Thanks Marc! Following your advice I went to System Settings > Privacy & Security -> Automation and found that SageMath had been denied control over System Events (by me, I assume). Allowing SageMath control over System Events permitted SageMath to use Terminal.app and solved my problem!
I must've gotten spooked by the program asking for control over system events; to my uneducated ears, this sounded like the sort of thing malware would ask for, so I figured I could initially run SageMath without it and then decide later whether I wanted to give SageMath that permission. I didn't realize I'd be disabling use of Terminal within Sage, and I didn't realize that there'd be no obvious way to walk back my choice! Maybe I'm the only person who's ever made this mistake, but if anyone reading this is involved with the wording of the installation guide, I think there should be a paragraph explaining what answers to give the installer, and why, and what to do if you change your mind. On Saturday, January 25, 2025 at 3:09:25 PM UTC-5 Marc Culler wrote: > I found the Settings panel you need to use to restore the ability of > SageMath to control Finder and System Events. > > It is System Settings -> Privacy & Security -> Automation > > On my system it shows that SageMath-10.5 has permission to control Finder, > Terminal and System Events. > > - Marc > > > On Saturday, January 25, 2025 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-6 Marc Culler wrote: > >> By the way, your answers to the privilege questions are certainly not >> stored in a dot-file anywhere and probably not in a file that you can >> access either. Apple has many system databases that store information like >> that. There are commands to access those databases but it is not a matter >> of editing a file. >> >> - Marc >> >> On Saturday, January 25, 2025 at 1:58:27 PM UTC-6 Marc Culler wrote: >> >>> Try going to: System Settings > Privacy & Security -> Files & Folders >>> (or search for Folders) >>> >>> That setting controls app access to special Folders, such as Desktop or >>> Documents. >>> >>> The SageMath app does not request or need Full Disk Access. As far as I >>> know it does not need access to any special folders either. But if you >>> choose to access a special folder, e.g. If you select ~/Documents as the >>> location for notebook files, that might cause the SageMath app to request >>> permission to read Documents. >>> >>> The SageMath app does request access to control Finder and System >>> Events. It needs that because it uses some AppleScript to create a >>> Terminal window with Sage running inside. >>> >>> Anyway, that Settings dialog should show you which apps have been >>> granted access to which folders. Since I have not denied access to any >>> folders for any apps, I am not sure whether it also shows which apps have >>> need denied access, but I think it does. I am also not sure whether that >>> is the place where you can restore the ability to control Finder and System >>> Events. So if those were the privileges that you denied, then more >>> research may be needed. >>> >>> It would be helpful to know which privileges you denied, if you can >>> remember. >>> >>> - Marc >>> >>> On Saturday, January 25, 2025 at 12:50:46 PM UTC-6 dim...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The macOS app is mainly dealt with by Marc Culler - not sure whether >>>> he reads this group, so I put him in CC. >>>> He knows more about these annoying macOS details than other Sage devs, >>>> for sure. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> Dima >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 11:51 AM James Propp <james...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, John. I tried your idea, but SageMath isn't listed as one of >>>> the programs on the list of programs eligible to get full disk access. >>>> > >>>> > On Friday, January 24, 2025 at 6:42:25 PM UTC-5 John H Palmieri >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Maybe approach this from the Mac side? Something to try: install >>>> SageMath, then go to System Settings -> Privacy & Security. From there, >>>> click Full Disk Access, click the + sign at the bottom, and select >>>> SageMath >>>> to give it access. (I'm not 100% sure that "full disk access" is what is >>>> needed, but I think it is.) >>>> >> >>>> >> On Friday, January 24, 2025 at 3:04:55 PM UTC-8 james...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I went to https://github.com/3-manifolds/Sage_macOS/releases , >>>> downloaded SageMath-10.5_x86_64.dmg , and double-clicked on it to start >>>> the >>>> installation. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Friday, January 24, 2025 at 4:50:16 PM UTC-5 dim...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please provide more details on how exactly you installed SageMath, >>>> which installer is this? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24 January 2025 15:06:33 GMT-06:00, James Propp < >>>> james...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> How do I do a *complete* uninstall that (among other things) will >>>> “un-answer” the installation software’s questions about giving various >>>> system-privileges to SageMath? >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> I installed SageMath-10-5 on my MacBook Pro (with a 1.4 GHz >>>> Quad-Core Intel Core i5 processor running Sonoma 14.7) and declined to >>>> give >>>> SageMath any system privileges. I later learned this was a mistake so I >>>> want to go back to square one and get a fresh start. Unfortunately even >>>> when I put the software in the trash, delete .sage, and start the process >>>> over, the installer doesn’t give me a chance to change my earlier answers. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> I tried installing SageMath-10-4 to see if that could "dislodge" >>>> my earlier answers (presumably stored in some dot-file somewhere) but that >>>> didn't help. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Sorry to be asking such a newbie question; I checked the FAQ etc. >>>> but can’t find the help I need. (Feel free to suggest other solutions to >>>> my >>>> problem that don't involve doing an uninstall/re-install.) 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