openssl@3/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/opt/ccache/libexec:/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.13/bin:/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/bin:/usr/local/bin:/System/Cryptexes/App/usr/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/var/run/com.apple.security.cryptexd/codex.system/bootstrap/usr/local/bin:/var/run/com.apple.security.cryptexd/codex.system/bootstrap/usr/bin:/var/run/com.apple.security.cryptexd/codex.system/bootstrap/usr/appleinternal/bin:/Library/Apple/usr/bin:/Library/TeX/texbin:/Applications/Wireshark.app/Contents/MacOS:/Applications/VMware
>> Fusion.app/Contents/Public:/usr/local/go/bin:/Applications/Visual Studio
>> Code.app/Contents/Resources/app/bin:/Users/mike/gn:/Users/mike/go/bin
>>
>> PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/opt/zlib/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/sqlite/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/readline/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/openssl/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/openblas/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/zlib/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/sqlite/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/readline/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/openssl/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/openblas/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/openssl@3
>> /lib/pkgconfig
>> PWD=/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/make
>> PYENV_ROOT=/Users/mike/.pyenv
>> PYENV_SHELL=zsh
>> PYTHONPATH=/Users/mike/sage/sage/local
>> SAGE_ENV_CONFIG_SOURCED=1
>> SAGE_LOCAL=/Users/mike/sage/sage/local
>> SAGE_LOGFILE=logs/install.log
>> SAGE_LOGS=/Users/mike/sage/sage/logs/pkgs
>> SAGE_NUM_THREADS=4
>> SAGE_NUM_THREADS_PARALLEL=4
>>
>> SAGE_ORIG_PATH=/usr/local/opt/polymake/bin:/usr/local/opt/texinfo/bin:/usr/local/opt/bzip2/bin:/usr/local/opt/polymake/bin:/usr/local/opt/texinfo/bin:/usr/local/opt/bzip2/bin:/Users/mike/.pyenv/shims:/usr/local/bin/:/Users/mike/Py3.13.2/pyvenv/bin:/usr/local/opt/openssl@3/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/opt/ccache/libexec:/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.13/bin:/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/bin:/usr/local/bin:/System/Cryptexes/App/usr/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/var/run/com.apple.security.cryptexd/codex.system/bootstrap/usr/local/bin:/var/run/com.apple.security.cryptexd/codex.system/bootstrap/usr/bin:/var/run/com.apple.security.cryptexd/codex.system/bootstrap/usr/appleinternal/bin:/Library/Apple/usr/bin:/Library/TeX/texbin:/Applications/Wireshark.app/Contents/MacOS:/Applications/VMware
>> Fusion.app/Contents/Public:/usr/local/go/bin:/Applications/Visual Studio
>> Code.app/Contents/Resources/app/bin:/Users/mike/gn:/Users/mike/go/bin
>> SAGE_ORIG_PATH_SET=True
>> SAGE_PKGCONFIG=/Users/mike/sage/sage/local/lib/pkgconfig
>> SAGE_ROOT=/Users/mike/sage/sage
>> SAGE_SHARE=/Users/mike/sage/sage/local/share
>> SAGE_SRC=/Users/mike/sage/sage/src
>> SHELL=/bin/zsh
>> SHLVL=5
>> SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.IbtgscA1Gu/Listeners
>> SU2_RUN=/usr/local/bin/
>> TERM=xterm-256color
>> TERM_PROGRAM=Apple_Terminal
>> TERM_PROGRAM_VERSION=455
>> TERM_SESSION_ID=3A754BB4-4919-4FBE-BDC5-909053096A6F
>> TMPDIR=/var/folders/77/vchmhm_92yg2wyqntn6snjjh0000gp/T/
>> USER=mike
>> VIRTUAL_ENV=/Users/mike/Py3.13.2/pyvenv
>> VIRTUAL_ENV_PROMPT=pyvenv
>> XPC_FLAGS=0x0
>> XPC_SERVICE_NAME=0
>> ZEPHYR_TOOLCHAIN_VARIANT=gnuarmemb
>> ZPROFILETEST=was run
>> _=/usr/bin/env
>> __CFBundleIdentifier=com.apple.Terminal
>> __CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING=0x1F6:0x0:0x0
>> ***********************************************
>> make --no-print-directory patch-SAGE_LOCAL-no-deps
>> [patch-2.7.6] Attempting to download package patch-2.7.6.tar.gz from
>> mirrors
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/releases/download/10.6/patch-2.7.6.tar.gz
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> [patch-2.7.6] ERROR [transfer|run:135]: [Errno socket error] [SSL:
>> CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local
>> issuer certificate (_ssl.c:992)
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/releases/download/10.5/patch-2.7.6.tar.gz
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> [patch-2.7.6] ERROR [transfer|run:135]: [Errno socket error] [SSL:
>> CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local
>> issuer certificate (_ssl.c:992)
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/releases/download/10.4/patch-2.7.6.tar.gz
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> [patch-2.7.6] ERROR [transfer|run:135]: [Errno socket error] [SSL:
>> CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local
>> issuer certificate (_ssl.c:992)
>> [patch-2.7.6] Downloading the Sage mirror list
>> [patch-2.7.6] CRITICAL [mirror_list|_refresh:238]: Downloading the mirror
>> list failed, using cached version
>> [patch-2.7.6] Attempting to download from
>> https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/patch/patch-2.7.6.tar.gz
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> [patch-2.7.6] ERROR [transfer|run:135]: [Errno socket error] [SSL:
>> CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local
>> issuer certificate (_ssl.c:992)
>> [patch-2.7.6] Traceback (most recent call last):
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/urllib/request.py",
>> line 1787, in open
>> [patch-2.7.6]     return getattr(self, name)(url)
>> [patch-2.7.6]            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/urllib/request.py",
>> line 1996, in open_https
>> [patch-2.7.6]     return self._open_generic_http(self._https_connection,
>> url, data)
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/urllib/request.py",
>> line 1945, in _open_generic_http
>> [patch-2.7.6]     http_conn.request("GET", selector, headers=headers)
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/http/client.py",
>> line 1282, in request
>> [patch-2.7.6]     self._send_request(method, url, body, headers,
>> encode_chunked)
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/http/client.py",
>> line 1328, in _send_request
>> [patch-2.7.6]     self.endheaders(body, encode_chunked=encode_chunked)
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/http/client.py",
>> line 1277, in endheaders
>> [patch-2.7.6]     self._send_output(message_body,
>> encode_chunked=encode_chunked)
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/http/client.py",
>> line 1037, in _send_output
>> [patch-2.7.6]     self.send(msg)
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/http/client.py",
>> line 975, in send
>> [patch-2.7.6]     self.connect()
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/http/client.py",
>> line 1454, in connect
>> [patch-2.7.6]     self.sock = self._context.wrap_socket(self.sock,
>> [patch-2.7.6]                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/ssl.py",
>> line 517, in wrap_socket
>> [patch-2.7.6]     return self.sslsocket_class._create(
>> [patch-2.7.6]            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/ssl.py",
>> line 1075, in _create
>> [patch-2.7.6]     self.do_handshake()
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/ssl.py",
>> line 1346, in do_handshake
>> [patch-2.7.6]     self._sslobj.do_handshake()
>> [patch-2.7.6] ssl.SSLCertVerificationError: [SSL:
>> CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local
>> issuer certificate (_ssl.c:992)
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> [patch-2.7.6] The above exception was the direct cause of the following
>> exception:
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> [patch-2.7.6] Traceback (most recent call last):
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin/../sage_bootstrap/tarball.py", line 185,
>> in download
>> [patch-2.7.6]     Download(url, destination).run()
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin/../sage_bootstrap/download/transfer.py",
>> line 137, in run
>> [patch-2.7.6]     raise error
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin/../sage_bootstrap/download/transfer.py",
>> line 128, in run
>> [patch-2.7.6]     filename, info = opener.retrieve(
>> [patch-2.7.6]                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/urllib/request.py",
>> line 1821, in retrieve
>> [patch-2.7.6]     fp = self.open(url, data)
>> [patch-2.7.6]          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/urllib/request.py",
>> line 1793, in open
>> [patch-2.7.6]     raise OSError('socket error', msg) from msg
>> [patch-2.7.6] OSError: [Errno socket error] [SSL:
>> CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local
>> issuer certificate (_ssl.c:992)
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> [patch-2.7.6] During handling of the above exception, another exception
>> occurred:
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> [patch-2.7.6] Traceback (most recent call last):
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File "/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin/sage-package", line
>> 40, in <module>
>> [patch-2.7.6]     run()
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin/../sage_bootstrap/cmdline.py", line 538,
>> in run
>> [patch-2.7.6]     app.download_cls(*args.package_class,
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin/../sage_bootstrap/app.py", line 337, in
>> download_cls
>> [patch-2.7.6]     pc.apply(download_with_args)
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin/../sage_bootstrap/expand_class.py", line
>> 126, in apply
>> [patch-2.7.6]     function(package_name, *args, **kwds)
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin/../sage_bootstrap/app.py", line 329, in
>> download_with_args
>> [patch-2.7.6]     self.download(package, allow_upstream=allow_upstream)
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin/../sage_bootstrap/app.py", line 315, in
>> download
>> [patch-2.7.6]     package.tarball.download(allow_upstream=allow_upstream)
>> [patch-2.7.6]   File
>> "/Users/mike/sage/sage/build/bin/../sage_bootstrap/tarball.py", line 187,
>> in download
>> [patch-2.7.6]     raise FileNotMirroredError('tarball does not exist on
>> mirror network and neither at the upstream URL')
>> [patch-2.7.6] sage_bootstrap.tarball.FileNotMirroredError: tarball does
>> not exist on mirror network and neither at the upstream URL
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> ************************************************************************
>> [patch-2.7.6] Error downloading tarball of patch
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> ************************************************************************
>> [patch-2.7.6] Please email sage-devel (
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel)
>> [patch-2.7.6] explaining the problem and including the log files
>> [patch-2.7.6]   /Users/mike/sage/sage/logs/pkgs/patch-2.7.6.log
>> [patch-2.7.6] and
>> [patch-2.7.6]   /Users/mike/sage/sage/config.log
>> [patch-2.7.6] Describe your computer, operating system, etc.
>> [patch-2.7.6]
>> ************************************************************************
>> make[2]: *** [patch-SAGE_LOCAL-no-deps] Error 1
>> make[1]: ***
>> [/Users/mike/sage/sage/local/var/lib/sage/installed/patch-2.7.6] Error 2
>> ***************************************************************
>> Error building Sage.
>>
>> The following package(s) may have failed to build (not necessarily
>> during this run of 'make base-toolchain'):
>>
>> * package:         patch-2.7.6
>>   last build time: Feb 5 23:44
>>   log file:        /Users/mike/sage/sage/logs/pkgs/patch-2.7.6.log
>>
>> It is safe to delete any log files and build directories, but they
>> contain information that is helpful for debugging build problems.
>> WARNING: If you now run 'make' again, the build directory of the
>> same version of the package will, by default, be deleted. Set the
>> environment variable SAGE_KEEP_BUILT_SPKGS=yes to prevent this.
>>
>> make: *** [base-toolchain] Error 1
>> (pyvenv) mike@Mikes-MacBook-Pro-113 sage %
>>
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